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Massive Financial Aid Data Breach Proves Stanford Lied For Years To MBAs (poetsandquants.com)

14 terabytes of "highly confidential" data about 5,120 financial aid applications over seven years were exposed in a breach at Stanford's Graduate School of Business -- proving that the school "misled thousands of applicants and donors about the way it distributes fellowship aid and financial assistance to its MBA students," reports Poets&Quants. The information was unearthed by a current MBA student, Adam Allcock, in February of this year from a shared network directory accessible to any student, faculty member or staffer of the business school. In the same month, on Feb. 23, the student reported the breach to Jack Edwards, director of financial aid, and the records were removed within an hour of his meeting with Edwards. Allcock, however, says he spent 1,500 hours analyzing the data and compiling an 88-page report on it...

Allcock's discovery that more money is being used by Stanford to entice the best students with financial backgrounds suggests an admissions strategy that helps the school achieve the highest starting compensation packages of any MBA program in the world. That is largely because prior work experience in finance is generally required to land jobs in the most lucrative finance fields in private equity, venture capital and hedge funds.

Half the school's students are awarded financial aid, and though Stanford always insisted it was awarded based only on need, the report concluded the school had been "lying to their faces" for more than a decade, also identifying evidece of "systemic biases against international students."

Besides the embarrassing exposure of their financial aid policies, there's another obvious lesson, writes Slashdot reader twentysixV. "It's actually way too easy for users to improperly secure their files in a shared file system, especially if the users aren't particularly familiar with security settings." Especially since Friday the university also reported another university-wide file-sharing platform had exposed "a variety of information from several campus offices, including Clery Act reports of sexual violence and some confidential student disciplinary information from six to 10 years ago."

116 comments

  1. Worth the sacrifice? by Kaenneth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Interesting, but good luck ever getting a job as a known leaker.

    1. Re: Worth the sacrifice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Yeah but you raped me behind a dumpster last year, and now I'm going to the media. Good luck ever getting a job again!

    2. Re:Worth the sacrifice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      He was never going to get a job in this day and age of sexual harassment with a last name like that anyway...

    3. Re:Worth the sacrifice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      He's a perfect worker for finance. He clearly has no loyalty. He goes straight for the payout without any consideration of the thought he's an asshole or it might look "bad". And he did it all in MBA style.

    4. Re:Worth the sacrifice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      He doesn't have it as bad as his brother Isaac, though.

    5. Re:Worth the sacrifice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. No wonder he's called Allcock.

    6. Re: Worth the sacrifice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying is that every company does unethical things they don't want leaked eh? If like to think that there's companies which would appreciate taking a stand against that kind of thing, but I know I'm hopelessly naive.

    7. Re:Worth the sacrifice? by SYSS+Mouse · · Score: 1

      before that, he can kiss goodbye to his MBA.

    8. Re: Worth the sacrifice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Yes, most organizations have at some point done something unethical or they haven't been around for very long. Haven't you? And you're just 1 person.
      2. It can be hard to predict what will be construed as illegal or unethical by the police or the public, in some cases any action you take can be viewed that way, no matter what you do, creating an incentive for confidentiality.
      3. There is also secret information about your products, such as your release schedule, that you'll want to avoid having leaked to your competitors.

    9. Re:Worth the sacrifice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      He didn't leak the data. He analyzed it, compiled a report, and presented the report TO THE UNIVERSITY, and even agreed not to release it. His actual report has not been made public to the press, and it was the university that acknowledged it.

      The university's lax file management leaked the data which made his analysis possible.

      In all, I thought this showed extreme professionalism on Allcock's part. Besides exposing the unethical practices of Stanford GSB, which were impairing himself and had impaired students for a decade, he took it not to the press but to the school dean.

  2. When MBAs are handed out like candy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is what happens when MBAs run the show. There's a reason the MBA is now widely viewed at the GED of grad school.

  3. They might also have a more selfish reason. by AtariDatacenter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There might be a more selfish reason for this. If they're looking for rich alumni who can feed money back into the program some years down the road, they'll want to funnel as many of them as they can into private equity, venture capital and hedge funds after graduation.

    1. Re: They might also have a more selfish reason. by fubarrr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And this is not much different from pretty much all other business schools with any much big name.

      I'm Russian, from a top 1% family in Russia. I studied in an average college in Canada on my own volition, against wishes of my clueless parents who wanted to bang big money away on a business school. It took a lot of efforts for me to convince them that "big name business school" is a waste of money if you go there for actual skills and knowledge in the best case, and a disaster when you simply gave money away to small time fraudsters in the worst.

      I know personally two other Russians few years older than me who went for Harvard MBA, and now spill bitter tears for spending a big portion of their family fortune for, at best, laughably mediocre education for such price.

      And even in the mid-tier college I was going to, I saw that very few people who were getting not even a scholarship, but a "income supplement stipend," usually given to low income students, being given to another Russian guy who was always dressed expensively and casually wore $2000 watch and few other surprisingly well off people.

