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R.I.P., Cape Wind (bostonglobe.com)
schwit1 quotes the Boston Globe: What a long, slow death it has been for Massachusetts's first proposed offshore wind farm. But now, its proponents are finally pulling the plug. While others in the energy industry considered the Cape Wind project dead, developer Jim Gordon didn't quit after losing power contracts he needed for financing in early 2015, or after state regulators yanked permission for a power line connection last year.
Another big blow came later in 2016 when Cape Wind foes worked their magic on Beacon Hill. They successfully lobbied lawmakers to prevent Cape Wind from benefitting from a major energy bill, one that requires utilities to buy large amounts of offshore wind. This was exactly the kind of legislation Gordon needed. But he wasn't being allowed at the party...
We're embarking on a new era. Wind turbines are on their way for deeper waters, south of Martha's Vineyard. They won't be Gordon's. But at least he can take some credit, in his defeat, for being a pioneer.
Another big blow came later in 2016 when Cape Wind foes worked their magic on Beacon Hill. They successfully lobbied lawmakers to prevent Cape Wind from benefitting from a major energy bill, one that requires utilities to buy large amounts of offshore wind. This was exactly the kind of legislation Gordon needed. But he wasn't being allowed at the party...
We're embarking on a new era. Wind turbines are on their way for deeper waters, south of Martha's Vineyard. They won't be Gordon's. But at least he can take some credit, in his defeat, for being a pioneer.
Fine. Let's give them a coal-fired plant as an alternative.
...that Jim Gordon was a wind power pioneer in addition to being the commissioner of the Gotham PD
The summary ignores the fact that the anti-wind forces were the super wealthy Dems in Martha's Vineyard who didn't want their views altered.
They're all in favor of renewables as long as someone else (you) has to deal with the negatives while they get all the benefits.
Imagine my surprise that they don't want this whirly stuff in their backyard. You know the Kennedys fought this hard, until the lion of the Senate died..
This is the lesson one can walk away with from this whole story.
Seems a pretty corrupt place.
You are basically saying that we are ignoring the Constitution... And I agree with you. Government needs to be as unobtrusive in our lives and businesses as possible, yet we've made it into the one organization that controls everything imaginable. Our constitution was not written to do this, quite the opposite. We may no longer have a king to pay tribute to, but what we now have is far worse, a government run on regulations written by unaccountable bureaucrats that demands ever more tribute (taxes) be paid.
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
I think wind turbines are beautiful machines.Highly engineered and efficient devices that (mostly) silently turn 24/7 generating power and displacing carbon producing sources contributing to human flourishing. They are a statement that says intelligent creatures live here.
The problem is, you're giving the people the coal fired plant, when it was the politicians that screwed the people in the first place.
It's heartbreaking to watch the deep corruption in politics hold society back while doing direct harm to the citizens with their "wars" on informed personal and consensual choice and their blatant corporate fluffing.
But as long as the voters remain largely poorly educated and gullible, it's going to continue to be corrupt politicians all the way down. Sadly, the people are unable to make the connection between their voting habits and their problems. Not unwilling; unable.
And guess who controls the people's education?
Right.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
Remove the unwieldy constraints of oversight from these poor businesses, you say?
Couple examples where less oversight didn't pan out:
1)Appalachia with the coal mines.
2)Wall Street with Glass-Steagall.
3)Nearly every child or proft-minded company with almost any activity.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
Ernest Hemingway
Someone who finds a new way to make money and gets to watch others do just that.
I'm a consultant - I convert gibberish into cash-flow.
Besides how it would look visually which for some people was big issue, another large problem was the fact that maintenance would have been very costly and difficult, and the cost of energy even though cheaper to produce was announced that everyone would be charged more for energy than what they currently are. These are the key reasons why so many in the area have been against this project.
When business becomes over intrusive into our lives, who else can you turn to but the government? When business says it's more profitable to lock it's workers into a warehouse with poor ventilation and no fire safety equipment (that costs $$!), who else can you turn to but the government? When business feels they can sell you a product that they know will either kill you or it does nothing at all, and feels it's your problem for buying it, who else can you turn to but government?
Government is what it is because it's been cleaning up Capitalism's messes since we started this country.
The reoccurring cause is the whole NIMBY, because the rich didn't want their view ruined. You all do understand this isn't the view from shore they are complaining about being ruined. In nearly all the cases the wind turbines wouldn't be visible from land.
The view they are talking about being ruined is the view from their fishing boats, sail boats, and yachts 20 miles off shore.
I regularly poo poo on all things tree huggerish, but as an engineer I love wind turbines. There is enough potential wind power just off shore in the US to install 4 times the current power requirements.
Throw in Geo, Solar, and a bunch of base loading produced by coal/natural gas, nuclear, and if Elon can get them to work battery's, and basically we have enough power capacity to fulfill demand for the next several hundred years for all sectors of the economy including transportation, without ever having to import another drop of oil from overseas again.
Cunt Trump lies and has said we will not let North Korea have nukes. North Korea has nukes. Cunt Trump is a liar.
When business becomes over intrusive into our lives, who else can you turn to but the government? When business says it's more profitable to lock it's workers into a warehouse with poor ventilation and no fire safety equipment (that costs $$!), who else can you turn to but the government? When business feels they can sell you a product that they know will either kill you or it does nothing at all, and feels it's your problem for buying it, who else can you turn to but government?
Government is what it is because it's been cleaning up Capitalism's messes since we started this country.
For democracy to flourish the people need to make good choices. This is not easy these days. Many good men and women won't touch politics because of how corrosive it is. Many good people can't be bothered to find out the actual truth, but instead fall into these well, false religions, is the best term I can think of.
Can you think of a better term to explain people who say tax cuts will fix everything, you just have to use magic dynamic scoring and it will prove it, then they get the dubious score and it says bullshit, but they ignore it and do it anyway? There are many examples like this where you have a group of people believing crap that just isn't true and is in fact easily disprovable.
As long as people are willing to be fed an IV of mostly bullshit from organizations and web sites like fox news, info wars, hannity, and all the rest, we are pretty much screwed as a country. Our only real defense is reality. We almost end up having to wait until their crap causes enough actual damage and hope it is not too late to fix.
Investing in wind and such makes sense, since we have to get off the fossil fuels if we don't want to kill our planet, but instead of confronting that reality we instead are told it is all lies and a cooked up story by the Chinese.
Hell, right now that child molester in Alabama is probably going to win, because the majority of voters in that state believe for a child molester to lead than a Democrat. This is insane. Even people who try to keep up find it difficult because their is so much noise, much of it created by our own very president to deflect from his incompetence and failure.
Here's how you deal with an errant business: You do business with a competitor, even if there are drawbacks; or, you band together wither other people who have an entrepreneurial spirit to start an alternative.
Evolution by variation (supplier competition) and selection (consumer choice).
We don't need no stinkin' Dear Leader; we don't need no stinkin' Intelligent Designer—in fact, no such thing exists.
"Windmills for thee, but not for me."
After all, we Kennedys are big liberal leftists. We don't have to drink our own medicine, it's enough to force others, the little people, to drink it for us.
The above is 100% verifiably true.
If you were at risk from dying by being locked in a warehouse you should, through the magic of capitalism, instantaneously acquire another job at another warehouse which, of course, will be totally safe.
The problem is that -this- project isn't cost effective. The electricity purchase deal was going to substantially raise the cost of electricity for everyone in the service area. While on-shore wind power is one of the most cost-effective sources, off-shore wind power is one of the most expensive!
The hope of sufficiently developing off-shore wind is that prices will come down like with on-shore wind. However, to what extent is unknown, particularly with the size of capital investments resulting in fewer players in the market.
Reference for cost of electricity by energy source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source#United_States
Block Island Wind Farm: 24.4/kWh
Cape Wind: 18.7/kWh
Keep in mind, these are wholesale rates, which exclude the costs+profits of local utilities.
So, the only way this would really work is if everyone were required by law to use the product of this company?
Hey, I bet I could make a lot of money making baseball base markers, if everyone in the country were required by law to buy three of them every year!
Slightly more seriously, I don't consider something a good investment if it requires a law making everyone an involuntary customer...
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
You should be awesome like cayenne8. Then you can be a government contractor and decide your own working conditions.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
You know, the rich Democrats who had this project shot down repeatedly really care about global warming. I mean, you wouldn't want these ugly towers to ruin their views while they're on their yacht or flying their private plane. It's understandable.
Do you have ESP?
That murdering drunkard couldn't even see the turbines from his property, he just didn't want them out there he wanted to sail his yacht.
You sound bitter, sweet tits.
-CDReimer(AC because mods)
I think they are impressive also.
But from the last great push to do wind farms a few daces ago, there are a lot of fields of rusting hulks (like in CA or the souther tip of Hawaii) - the new ones are destined to that same fate I think. They do not look so great, except in a cool distressed kind of vibe that ignores the reality of the harm to the local environment taking place.
And there is the simple fact that yes, wind farms do kill birds, and a lot of them. Birds are just not able to cope with something that moves as fast as the average windmill in a good wind.
To me wind farms. at least from windmills were always the absolute worst of alternative energy ideas. Something with moving parts is I think an inherently bad idea, compared with solar especially.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I wonder if the corruption was ever this bad...in Massachusetts, one of the most favorable political climates for a project like this, money wins out. I know political corruption has existed forever, but it seems like you can't get anything done unless you have enough money to pay for a lobbyist. If everything normal people want grinds to a halt, they're eventually going to get fed up.
The thing that sucks is that most good people avoid politics because they see what a dirty business it is. Even in the large companies I've worked at, politics rules every decision regardless of merit of the apolitical folks' opinion. The problem is that it's a very "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" kind of game and enough good people have to cycle in once in a while.
That also makes me wonder 2 things...when an idealistic new Congressman or state representative comes in, when does the corruption begin? And how exactly do lobbyists pay their targets? I imagine journalists are scrutinizing their every moves to see if any bags of money are changing hands.
You're agreeing with a Russian troll, dummy.
Government needs to be as unobtrusive in our lives and businesses as possible, yet we've made it into the one organization that controls everything imaginable.
What in the fuck are you talking about, exactly?
I don't respond to AC's.
Any turbine could be a safe place to swim to if you were a woman thrown out of his yacht.
R.I.P. Cape Fear
Not sure where you got those numbers for Block Island and Cape Wind because they are not in the Wikipedia page but that page does show the cost of onshore wind to be $24 to $60 MWh ($0.03 to $0.06 per kWh) with offshore wind being about twice as expensive.
(For comparison, coal $100, natural gas $60, nuclear $95, solar PV $58. All of these are minimum costs.)
Costs are dropping rapidly for wind and solar so the original plans are out of date.
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
Put some eagle sounds on stupid windmill to scare stupid birds ....
You all raise hell about the dangers of monopolies, but what is "government" other than a monopoly?!
Indeed, "government" is worse that a market monopoly! The "government" is a monopoly that arose not through voluntary trade by providing a productive service, but rather "government" is a monopoly that arose through violent imposition by the barrel of a gun.
Executive: Pack up. We're leaving. We only have a thousand dollars anyway.
Mayor Quimby: There's a thousand dollar leaving-town tax!
Hell, right now that child molester in Alabama is probably going to win, because the majority of voters in that state believe for a child molester to lead than a Democrat.
That would be a Democrat that is in favor of the right to an abortion among a population that sees abortion as murder. This in a state where at the time and place these accused acts of child molestation occurred the age of consent was 14 years of age. It's not "child molestation" if the person is considered old enough to consent.
This is insane.
Yes, it is. It's also politics. You go to war with the army you have. If what you have is the choice between the accused child molester and the known baby killer then people seem to rather go with the accused child molester. One of these two will (barring some unforeseen event) win this election.
This is not right. It's far from perfect. It's also what we got.
We also see Democrats running to defend the acts of sexual abuse by their own. This is documented by pictures, the accused does not deny the charges, because he can't, we have all seen the pictures. If the Democrats had any consistency in their demands for the concerns of women being sexually abused then Al Franken would not be in office right now. That's just one of many Democrats that should be run out of town over sexual abuse charges.
I am armed because I am free. I am free because I am armed.
Free to keep paying Hydro Quebec if you want heat or a/c ir lights!
The problem is that -this- project isn't cost effective. The electricity purchase deal was going to substantially raise the cost of electricity for everyone...
Our assumption here is and should be that you are an intern at a lobbying firm.
So do away with property rights, which are also a function of government. The trouble is you only want a government which enforces arbitrary rules picked by you.
Is it me or is something missing from this post? Can you clarify your point please?
Why would you be locked in a warehouse if you didn't want to be?
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
That would be a Democrat that is in favor of the right to an abortion among a population that sees abortion as murder. This in a state where at the time and place these accused acts of child molestation occurred the age of consent was 14 years of age. It's not "child molestation" if the person is considered old enough to consent.
It's not child molestation if it was technically legal at the time? Seriously, that is your defense? That is our standard for politicians? A senator is not going to change the supreme court decision regardless.
As to the abortion thing. Abortions tend to decrease under democratic administrations. In fact, under Obama I think it was an all time low. No one wants to see abortions, but the same people who vote only on the abortion card are fine with destroying the Obamacare provision that required contraceptive coverage. My own opinion on abortion is any decision as to their legality should probably be decided by women, or if not that then at least 50% women, which yes means getting more women supreme court judges and judges at all levels. They are 50+ percent of the population.
