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'Watershed' Medical Trial Proves Type 2 Diabetes Can Be Reversed (bbc.com)
dryriver writes: For those suffering from type 2 diabetes, there is good news. Nearly half of the participants in a watershed trial of a new diabetes treatment were able to reverse their affliction. The method is quite simple -- an all liquid diet that causes participants to lose a lot of weight, followed by a carefully controlled diet of real solid foods. Four times a day, a sachet of powder is stirred in water to make a soup or shake. They contain about 200 calories, but also the right balance of nutrients. If the patient can keep away from other foods long enough, there is a chance of reversing type 2 diabetes completely. Prof Roy Taylor, from Newcastle University, told the BBC: "It's a real watershed moment. Before we started this line of work, doctors and specialists regarded type 2 as irreversible. But if we grasp the nettle and get people out of their dangerous state (being overweight), they can get remission of diabetes." However, doctors are not calling this a cure. If the weight goes back on, then the diabetes will return. The trial only looked at people diagnosed with diabetes in the last six years. Doctors believe -- but do not know with absolute certainty yet -- that in people who have had the affliction much longer than that, there may be too much permanent damage to make remission possible. The trial results have been published in the Lancet medical journal.
Please read about the work of Dr. Bernestein, Dr Phinney and many others who have reversed T2D using low carb /keto diets .
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I gotta wonder how many people drinking Soylent have unknowingly cured themselves...
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call me when type-I can be reversed. My Dad got type 2 because he got fat. Lost some weight and he's fine now. This is something we've known for years. It's fine that it's been proven. Science likes to prove things and that's generally a good thing. But I'd hardly call it watershed.
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or gin, or whiskey, I'm sure 50% of the type 2 diabetics are gonna be fine with this. For the other 50%, if a packet of gruel can replace McDonald's cheeseburgers then good on them.
Me? Drunks not drinking? Fatties not fast fooding? I'm gonna guess this is a treatment in search of patients. That said, best of luck to the 10-15% of type 2 diabetics who are neither drunks nor fatties, the study says half of you have a chance.
Charlatans.
More importantly, this is an issue that is frequently ensored by the MSM which is partly owned and controled by the drug companies.
...this common sense approach to curing diabetes to be fully debunked by the Medical Industrial Complex. Those profiting from this affliction wouldn't have it any other way.
That said, I also fully expect people to be lazy enough to not put forth the effort to lose weight to cure their ailments either. The underlying cause and prevalence of diabetes in society still needs to be addressed. Unfortunately, there's no easy cure for I-don't-give-a-fuck disease.
My dad was a T2 diabetic on multiple medications. Within a year on a strict low carb diet, his blood sugar was back to normal and he was off all medications (plus lost a lot of excess weight in the process). He's healthier in every way.
I'm not gonna claim it works for everyone, but the evidence is overwhelming at this point. The established nutritional dogma in the US is simply wrong and it's responsible for a huge number of needless deaths (and increased pharma company profits, funny how that works).
This news is bullshit. I've had type 2 diabetes for at least 10 years, and since the beginning my doctors told me it would be cured if I got back to a normal weight/diet. And I mean it's not rocket science, it's obvious if you think for a second about how type 2 diabetes works: pancreas can only produce so much insulin, eat more carbs than that and it stays in the blood (also having your pancreas strain at 100% all the time and dying out explains why it transforms into type 1 over time).
Same thing, from what the summary says it sounds like they used the Cambridge Weight Plan which IS a low carb diet. https://www.cambridgeweightpla...
As an anecdote, my doctor asked me to drink more water for an unrelated condition, and I lost about 15 pounds. Everyone is different, but worth a try if you are a bit chubby.
The downside is that I have to always use the restroom. And, restrooms are not always easy to find.
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Losing significant weight and changing your diet has always worked as a type2 diabetes 'cure.'
However, the medical industry likes selling metformin, and you have to 'rigorously prove' anything you want to call a cure in public, so simple healthy practices that 'cure' diabetes 2 cannot be talked about in public.
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This is more or less just an evolution over the old school treatment for diabetes which was basically an extreme diet with little to no carbs, it lost favor when insulin was developed as a treatment because it was considered easier to use than demanding the strict adherence to the diet.
It's nice that there's finally a diet pointing out that for people who have a still functioning pancreas, that it is possible to get enough of the sugar and fat out of the diet to go back to more or less normal.
Type 2 diabetes is generally the result of lifestyle, not a congenital defect, of course it is reversible (as are most lifestyle-related conditions). You don't need medication to do it, either. People have been reversing it for decades. The good news is, if you don't put crap in your body, do put good stuff in your body, and don't sit on your ass all the time, you probably won't ever have to worry about it. Until the obesity epidemic in the west, this type was largely a third-world problem. Think about that and what our society has done to itself in the new millennium.
In 2008 I was diagnosed with Type 2 Diabetes an my doc insisted I start insulin treatment immediately. My response: No thanks. I lost 40 lbs over the next three months by changing my eating habits - less fat, many less carbs, (but some "good carbs", etc., and walking a couple of miles a day. My next blood sugar level test was normal - high-normal, but within the normal range. And so it has remained for almost 10 years. A1C tests have been rock-steady and well within the normal range for years. It's not breakthrough medicine, it's determination and making the choices you know you should make. I weigh myself every morning and if I'm over my target weight, I eat a little less that day. If under, I can splurge with a few crackers and cheese. I cook for myself, so know exactly what I fuel my body with. Not religious/obsessive about weight, just sensible.