      I instantly understood that they do it in anticipation that if this guy will work in his father's company and earn big buck, they can proudly put his testament and his salary on their graduate outcomes statistics.

    2. Re:They might also have a more selfish reason. by pots · · Score: 1

      Might? Isn't this implied by the summary? There is no unselfish reason for this.

      The summary says, "helps the school achieve the highest starting compensation packages of any MBA program," and I guess an uncritical reader might interpret that as being beneficial for the students, but those students are getting high compensation packages because of their previous experience. There are basically two reasons why schools want "the best students" - a famous student or alumni can increase the prestige of the school, and rich alumni bring in more money.

    3. Re: They might also have a more selfish reason. by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The Harvard MBA opens doors that would be forever closed to you with a Master's degree from State U. That's the value of Harvard, the ruling class sees it and immediately knows you're one of their own, not The Other. Middle class values education, ruling class values connections.

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    4. Re: They might also have a more selfish reason. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dear top 1%, I agree with you that the education at one MBA program to the next is not vastly different. In our age, more than ever in history, we have access to course materials, readings, and lectures. If one is inclined to learn, the information exists readily.

      The primary difference between going to Stanford MBA and Northeast Appalachian State MBA programs are the connections and introductions to top companies. At Stanford, the world is your oyster. At an also-ran school, you might get lucky and make some great connections, but you're going to have to do something great on your own before you breach the inner circle of the top Wall Street investment banks and top tech companies.

    5. Re: They might also have a more selfish reason. by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Middle class values education, ruling class values connections.

      People keep making the mistake of believing that the world is a meritocracy, but it ain't. It's an insiders' club. If you're not good at schmoozing, though, you have no choice but to get by on competence, which is frankly a lot harder than doing it the other way. You know, with bullshit.

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    6. Re: They might also have a more selfish reason. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dear 99%er. That's relevant to you, not to me. I already have the connections.

    7. Re: They might also have a more selfish reason. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You haven't actually spent time in the Stanford MBA program. I have (not a full degree, but I was there).

      The Stanford MBA program is basically a two-year vacation for high-achieving students. The Stanford campus is fucking gorgeous for people who take full advantage of it - and the undergrads are too dumb to realize what they have and the other grad students are too bsuy. Yes they spend some time studying but on the whole probably less than the undergrads. They are certainly the most relaxed students on campus. There is an extraordinary amount of boning going on among the non-married MBA students. I felt like Jane Goodall among the apes.

      Anyway back to the value of the MBA. Yes it has value but the point of the program is to take students who are the most readily able to absorb material and then give them information they can use to become that much better. People without the best professional background simply won't understand the value of what they are being taught and won't get much from the experience. The teachers are very good too.

      You get a job from the program while you are in school. It's not really about connections. Graduates go all over the world. I guess if you stay in Silicon Valley there's a fair number of grads from your year and you might run into one on the job market, but SV is a big place.

    8. Re: They might also have a more selfish reason. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      The Harvard MBA opens doors that would be forever closed to you with a Master's degree from State U.

      It is a big help to get that first job. From there on out it is up to the individual. I've worked with many shakers and movers that graduated from Obscure U.

      Some times I think the Harvard or nothing meme is just something made up for failures to feel good about. They didn't succeed because they didn't go to X school.

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    9. Re: They might also have a more selfish reason. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agree. There is HUGE institutional bigotry in fortune 500 companies. Ivy league graduates are assumed to walk on water, while the rest of us have to prove our abilities

    10. Re: They might also have a more selfish reason. by epine · · Score: 1

      Sign me up for a $200,000 degree in figuring out that you've just been ripped off.

      Passing grades are awarded to any student that sports a purple, palm-shaped dent in their own forehead at some point during the program.

      The school doesn't even bother to grade your assignments (except to assure that you never enjoyed a free moment). Everyone must be kept busy enough so as not to puncture the fourth wall for any student who has yet to achieve his or her own personal enlightenment.

      I instantly understood that they do it in anticipation that if this guy will work in his father's company and earn big buck, they can proudly put his testament and his salary on their graduate outcome statistics.

      Graduate outcome statistics. Not your grandfather's snake oil, but definitely same great aftertaste.

    11. Re: They might also have a more selfish reason. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      puncture the fourth wall

      Reference for anyone who doesn't know what this is.

      http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmw...
      https://vndb.org/g580
      http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmw...

    12. Re: They might also have a more selfish reason. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      “If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.” wc fields (allegedly)

    13. Re: They might also have a more selfish reason. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People keep making the mistake of believing that the world is a meritocracy

      When did people think this? Ignoring anything remotely related to management, a substantial fraction of the people in important positions are quite incompetent. It doesn't quite seems to be brown-nosing either. It seems more like being able to say what management and C level want to hear, even if you can't deliver. It happens all the time in all departments, but a first-hand experience I had was one where an upper level programmer was giving a talk to the 20+ programmers under him, and there were so many buzzwords, I had no idea what he was trying to say and neither did anyone else that I asked. The presentation was meant to be a high level technical description of the direction were were going. "We're going to use agile methodology to continuously deliver scalable microservices in the cloud........"