The same people who find destroying the Obamacare mandate a good thing, despite all the negative consequences, say nothing about forcing hospitals to treat emergency cases on their nickel and passing along all those costs.
Either remove the requirement for hospitals to treat if the uninsured if they are particularly sick or require everyone to have insurance. I favor the later, and find it the only reasonable solution.
If you want to ban abortion with a constitutional amendment, save in cases of rape, then that same amendment better include free contraceptives/surgery/etc for all.
In short no decision can be made in isolation without consideration of the consequences. As far the Al Franken thing. Yea I'm dissapointed. I find he is a good senator, but clearly has made some less than stellar choices. Part of that might be him stupidly acting one of his characters at the wrong time, but it doesn't excuse it. Either way, voters should consider all facts the next time his term comes along. Personally I think he should announce he will not run again, at minimum. The two cases, are however, not the same. Al's cases didn't involve 14 year olds, and they weren't of the same scope or magnitude. He also seems to genuinely regret his actions, unlike Mr. Moore who continues to deny everything similar to how Mr. Trump handled a similar situation, and look how voting for him turned out.
It was cooked up by Margaret Thatcher and her cronies, actually, trying to end the coal miner strikes in England by encouraging everyone to go nuclear (at the time). She was one of the driving forces behind the formation of the IPCC - the International Punishment of Coal Coalition.
Wind power works as does wave power and currents as power sources. And the financial calculations are 100% nonsense. For example, you may have four wind towers in a square pattern. Why not run netting around them and establish a fish farm which could provide quite a bit of money as well as the power generated by the wind? On land, one might provide walls and a roof to raise mushrooms, chickens or other profitable products. Just because one has wind mills or solar panels on a property does not mean that other businesses can not exist on the same lot. In the cities there have even been chicken ranches in high rise buildings such that the chickens and eggs are raised on various floors, slaughtered and processed and sold on the ground floor. Such a building could also support wind or solar equipment. The cost of producing wind or solar energy is not a simple calculation at all.
When business becomes over intrusive into our lives, who else can you turn to but the government? When business says it's more profitable to lock it's workers into a warehouse with poor ventilation and no fire safety equipment (that costs $$!), who else can you turn to but the government? When business feels they can sell you a product that they know will either kill you or it does nothing at all, and feels it's your problem for buying it, who else can you turn to but government?
Government is what it is because it's been cleaning up Capitalism's messes since we started this country.
Oh yea, you DIDN'T read what I said now did you, you heard what you wanted to make your argument... The straw man that it is.
Look, I said government should be as unobtrusive as possible, I DIDN'T say non-existent. There are problems for which government is the ONLY tool, but I'm trying to point out that if the problem is a screw, then government is a sledge hammer. You can insert a screw with a sledge hammer, but the results are not pretty.
The tool we call government is a blunt instrument yet we insist on trying to solve surgical problems with it. It's like trying to replace a surface mount IC using a 100W trigger Weller iron. Sure, in theory it should work, but in practice you are going to destroy 99.9% of the circuit cards you try it on.
Government is a solution that should be your LAST resort because it's horribly ineffective and inefficient at nearly everything it does. We've made it our first solution for nearly everything now, and are paying the price in taxes and freedom while getting inferior service.
So if you think having laws to prevent a warehouse full of people from going up in flames actually work, I have a number of recent examples of this not being true, in the USA even. Sure they may help, but might there be other options that are as effective but don't cost tax money? I think there may be, but we already have "fixed" that one with a government program, and people keep dying in similar ways....
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
I would appear that 16 was the age of consent in 1979 when the act supposedly took place. reference
Nullius in verba
A "Russian Troll" that is saying "let the market handle where and how those resources should be managed" ?
LOL, well if the Russians have come over to capitalistic principles from communism, I guess we have come full circle, because the USA has been walking away from capitalism for decades.
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
If windmills are so great and changing the view is no problem, then why not put them on the ridges of the Grand Canyon and also all along the Mall in Washington DC?
Cats kill 3.7 Billion a year... that is with a B. You were saying?
https://www.usatoday.com/story...
Capitalism is locking exploited workers in shanty, deathtrap warehouses by their own choice.
That's not allowed!
Only the Dear Leader should be able to choose how workers are exploited!
Citations? Those numbers look like mixing wholesale and retail prices.
They're implying that there are Not always other jobs to be had for workers, so getting stuck in a dangerous factory job being overseen by a callous boss is in fact a very real situation for millions of people.
Sure, the protection of property rights can be implemented by a violently imposed monopoly (e.g., a "government"). However, there's no reason why providers of this service shouldn't also compete in the market.
The best separation of powers is competition within a market. Even if one service providers rises above all others to become a monopoly, it would still be better than a government, because that market monopoly will have arisen through voluntary trade rather than through violent imposition. At best, your "government" is the failure mode of freedom.
Trade is made voluntary by contracts in advance of interaction, and the negotiation/enforcement of contracts is an iterative process; there is profit in agreement, and so there is an incentive to come to terms rather than wage war. Consider that there has never been One World Government.
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... :
In 2009, the State of Rhode Island designated Deepwater Wind to begin with pilot projects.[15][16] In that year Deepwater signed an agreement with National Grid to sell the power from the wind farm off Block Island, at an initial price of 24.4(cents)/kWh.[17]
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... :
On November 22, 2010, a 15-year Power Purchase Agreement between Cape Wind and National Grid was signed for 50% of the electricity, at a price of 18.7(cents)/kWh,[39] adding $1.50 a month to the electricity bill of an average home.[40]
Minimum costs are rarely realized.
What the hell are you talking about? The photographs clearly show Franken not touching the reporter. Trying to claim it is a photo of molestation is phenomenally stupid given that we have all seen it.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
There's this thing called "History", you may have heard of it? Read up on things like the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire, or perhaps investigate company towns, or just look up workplace abuse.
Do those price estimates factor in the cost of having metric buttloads of fossil fuel powered generators sitting around waiting for when the wind stops blowing?
So if you think having laws to prevent a warehouse full of people from going up in flames actually work, I have a number of recent examples of this not being true, in the USA even.
You get out of Government what you put into it, and frankly, in this country, we stopped putting in about 20 years ago. Listen to yourself, you automatically assume the worst return from it so you don't even bother looking for better from it. Why should we be surprised if inspections don't get performed on businesses if you've cut your tax base to the bone? We could transition from taxes to straight fees and I guarantee you that corporations will complain about them, while simultaneously taking advantage of every subsidy and break to ensure they have a zero burden, just like they currently do. If anyone gets pinched by unfair taxes it's the middle class, who've had to pick up the slack from all the Apple's and Exxon's who avoid their commitments. The amazing thing is all conservatives can chant is LOWER TAXES and not PROSECUTE THE CHEATS.