And the best part is that I (am American and) spend 3-4 weeks a year in France and eat and drink whatever I want: no weight checks there. When I get back I'm a few pounds heavier, but returning to the old regimen, they're all gone in a couple of weeks.
How to cure Type 2 Diabetes:
-Lose weight
-Stop eating garbage.
You know -- the common medical knowledge for the last 30 years.
"Sachet" does not mean "Packet". I've seen this a number of times recently and it's driving me nuts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
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Finally something can ACTUALLY be cured using one weird trick that doctor's don't want you to know.
The team at IDM (https://idmprogram.com/blog/) and (https://intensivedietarymanagement.com) among others has specialized in exactly this: using fasting and food input based methods to manage insulin response and reduce or eliminate hyperinsulinemia. Even Time magazine in September ran an article on this. http://time.com/4940354/revers...
This sounds a LOT like the FMD (fast mimicking diet) they were insisting on a while back. Under it all, what they were really saying then, and what they're really saying now, is: lose weight, and your metabolic dysregulation will resolve itself. SURPRISE!
Our reign has gone on long enough. Indeed. Summon the meteors.
My wife, who was overweight, developed Type 2 Diabetes.
She had take these god-awful tablets called Metformin which have horrendous side effects on your bowel movements - not funny at all.
Her solution [as a nurse] was to undergo Gastric Sleeve Surgery. A bit drastic but she saw it as act now or literally die early. On admission her Blood Sugar was around 12
After her surgery her blood sugar dropped to 4-something and has stayed there ever since - she tests it regualrly.
She was under the BMI threshold the surgeon had but due to the Diabetes he offered the surgery.
Solution: Don't eat Carbohydrates.
You will get some anyway but they less you use insulin the better for Diabetics.
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You speak of pharma company profits (and you're right today), but our sugar consumption problem was started by the sugar industry in the 60s using methods straight out of the books of the tobacco industry - buried studies that were linking sugar to cholesterol problems and lobbying for the war against fat.
I have been on a low carb diet much of the time for several years now with positive results regardless of what my weight is. My serum cholesterol levels dropped by over 50% long before the weight came off.
I've known several people to get rid of a Type 2 diabetes or prediabetes diagnosis by going low carb. And as to those who say it is difficult to stay on it, it is no more so than any other lifestyle change. I've known many to try becoming vegetarians and fall off.
Yes, it is easy to fall off of a keto diet that is for weight loss because you're reducing your calories. The key I've found is to just increase your calories for a while without going back to carbs. Also, artificial sweeteners keep the craving for sweets in place. Lose them. You should always plan on just doing keto forever just as a vegetarian plans to eat nothing but vegetables forever. Eventually, the thought of sugar or potatoes will just turn your stomach.
Here's hoping your not an American. He fights every year to get access to his meds. The side effects of his illness mean he can't really work. Good luck to you man. Godspeed.
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There have also been many trials with low-fat, whole-food vegan diets with tremendous success reversing Type-2 Diabetes long-term. There's quite a lot of carbs in the diet, in fact the majority of calories come from carbs, yet the diabetes is reversed, and this has been repeated many times over the last few decades, just not much to be made from telling people basically to 'eat your veggies'. A surprising number of people would rather pop pills and inject insulin sadly...but it's not necessary if you want. I'd rather eat 'real food'.
This has been well known for decades.
So the MSM is liberal, and owned by the 1% and drug companies? How does that work? Rupert Murdoch is a Conservative icon and typical MSM owner.
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Who didnâ(TM)t know this? Itâ(TM)s literally in every book about Type 2 diabetes.
It doesn't work for anyone. A low-cal no-sugar diet will be better for you than a low-carb diet. People on a low-carb diet accidentally correlate with one that does work, but that doesn't mean that a "low carb" diet works. The evidence overwhelmingly shows "low carb" diets work as well as any "low cal" diet.
The "conspiracy" against "low carb" diets is called "reality".
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You body needs it.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
My grandad had type 2 diabetes and was on prescribed weight gain supplements because he was underweight. Obesity is a major risk factor for diabetes, but the two are not invariably linked.
Agree. 200 calories for the shakes is dangerously low calories for the day if you take 4 of them, I think it says. I did a diet when Medifast used to offer a 500 calorie a day suite of "shakes." Dangerous as hell. U get weak. Don't do it. This is nuts. Even Medifast won't provide this low calorie shake approach any more.
It's been reversed consistently and predictably for years now with low carb/keto diets. This isn't anything new. It IS, however, good that the idea that it's not some kind of permanent disability is being pushed.
Dr. Eades is another. They have successfully reversed T2D of hundreds of patients in their clinic over the past ten years. They wrote a book about it. "Protein Power".
If you're overweight the extra calories come from your fat. For an obese person, losing 5 lbs a week isn't all that extreme and that works out at something like 28000 extra calories.
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my bad, more like 19000, but the point stands
Four times a day, a sachet of powder is stirred in water to make a soup or shake.
They contain about 200 calories, but also the right balance of nutrients.
Noting that 1 scoop from a tub of Soylent is 200 calories.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
I like the general agreement here about reducing carbs. That's the obvious first step in lifestyle adjustment. Keto is ideal if you're also overweight. (Note that many diabetics are skinny.) Fat isn't mentioned much here but it's essential. Eat lotsa fat! Easy on the protein tho.
But there's a problem running through this thread. Yes sugar is evil. Yes you have to test blood sugar. But sugar isn't what's ravaging your body! It's insulin for type 2 diabetics. More and more insulin floods your body every time you eat bread, rice, potato, and sweets. After a while your body doesn't respond to insulin well and you need more and more, which increases your resistance to the point that you just can't make enough. And that insulin is destructive to you in many ways.