  4. Let Me Get This Straight by wisnoskij · · Score: 0

    So the "controversy" here is that Stanford is using financial aid to attract the most intelligent kids to the university?

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    1. Re: Let Me Get This Straight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, it is that they lie about it to attract students. The other famous MBA schools do not lie about it.

    2. Re: Let Me Get This Straight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you know that other schools tell the truth about their policies?

    3. Re: Let Me Get This Straight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      How do you know that other schools tell the truth about their policies?

      From the article in the second link:
      But through the years, Stanford has insisted that it only awards scholarship money on the basis of financial need—not merit. Most of its peer schools, with the exception of Harvard Business School, make no such claim.
      So the other schools don't really disclose their admissions policies :-)

    4. Re:Let Me Get This Straight by Required+Snark · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Half the school's students are awarded financial aid, and though Stanford always insisted it was awarded based only on need, the report concluded the school had been "lying to their faces" for more than a decade, also identifying evidece of "systemic biases against international students."

      Telling people they are extra special snowflakes and lying about granting financial aid is unethical and may be illegal. A school that routinely lies to it's students might even risk loosing accreditation. A class action law suit is inevitable.

      Overt discrimination by a educational institution is illegal under federal law. The MBA program faces fines, loss of federal funding and criminal charges for individuals and the program as a whole. It is possible that Stanford may have to end their MBA program. The academic reputation of the entire University is now at risk. There will be a mass exit of anyone in the chain of command above the business school. Even regents may be forced off the board.

      You question is as stupid and vile as you are. I can only assume that you think it is acceptable to steal from old people and children. How many puppies did you stomp on this week?

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    5. Re: Let Me Get This Straight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      What world do you live in where wealthy white collar criminals are held accountable? That is not the US I know.

    6. Re:Let Me Get This Straight by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The academic reputation of the entire University is now at risk.

      No, it's not. Business schools like Stanford's are run like little fiefdoms. Nobody's going to decide not to go to Stanford for Physics because the MBAs are crooked.

      Here's a little secret: MBAs have always been crooked. They're basically certification for liars. They're institutions where the most corrupt groom potential future corrupt people the way pedophiles groom third-graders. People who believe that Humanities departments at universities are the most politicized places in higher education have never looked into what goes on at a top-tier business school.

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    7. Re:Let Me Get This Straight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You really think this will negatively affect Stanford in any way? Dream on, bro.

    8. Re: Let Me Get This Straight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think a school like Stanford is going to lose their MBA program?!?! LOL!!!!!

      At worst they will pay a hefty fine and then raise tuition more than they already do each year.

    9. Re:Let Me Get This Straight by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Nope. They pay the most experienced students to come, and claim to pay based on need, not merit.

      The starting pay more closely correlates with previous experience, so paying the most experienced to come distorts the starting pay used to advertise the school to other prospective students.

    10. Re:Let Me Get This Straight by nospam007 · · Score: 5, Informative

      "So the "controversy" here is that Stanford is using financial aid to attract the most intelligent kids to the university?"

      No, they're using financial intelligence to aid them attracting the most rich kids.

    11. Re: Let Me Get This Straight by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      But that is ridiculous. I highly doubt that anyone at any time thought that Stanford's Modus operandi was to find the 1000 poorest people in the world every year and give them scholarships. A big hint to all the students would of been a lack of malnourished Africans. Scholarships, by their very definition, go to otherwise overqualified individuals who cannot quite afford tuition.

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    12. Re: Let Me Get This Straight by Cederic · · Score: 4, Informative

      Scholarships, by their very definition, go to otherwise overqualified individuals who cannot quite afford tuition.

      That was Stanford's claim. The reality is that it went to people that they felt would make them look good, with people in identical financial circumstances receiving very different awards.

    13. Re: Let Me Get This Straight by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      What world do you live in where wealthy white collar criminals are held accountable? That is not the US I know.

      Depends. Remember ENRON? They got busted, the case was also basically tossed because the prosecuting attorney turned it into a gigantic shitshow and lied. Those white collar criminals are held to account, occasionally but it has to have actual "human impact" in most cases i.e. someone has to directly die because of their action or in-action. There are rarer cases, like in Iceland where they threw bankers into prison over the mortgage crash, the same happened in Canada with realtors and bankers being tossed into prison last year for house price fixing.

      In most western countries it's "direct crimes against a person" that lead to jail time. That's assault, battery, rape, murder, violent B&E/entry into a boarding house(home) w/people inside(Canada) and so on. This'll change as society moves more to more electronic means, digital currencies and so on. Title fraud is the new hot-shit right now, and governments are looking to move that to prison time from fines/forfeiture. If you don't know what title fraud is, it's where someone steals your property out from under you and borrows money against it and walks away with said money. Generally the amounts are over $250k which makes them a felony or indictable offence.