Corporations SHOULD pay more in taxes, they are a bigger burden on society. They can wipe out the savings of millions overnight, they can send out dangerous products, they need military intervention to protect their supply lines and they drop their used up workers onto the social safety net for everyone else to carry the burden. They destroy the environment, poison our food supplies even as they bring us the products we want.
Also, we live in a nation of 50 individual governments with thousands of governments under them.. some are just gonna be better than others. Maybe they'd improve if people gave a damn and voted on performance rather than who's sleeping with whom and where or if you pray.
Those costs are almost ten years old. Wind is much cheaper now.
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
Those are all PPAs (power purchase agreements... wholesale).
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
It's not child molestation if it was technically legal at the time? Seriously, that is your defense?
No, but it's A defense.
That is our standard for politicians?
If the standard is "broke the law" then we have photo evidence of Al Franken groping a woman as she slept vs. a "he said/she said" accusation of some creepy but likely legal behavior by Moore. If the standard is "abused women" or "abused employees" then we could probably clear out half of the Senate.
A senator is not going to change the supreme court decision regardless.
Senators must provide consent for any SCOTUS appointment. It can sometime take just one vote, such as that from Al Franken, to get appointments and laws. If the makeup of the Senate changes because Franken gets tossed then we might see things change in the courts. SCOTUS has changed its mind on rulings before, it can do so again. Likewise for John McCain and his health issues, his leaving can shift the balance of appointment to federal court seats and therefore future decisions from those courts.
Even if we limit this to the debate on abortion there's many aspects on this that the Senate can decide. Things like federal funds for Planned Parenthood, rules on medical insurance coverage for abortions, rules on when an abortion can be performed in federal and military hospitals, and more.
Bringing this back to the debate on wind energy we have Republicans that are lukewarm on wind and Democrats that think that they can't spend enough on wind power. A quick Google search tells me that Republicans have an "all the above" energy plan, which means coal and nuclear as much as wind. Republicans will subsidize wind power but the focus is on production and not capacity, meaning that if you want government money then those windmills need to be spinning. Democrats will claim to have an "all the above" energy plan but will do everything they can to stop natural gas and nuclear, even though those are shown to be just as effective in reducing CO2 as wind and solar. Democrats will subsidize wind power but they subsidize capacity rather than production, so people build windmills in places they know are far from optimal to cash in. The focus is then on short term building at the lowest cost rather than long term viability of wind mill energy production.
We also have Democrats that claim nuclear power is too expensive and so want to refuse licenses to build while subsidizing the building of far more expensive offshore windmills. Well, no shit nuclear is expensive. If licenses are impossible to obtain then the price is effectively infinite. If the Democrats toss money at wind projects that may not even prove profitable in the long term then wind looks real cheap on the short term, since much of the expense in both wind and nuclear is the capital in building the capacity, not in the operational costs in producing energy.
One more thing...
unlike Mr. Moore who continues to deny everything
You mean, almost as if he's innocent? If the guy didn't do what he's accused of doing then what do you expect him to say? It's hard to prove that someone didn't do something. I haven't followed this much so I only know the bits and pieces I get when listening to the news on the radio. It sounds like the cases are on very shaky ground, based on possibly forged signatures at best to place him where people claim he was.
I am armed because I am free. I am free because I am armed.
Do you have a source? I'm very interested in seeing current pricing.
I am armed because I am free. I am free because I am armed.
No, but it's A defense.
No, it's not. Check the laws again.
If the standard is "broke the law" then we have photo evidence of Al Franken groping a woman as she slept vs. a "he said/she said" accusation of some creepy but likely legal behavior by Moore.
Nope. Check again. I bet you didn't even look at the photo. Though if you're going to outlaw taking pictures of people as they sleep, I suggest you prepare to arrest every fratboy in the country.
Of course, we're just waiting for the day when Roy Moore, like DesJarlais, Murhphy, or Sanford, is caught having urged someone to get an abortion...after having an affair with them.
If the standard is "abused women" or "abused employees" then we could probably clear out half of the Senate.
Only half? Please get rid of them all, for any reason at all. But I digress.
Bringing this back to the debate on wind energy we have Republicans that are lukewarm on wind and Democrats that think that they can't spend enough on wind power.
Actually, Republicans blow nothing but hot air on Wind, and Democrats aren't willing to commit enough. They're very tepid, you know.
A quick Google search tells me that Republicans have an "all the above" energy plan, which means coal and nuclear as much as wind.
So you're both wrong, and somehow not realizing how stupid that kind of plan would be. Huh.
Republicans will subsidize wind power but the focus is on production and not capacity, meaning that if you want government money then those windmills need to be spinning.
LOL, Republicans and accountability? What are you smoking? The coal out of their mines?
Democrats will claim to have an "all the above" energy plan but will do everything they can to stop natural gas and nuclear, even though those are shown to be just as effective in reducing CO2 as wind and solar. Democrats will subsidize wind power but they subsidize capacity rather than production, so people build windmills in places they know are far from optimal to cash in. The focus is then on short term building at the lowest cost rather than long term viability of wind mill energy production.
Man, the fairy tales you tell yourself to justify ignoring reality. Republicans are the ones who dump money onto their precious insiders, as shown with their Cash for Clunkers, their Auto and Mortgage bailouts, and even the recent Puerto Rico power contract. Meanwhile, actual attempts to hold anybody accountable, well, that's something the GOP can't stand, which is why they refused to prosecute Enron, Wells Fargo, or VW.
We also have Democrats that claim nuclear power is too expensive and so want to refuse licenses to build while subsidizing the building of far more expensive offshore windmills. Well, no shit nuclear is expensive.
But don't worry, we just need to hand them another 10 billion, and this time for sure....
Sorry, but no matter how much you blame Democrats, in your incessant Partisan hysteria, Bush's Nuclear bailout was a near complete and utter failure, with the ONLY SINGLE reactor to come on-line being old construction from the 1980s.
And a Federal agency that Reagan desperately wanted to kill.
If the Democrats toss money at wind projects that may not even prove profitable in the long term then wind looks real cheap on the short term, since much of the expense in both wind and nuclear is the capital in building the capacity, not in the operational costs in producing energy.
The billions thrown at the wasted plants in South Carolina and Georgia could have bought enough functional wind and solar power to actually do some good for those states. Instead? They get pretty concrete holes in the ground. Yay for Bush!