So unfortunately, this study and probably all similar studies are wrong. Yes, you can reduce your blood sugar, but you haven't cured the insulin problem. Your insulin receptors are still not responding correctly. You still need to be very careful. Until the insulin problem is solved, you are still diabetic. Sorry.
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It is known that in some species, like cat, you can revert type 2 diabetes, but that is AFAIR because they regenerate their beta cell in their lagerlans islet something different than with human (incidentally that is why you should check regularly cat for Blut sugar, some DO rarely revert back to normal and giving them insulin can bring them to dangerous hypoglycemia). That is not what they are seemingly saying, what they do is adapt the body weight, but normally diabete type 2 human is about the body / liver cell getting resistance to insuline, so losing weight should not change that. I do wonder what's at play here.
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Nearly all legitimate studies relating to type 2 diabetes specifically warns that very low carb diets actually increase insulin resistance and makes type 2 diabetes worse.
"Eventually, the thought of sugar or potatoes will just turn your stomach."
Potatoes have only 70 calories per 100 g, it's pasta, bead and rice having 5 times that.
Wasn't it already obvious that eating a low glycemic index diet reverses insulin intolerance?
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read Dr. Joel Fuhrmann's books ... type 2 is a modern sickness, caused by lifestyle and overabundance of (the wrong) food ... switch to healthy foods, and you'll get rid of things like type 2, high blood pressure, etc ...
What I've heard is that once diagnosed one is considered to have it even if under control and not needing to medicate. And that loosing weight and having a proper diet does indeed reduce or eliminate the need for any treatment.
In other words what is actually new here? Am I missing something or have this knowledge not been verified in studies before?
There is always a war on something... War on fat, war on salt, war on sugar... It's these wars on other things that allowed sugar to increase, because if you take fat and salt out of a product it tastes disgusting - so you add something else, like sugar...
So now you have products which use lots of sugar sand other chemicals to make up for the lack of salt and fat, once they start taking sugar out they will have to replace it with something else too so who knows what kinds of weird chemicals they will use for that.
I'd rather just have natural foods, containing a reasonable naturally occurring amount of salt, fat and sugar and then eat sensible quantities of them. We didn't have massive obesity problems 100+ years ago when people ate natural foods and got a bit more exercise.
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You've offered up a conspiracy theory, one which revolves around something something drug companies who can't be trusted, and linked to a video by Alex Jones as evidence of this. Alex Jones, who makes most of his money by getting his followers to buy his nutritional supplements (because other sources of nutritional supplements can't be trusted). Brilliant.
... No, that's not what they were studying here but it seems like a worthwhile question, given their results.
This whole thread is just... Yes, of course a low carb diet can alleviate type 2 diabetes, any fad diet can alleviate type 2 diabetes. The important part is losing weight, and fad diets are usually all pretty good at that. It's wonderful that this particular one worked for you or for your relation. None of the low carb diets are as extreme as the 850 cal/day liquid diet that they used in this study. Does this mean that a faster, more extreme diet is more effective for treating diabetes?
That's a detail though. The important thing is that if you have type 2 diabetes then how exactly you go about losing weight doesn't matter nearly as much as actually doing it.
The established nutritional dogma in the US is simply wrong and it's responsible for a huge number of needless deaths (and increased pharma company profits, funny how that works).
Care to be a bit more detailed about this? Can you show (preferably with a cite) where "The established nutritional dogma" played into the hands of your father's diabetes? (Please also show me the "established" part and not just social norms. Social norms are not an established standard by any real logical discourse)
The fact of the matter is that most people with weight problems haven't followed any established guidelines handed down by any organization that can really align itself with the American government in the area of public health. I say this as an obese person. If your father really did find himself on the area where he had "a lot of excess weight" to lose he likely did it through bad eating habits or some other underlying medical condition and not because he was otherwise healthy and following the FDA recommended diet for any significant amount of time.
Again, I say this as a morbidly obese person. I'm not going to lay the responsibility for that on anyone but myself. Blaming "The established nutritional dogma" and Teh Big Prama!!!1111!!!! for poor life decisions is nothing short of mindless finger pointing. Sadly this blame game has become the norm but people who are honest with themselves know the truth.
Are the FDA guidelines perfect? Not really. There's things in there I'd rather not see but this idea that if you follow them you're going to end up obese and diabetic is a pretty far stretch.
100+ years ago most people were literally dirt poor. It probably has little to do with the quality of their diet, but rather the quantity. We've gotten fat because compared to 100 years ago we are all rich, rarely have to walk, and food is cheap. Hell we throw more food in the landfill today than was available for people to eat 100 years ago.
I'm all for going back to reasonable foods not produced by chemists in a laboratory, but let's not use how humans ate when they were quite possibly shooting rabbits in the woods to feed a family of 8.
Yes it's an anecdote! Were you expecting original research in a Slashdot comment?
I was diagnosed with type 2 about 5-6 years ago. This was a 'random' diagnosis as it was detected in a blood test intended to check cholesterol levels.
I have never had a single of the symptoms usually associated with type 2:
- No excessive thirst
- No excessive urination
- No hunger
- No tiredness
- No unexplained weight loss
- Normal bowel movements
- No strange pains in the extremities
- No foot ulcers or similar issues.
- No eye problems.
I'm never really sick (except for a cold maybe once a year) and I feel fine. I am overweight but I eat varied and lots of greens and a walk a lot, usually several miles a day, often more. I still take Metformin twice daily.