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    14. Re:Let Me Get This Straight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      here's business management 101: make money. bad way: work hard and sell stuff. good way: theft.
      so there's your answer about MBA's being a con.

    15. Re: Let Me Get This Straight by John.Banister · · Score: 1

      In most western countries it's "direct crimes against a person" that lead to jail time.

      Here in USA we have this thing called "the war on drugs."

  5. Stanford School of Business apologizes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for the security breach. Some heads will probably roll in the IT department.

    Oh, and about the mismatch between what they've been telling applicants (and the outside world) vs. what the data showed they did. They'll try to be a bit "more transparent" about that.

  6. That's ironic... by Anonymous+Cashews · · Score: 0

    Stanford MBA students has the reputation for focusing on the next multi-million-dollar app to make them instant rich. Basket weaving is a more useful skill and cost significantly less. I've heard some tech companies will toss out any resume that list a Stanford MBA.

    1. Re:That's ironic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks Nancy,

      Your posts are always enlightening and right on topic! Keep up the good work over there at Special Education!

      Also, I have noted that Chris uses child psychology to convince his so called trolls to give up by pretending they just give him free publicity. That's adoring! ;-)

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    2. Re:That's ironic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well creimer sure ain't no MBA! That, everybody knows about!

      Chris, did you enjoy me writing about you in the third person?

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    3. Re:That's ironic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're sad fuck.

    4. Re:That's ironic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hello Nancy,

      You were supposed to wait until I posted before replying to my post. I told you over the phone that I was going to post, not that I had. Anyway, I am sure that the great Slashdot community won't mind too much.

      Anyways, there we go:

      Chris' case is getting worse, he spends all day replying to himself as AC on /.

      The tests we ran on Chris have shown that Chris has the intelligence of an ameba:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      So, technically, he is able to conceive some kind of agenda but it will be silly or impossible to follow on a human scale.

      For example, Chris had an agenda to post anything he felt like on Slashdot which did not work well because it was based on his false beliefs that he had an infinite number of karma points as he wrote here several times.

      Several people here explained to Chris that karma maxed out at some level like 50 or so but Chris kept on insisting that his python script had confirmed that he had millions of karma points!

      Oh well, as I wrote before: "It isn't Chris' fault if he is the way he is. We do the best we can do with him and he is partially integrated into society. We try to cure his abnormal need for attention but he is kind of stubborn and won't listen to anybody."

      For the valuable /. users that might already have read the following, please note that there is an important update.

      IMPORTANT UPDATE:
      Special Education for the Santa Clara County Office of Education has invested money to buy Chris a new chair:
      http://www.keynamics.com/image...

      Information about Christopher Dale Reimer and autistic people:

      Autistic people have obsessions about things normal people don't care. For example, one of our autistic patient went haywire when he realized that there was a penny missing in his pocket change.

      To calm him down, one of our educator pretended to have found it on the floor and gave a penny to him.

      The autistic patient condition went even worse because he realized it wasn't the same penny!

      Chris has an obsession with budgeting every penny. He doesn't understand that most people do not budget to the penny and have a flexible amount they allow for miscellaneous items.

      I am Nancy Guerrero and I am Director of Special Education for the Santa Clara County Office of Education. We use Chris' (a.k.a. creimer,cdreimer) picture in our document because he is the hardest case we have ever had to handle:
      http://www.sccoe.org/depts/stu...

      Our artists were inspired by the low carb diet that Christopher follows scrupulously for the small lunch box and by the picture linked below for the rest. I am sure that you will notice the similarities such as the bump on the side of his chest and more:
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      Please be easy on Christopher although, I am aware that some of our staff handling Chris post joke comments here and obvoiusly, the Santa Clara County Office of Education disapprove that behavior vehemently:
      http://ibb.co/mRVSaG

      But it isn't Chris' fault if he is the way he is. We do the best we can do with him and he is partially integrated into society. We try to cure his abnormal need for attention but he is kind of stubborn and won't listen to anybody.

      Thank You dear users,
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    5. Re:That's ironic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's true enough!

      Creimer came in my cubicle the other day around 1:30 PM to fix my Ethernet connectivity. He had to crawl under my desk to reach the cable and oh my god! While crawling under the desk, he released an unbelievable amount of gas and the whole floor had to be evacuated for the rest of the day.

      An HAZMAT team was requested to approve the condition before we could go in again the next day and entrance was delayed until 10:45 AM.

      3 workers with chronical respiratory problems had to go to the hospital and 1 is still in critical state.

      Update:
      This is NOT a fart joke!
      ref: https://slashdot.org/comments....
      The gas seemed to come out of is ears. My guess is that gas accumulates in his large empty head:
      http://ibb.co/mRVSaG

    6. Re:That's ironic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks Nancy,

      Nancy, note also that I have used the correct reply we agreed upon over the phone below. I guess I might have gotten a little rusted. What are the plans for Christmas replacement for us? I don't think it is a right time to leave Chris by himself...

