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Warrantless Surveillance Can Continue Even If Law Expires, Officials Say (theverge.com)
According to a New York Times report citing American officials, the Trump administration has decided that the National Security Agency and the FBI can lawfully keep operating their warrantless surveillance program even if Congress fails to extend the law authorizing it before an expiration date of New Year's Eve. The Verge reports: The White House believes the Patriot Act's surveillance provisions won't expire until four months into 2018. Lawyers point to a one-year certification that was granted on April 26th of last year. If that certification is taken as a legal authorization for the FISA court overall -- as White House lawyers suggest -- then Congress will have another four months to work out the details of reauthorization. There are already several proposals for Patriot Act reauthorization in the Senate, which focus the Section 702 provisions that authorize certain types of NSA surveillance. Some of the proposals would close the backdoor search loophole that allows for warrantless surveillance of U.S. citizens, although a recent House proposal would leave it in place. But with Congress largely focused on tax cuts and the looming debt ceiling fight, it's unlikely the differences could be reconciled before the end of the year.
Sucks to be an American citizen.
But TRUMP promised he would make America great again!?!?!
You fucking sheeple.
Turning citizens into suspects since 2002.
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It is forbidden by the fourth and fifth amendments to the constitution. Any official exercising any of these usurped powers violates their oath.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
Thats one busy rubber stamp approving all the warrant applications.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Everyone on /. seems to understand where the Patriot Act and its ilk lead, so I won't go over that, but I have noticed that these kinds of articles repeatedly pop up. There was an insightful post a while back saying that these kinds of things are like a cron job; every time it fires, the government makes another attempt to erode our freedoms, and on occasion, they succeed. So the obligatory question is: what can we do about it? How do we stop this?
Use what works. Ignore what doesn't.
So what happened to the sanctions against Russia with the deadline of 1st October??.... Nothing, it passed, Trump did nothing about it, spineless Repubs did not say a word. Foxsky Newsky quiet sides with Russia, never mentions it.
Here's the thing, as long as he hasn't signed their tax bill yet, Trump can do whatever he wants because Republicans need him to sign it. He can interpret FISA court approvals as substitute for laws, he can simply flat out ignore laws Congress passes, FFS he can even create a death squad funded by Russia's Direct Investment Fund to kill his enemies*.
Republicans will do nothing because they want their tax bill signed. Putin could march in the Whitehouse and declare direct rule, and they'd be fine as long as he promises to give them each their $4.4 million tax break.
* Yeh, there is no low point that can't be undercut:
https://theintercept.com/2017/12/04/trump-white-house-weighing-plans-for-private-spies-to-counter-deep-state-enemies/
So, the government can "decide" to say they're still within the law even if the law doesn't exist.
How different is that from the old USSR or post-WW2 Germany, exactly?
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Unless you can get the electorate to stop voting in "tough on crime" politicians then you're never going to see this go away. You'd need a top down approach of people willing to uphold the letter and spirit of the law. You'd also need to keep those people in office so they could remake the courts that have long since been staffed with the kinds of judges who favor all this. That usually means decidedly left wing people (most "libertarian" politicians turn tough on crime once they're in office). Folks are too worried about their taxes going up or their corporate overloards getting angry over their voting choices to vote that way.
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See subject & I'd like to know if President Trump is for this himself, personally - not his staff or others. If so, it'd be the 1st thing I do NOT agree w/ him on.
APK
P.S.=> Above all else though per my subject - thank you for that information & your thinking it out that way - I wasn't aware of that... apk
there are 12 months in a year rather than 9... more news at 11....
As for it being Trump... this is the same "deep state" part of government that has been leaking everything it can to hurt him, been actively working against him, and whose recently-replaced leaders have been going on TV denouncing him as untrustworthy. It's chilling to have to say it, but it's possible the "deep state" types have become so addicted to spying on American (up to and including Pesidentia candidates) that they are no longer willing to even pretend to obey the laws and are fully-intending to just go right on spying no matter what the laws say.
If you care about liberty, if you care about freedom, you should be devoting your thought to separating from this system. There is no fixing this. It simply has to die. We need to construct a viable alternative to pick up the pieces when it does.
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Rubber stamps? We ain't got no rubber stamps. We don't need no rubber stamps. I don't have to show you any stinkin' rubber stamps!
Maybe it should be mandatory for judges to learn about the 4th amendment?
There's nothing more unpatriotic.
If we decide we can do something then we can. If we decide you can't do something then you're fucked!
We don't need no steenkin laws!
Laws? We don't need LAWS where WE'RE going!
Everything we do electronically or with a connected device attached to our persons is being monitored and recorded by the corporate/government system in order to create a psychological model of the population with individual resolution for the purpose of predicting and controlling our thoughts and actions.
Seems to be working well to divide us. When will people get a grip on this horrible truth and stop being so easily redirected to attack each other rather than the perpetrators? This seems to be the end of the long-established civilizations.
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someone please restore the constitution
traitor to the country and cause if you dare to question your glorious elected leadership's stances on the legality of their illegally worded legislation.
Say, does this sound like the sort of things that happen in any other country, comrade?
Yeah. I'm glad I'm not a patriot, because the shit America has done in the last 20 years directly contradicts my first ten years of indoctrination as a US citizen during the latter years of the Cold War, when the rhetoric was still strong, and at least a quarter of the elementary school teachers dated back to WW1.