Senators must provide conse
My source for this was the Wikipedia article referenced by the OP.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
Not sure where you got those numbers for Block Island and Cape Wind because they are not in the Wikipedia page but that page does show the cost of onshore wind to be $24 to $60 MWh ($0.03 to $0.06 per kWh) with offshore wind being about twice as expensive.
(For comparison, coal $100, natural gas $60, nuclear $95, solar PV $58. All of these are minimum costs.)
Costs are dropping rapidly for wind and solar so the original plans are out of date.
Those costs depend on the location. Coal is in the range of $40-$70 in most places, depending on if the mine is nearby or not.
Your cost for nuclear and natural gas are also inflated.
The LMP map for the MISO region shows prices (at the moment) between $0 and $40, but it is 8PM on a fall/winter evening. If your prices were correct, none of those energy sources would "clear the market" (win the bid), but the lights are on so we know that is not the case.
Republicans are the ones who dump money onto their precious insiders, as shown with their Cash for Clunkers
You need to put down the crack pipe before you post.
I checked the Senate votes on that Cash for Clunkers bill. There were 4 Republicans that voted for it, and 2 independents, and... wait for it... 54 Democrats. Votes against the bill were 1 Democrat and 35 Republicans.
If the Cash for Clunkers bill was just a bailout for the auto industry, to buy votes in the next election, then we can put all of that on the Democrats. Especially since Obama signed it, and the House had a Democrat majority at the time.
If you can't get that easily verified bit of information correct then how can I trust anything else you said? Can you provide sources for anything you claimed?
Oh, and another thing. I'm pretty sure that ten billion dollars you are talking about for loans to nuclear power also happened under Obama. Watts Barr restarted construction under Bush but it was Obama that approved over fifty billion dollars in loans that allowed for more nuclear power construction. At the same time we had Democrats complaining about no place to put the nuclear waste while it was them that shut down the Yucca Mountain waste disposal site.
This, coming from the poster who stated that Doug Jones was a "known baby killer" is somehow less believable.
Right, I should have put that in quotes. I'm not calling this guy a baby killer, the people polled in Alabama were. I don't know this guy. All I have is a vague recollection of an interview of him where he said some things in support of "women's right to access abortion" or something. Does that mean he's a "baby killer"? I don't know and I don't care.
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When sea levels rise and ruin most rich-owned waterfront property. Damn, almost makes you desire global warming.
You sound like the scam artists that pushed the same crap back a decade ago here in Ontario. It *did* push the cost of electricity though the roof here. The situation here is now so dire that they've mandated by law that they can't cut off power in the winter, for fear of people freezing to death. This, along with what happened in Ontario is gigantic clusterfuck. Nothing more, nothing less and in both cases one would have led to higher energy prices much higher, and in the other case did lead to much higher energy prices. So much so that the government is backtracking because by june of next year it will likely cease to be an actual political party.
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Of course they don't want wind farms off the coast of the cape. That's where all the rich Kennedy's live with all their cohorts. In the second breath they will also piss and moan about how coal fired plants are causing such environmental harm. I recommend we all burn tires in our back yard as a form of protest. 'You could have prevented this by allowing renewable energy off the coast of Cape Cod.'
Does that mean he's a "baby killer"? I don't know and I don't care.
You don't even care to learn the truth? Bold admission, I wonder if your opiod addled mind realized what you were saying. But you do care, because pushing that narrative natters, hence you repeat the lie, because you are forced to resort to such measures when championing a bigot, braggart, and fraud whose claim to fame is being fired for taking up an idol (a false one at that) in the courthouse, and then profiteering off it.
But wait, you think I forgot all the Republicans who raised the CARS provisions in the actual omnibus spending bill they did vote for, which was not about buying votes, but selling out to their lobbyists in the auto dealer industry. The sausage is there, but you won't look.
Similar events happened with the nuclear industry and their loans, and the same thing happened with Yucca Mountain. Actually having to dispose of waste? They couldn't siphon enough of the money off for that anymore. Yeah, Obama should have done different, bit that was true for healthcare, foreign affairs, the budget, and all the other stuff he mishandled.
But oh wait, you can scream about Solyndra, a company which actually built a factory, but got undermined by Chinese government subsidies. Not that anybody in the GOP is going to do anything about that. They'll just point at North Korea and cry havoc!
Good job. Your zealotry rebounds upon itself. Go vote for Moore, you deserve him.
You don't even care to learn the truth?
Go vote for Moore, you deserve him.
I don't live there so I don't care. I prefer to save my mental bandwidth for more interesting things. The vote there is a choice between two the lesser of two evils. I see no "win" here. It sounds like if Moore wins he might not be allowed to take his seat in the Senate. Apparently that's a thing.
I wonder if your opiod addled mind realized what you were saying.
Probably not. Like Elon Musk I have a tendency to post to the internet after taking my sleeping pills. That makes it hard to type sometimes because then the keyboard gets all bendy, and the lights off the screen... it shines like little angels... that lift you up....
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Corporations SHOULD pay more in taxes....
You think corporations will just eat whatever tax is passed and have it affect their bottom line? Where do you think corporations get money to their taxes? Have you ever heard the saying, 'Corporations do not pay taxes?' It's consumers that pay for any taxes put on corporations. As far as corporations are concerned taxes are a cost of doing business and are factored into the final cost.
If you want corporations to pay more taxes but not have it come out of consumers' pockets, how do you do that? How do you avoid corporations just passing along the cost of more taxes? Do you pass laws saying that corporations can't raise their prices to offset increased taxes? Or put a cap on profits?
So do away with property rights, which are also a function of government. The trouble is you only want a government which enforces arbitrary rules picked by you.
Doesn't everyone? Isn't that why people elect Senators and Representatives? To go to Washington and make arbitrary rules (legislate) and force others to follow them (law enforcement)?
How it will work in the medium term future. Renewables as the main energy with nuclear as back up but also powering high energy recycling to create zero waste cities, converting all waste back into useful raw materials. The big growth in new power stations, interconnected suburbs with solar panels and batteries, even domestic vertical axis wind turbines (low) noise, the burbs supplying power for the rest of the city, with every roof fully covered in solar panels, power station already built, just need the energy generators.
Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
Has this actually worked since Slashdot added the [domain] to links? At least use a URL shortener or something!
They will just "buy" a win, as they have for the last several years.. What is the current plan? Remortgage electric prices for a 25% reduction to get the election win, and in return we pay $25 billion in interest.
They will just "buy" a win, as they have for the last several years.. What is the current plan? Remortgage electric prices for a 25% reduction to get the election win, and in return we pay $25 billion in interest.
They tried that three times already, they're also trying with the "$15 minimum wage" which is at the very best going to lead to 60k people losing their jobs. What's the current plan going to have to be? Break all FiT contracts, and stop telling companies not to produce electricity - which would drive the costs down for the end consumer.