      Reply:
      Thanks Nancy,

      Your posts are always enlightening and right on topic! Keep up the good work over there at Special Education!

      I have noted that Chris uses child psychology to convince his so called trolls to give up by pretending they just give him free publicity. That's adoring! ;-)

      Anyway Chris would have a hard time to learn anything above child level matters, including psychology.

      https://childdevelopmentinfo.c...

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    7. Re: That's ironic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are we still harassing this guy? I mean, enough is enough.

    8. Re:That's ironic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Stanford MBA students has the reputation"

      "to make them instant rich"

      " is a more useful skill and cost significantly less"

      "will toss out any resume that list a Stanford MBA"

      Kamarad Kriski! Please learn correct English grammar! Your cover is blown!

    9. Re: That's ironic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This ONE TROLL is attacking any AC since creimer stopped posting two days ago. I've never seen butthurt this bad before.

    10. Re: That's ironic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you stopped raping your neighbor's goats yet?

  7. Precisely. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where there is not proof, there is only deception. It is true absolutely everywhere, especially where there is money.

    People say I am cynical. But Jesus Christ the evidence is everywhere! People lie through their teeth to anyone and everyone the moment there is profit in doing so.

    There is exactly one way to prevent this: insist on public accountability. There is absolutely no other way to keep anyone at all honest, period.

    1. Re: Precisely. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. Humanity is trash

    2. Re: Precisely. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Humanity evolved. It was not created.

      Deception is an artifact of evolution because it offers survival advantages. It can be useful to outsmart both predator and prey. But it is maximally useful when manipulating herd members for one's own gain.

      Of course, a herd in which all members lie all the time won't survive. There is an optimal balance between deception and honesty within one's herd, and natural selection has been zooming on that balance for millions of years.

      The game might have changed just a bit recently, with human herds being gargantuan compared to anything we have seen for most of our evolutionary history. But the principle is the same.

      Every human evolved in this context. Every human has the ability to lie. The inclination to do so varies a bit due to genetic variation and environmental factors. But it's there in all of us.

      No evolutionary process will ever rid us of it. But public accountability will keep it under control.

  8. Worth the research? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I thought it was telling when he did research on the data, and released a paper. That's initiative right there.

    1. Re: Worth the research? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      14TB of data for only 5000 applications? Did they have to submit an HD sex tape and full DNA sequence? And he spent 1500 hours analyzing it so that's... almost a year of full time work. And the dean just admitted it's all true? Didn't even try to discredit this guy or file charges for computer fraud and abuse or dispute any of the analysis just on principle? Something is wrong with this story.

  9. Data compression? by ColaMan · · Score: 5, Funny

    14TB.

    5120 applications.

    So, 2700 megabytes per applicant.

    Was this data stored as 5 minutes of uncompressed video of each page or something?

    Wait, wait, I know, applications were stored as a scanned, multi-page TIFF, wasn't it?

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    1. Re: Data compression? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like 2.4 gigabytes per application. Roughly 50 page applications "scanned" in as 24 megapixel RAW files.

    2. Re:Data compression? by tfranzese · · Score: 1

      Data *about* applications, not necessarily just the applications themselves. It would be interesting to know what all this data entailed.

    3. Re:Data compression? by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      My guess is someone fucked up the units. You'd need a drive array just to store the damn thing. 14GB sounds more reasonable.

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    4. Re:Data compression? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uncompressed PDFs which would basically be a set of images as I understand it. It's possible the students might have been required to submit video, audio, or presentations about why they should be allowed into an exclusive program.

    5. Re:Data compression? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It looks more as "data expansion", after all.

    6. Re: Data compression? by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      You're thinking too hard; it doesn't take a clear head to realize the figure isn't 14 terabytes... but it helps.

    7. Re:Data compression? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, most likely, yes. I work in healthcare IT, having come from education; the similarities are uncanny and also everything that is wrong. A depressing amount is paper scanned to TIFF. Rolling out newer scanners so they can scan to PDF; ALL the users will tell you - "I have to have the default as color." No. No you don't. You scan FORMS for f****ssake. There are reasons for you to have occasional access to color, but for you it is one page in in a thousand. Scan that one page in color. /rant Apologies.

    8. Re:Data compression? by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

      If you don't scan everything in color, you won't know if color information is lost.

      A black and white picture of a Panda might be fine, but you might end up not seeing the red blood in it's fur.

  10. Someone lying to MBAs? by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 1

    Tough shit. Turnabout is fair play.

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  11. Data speed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The other part people missed is he has a connection fast enough to deal with 14 terabytes.

    1. Re:Data speed? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Well, he was probably on campus, so no surprises there.