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I've come to the conclusion that nobody in the diet (and exercise) industry is a true foodie. They all see food as nothing more than fuel. The rest of the sane people actually enjoy what we eat.
We hunted rabbits and other animals for food for thousands of years successfully, and managed to find enough food to survive by doing so...
There's nothing wrong with natural foods, the problem as you point out is excessive consumption of them. But instead of reducing consumption to sensible levels, they used that as an excuse to remove certain components of those foods and replace them with something else (usually worse).
I'd rather go back to the original foods, and rely on personal responsibility to not consume stupid amounts. Meddling in things has only made matters worse.
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Even small amounts of short acellular (!) carbs cause massive inflammative growth of bacteria, whose waste product is confused with Leptin by the body. This causes the Leptin resistence that constantly distorts you body's energy homeostasis (=balance). To make matters worse, this also causes fat to be misdigested and accumulated.
Additionally, the shorter the carbs, and the more disassembly of surrounding structures it takes, the quicker they can get digested, and hence the quicker they flood the blood vessels, requiring an exteme insulin reaction so the blood vessels aren't damaged. Until the insulin system breaks, and you have diabetes.
Low carb is indeed not the ideal solution, as longer carbs that are still inside their cells, and a carb density below that which a living plant can have (23%) is totally fine. The Kitavan islandera eat long-cooked starchy root vegetables as their main food too, and they are perfectly fine.
BUT: "Low calorie" will not work AT ALL, and has shown to not work for seven decades now!! (-> Dr. M. O. Bruker) As the carbs will still be so short, and hence still cause the insulin system to "break".
Plus the leptin levels etc will still stay fucked up.
Essentially all you'd do, is be a fatass who's perma-starving himself. Internally, you body's state would still be that of a fatass.
And apart from that constant state
of suffering (hunger hurts, even if you don't realize it anymore), even more importantly, you will get *even fatter*, the moment you stop starving yourself.
A healthy body naturally does not eat too much! You can serve pure (barely salted) bacon, and you would simply stop being hungry when you had enough. Your body could simply still tell!
So please stop blurting out stuff when you haven't got a clue!
(It is always easy to see that somebody is clueless, when they use "calories". Use kJ! And never use GI, but only GL.)
Since 80% of type 2 diabetes is caused by obesity, the simplest way to avoid it is not be fat. It's mostly a self inflicted disease. If someone can follow a calorie restricted diet to put diabetes into remission, then maybe they have the willpower to not eat so much and exercise more and not get in that situation in the first place.
If you're overweight the extra calories come from your fat. For an obese person, losing 5 lbs a week isn't all that extreme and that works out at something like 28000 extra calories.
Exactly, the idea is to put enough into your body to keep from feeling hungry and to avoid triggering the body's hording mode.
We had a life span of about 30 years for those thousands of years.
People seem to have trouble grasping a whole lot about diabetes.
Type 1 and 2 both stem from partial pancreatic failure.
Among the early symptoms of type 2 is increased appetite, which often leads to weight gain.
The more recognized symptoms, including many of the more dangerous ones, are due to having type 2 diabetes while significantly overweight.
Weight loss and maintenance does not cure type 2 diabetes, it treats the secondary symptoms.
Weight gain does not cause type 2 diabetes, but it can reveal the secondary symptoms.
To cure diabetes requires repairing or replacing the faulty pancreas. Surgical replacements have been done, and work. Repair would be a better option, but until we can tell what exactly is the root of the partial failure, we don't know what to cut, remove, or poison to get it to repair itself. (For all the pride we have in our medicine, most of it comes to trying to kill or paralyze things that are acting wrong so the patient can heal naturally.)
I am currently following a similar weight loss program (it's 1000 calories per day instead of 800) and I have met several people in this program who were suffering from Type II diabetes but are now insulin free. As others have mentioned, this type of treatment, (low cal, reduced carb) has been known for quite a while.
Of course just rabbits won't work. There isn't enough fat on them: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_poisoning
That's a bullshit statistic. The average lifespan was about 30 years due to high infant mortality rates, accidents, and infections disease. A person lucky enough to avoid those, and presumably didn't starve to death, could expect to live 60 to 70 years. The modern increase in average lifespan in developed countries is because infant mortality is WAY down, accidents are less fatal because we have emergency rooms, most infectious diseases are curable, preventable, or manageable with antibiotics or vaccines, and we largely don't let people starve to death any more. It is not because we are generally more healthy. We are arguably less healthy due to poor diets, lack of exercise, and reduced natural selection.
According to a theory of hibernation, over the summer we're supposed to eat lots and lots of sugary fruit. That excess sugar makes us horny and fat. By the time winter is rolling around we're pregnant and are so fat that we're no longer absorbing sugar from the blood stream properly (type 2 diabetes). Around this time it's becoming freezing outside. The excess sugar in the bloodstream acts as an anti-freeze as we lay down for a chilly hibernation. Throughout the winter, the babies grow and the excess fat is burned away to keep us alive and warm. By the time the fat is used up, it's warming up again and the babies are being born right when all the plants are coming out to be eaten. The cycle then repeats.
We don't hibernate anymore, but if you look at ourselves as slowly evolving away from it, many of our bodily functions make more sense than not.
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Câ(TM)mon guys. I realize everything old is new again, but just because everyone forgot how to cure Type 2 Diabetes with a little bit of self discipline when insulin was invented (at the time, they didnâ(TM)t realize that there was a difference between Types 1 &2) doesnâ(TM)t mean that you can take credit for it.
Ooooooooh.... youâ(TM)re trying to sell a meal-plan and cash in on a 100 year old innovation.... I get it.
