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Germany Preparing Law for Backdoors in Any Type of Modern Device (bleepingcomputer.com)
Catalin Cimpanu, writing for BleepingComputer: German authorities are preparing a law that will force device manufacturers to include backdoors within their products that law enforcement agencies could use at their discretion for legal investigations. The law would target all modern devices, such as cars, phones, computers, IoT products, and more. Officials are expected to submit their proposed law for debate this week, according to local news outlet RedaktionsNetzwerk Deutschland (RND). The man supporting this proposal is Thomas de Maiziere, Germany's Interior Minister, who cites the difficulty law enforcement agents have had in past months investigating the recent surge of terrorist attacks and other crimes.
"Legal"
Good luck on that, it's a slippery idea that is resistant to being pigeonholed.
So rise up, all ye lost ones, as one, we'll claw the clouds.
Why not ban all security on devices while you're at it?
End of line..
deliver notice to the regulators proposing this that GeegawCo would cease operating in Germany, including any network/remote/cloud operations, if this were enacted. ship the money back home and dump 'em.
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
And I had thought east germany had joined west germany, not the other way around...
The first people to get the backdoors will be cops.
The second people will the in organized crime. It'll only take one bad law enforcement employee on their payroll to leak it... and THAT is just if there's some kind of key involved. The system itself will be public before the first device is even sold, since the standards will have to be given to the manufactures and they're going to leak like sieves.
Then you'll have a nation of devices that are completely untrustworthy. In theory... because in practice this is so obviously too stupid to work that they can't possibly go forward with it.
Kicked in? More like built for a skeleton key. Of course, the key and all copies will be labeled "Law Enforcement Use Only."
He's getting rather old, but he's a good mouse.
SOMETHING has to slow down the German economy before they own us all. Chasing out all technology would do it.
"Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
I like how people don't understand that "meddling" is part and parcel of great power politics. The people screeching "Russia! Russia! Russia!" are also the ones who were silent when O did exactly this to Netanyahu.
or cars...
whois gawk date unzip strip find touch finger mount join nice man top fsck grep eject more yes exit umount sleep dump
Intel Management Engine (ME), also known as the Manageability Engine. Intel have been putting a back door on their chips for the last 10 years at least. So what are law enforement worrying about?
I doubt it. They don't even have a government yet.
Nobody knows what and if a coalition will be formed.
There might be new elections.
This is nothing else but bullshit.
Law enforcement has had and always should have the ability to listen in the middle just like they do with phone lines.
First, there is no reason wiretapping should always be an option.
Second, and much more important. WITH A WARRANT! Not this insane "at their discretion" logic, only when investigation of a crime suggests that such forms of espionage would provide useful evidence in a less intrusive or destructive manner than alternatives.
That is a pretty big conspiracy . Title 2 has both good and bad aspects, letting the ISPs fark us over is just 100% bad. Claiming the purpose behind it is differnt then all the stated purposes is just for that one is pretty silly..
In fact the FCC did not even need title 2 to do so, they did it in 2005 and the courts agreed that even though they were not title 2 carriers they could still fall under CALEA, so moving them to title 2 is not an issue with that.
When you cant win, ad hominem.
The flipside, is that they don't need to access the criminals communications, they can simply prosecute them for having communications they can't access. Because THAT will be illegal now.
Being government mandated, it'll have to be usable by the dumbest of bureaucrats, so a hairpin would probably work.
This is the ultimate purpose behind placing ISPs under Title II in order to place them under CALEA requirements which could easily be interpreted to require exactly the same kind of 'back doors' on devices.
And of course any such interpretation would be factually incorrect.
CALEA was applied to ISPs in 2005. Title II classification would not arrive for another decade.
CALEA applies to telecommunications service providers only. It does not apply to software and hardware vendors. It does not compel service providers to hand over keys they don't have or restrict the activities of users. It does not mandate the installation of back doors into anything except the infrastructure of telecommunications service providers.
The propaganda has worked so well we have people violently protesting to have their own privacy taken away.
At least get your facts straight before posting provably false information. There are plenty of valid reasons to disapprove of CALEA and criticize U.S. government for it.
It will. But it is highly alarming that the fascistoid politicians pushing for this will not stop, but try again and again. It will likely not even get passed in the first place, and if it does, it will very likely get killed by the Bundesverfassungsgericht, i.e. on federal level. It has no chance at all on EU level, should it come to that.
In the end, this law would sabotage society and far worse so than any amount of terrorism ever could. It is essentially Zersetzung, as it undermines trust and that is the critical thing that keeps a society together and working.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
because my job. This one's free. First of all, I might eventually be affected by that bullshit if it spreads and second, it's always a pleasure belittling you and showing you just how big an idiot you really are.
First and foremost, there is no such thing as a "government only" backdoor. A backdoor is or is not. A backdoor that MUST be in EVERY device, independent of maker and the kind of device is by definition a high profile target for every hacker on this planet. Everyone wants to have that. That includes every state actor. I.e. other nations WILL want to have that backdoor. Now, of course you might share it with friends. It's unlikely that you want to share it with states like, say, North Korea or that Daesh idiots (that's ISIS for you, in case you didn't keep up with the news). Yes, Thomas, you're about to give terrorists a tool to invade German devices.
Way to go, aren't you supposedly at least kinda-sorta responsible for the internal security of the state?
How they get it you ask? Are you kidding? We're talking about the universal key to EVERY computer in your country. Every private, every corporate, every government system. You think a state actor (especially a rogue state actor) would shy away from kidnapping someone's family if he as much as MIGHT have access to the relevant keys? Here's your wife, Thomas, here is your kids. Hand over the keys and don't talk about it or, well, I spare you the details.
And even worse, you won't get what you want to get, Thomas. Because you don't think that anyone outside of Germany would as much as touch a device with a "German backdoor" installed, do you? Twice so if a state actor. No. Outside of Germany, you'll get secure devices (well, more or less... but at least not deliberately insecured ones). It is trivial, not only to me because that's what I do for a living, but to everyone with at least a minimum knowledge of IT to diff a "good" and one of your "bad" devices to see what's different between them. And what's different between them is your backdoor. It is now also trivial to patch such a security hole in a way that you'll be locked out again. And you can rest assured that every terrorist on the planet will make sure to plug that and lock you out.
Thomas. Again. Usually, I sell good advice. This one is actually free. Stop that idiocy before it costs you your job. I kinda like your party. Even though you're a grade A moron.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
A source claims Thomas de Maizière would like to have backdoors in popular apps. That doesn't mean he'll get them or, as a matter of fact, that the Bundestag will pass a law to make those mandatory. Since the Third Reich Germany has been, shall I say, a tad sensitive on the invulnerability of privacy in mail and telecommunications. I doubt he'd get it through the Bundestag let alone past supreme court.
It's just a German gouvernment official probing the waters machiavelli style. Just like in the US. No news here. Move along.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca