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Ask Slashdot: How Do I Explain Copyright To My Kids?

orgelspieler writes: My son paid for a copy of a novel on his iPad. When his school made it against the rules to bring iPads, he wanted to get the same book on his Kindle. I tried to explain that the format of his eBook was not readily convertible to the Kindle. So he tried to go on his schools online library app. He checked it out just fine, but ironically, the offline reading function only works on the now-disallowed iPads. Rather than paying Amazon $7 for a book I already own, and he has already checked out from the library, I found a bootleg PDF online. I tried to explain that he could just read that, but he freaked out. "That's illegal, Dad!" I tried to explain format shifting, and the injustice of the current copyright framework in America. Even when he did his own research, stumbling across EFF's website on fair use, he still would not believe me.

Have any of you fellow Slashdotters figured out a good way to navigate the moral, legal, and technological issues of copyright law, as it relates to the next generation of nerds? Interestingly, my boy seems OK with playing old video games on the Wayback Machine, so I don't think it's a lost cause.

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  1. What's the problem? by Motard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps your son should explain copyright to you.

    1. Re:What's the problem? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's easy, it's in the freakin' name: the right to make a copy.

      A fixed number of years after publishing, giving time authors to earn money for their work, we are legally allowed to make copies.

      Just because Hollywood and others corrupted the system and killed the spirit of the original law doesn't mean it vanished from the core idea of copyright.

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    2. Re:What's the problem? by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even when he did his own research, stumbling across EFF's website on fair use, he still would not believe me.

      Your son has all the makings of a fine upstanding citizen-unit. Obey, Consume, Conform, Submit, Marry and reproduce, No independent thought. Buy, Watch TV. Do not question authority.

  2. Start with the US Constitution by erice · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's actually pretty brief and clear:

    Article I Section 8. Clause 8 – Patent and Copyright Clause of the Constitution. [The Congress shall have power] “To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries.”

    1. Re:Start with the US Constitution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Article I Section 8. Clause 8 – Patent and Copyright Clause of the Constitution. [The Congress shall have power] “To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries.”

      This is theft. No fucking way do you hold the copyright on that document.

    2. Re:Start with the US Constitution by Subm · · Score: 4, Informative

      Then follow up with The Right to Read by Richard Stallman for how it's evolving.

  3. A few things by ClickOnThis · · Score: 5, Interesting

    First, count your blessings that you have a son who respects rules, even perhaps in this case when he really doesn't have to.

    Second, call the school and complain that it's mega-stupid that they disallow iPads when their own online library app allows you to check out books in the iPad-supported format.

    Third, although you may be able to make your own legal copy, can you get someone else's bootleg copy and call it legal? Seems to me that that was Napster's business model. Where are they now?

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  4. Re:Pull Him Out of Public School by vux984 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The most important skill and experience you take away from public school is the ability to deal with the public.

    Homeschooled kids lose out on that big time, and no, your church, sports, and social field trips you organize with other homeschooled kids is not a substitute.

    If you are worried about the education get a tutor and do some homework with the kid, but 8 hours a day learning reading, writing, social studies, math, and science from Mom & Dad doesn't prepare them for any sort of real world.

    And don't forget that you brainwash your kids too, just with the ideas and beleifs you hold. Public school for all its flaws, exposes them to other ideas, some good, some bad... and frankly the fact that he is intelligently debating with his kid about the ethics of copyright is probably the best possible outcome.

  5. Re:Tell him it's bunk believed by people with powe by Doub · · Score: 4, Informative

    Copyright is a pure (artificial and arbitrary) product of capitalism. Socialism is the library. You're just brainwashed by the western propaganda as his kid is.

  6. Re:Simple by penix1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    1. Explain that people need homes, because it's very cold in the winter.

    2. Explain that you need money to have homes.

    3. Explain that there are lots of creative people who create content in order to make money. ("Artists")

    4. Explain that they only make money if people pay them to create the content.

    5. Explain that the people who pay them to create the content ("Producers") also need money to have homes.

    6. Explain that the Producers will only have money to have homes if they can get paid for selling the content to people.

    7. Explain that the only reason Producers can get paid for selling the content to people is because of copyright, since stuff is cheap to copy.

    8. Turn this into a lesson about the evolution of text and music and art in history, the printing press and the phonograph and the camera, and how over time it became more and more accessible and cheaper to copy content.

    9. Explain the Sony Betamax suit that those producers lost allowing people to "time shift" and how this is an extension of that same decision.

    10. Explain the concepts of the public domain and why that is the sole reason for the existence of copyright.

    11. Explain how those producers lobbied (read bribed) legislators to extend copyright to the point that nothing will be released to the public domain in his lifetime.

    12. Explain that the DMCA was created by those same politicians in the same manor as the extensions to try and prevent format shifting.

    13. Explain what the definition of greed is (on both sides of this issue).

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  7. Re:Pull Him Out of Public School by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The most important skill and experience you take away from public school is the ability to deal with the public.

    Homeschooled kids lose out on that big time

    Can you cite any evidence that this is true? With five minutes of googling I located research that found homeschoolers equally or slightly better socialized, according to several different metrics, and none that found they were worse.

  8. Re:You need to figure out something else first by berj · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Paper books aren't definitively better, not by a long shot.

    When I want to read paper books on my 1 month vacation to a remote island in the south pacific I have to lug them around with me. They take up space and add weight even when I'm done with them.

    With digital books I can bring my entire library with me on my iPad and read whatever and whenever I want. And if I manage to find good Wifi somewhere I can even buy more books.

    I've done trips both ways (lugging paper books around and downloading a ton of reading material to my iPad) and the latter is infinitely more preferable.

    Aside from some special books I like to keep in my collection, I've transferred my entire library to digital and I couldn't be happier. I think the big "a ha" moment came for me shortly after I bought a kindle a decade ago. I ended up getting stuck in an airport overnight after a missed connection. Everything was closed. I was able to buy a book right on the spot to read while I waited for the first flight of the morning.

    With rare exceptions I haven't bought a paper book since.

  9. a constructive civics lesson by Goldsmith · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was raised in a (professionally) political family. That meant that as a kid, I understood that it was my parents' job to write or change laws. Laws can change. Some laws are bad. Some laws used to be good, and now aren't. Most of the rules and laws we actually interact with are local. Many more people work on local laws than state or national laws. That's a good place to start.

    Next, morality. Your son has good moral instincts. Don't discourage that! Generally, you shouldn't do anything you don't want other people knowing about. If you have to keep it secret to keep being who you want to be, don't do it.

    Finally, breaking the rules. Sometimes you find you need to break a rule. You know that something is right, and you don't care what society or the law says about it. In that case, you need to be ready to accept the consequences.

    In this case, what are the consequences of violating copyright laws? What are the consequences of violating the school rules? Why are you more willing to violate a federal law than a school rule? (As a parent, I know that my child will be punished for me breaking a school rule. In that situation, I'm also happy to try to take any consequences myself.) These are good lessons on how society actually works.

    My best advice to you is that you have your strongest voice as a citizen in local government, which includes your school. Teach your child to engage in a productive way with government by example. Don't simply accept what the government is telling you to do. That's not how our system is supposed to work. The solution here is to get your school to change their rules. Start with a teacher, then the principle, then up from there.