My findings:
There's some hope here.
Most I've done is four and half days. Even after a simple two day fast I get better glucose readings for a couple of weeks. When I did the four and half day one I had better readings for a month.
I'm gearing up to do a couple of weeks, I think I can probably cure myself outright if I bear down and go long term
I don't do 100% fasting, I still take my medication (all oral), I put vitamin C in my water and take Apple Cider Vinegar. The Apple Cider Vinegar by itself can knock 30 points off a glucose reading if I take it two or three times a day. I'm finally getting to where I can tolerate it, I hate the stuff.
The first day, even two of fasting gives me horrible glucose readings - turns out your body starts out by flushing glucose from the liver when you don't eat. Don't be afraid of it.
I'm thinking that when I do go for more than a week I can probably stop taking my meds after the first week and go for a truer fast. I just have to keep monitoring my glucose levels. I don't want to go full fast no meds from the get-go, I think that could be too traumatic.
Interesting observations about my medical history:
I have two major issues. One is genetic - Factor V liden disorder. Turns out you can have this for a lifetime and never experience an issue from it. My issues were triggered when I was working for 36 hours in a 48 hour period a couple of times a week. I was told the problem was probably stress triggered. I now wear a compression sock to hold my leg together where it swelled up so big from the issue. I used to like the fact that even though I wore a diabetic sock I wasn't diabetic and in fact had perfect glucose readings at all my physicals.
The second is now type II diabetes. Despite perfect readings on glucose year after year when I took my mandatory work physical while I was at NASA it didn't stick. I got another job where I couldn't bike to and from work anymore, but due to financial difficulties I biked to my bosses house and back each day - which was less than half the distance I did at NASA. I gained a lot of weight at this desk job. Then finally despite a lot of continued financial hardship that was stressing me out we finally got a second vehicle, and due to my bosses chaotic morning and evening things surrounding his family I immediately went to driving on my own without that short bike ride. It was about four months after I stopped that twice daily short bike ride I suddenly had diabetes set in. Also, according to the doctors, can be triggered by stress.
You know, getting some exercise and keeping the stress down can really save your life. In my case I was getting quite a bit of exercise when the first one set it, but my stress was near it's peak. I quit biking for about two weeks during that time to accommodate the extra work and a minor case of the flu - that was all it took.
I avoid stress, but in my case stress is applied to me from outside entities and there's no avoiding it.
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No-one's suggesting a rabbit-only diet, not even Fox news.
A whole food plant-based diet can prevent, treat, and reverse type 2 diabetes and many other diseases. This is nothing new. The Engine 2 / Forks Over Knives diet and Dr. McDougall is more or less a vegan diet, without any oils or processed food. The documented success stories are countless.
If you have the willpower and your body can tolerate high starch, high fiber foods which is nearly all of us. Some people with Crohns are going to have a difficult time though with the fiber.
I increased my calorie intake on a low carb/high fat diet and lost weight. "Calorie-in / calorie-out" stupidly naive; could I gain weight eating 3000 calories of hickory saw dust or hay a day?
It's not the carbs! Read the study summary:
"Body fat building up around the pancreas causes stress to the beta cells in the organ that controls blood sugar levels."
They didn't "cut carbs", yet achieved the desired results. If anything, "cutting carbs" causes you to cut excess sugars (proven to be unhealthy) and highly processed foods (also proven to be unhealthy due to lack of fiber and nutrients). You can get the same affect by eating more vegetables (plenty of carbs) and minimally processes whole grains. You don't need to go into ketosis to achieve these results, as this study shows..
I'm over 50 and I remember when I was much younger, folks who had diabetes were immediately told to lose weight. And guess what ? Many of them no longer needed their meds. This is only a big watershed thing because we are now realizing you cannot use meds to counteract bad lifestyles.
Since you said "alleviate", I've got to assert that a really low carb diet can indeed alleviate type 2 Diabetes. I'm not saying cure. And I'm talking about a really low carb diet with essentially no sugars of any kind (including fruit, though I allow myself 1/8 cup blueberries every morning). I've basically replaced all starches with a mix of oat bran, wheat bran, and psyllium husks, with a bit of xanthan gum form texture. Even salad vegetables need to be a bit limited. And for milk I restrict myself to about 1/2 cup per day, as it has a lot of carbohydrates. Swiss cheese though doesn't. A few other cheeses are also fairly safe.
This is a bit tricky to do in actuality, as it can be hard to balance the vitamins. Nuts are supposed to be reasonably safe, as are kidney beans. I'm hoping that green beans will work out, as they have extra vitamins, and I get tired of spinach and lettuce, but cabbage adds too many carbs.
That said, I also take a minimal dose of metformin. I'm told that you need to have your kidney function checked if you do, but I seem to tolerate it well.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
I got off slow acting insulin by doing just that, stay off carbs, have a sensible healthy liquid diet throughout the day and have a healthy solid food meal for dinner. Lost a bunch of weight, and a able to manage my type 2 much better, not totally off drugs but working towards that goal.
The unfortunate thing was that 40 years ago, ready made meals were the food of the future. We had food technicians who were paid to find the correct combination of fats, proteins, natural glues, preservatives, and water retaining chemicals all used simply to make mechanically reclaimed meat and other cutoffs taste the same as the main portions. The side effect; all those chemicals had the side effect of making people retain water and put on weight. Instant meals are now considered to be toxic by dietitians. It's the first thing they tell you to stop eating.
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You can reverse diabetes, but most who acquire it won't have the willpower to do so.
