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Shouting 'Pay Your Taxes', Activists Occupy Apple Stores in France (marketwatch.com)
An anonymous reader quotes MarketWatch:
A group of global activists stormed and occupied several Apple Stores in France on Saturday in a move aimed at pressuring the company to pay up on a €13 billion ($15.5 billion) tax bill to the European Union. In a press release, the France unit of the Association for the Taxation of Financial Transactions and Citizen's Action organization (Attac), said 100 of its members occupied the Opera Apple Store in Paris, demanding the company pay its taxes... Attac said dozens of protests were organized at other Apple store locations throughout France on Saturday. In the Paris store, activists were seen via videos circulating on Twitter, pushing past security and hanging a banner that said "We will stop when Apple pays." Security in Paris reportedly evacuated Apple workers from the building as those protests began.
After three hours they left the store -- leaving behind protest messages on the iPads on display. The group claims that Apple has stashed $230 billion in tax havens around the world, but also hopes to raise awareness about other issues.
"Attac said the action was part of the #PhoneRevolt movement aimed at highlighting unfair practices by Apple, that are not just about taxes, but also pollution via extraction of metals for its phones, worker exploitation and driving a global consumption binge."
After three hours they left the store -- leaving behind protest messages on the iPads on display. The group claims that Apple has stashed $230 billion in tax havens around the world, but also hopes to raise awareness about other issues.
"Attac said the action was part of the #PhoneRevolt movement aimed at highlighting unfair practices by Apple, that are not just about taxes, but also pollution via extraction of metals for its phones, worker exploitation and driving a global consumption binge."
Giant corporations don't pay taxes, they evade them. Then they hoard more money by using $2/hr Chinese labor which is illegal anywhere else but okay since it is across a line on a map and in China. Then they buy out their competition and use frivolous IP lawsuits to limit new competition. There, now you know everything you need to know in order to become a member of the Corporatist movement and control your elected official using money.
... went to the nearby Starbucks to Twitter about their "action", and posting their selfies on Instagram and Facebook using their iPhones.
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Yes, it is much better to always accept things as they are and never complain.
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Your first assumption is that you can weight these things against each other, and your second assumption is that this must be done. Why? The only place where boiling ethics down to a boolean is effective is in Hollywood movies.
Oh, I wasn't under the impression that Apple uses their own private road network in the EU, but I am clearly mistaken.
And plenty in taxes are paid. So this is nothing but statist slaver bullshit.
they have to play by the rules. They are not.
That's a goddamned lie. If anything, they're paying too damned much. They should be far more proactive in minimizing their tax payments, the way that GE does.
Apple has a duty to their shareholders (like me) to keep as much of our money out of government's greedy hands as possible.
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The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
Yes, it is much better to always accept things as they are and never complain.
There is a middle ground: They could educate themselves, and then direct their outrage more constructively. For instance, if the French don't like their tax laws, perhaps they should complain to their politicians rather than to a company that is behaving legally.
Note that I'm French.
If your sentiment that the reason for the protests were that french people desire companies to pay their taxes were true, they would have been protesting in Total gas stations. The problem is that Total, (who owes more money in taxes to the French Government) Is French so it wouldn't be popular. Muuch better to target that foreign Apple company...
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Since Apple's corporate headquarters is in the U.S., we get the money first.
Why would you get the money? Apple isn't the subject of a US court battle about the US not collecting taxes from Apple properly. Apple pays as much taxes in the USA as is required by law, unlike in the EU where it was found their tax agreement with Ireland was illegal.
Complaining to their politicians would never have made the front page of international newspapers to raise awareness about the issues surrounding the current tax laws.
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Well, the US is about to ruin the internet for everyone and then there's the whole continuous wars thing. Maybe EU taxes aren't so bad by comparison.
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Apple's headquarters are in the US but it also has branches in the EU, and these branches depend on the laws of the country they are in.
So when Apple Ireland makes a sale in the EU, it has to pay taxes to Ireland, like any Irish company. And Apple France has to pay taxes in France. That the headquarters are in the US doesn't matter. And it's a good thing, otherwise, the headquarters would have been quickly relocated to a tax heaven.
Complaining to their politicians would never have made the front page of international newspapers to raise awareness about the issues surrounding the current tax laws.
There is already plenty of awareness. I have seen dozens of front page articles about Apple's tax dispute with the EU.
But awareness is not enough. It is important to take action, and to direct that action appropriately. A good example is the reaction on both the left and the right to America's financial bailout. The left reacted with "Occupy Wall Street", which focused on street protests against the companies that received the bailout. The right reacted with the "Tea Party" and focused on electoral politics, endorsing candidates that met their approval, and promoting challengers to those that did not.
OWS never articulated any clear objectives, has now faded away, and is mostly forgotten.
The Tea Party, meanwhile, has taken over the Republican Party and is now running the country.
Lesson learned: Proper focus makes a difference.
I'd prefer it if they weren't hypocritically targeting foreign companies. The taxes that Total is avoiding paying are higher than those for Apple. Potholes don't care who paid the taxes to fix them.
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Actually, EU corporate taxes are generally lower than US corporate taxes. That's why US corporations keep their money overseas.