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  12. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's actually way too easy for users to improperly secure their files in a shared file system, especially if the users aren't particularly familiar with security settings

    Really? Sounds like IT incompetence to me. When I worked at $MEGACORP, every shared file system was assigned two groups by default - one with read access, one with read/write. The file system owner (just regular users) simply add/remove users from these groups. Not in the groups? No access. They even had a web interface to do this, so even the dumbest of secretaries easily knew how to maintain tight control of file system permissions. Filesystems were regularly scanned for Public/Everyone permissions and the server owner would get an auto-nastygram. This isn't really that complicated I mean it's fucking 2017, this is basic stuff people. So much for the "best and brightest" at Stanford.

    1. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      IT wanted better security but the MBAs running the project fucked them

    2. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is actually still complicated. If you give me access to shared file system, now I can read every file in this file system. Another example I have access to two file shared systems and for some stupid reason saved critical files to the wrong system. One more example - the admin could just add a wrong person to the wrong place or forget to remove someone.

  13. A Case Study in Lying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perfect material for their Master Bullshit Artist (MBA) program at Stanford.

  14. Use git for creimy stuff! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Creimer, can I make a pull request to you from our github repository about you?

    -the chief representative A.C.

    ***please pay attention to the Moon update***

    C.D. Reimer is a renowned Slashdot collaborator, as he puts it himself; "Because of the quality of my posts and my article submissions, I'm a highly rated commentator and moderator."

    But does anybody ever wondered what "C.D." stands for? Well, it stands for Creimy Dumpty of course!

    Creimy Dumpty sat on the wall,
    Creimy Dumpty had a great fall.
    All the king's horses
    And all the king's men
    Couldn't put Creimy Dumpty
    Together again.

    Creimy's siblings video and theme song, very realistic, especially the pants, just like Creimy's:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    With "Vice President Pence Vowing US Astronauts Will Return To the Moon", we are sure they will need miracle workers up there, here is what it would look like. Note that Creimy takes care of bringing a lot of food to the moon as depicted below:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    Creimy's real pictures:
    Before the sex change:
    https://ibb.co/cc7Ddw
    After the sex change:
    https://ibb.co/gVad65

    Creimy's "enterprise-level" chair, he talks about it all the time on slashdot:
    http://www.keynamics.com/image...

    Creimy's head, while his supervisor was talking to him, not with him, since it is impossible to do with Creimy:
    http://ibb.co/mRVSaG

    Creimy acting in educational resource document, he actually confirmed himself on Slashdot that he was handled by Special Education for the Santa Clara County Office of Education! He is really a king Dumpty!:
    http://www.sccoe.org/depts/stu...

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  15. Way to go boys! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Way to go boys!

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    John Edgar Hoover

    1. Re:Way to go boys! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks Sir!

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      The chief representative A.C.

  16. 1500 hours! by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He has spent on analysing this data 1500 hours?! Since February?! Working on the same data set over 5 hours per day during the last 10 months?! To write a 88 pages report?! While studying said MBA at said University?! I cannot think of many positive conclusions from any of that for either the person or the university/degree.

    That statement seems to indicate that either that guy is lying and/or his proceeding/knowledge is highly inefficient (not knowing how to automate the analysis/to do what a MBA-holder usually do and pay someone with that knowledge? Writing a 88-page report to just come to the conclusion that people with certain background are more likely to be chosen?) and/or doing a MBA at Standford isn't precisely effort/time consuming (well...). I guess that it is quite evident that MBAs aren't exactly difficult/demanding and that aspects like getting contacts, opening doors are usually more relevant than the knowledge itself; but 1500 hours in 10 months seems a bit too much for what is being described under these conditions.

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    1. Re:1500 hours! by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So instead of digesting this shocking information about a very prominent institution being caught red-handed in a gigantic lie, you attack the messenger. That's a pretty clever deflection, do you work as a journalist as your full-time job?

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      Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
    2. Re:1500 hours! by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 1

      So instead of digesting this shocking information about a very prominent institution being caught red-handed in a gigantic lie, you attack the messenger.

      My comment isn't precisely focusing on the most important aspect of this article. You are right. In fact, I do think that all the actions contributing towards minimising dishonest/nepotist behaviours are very positive and, in that sense, I am grateful to that guy as a human being and a citizen of the world. On the other hand, I don't know/care too much about MBAs/Standford, these problems aren't even related to my country (Spain), social status (poor enough to not even dream about studying for a MBA at Standford) or my background (programming, engineering, technical, absolute objectivity concerned); that's why I preferred to comment on what is more closely related to my expertise. In any case, I am not attacking the messenger or anyone else, just sharing my objective impressions. Additionally and to be completely honest, I don't see this "leak" and the attacked dishonesty specially important/protection worthy as far as it is very unlikely to affect people having actual problems (rich kid concerns?). But despite all that you are making a very good point: my comment doesn't care about what really matters here and I accept that.