Now just wait for some troll commenter to come in and quibble about what the definition of natural food is. You are completely right, and the commenters on slashdot are completely anti-science when it goes against their biases.
Food tasted like shit back then, too. I used to watch a Youtube channel where they made recipes from 100+ years ago and they sucked. No MSG, no flavor enhancers, no brining, and for some reason they put nutmeg in everything. Natural foods are for the birds.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
You know the American dietary guidelines? .gov address. .. same story.
Not based on scientific papers, results, and they have a
The American Heart Association
That is what you should be outraged about. We've all been lied to... remember the "low-fat diet" craze that a lot of people still believe? OK, well that one WAS based on research. But the research results did not show any positive results from a low-fat diet. But that was still the recommendation because they thought it did.
Remember doctors recommending smoking? Same thing. Now it's the sugar industry, doing the same thing for their product using some of the same people.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
It's rare that one can drop in two words and increase the sentience of a post by 1000%, but here we have a real world example.
My father-in-law had diabetes for years. Due to co-morbid high blood pressure, he had heart problems that eventually landed him in the hospital.
After that, he finally started listening to the doctors. Within a year, his blood sugar was under control and he was no longer considered diabetic. All he did was switch to a healthier diet. Give up the cookies and ice cream---and know when something is just as bad for you, like fancy Starbucks "coffees". Eat your damn vegetables and stay away from all the carbs.
This is barely news. I don't understand how an expert in the field is treating this as a new development when patients are already being told how to fix the problem. Maybe this is the first study to demonstrate the effect conclusively---in which case, I'm glad it's proven---but I don't understand why this is being hyped.
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For those of you who have followed your doctor's orders to manage your diabetes and discovered, it just gets worse over time.. here's another option.. https://www.facebook.com/group... See the pinned post which has a link to all of the literature. The idea is that not only do you eat low carb, but eat 70% fats as an energy source. Moderate protein. Basically it's a keto diet. The diabetes isn't cured but since you are only eating 20 carbs a day, you are only needing insulin for 20 carbs a day. If your body needs more, it breaks down your own body fat to get it. Protein has carbs too so the protein intake is moderate. Many members achieve a 4.5 to 5 A1C and reduce or eliminate any needs for medicine. This group has about 42K members..
Have you fscked your local propeller head today?
Doctor Jason Fung in Toronto, Canada has been reversing Type II Diabetes for years. You can check out his website at https://idmprogram.com/
What's far more interesting than reversing type II diabetes is his ongoing analysis and discussion of cancer and the huge role insulin and diet plays in it.
1. cancer cells have more insulin receptors than normal cells
2. there is a correlation between diabetes and many forms of cancer
3. tumors can be 'starved' and eliminated by severely restricting carbohydrate intake
You don't have to lose weight to reverse type II diabetes. Type II diabetes is essentially extreme insulin resistance. Basically you're eating too many carbs too often, and your body is in a perpetual state of releasing insulin to deal with the glucose in your blood. The more often your cells are exposed to insulin, the less receptive they are. This causes your body to release MORE insulin in order to get the same result of clearing glucose from the blood. Which, of course, leads to your cells becoming even more resistant. Low carb diets don't necessarily solve this, as protein triggers insulin to be released as well. It needs to be low carb, high fat. It's also important to limit your eating periods. Constantly snacking throughout the day is bad, as it keeps your insulin levels elevated all day.
It wasn't the sugar industry, it was Ansel Keys. He pushed the "cholesterol and fatty foods are bad" theory, and due to his prominent position, reputation, and many contacts, basically shut out any competing theory. He did the "scientific consensus" trick to shut down opposition for decades.
The fact that I no longer need insulin when I switched to low carb after years of diabetes proves you wrong.
A figurehead is usually the visible tip of a large iceberg. The true story is a quieter one that shapes the ground on which the debate occurs from behind the scenes.
50 Years Ago, Sugar Industry Quietly Paid Scientists To Point Blame At Fat
If a drug is found during testing to have success in treating only a small fraction of patients because the patients cannot stick to the treatment protocol for any reason including things like taste or any other difficulty that the treatment might present, it is usually soundly rejected and not allowed to go to market. Many otherwise effective drugs are not on the market today or are limited to hospital use because of this.
So, we don't allow doctors to prescribe drugs that are ineffective because patients can't stick to the treatment protocol, but we do allow them to continue to prescribe diets and blame it on the patients when they can't adhere to the protocol? Where is the logic in that?
Perhaps most could stick to the established guidelines if the chemical dependency they've developed for their specific food mixture is successfully treated first. But just saying be well and you'll get well doesn't usually work.
And, frankly, I believe the established guidelines do not take into account the natural systems of the body that message hunger or satisfaction to the brain. In the long term, hunger trumps will most of the time. If followed, the guidelines place many on a perilous peak where missteps cause falls into bad valleys instead of placing them in a safe valley where minor falls go nowhere.
Ownership is often conservative, and editorial staff is often liberal. What that means for the slant of the outlet is pretty much outlet-dependent.
It needs to be low carb, high fat.
The body is interesting. The way it absorbs and stores energy is so counter-intuitive to most people.
"Wait, I got really fat. That means I need to cut out all the fat from my diet and eat everything else, right? Fat is bad."
You tasted shit you watched on YouTube? The future is here! They had simpler pallets. If you're not subjected to shitloads of sugar and salt as us, the old school food won't seem so bland.
What? No. You have reading comprehension problems.