European tax systems tend to me more fair: the European middle class, which receives most of the benefits from taxation, pays considerably higher taxes than the US middle class; that is, they pay what they use and balance their budgets.
The US middle class still deludes itself into believing that they can continue to get free stuff by taxing the wealthy and running up a massive debt.
I mean, protesters got the 40 hour work week, ended segregation in the US and South Africa, and a lot of other benefits. That's not nothing.
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VAT is not a "tax of taxes." That is just silliness.
And anyways, who cares? "Your honor, I did steal that money, but last week I gave a smaller amount of money to a charity. That makes it OK." "*Bang!*Bang* Maximum sentence!"
If only MLK and his followers would stop their boycotts and protests and informed themselves of the political process they'd get so much more.
MLK's boycotts and protests always had clear and specific objectives. Integrate the buses in Montgomery. Raise the wages of garbagemen in Memphis. Etc. There was always a clear point where he could declare victory, and move on to the next objective.
He was also very skilled at working with politicians, especially Lyndon Johnson.
Contrast MLK with OWS or BLM, neither of which has any clear objectives or accomplishments.
EU countries impose massive tax burdens relative to the rest of the world. Excessive taxation, especially for how EU countries spend the money, is unjust. Refusing to pay unfair and excessive taxes is a moral position. Apple should continue to not pay the taxes, and they are completely justified in that position.
We get a good universal healthcare system, good welfare state, good education system and decent infrastructure for our money. You may think we're taxed to death but the tax burden per capita in the UK for the NHS is the same as the tax burden per capita of Medicare/Medicaid is for the US yet we get a healthcare system where it is free to use for all. We also get things provided for free that are an additional cost in the USA. We don't pay a separate charge through our local taxes for the fire department for example.
I'd rather keep paying the taxes and have what we have than not do and end up living in a first world country where highway bridges are collapsing and people go bankrupt because they get ill.
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If companies are not obliged to have a moral, why do protesters do? Why can a company do whatever it wants while individuals are always judged morally. I think that the reason why these protesters are acting the way they are is because they are fighting fire with fire. Maybe their mistake is that their fire is not hot enough.
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"AppleÃ(TM)s Irish tax arrangements have allowed it to pay tax at a rate of 3.8 percent on $200 billion of overseas profits"
From this article.
So that is 7.6 *billion* dollars in taxes that Apple has paid to the EU in taxes.
Or to put it another way, it's at least 50 *billion* that Apple dodged paying to the EU in taxes.
The corporation tax rate in France is 33%. It varies around Europe but 25-30% is typical.
Again, just for Apple having a store located in that country or city.
No. It includes everything they sell on iTunes to French citizens. It includes all the paid services they offer to French customers like repairs, battery replacements and cloud storage. It includes all the business services they offer in France like Siri integration. This stuff is so significant that Apple set up a French subsidiary to manage it all, and also to dodge paying tax on it.
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You would be suprised to learn that France is one of the very few countries in the world with a truly independent computer platform development. Their national architecture split from the earliest generation of IBM360 in the 1960s and the BULL company developed it further independently. French electronic industry however is not cost-competitive in the post-Cold War world, so their architecture is only used in military and nuclear industrial applications nowadays.
For example, the french Dassault Rafale fighter jet has the world's most advanced electronic warfare computer system called SPECTRE. It is able to receive and analyze enemy radar signals in REAL-TIME and uses a specialized mini-supercomputer Fourier core to generate "counter-phase" signals onboard, which are then fed to gallium-based power modules and emitted back towards the enemy radar, so the factual and faux radar returns cancel each other out completely and Evil Regime (TM) sees nothing. That's one huge tour-de-force in hightech, which neither Russia, Japan or USA can imitate currently.
In essence the Rafale jet is both aerodynamic and stealthly at the same time, without the need to use cumbersome geometric stealth shapes in US fashion (remember how ungainly the F-117 looks) or the need for any exotic, high-maintenance and very poisonous paint materials on the fuselage surfaces to supress radar return. (In comparison the F-22 Raptor needs partial repainting every time it flies through rain or wet bulb clouds.) That enables frenchies to operate the Rafale on their aircraft carrier, while USA is currently unable to meet the heavy maintenance requirements of stealth planes onboard its CVNs.
That's the power of (admittedly low-visibility) french computing technology.
Your comment was tagged as insightfull, but i'd rather say it's naive, and actually not insightfull at all...
It's not a problem of French tax law, it's not even a problem of EU tax law, it's a problem of Ireland playing the "tax paradise" card, offering low tax harbor for enterprise like Apple, which can then deliver freely in Europe (due to tax free market inside all European Union).
Things are changing though and UE is starting to show its muscles to Ireland.
Beside all that, these events are mainly targeted to shame firms that do unfair tax "optimization", which is (right now) not legally punished, but still morally dist
So your argument is that Apple should pay a lower tax rate
Nope.
The original post I responded to said Apple paid "No Taxes" in the EU. Is 7.6 billion dollars greater than, or equal to zero?
Out of interest, which political wing do you identify with?
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Serious question: How will the poor do that if they've already been processed into a useful industrial slurry?
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