      That's a pretty clever deflection

      I didn't deflect anything. As explained, I focused on an in-principle-secondary aspect, simply because of being more related to what I know and because of not seeing this whole situation as a problem about which I should be really concerned. Although I do insist in my full support to anyone fighting against dishonesty and nepotism everywhere. Sorry for not having made that point clear in my first comment.

      do you work as a journalist as your full-time job

      As clearly explained in my profile here, the linked sites, all the resources you can find about me anywhere and, even implicitly denoted by my previous comment, I work as a programmer/engineer/data analyst and by putting a major focus on being as objective as possible. My work isn't about convincing people or affecting others' opinion or talking about what I don't know. Also writing here my personal impressions has nothing to do with my work; although as a self-employed online-based worker, all what I write here or anywhere else is helpful for potential clients to know more about my personality/ideas even though I prefer them to eminently focus on technical aspects.

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      Custom Solvers 2.0 = Alvaro Carballo Garcia = varocarbas.
    3. Re:1500 hours! by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, you should consider journalism because you're very good at it. You totally changed the subject and in a very effective way. They can make good use of people like you.

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      Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
    4. Re:1500 hours! by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 2

      Well, you should consider journalism because you're very good at it. You totally changed the subject and in a very effective way. They can make good use of people like you.

      LOL. Thanks, but I think that you are mixing up journalism with partiality and manipulation, what is usually seen as bad journalism. I am very happy in my world of only caring about technical aspects/objectivity and will never move to something like journalism. But even in the unrealistic eventuality of becoming a journalist, I would bring all my principles with me; so, your assumptions wouldn't be applicable to myself even in that unrealistic scenario.

      Being a journalist isn't a requirement to be partial/dishonest though. In fact, the (software development) world is full partiality, dishonesty and mobster-like attitudes. I can even say that my objectivity-prone behaviour has been quite problematic for me. So, it isn't a matter of what you do, but mostly of how you do it, of what is really important for you. Basically, about what you are mostly concerned? About doing the right thing by caring about everyone else or about doing what is best for you regardless of how you affect others?

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      Custom Solvers 2.0 = Alvaro Carballo Garcia = varocarbas.
    5. Re: 1500 hours! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You clearly have not studied anything at any level of detail to make your knowledge worthwhile. I bet you think all knowledge can be fed to you in tweets.

    6. Re:1500 hours! by Razed+By+TV · · Score: 1

      I'm certain that the data was in an easy to read format, tailored perfectly for him to write his report. /s

      If it took 15 minutes to process each financial aid application and get the relevant data (age, race, sex, location of origin, economic background, acceptance status), that would be 1280 hours. (At 17.6 minutes, you reach 1500 hours). There were probably other data points on the applications that he initially had to take into considering and then ultimately rule out.

    7. Re: 1500 hours! by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 1

      have not studied anything at any level of detail to make your knowledge worthwhile

      I am not sure if I get your point there, but I do have 2 university degrees (+ studied for a third one which didn't finished for practical reasons) and +8 years of professional engineering/software development experience under quite demanding conditions with a major focus on R&D and systematically extending my knowledge. I have also met quite a few MBA holders and seen (even suffered) what they do with their knowledge. I have even met some individuals without MBAs having really weird ideas about the exact value of a MBA!

      I bet you think all knowledge can be fed to you in tweets.

      Just out of curiosity, where have you got such a nonsense from? From my lengthy explanations or from the fact of not referring to my Twitter account anywhere? LOL. Or do you also think that 88 pages are required to transmit the ideas which a few simple pie charts can deliver? Just for you information, I have a private Twitter account which I use mostly for reading curious/funny/interesting bits from some people. It is also a quite good way to quickly know about a serious problem going on somewhere; although getting more information about that event by reading the nonsense/lies which people write there isn't a too reliable approach.

      In summary, I have no problem with Twitter and even use that site quite regularly as a secondary distraction, but it is very far away from being representative of myself, my attitude or knowledge. On the other hand, it is an excellent site for someone like you, easily coming up with short, dumbed-down nonsensical ideas. If you don't have an account there, I recommend you to get one. Alternatively, if you don't have a MBA yet, perhaps you should start considering that option too.

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      Custom Solvers 2.0 = Alvaro Carballo Garcia = varocarbas.
    8. Re:1500 hours! by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 1

      If it took 15 minutes to process each financial aid application and get the relevant data (age, race, sex, location of origin, economic background, acceptance status), that would be 1280 hours.

      OK. Let's assume that, for the first 10 records, he needed an average time of 15 minutes per application (quite slow already). Let's also assume that the format was extremely incompatible with pure automation. Are you saying me that once you have retrieved the few values you need by following whatever format (e.g., first line in page 1, third and fifth lines in page 4, etc.), you would need 15 minutes to do it over and over again?! Seriously? Well, I certainly don't need that much time. You can give me an as complex format as you wish which is being regularly repeated; at the start, I might spend some time to come up with a way to efficiently go through all that information, but gradually the process would become extremely quick. Even more than 1 minute to look through X pages and take Y values in places which you can immediately locate seems already way too much. Your comment seems to be following the same reasoning than what this guy might have done to estimate the 1500 hours: measuring what you need for the first few ones and multiply that by the number of records. A quite inaccurate calculation proceeding; at least, for me (and most of people I know) and under the most logical conditions.