From the blurb on his site: "In this New York Times bestseller, The End of Diabetes, Dr. Fuhrman, offers a scientifically proven, practical program to reverse type 2 diabetes without drugs as well as how to prevent it. Having type 1 or type 2 diabetes does not have to doom you to a shorter life span or its complications like high blood pressure, heart disease, kidney failure or blindness. Most type 2 diabetics get off their medications and become 100 percent free of diabetes by following guidelines clearly outlined in the books. By following these same steps, most type 1 diabetics can cut their insulin in half and maintain excellent health and quality of life into old age."
For so many things, as with this good yet limited study, mainstream medicine inches glacially slowly towards reversing bad ideas (e.g. fat makes you fat -- where it is really more that sugar makes you fat) that quickly took hold decades ago with next-to-no evidence (usually to some manufacturing company's profit). Even this latest study put people on a liquid diet instead of just asking them to eat more vegetables.
The big medical problem in a capitalist society is that staying healthy or becoming well is usually not very profitable to third parties. For example, insurance companies make a profit as a percent of revenue, so the sicker the general public is, the bigger the pie they are taking their cut from. The big profits are in treatment and palliation, not prevention and cure.
That said, it does take time, knowledge, and some careful shopping to eat well -- and that is continually undermined by others around you eating poorly and creating situations where poor food choices are on offer (including within families). And people under stress tend to gain weight as their body prepares for expected lean times ahead -- so there are multiple factors (like discussed in "Blue Zones"),
Dr. Mark Hyman has a lot of good stuff in this area too, like his book "The Blood Sugar Solution".
http://drhyman.com/blog/2014/1...
Also related: "The Pleasure Trap" by Douglas Lisle, Ph.D. and Alan Goldhamer , D.C.
http://web.archive.org/web/201...
"Tragically, most people are totally unaware that they are only a few weeks of discipline away from being able to comfortably maintain healthful dietary habits -- and to keep away from the products that can result in the destruction of their health. Instead, most people think that if they were to eat more healthfully, they would be condemned to a life of greatly reduced gustatory pleasure -- thinking that the process of Phase IV will last forever. In our new book, The Pleasure Trap, we explain this extraordinarily deceptive and problematic situation -- and how to master this hidden force that undermines health and happiness."
Some ideas by me on making software to help with health sensemaking:
https://web.archive.org/web/20...
A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
To start with: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new... ... Promoting low-fat foods is perhaps the biggest mistake in modern medical history... The report says the low-fat and low-cholesterol message, which has been official policy in the UK since 1983, was based on "flawed science" and had resulted in an increased consumption of junk food and carbohydrates. The document also accuses major public health bodies of colluding with the food industry, said the misplaced focus meant Britain was failing to address an obesity crisis which is costing the NHS £6 billion a year."
"Thirty years of official health advice urging people to adopt low-fat diets and to lower their cholesterol is having "disastrous health consequences," a leading obesity charity warned yesterday. "Eating fat does not make you fat," argues a new report by the National Obesity Forum (NOF) and the Public Health Collaboration, as they demanded a major overhaul of official dietary guidelines.
See also, for more details: http://drhyman.com/blog/2016/0...
The history is even more complex. A more diverse "basic seven" was replaced by a "basic four" food groups including through industry industry lobbying, especially by the dairy industry, where "milk" and "meat" became half of the groups and the dairy industry supplying printed materials for schools:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Note that most people on the planet are lactose intolerant and pushing milk on many children even in the USA via school lunch programs and dairy industry advertising is causing them health issues. Dairy may have been a better food decades ago before so much recent alteration like the widespread use of growth hormones and antibiotics. Animal fats tend to have other risks associated with them, like too much protein and a concentration of carcinogens moving up the food chain. That said, dairy products can make sense in moderation for some people and dairy farming can be a good use of some grazing land.
They key point is that the idea of a diverse diet including a lot of fresh vegetables was being narrowed to what could be most profitably sold by big agribusiness, which for decades was mostly about dairy, meat, and processed grains.
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And:
https://www.alternet.org/story...
"In December 1999, the PCRM filed suit against the USDA, claiming the department unfairly promotes the special interests of the meat and dairy industries through its official dietary guidelines and the Food Pyramid. Six of the eleven members assigned to the U.S. Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee were demonstrated to have financial ties to meat, dairy, and egg interests. Prior to the suit, which the PCRM won in December 2000, the USDA had refused to disclose such conflicts of interest to the general public."
From lobbying, food subsidies in the USA are completely inverted compared to the (not that great) food pyramid which explains why a salad costs more than a big mac:
https://web.archive.org/web/20...
"The Farm Bill, a massive piece of federal legislation making its way through Congress, governs what children are fed in schools and what food assistance programs can distribute to recipients. The bill provides billions of dollars in subsi
A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
I know how to cook, I can tell what things are going to taste like. Today's foods are specifically crafted to appeal to the human taste buds. Emperors of old would have given your weight in gold for a bag of Doritos and you would have been immortalized in song. Today's foods are so fantastically flavorful it's not even funny, and as it turns out we humans really really like shitloads of sugar and salt and fat. Better than any bunch of grapes, that's for damn sure.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
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No, no, and no.
Science is based on precisely the principle, that nothing can ever be proven, and that that is not the point either.
All we have are observations (=experiences), in which we recognize patterns. And the more occurences of this pattern we have, without any contradicting ones, the more we can trust it, to predict future/distant things based on current /local things.
This is what gives us the ability to influence our environment to reach our goals in the first place!
Hence it is useful!
That is the key word here: Usefulness!
Not "proof", " facts", "neutrality", "absolute truth", " opinion" or any of those other actually unscientific concepts that sadly are popular even among many who call themselves "scientists".