Look at the polling though, since early this year the ontario liberals haven't polled above 18% they've been as low as 11% support. Wynne's popularity is 5-7% and hasn't increased at all. The very best case going by how things are right now is they'll scrape out with 11-13 seats in the GTA. And lose to a conservative majority.
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They havent yet activated the final part of their "strategy". You know, when "working families" (https://workingfamilies.ca/ ) which is really just a thin union coating spend millions on attack ads for the liberals. This lets them strategically use their own funds for positive messsages, while letting "someone else" do the dirty work.
Might be different this time as they finally took on some of the "third party spending" laws they should have addopted decades ago.
They were also able to get use taxpayer money to fund their own party. Like how they got the "ontario electric benefit" broken down on the electric bill, so you can clearly see what the libs are doing for you (all in the name of transparency) yet they were never able to spell out what the "debt retirement fee" or the "global adjustments" were. Odd how they were not interested in transparancy and outline how their disasterous "green energy" fixed rate contracts is what caused electricity prices to skyrocket.
Hide the negative, oversell the positive.
I live on Cape Cod, and was opposed to cape wind from the beginning.
They flat out said the project wouldn't happen if it didn't before government subsidies for it expired. They needed my taxes to pay for it.
Then they needed laws requiring my electric provider to buy electricity at a high rate from them causing my electric bills to go up.
Very few people opposed to this were rich people concerned with their views.
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Yeah, it's too bad that Ontario decided to go all in on expensive and inflexible nuclear power. Now you're stuck with these problems.
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
You don't even care to learn the truth?
Go vote for Moore, you deserve him.
I don't live there so I don't care.
If you didn't care, you wouldn't be lying in his defense. No matter how much you deny your intractable insistence on supporting Moore, you care a lot, no surprise, since you live in the same state of delusion as most of the rest of Alabama it seems.
No surprise though, Roy Moore has been their stand-out poster-boy for hysteria for literally decades. They fell all over themselves when he wasted millions of taxpayer dollars on his feigned religious obsessions, it was a collective hysteria.
I prefer to save my mental bandwidth for more interesting things.
The vote there is a choice between two the lesser of two evils.
Again, your actions speak for themselves, you're trying too hard to pretend you don't have a stinking pile of turd, who I would consider evil in the venal sense, that you're trying to praise, but can't quite manage to do so.
I see no "win" here.
Yes, that's the price of hanging your hat on a shameless, self-promoting, greed-driven demagogue. You have to live with the consequences of it. Either you vote for him, or you find yourself admitting that you can't vote for him.
It sounds like if Moore wins he might not be allowed to take his seat in the Senate. Apparently that's a thing.
Oh, still praying for the Republicans in the Senate to have conviction? As opposed to convictions? You're just looking for a way to excuse the vote by denying the meaning of electing a twice-fired judge to the Senate even after his sexual proclivities came to light.
Not to mention your repeated support of him, to the point of making up deliberate and willful likes about his opponent, being as you claimed, a known baby killer, which just goes to show how badly fixated you are on your biases.
No wonder you outright endorsed him this morning, you need him, just like you need all your other lock-step follows in your lemming train.
Probably not. Like Elon Musk I have a tendency to post to the internet after taking my sleeping pills.
What, you're not blaming your lawyer for posting admissions of criminal culpability in your own name? I thought that was the new excuse.
It's ok though, with your unhealthy partisan obsession and your ill-conceived nuclear fetish, you are continually in a nightmare of your own making.
Which wouldn't be so bad, except you insist on inflicting it upon the rest of us.
It'll be funny, watching you make excuses for Roy Moore's inanity on an international stage, as hilarious as your obsession with apologizing for Trump, but still, it'll be a terrible thing for America. Makes me wonder why you hate the USA so much. Was it because the Statue of Liberty wouldn't let you look up her dress?
Yeah, it's too bad that Ontario decided to go all in on expensive and inflexible nuclear power. Now you're stuck with these problems.
You mean the part where nuclear carries the base load and is still only 0.085kWh with refurbishment included for the reactors? Unlike today where it's: Overcast, with no wind. Yeah those solar cells and windmills are sure working great!
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Not sure if I'm misreading your post, but wind energy sources didn't screw over the rates up here. Don't blame the technology. 17 years of bad policy decisions by politicians who didn't understand the energy market and changing energy needs caused the current problems. Like signing 20-year contracts for new power when existing infrastructure was already over-capacity and demand was declining.
This article is good summary too, without the rhetoric of the financial post article which states there is likely no health benefit to reducing coal reliance.
Problem with saying "60k people losing their jobs" is the few areas in the US that enacted ordinances and legislation for that same end goal have not had a net reduction in employment.
Then move perhaps? Although in the USA this is NOT a normal situation anymore now is it?
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
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I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
I am from the state and have friends from the area. What he did is just being creepy. There might have been some laws broken. There might not. The statute of limitations is up so it's a non-starter.
Here's the problem: Had he done this the smart way he would have just apologized for possible transgression in his younger years and moved on. It would have quickly faded into the background of political noise. He didn't. What he did do is expose himself as a liar, hypocrite, and unethical. He said the other day that alcohol was illegal in Etowah County in 1979. According the the local paper, it was legalized on 2 May,1972. He has made numerous other comments that are a record of fact that are incorrect or skewed. We have also found out that he dated his current wife while representing her in a divorce case. This alone should have him disbarred because further research has proven this was a pattern. As judge, he was twice removed from the bench because of his ethics. He is also under investigation for inappropriate payments taken from his non-profit. The investigation is ongoing. I don't really care if the signature is a fake. He's lied enough for me to not vote for him. Regardless of the ancient accusation.
On another note: As a male victim of sexual harassment and attempted sexual assault in my youth, I have no reason to doubt these women. If their accusations are true, they will remember the events like they happened yesterday for the rest of their lives. All the more reason to give them credence.
Why bother? We won't have that many people in the future. The future is not big cities full of redundant population, but smaller communities where only the Worthy will be living. Less energy consumption, less production of waste, a more sustainable civilization. We only have the deplorables, the uncouth and uncultured working and middle classes, to lose and we never wanted to keep them, do we?
I come back to my computer this morning and see you've replied, assuming I'm conversing with the same AC. After reading all of that I had to go back and figure out what this was all about because your post is all over the place. This was started with my comment that the Republican running in Alabama was merely accused of improper and creepy, but likely not illegal, behavior. If Moore did break the law then it would seem easier to press charges before he gets elected to the US Senate. Once seated then the rules change, which is probably why Al Franken isn't in prison right now.
If Moore broke the law then I expect charges to be brought. Since it seems no one has formally charged him with a crime then I am inclined to think this is just a Democrat smear campaign.