      But even despite the aforementioned paragraph, I can think of very few scenarios (to not say virtually none) where I wouldn't have built an automated approach to take care of a so repetitive task. Even if the files had the most unappealing and automated-unfriendly format (e.g., images) and I would have to spend a relevant amount of time (certainly much less than 1500 hours!! This is the time which I would be spending to build a really complex piece of software, rather than an application automating whatever actions) on the development, I wouldn't have done it manually. On the other hand, I am quite experienced in software development and building an application performing whatever actions is relatively easy for me; so, perhaps I am inadvertently assuming that some things are easier than what they really are for other people. The specific format might also be quite automation-incompatible and I might even decide to only automate part of the actions. But not automating anything or, in the absolutely worst scenario doing it completely manually but needing 1500 hours (during 10 months!! This is over half-time work every single day of the week!!) to extract/analyse/report what is being described here seems way too much for everyone. It is also clear that people studying a MBA aren't expected to be too good/knowledgeable on certain fronts; but perhaps that guy should have accepted that reality and learn a bit/ask or pay for help. In fact and as per some bad personal experiences on this front, that attitude seems quite common among MBA holders: not being fully aware about the limitations of their knowledge and performing inefficient or plainly wrong actions (affecting others).

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      Custom Solvers 2.0 = Alvaro Carballo Garcia = varocarbas.
    9. Re:1500 hours! by PPH · · Score: 1

      To be fair, it was probably in some Microsoft Office format.

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    10. Re:1500 hours! by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 1

      it was probably in some Microsoft Office format.

      In that case, I would do everything manually! Installing Windows just to avoid a bit of healthy repetitive work? Never! LOL. Seriously, if this is true, then the automation would have been extremely easy. You might even rely on different approaches: VBA macros, in-built communication of .NET languages or even non .NET languages by relying on some library or Microsoft interfaces (not sure on this front; I guess that some COM/OLE reliance). Although quite a few of Microsoft's own formats aren't too compatible with generic approaches like normal file reading, they usually offer quite a few communication alternatives and their APIs are well documented. In the case of Office application files, they have done a particularly good work because you can easily automate virtually any action on them.

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    11. Re:1500 hours! by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 1

      With "Office application files" , I meant Excel, Word, PowerPoint, etc. files.

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    12. Re:1500 hours! by Archon · · Score: 1

      I immediately came to the same conclusions as CustomSolvers2. It's called having an active bullshit detector.

  17. Wrong headline by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

    The much more spectacular one would have been "MBA student that can analyze data found".

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  18. Whose need? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    School's or the student's?

  19. Missing from the article: Rampant sexism by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The data also showed that female students were significantly more likely to have money thrown at them than men in identical financial circumstances. And men are already a disadvantaged minority in the entire education system, let alone by the time they get to university.

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    1. Re:Missing from the article: Rampant sexism by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I think a Title IX lawsuit is appropriate here. Lets hope someone with standing decides to make life expensive for Stanford.

    2. Re:Missing from the article: Rampant sexism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The above modded down for exhibiting excessive elephant-in-the-room-ness and accuracy.

  20. Selection bias: most powerful force in education by Subm · · Score: 1

    The post why selection bias is the most powerful force in education describes what's happening here, and it's not about educating students, sadly.

  21. Summary needs a summary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > see subject.

  22. read the fucking summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did you even read the same summary as the rest of us, never-mind the actual article.

  23. Leaker in a world of sh*t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's going to be expelled, and he'll be lucky if he doesn't go to jail. Permissions being set wrong doesn't make it legal to go spelunking through files he has no business accessing.

    1. Re: Leaker in a world of sh*t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Small-minded twats sure do love thinking about people being sent to jail.

  24. cheats by guygo · · Score: 2

    So the school that teaches MBAs how to cheat everybody is a cheater. Big surprise there.

  25. Reminds me of a story about a university by twosat · · Score: 1

    Reminds me of a story that I've read a few times in my life - I'm curious if anyone else here has heard about it. The story goes that a university was working out a list of which students would be granted scholarships. A senior official had a list of the top students that would then be further reduced to the top half who would then get the scholarships. The story goes that the list of the half of the students that failed the final selection was accidently used to grant the scholarships. By the time the error was discovered it was too late and the students were already studying. The story ends with the university later comparing the grades of the students who were mistakenly granted scholarships to those who should have received them and it was found that there was no significant difference.

  26. Poor ethics from a business school? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let me go find my surprised face.

  27. This Just In! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Analysis of greedy sociopaths' activities finds that greedy sociopaths are greedy and sociopathic.

    Also, water is wet.