In this case here, they did a study, in order to gather enough observation to make it a reliable correlation, and (I hope they) tried to check for as many other possible correlations that would contradict it as they could come up with.
That should give them much higher confidence than a few anecdotal observations. Although it's still "just" a lot of anecdotal observations, done in a supposedly clean way.
But in any case, we only have a single piece of anecdotal evidence of the study. So that does not yet help us one bit. At this point, it's still just hearsay to us.
The scientific comminity tries to mitigate this problem with peer review: As many respected others as possible replicating the results.
But this just shifts the problem to a "argument from authority" fallacy. And, after creating fake stusdes, is constantly abused by lobbyists and think tanks*, to shift "opinions". Still no cigar.
The last bit of the puzzle, is that WE... each and everyone of us for himself, have to gather enough observations of a source's statements matching our own personal observed reality, without any contradicting ones, to gain trust in that source, because it becomes useful.
This is the thing that can not ever be outsourced. Otherwise you would give up your existence as an individual, and become merely a drone of the swarm body of the actual individual (your opinion maker). A passive thinker.
Aand then there's the fucking problem that man can do what it wants, but man cannot want what it wants! In other words: Our will is based on the input/manipulation we receive, processed with a modulator made of all the previous inputs and manipulatios down to epigentics and genetics. ... or simply stupid or crippled.
So it is already impossible to perceive a reality that is not biased by all of that. So even all the above can still fail to help us, if we are deluded or ignorant
Which pretty much everyone, sadly, is.
The more confident they are that they aren't, the more easily they are.
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* Example: The fascist-psychopathic "neocon" Mont Perelin Society, with its 500 (!!) think tanks, gave themselves eight "Nobel prizes for economy" with that method. Which is not a real Nobel prize btw, but a bullshit one like the "Nobel peace prize". But the public, including lawmakers, does not know that.
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Have you considered adding broccoli to your diet? A 1 cup serving typically has about 6g of carbs of which 2.5g is from fiber. It's a really great source of vitamins and it provides a respectable amount of some minerals.
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Since most good /.'ers don't RTFA, I wanted to point out that this technique was only tested on NON-insulin dependent diabetics (i.e. those managing the disease with pills, diet, and exercise). I was like that for many years, but eventually, the pancreas gives up, and leaves with you no functioning islets. At that point, you have to move on to an insulin regimen. So, if you have to take insulin 4-5 times a day, as I do, this offers you no hope.
What was once true, is no longer so
I eat a little broccoli because I like it, but I don't eat much because it's too high in non-fiber carbs. ... When I said a really low carb diet I meant it. What I really miss is brussel sprouts, but I can only eat a couple at dinner time. Cucumbers and celery, though, seem pretty safe.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
I discovered a cure path that had a 95% success rate 20 years ago 10 more years and the general population may catch up.
We live in an age that is new in human history and evolution. With in the last 100 years, for the first time in our history, It is possible in most developed countries to eat whenever one wants, whatever they want, as much as they want. There are no previous limitations associated with the act of eating that our forbearers had to deal with. Food is cheap and plentiful. Hunger was the natural state of the human condition until the relatively recent modern times. I can buy food, store it safely for a continuous supply, and eat whenever I wish. Now I can eat frozen burritos out of the microwave whenever I want to. I don't have to walk for miles to find food, or do physical labor to bring it into useful form. On one hand it is a miracle of technology and industry. On the other hand, it creates problems of overconsumption the human body was not adapted to deal with. We were adapted to a feast/famine existence.
I don't buy your argument.
The current modern lifespan is ~68 years using the same criteria as we used on earlier populations. If we're going to ignore infant mortality and disease as you suggest, then if you don't get sick or starve to death, you ought to be able to reach 110 years old in modern civilization, n'est-ce pas?
Exactly. Bread (wheat) is the staff of life. Protein-poor and fat-poor kale and broccoli have something that is nutritious.
In the article summary itself it says losing weight is the effect that 'cures' diabetes and their diet does that.
Since you can lose weight on lots of different diets, there will be a lot of statistical noise with other folks hawking their solutions for sale.
I think antibiotics have a _lot_ to do with wieght gain in Americans.
The reason we give it to livestock is because it's a cheap way of putting on weight. It works on people, too. The salesmen in the 1950s used it themselves to show how much weight went on with antibiotics and no other change in diet.
I think the antibiotics get broken down while inside the animal. There are also hormones they give the animals to put on weight. We've banned them in the UK and Europe.
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Some type 2 diabetes patients prefer insulin shots instead of weight loss treatment.
Casteism
Yea, a low carb starvation diet maybe.
There is no such thing as a healthy starvation diet. They will always cause more damage than they help, and that is before taking into consideration the mental damage cause by starvation.
And they DON'T taste the same. I'd rather eat vegetarian than eat this stuff. I agree with you.
So basically getting in shape by exercising and eating right restores your health to a normal non diabetic state. *shock!* *awe* *disbelief!* - you mean people cant eat like idiots everyday withoutnit messing up their health and having them branded as a "diabetic" with a "health condtion" (IE. being out of shape)
Who wouldve ever guessed!
I'm a family doctor and have managed literally hundreds of people with obesity and type II diabetes.
I've seen diabetes reverse twice, once after gastric bypass surgery and 40kg of weight loss, and once in someone else who lost a lot of weight after being told he had about six months to live if he didn't. I've had one other patient who has lost a lot of weight without surgery.
Weight loss is hard. Very hard. Hunger is a survival response and is about as easy to ignore as the need to breathe. Of course if someone has a highly calorie controlled diet and sticks to it, that works, but IRL the odds are stacked against you.