Makes me wonder why you hate the USA so much.
I hate America so much that I volunteered for the Army. Oh, wait, that's not what America haters do.
I love America enough that I'd rather the Republicans found someone else to run in Alabama. I also want Franken removed from office for his crimes, and I can say that because we have photographic evidence of his crimes and he's admitted to committing these crimes. Franken is a criminal and Moore is accused. That doesn't mean either should be in office, neither should. If the people of Alabama want Moore in office then it's up to the Senate to decide if they want Moore there.
I suspect that Moore will win because the case of any improper or criminal behavior seems quite weak and based on partisanship. It's probably a coin toss on if he actually takes a seat, assuming he wins the election, because it seems that while enough Republicans and Democrats don't want him there it may come down to being the devil they know.
Maybe I should pay more attention to the race. I'm going to catch up on this some more, I'll go turn on the radio, Rush Limbaugh is on now.
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have you been out of sight of land, ever, off the Cape? The wind never stops blowing off the Cape.
Why are so many ignorant buttheads like you allowed to post?
I come back to my computer this morning and see you've replied, assuming I'm conversing with the same AC.
And I assume you're a Russian troll in a cubicle, so what?
After reading all of that I had to go back and figure out what this was all about because your post is all over the place.
Oh, pretending you have little memory, or admitting your inability to recall even your own words?
It's you who doesn't want to talk about your failed accusations about Cash for Clunkers, about your failed nuclear promises, and about how if Obama had just purchased LED bulbs to hand out across America, we'd be ahead in terms of energy saved. But no, no, you demanded more loans to failed industries.
This was started with my comment that the Republican running in Alabama was merely accused of improper and creepy, but likely not illegal, behavior.
Nope, review your own words, including your choice of manufacturing a wild accusation against Doug Jones.
Read the whole thread over. It isn't hard.
If Moore did break the law then it would seem easier to press charges before he gets elected to the US Senate.
Oh, it'd be even better to watch Mitch McConnell twist in the wind over that.
Once seated then the rules change, which is probably why Al Franken isn't in prison right now.
Ah, cute, you want to imprison Al Franken without a trial.
If Moore broke the law then I expect charges to be brought.
They were. That's why he ended up removed from office.
Since it seems no one has formally charged him with a crime then I am inclined to think this is just a Democrat smear campaign.
Nope, it's a legitimate exposure of Moore's true character, not that it was ever in doubt that he was irresponsible, abusive, self-serving and irrational, that Alabamians, and Republicans on general, will, like yourself, fall all over themselves excusing and defending him is the real tragedy. Well, at least the truth is out now.
A smear campaign, BTW, lacks specifics and details, that cannot be said about the exposure of Moore as a sexual predator.
Makes me wonder why you hate the USA so much.
I hate America so much that I volunteered for the Army. Oh, wait, that's not what America haters do.
Plenty do, actually. Documented ones like McVeigh, Rudolph, and James Harris Jackson. Yes, I know you went into fits of denial over that Homeland Security Report, but oops...you do find a tendency towards such violence in the army.
And not merely the ones who despair at what they were used for, but rather those who hate truth, justice, and more with a growing despite.
I love America enough that I'd rather the Republicans found someone else to run in Alabama.
No, you don't. You actually approved of Moore, and refuse to consider any option other than demanding his election.
You forget, you've been apologizing for him all along.
I also want Franken removed from office for his crimes, and I can say that because we have photographic evidence of his crimes and he's admitted to committing these crimes.
Nope! You have no photos and no confessions to any crimes.
Nice lie on your part.
Franken is a criminal and Moore is accused.
Repeating your Doug Jones act? Huh.
That doesn't mean either should be in office, neither should. If the people of Alabama want Moore in office then it's up to the Senate to decide if they want Moore there.
Nope, it's up to you, and you voted for him. Despite years of history, including the undeniable firing as a judge, that would show a prudent man a better course.
I suspect that Moore
It's also good to use multiple types of renewable energy in the mix. Wind is often at its best on cloudy days when solar is inefficient. Hydro is only seriously affected by long term issues like droughts. Geothermal and tidal act as baseline sources that are constantly available.
"If you didn't care, you wouldn't be lying in his defense."
Hell, people do that all the time on the internet, Just to make a point.
Oh, pretending you have little memory, or admitting your inability to recall even your own words?
That tends to happen when I wash down an Ambien with some Bailey's on ice.
Read the whole thread over. It isn't hard.
I did and I found little of value in it.
Plenty do, actually. Documented ones like McVeigh, Rudolph, and James Harris Jackson.
There's outliers in everything, doesn't do much for the larger trend.
Nope! You have no photos and no confessions to any crimes.
I typed "Al Franken admissions" into Google, clicked on the "news" tab, and the top two results show Al Franken admitted to doing what he was accused of doing. He does not dispute this.
You forget, you've been apologizing for him all along.
I do get forgetful sometimes. That happens when I wash down my Vicoden with some red wine. Wait, did I forget to take my Ambien? I better do that now.
Ah, cute, you want to imprison Al Franken without a trial.
No, I expect he'll make a plea deal to avoid prison. Kind of hard to now claim innocence when he knows he's been caught on film molesting a woman as she slept, and has admitted publicly to doing it.
Nope, it's up to you, and you voted for him.
I'm quite certain I didn't since I don't live in Alabama. Perhaps I did and I forgot. I get forgetful after taking my allergy medicine with a beer. Oh, and I need to take my Ambien now. I don't want to forget that.
Listen, I'd go on but I'm felling reel tyred now. The kaybnord is gettying all blurring and stufff so its becomming dificilt to tope the wirds. amybe ill cime bsck later qith moore to sey.
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Probably to offset the ignorant buttheads who have no clue what they're talking about.
I did and I found little of value in it.
That's a personal choice.
Plenty do, actually. Documented ones like McVeigh, Rudolph, and James Harris Jackson.
There's outliers in everything, doesn't do much for the larger trend.
Yeah, I already mentioned how the report on militarist extremism was a problem in the ranks.
Nope! You have no photos and no confessions to any crimes.
I typed "Al Franken admissions" into Google, clicked on the "news" tab, and the top two results show Al Franken admitted to doing what he was accused of doing. He does not dispute this.
Al Franken admitted to what? Oh wait, you claimed he confessed to crimes. Not that a confession means much, see Adrian P. Thomas.
But you should look up Moore's behavior. First he admits knowing people, then denies even having heard of them. ,rich like Trump with the Access Hollywood tape.
I do get forgetful sometimes.
It can also be self-denial.
Ah, cute, you want to imprison Al Franken without a trial.
No, I expect he'll make a plea deal to avoid prison. Kind of hard to now claim innocence when he knows he's been caught on film molesting a woman as she slept, and has admitted publicly to doing it.
No, you're thinking of Brock Turner, who isn't running for office, and the aforementioned Donald Trump.
I'm quite certain I didn't since I don't live in Alabama.
Happened right on this thread. You, Moore, and Trump, all citizens of the state of Denial in the Republic of Delusion.
Going to be really funny if word gets out about paternity tests.
So what you're saying is that Roy Moore has been deliberately setting up the Republican Party by lying for the past four decades in order to make them look bad?
That's a hell of a long game. It's so insane, it makes him and his defenders look worse though.
Yeah, I already mentioned how the report on militarist extremism was a problem in the ranks.
You did? I get forgetful sometimes.
But you should look up Moore's behavior.
Why? I'm not voting for this guy. I can't vote for this guy. I'm also quite certain the signal to noise ratio on anything I find will be quite low. Maybe if someone posts some links to something relevant I might click to read. I only know about Al Franken because it was kind of hard to not hear about that somewhere, that was kind of big news. The goings on for Moore must be more local so far, I don't see much about that here.
It can also be self-denial.
No, I'm pretty sure it's my opioid addled brain. I get forgetful sometimes.
No, you're thinking of Brock Turner, who isn't running for office, and the aforementioned Donald Trump.
Who are these people? I get forgetful sometimes.
Going to be really funny if word gets out about paternity tests.
Oh, we don't believe in those things around here. Just ask my wife, sister, and cousin. She's right over there.
Happened right on this thread. You, Moore, and Trump, all citizens of the state of Denial in the Republic of Delusion.
I don't remember. I get forgetful sometimes.
I am armed because I am free. I am free because I am armed.
The author is a very well known anti-nuke nut FYI. So much so that he makes Japanese anti-nuke nuts seem reasonable.
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Problem with saying "60k people losing their jobs" is the few areas in the US that enacted ordinances and legislation for that same end goal have not had a net reduction in employment.
This is Canada, specifically Ontario. Those few areas in the US that have enacted those ordinances have seen jobs flee and businesses shutdown. If 60k people lose their jobs at the very best, the province will be strained to have enough money for UI and welfare payments.
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Sounds like he has good reason to be antinuke.
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
If areas with a higher minimum wage haven't had a net reduction in employment, and these are perforce better jobs, what does it matter if some jobs flee? They're made up for by higher-paying jobs.
Try a little empiricism sometime.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
The reason it isn't a normal situation is government action. Get the government out of that sort of regulation and it will slowly become a more normal situation.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
In your world perhaps. I don't think that's true.
In today's age, most corporations understand that happy employees are more efficient and effective than unhappy ones. In the USA today there are plenty of jobs and places to work if you are open to moving so if you are unhappy, find another job. If there isn't any around you now, move to where they exist.
Then there is the civil liability side of this. If you are injured on the job and the employer doesn't make it right, you file a civil suit. If they lose, they either pay directly, or their insurance company pays. If they are not being responsible, they won't have insurance very long. Eventually, they will be out of business from the load of civil judgments if it's really as bad as you say.
So I think this would be a self correcting problem in the long term...
Also, I've said multiple times in this thread that I don't advocate ZERO government involvement in everything. I'm advocating that government involvement should be seen as the last resort, when all else fails.
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
"Renewables as the main energy with nuclear as back up "
It's cheaper and more reliable to just run with nuclear. Even old fashioned water moderated nuclear.
And, surprisingly, nuclear produces less waste than the renewables do over their respective lifespans (IF LFTRs can be made viable then nuclear will reduce this by 99% on the output and a further 88% on the input sides.)
I've seen a fair number of companies that don't seem to worry about employee happiness. I suspect that was less true when I was young, and the next quarterly report wasn't as critical in decision-making.
Civil liability isn't everything. If I lose a leg in a freak compiler accident, I've lost a leg. If I need both legs to do unit tests, I'm out of a job. If I have to worry about losing a leg every time I compile a release build, I'm not going to be happy about it, even if the civil liability is not enough to put the company out of business. Moreover, a company that keeps having compiler accidents is likely to find lawyers to reduce the liability per incident, and I'm not going to have enough money to counter them.
Moving between companies works until more companies notice that they can get away with taking risks with their workers and save money that way. Lots of people won't be able to move on the speculation that they can get a better job.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Apparently you haven't been keeping up on the news: https://www.huffingtonpost.com...
Stop! Dremel time!
How, prey tell, does that magically change the picture?
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
It doesn't change the picture at all. It shows that there are multiple women accusing Franken of sexual assault. Much like there are multiple women accusing Roy Moore. This is directly relevant to OP's comment:
If the Democrats had any consistency in their demands for the concerns of women being sexually abused then Al Franken would not be in office right now.
Stop! Dremel time!
I only commented on the claims about the picture dumbfuck.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
I only commented on the claims about the picture dumbfuck.
Oh, so you aren't denying that Franken is a sexual predator and that Democrats are hypocrites if they defend him? OK, I guess you just hate the truth so much you had to attack the only part of the comment you could.
By the way, Slashdot comments have a "Quote Parent" button (see this reply for an example of usage). This handy feature allows you to establish context for your replies. If you choose not utilize this feature, you leave responders to guess as to your intent, you sanctimonious waste of matter. Based on your evident lack of intelligence, I don't particularly expect you to learn anything from this, but I can only dream...
Stop! Dremel time!
There is no "quote parent" on mobile, but that is besides the point. If there was a "quote parent" I would use it to quote everything you wrote so I could cite it as a case of phenomenal stupidity.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
I only commented on the claims about the picture dumbfuck.
Oh, so you aren't denying that Franken is a sexual predator and that Democrats are hypocrites if they defend him? OK, I guess you just hate the truth so much you had to attack the only part of the comment you could.
By the way, Slashdot comments have a "Quote Parent" button (see this reply for an example of usage). This handy feature allows you to establish context for your replies. If you choose not utilize this feature, you leave responders to guess as to your intent, you sanctimonious waste of matter. Based on your evident lack of intelligence, I don't particularly expect you to learn anything from this, but I can only dream...
There is no "quote parent" on mobile, but that is besides the point. If there was a "quote parent" I would use it to quote everything you wrote so I could cite it as a case of phenomenal stupidity.
Here; I've quoted it for you to highlight for posterity your continued deflection from the original question. Your user name should be Zero__IQ... it would be more accurate.
Stop! Dremel time!
Why bother? The future is humans wiped out by the next mass extinction event.
I mean, if you're going to take the long-term view, you may as well take it seriously. Plus you know you'll almost certainly be proven right (to some hypothetical outside observer) eventually.
Personally, I'm rooting for the supervolcano team, but the large extraterrestrial object team has some great players too.