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'Face Reality! We Need Net Neutrality!' Crowd Chants Across the Country (arstechnica.com)

ArsTechnica staff took to the streets in Washington DC, New York, and San Francisco to capture rallies in support for net neutrality, a week before the FCC is scheduled to take a historic vote rolling back network neutrality regulations. From their report: Protestors say those regulations, which were enacted by the Obama FCC in 2015, are crucial for protecting an open Internet. Organizers chose to hold most of the protests outside of Verizon cell phone stores. Ajit Pai, the FCC Chairman who is leading the agency's charge to repeal network neutrality, is a former Verizon lawyer, and Verizon has been a critic of the Obama network neutrality rules. The protest that got the most attention from FCC decision makers took place on Thursday evening in Washington DC. The FCC was holding a dinner event at the Hilton on Connecticut Avenue, just north of the city's Dupont Circle area. Protestors gathered on the street corner outside the hotel, waving pro-net neutrality posters to traffic, blaring chants, projecting pro-net neutrality messages on a building across the street, and telling personal stories about what net neutrality meant to them via a megaphone. The FCC's two Democratic commissioners also joined the demonstration, Mignon Clyburn and Jessica Rosenworcel. They both gave brief speeches to the protestors, rallying for the cause and discussing the importance of a neutral Internet.

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  1. Chants by 110010001000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Chanting does a lot of good. It really changes things, because the government really cares what you think.

    1. Re:Chants by clonehappy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Remember, these are the same kinds of people that think Shouting at the Sky is an effective tool to get Trump impeached.

    2. Re:Chants by sycodon · · Score: 5, Funny

      Homeless dude's Resume:

      Participated in Anti-Trump Rally. Looked very upset.

      Participated in BLM Rally. Looked very sincere.

      Participated in Climate Rally. Looked very scared.

      Participated in Net Neutrality Rally. Looked very confused.

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    3. Re:Chants by Eldaar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Clearly many national politicians don't much care what the people think, but they do care about getting re-elected.

      As it turns out, chanting and protesting can draw media attention. And when the media actually does cover protests, that's when politicians start to feel the heat - when they start to realize that the issue might affect their re-election, at least a little bit. And that's when they'll start to care.

      So protesting matters in that sense. It also helps the public see what others in society think is important enough to protest about, which can affect the viewers' own thinking on the issue. Protesting also matters in that sense.

    4. Re:Chants by ljw1004 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Chanting does a lot of good. It really changes things, because the government really cares what you think.

      See: Gandhi, MLK, John Woolman, Emmeline Pankhurst, Ned Ludd, and the "can't pay won't pay" chants that took down Margaret Thatcher - http://www.economist.com/node/...

      I think that chanting is the most effective means we have to change society, second only to "having lots of money". (albeit a distant second).

    5. Re:Chants by Dragonslicer · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, it did, approximately 50 years ago. The federal government is the reason that AT&T had to allow non-AT&T telephones.

  2. Were they in the form of legal opinions? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If not, Ajit Pai doesn't care about what you have to say. Anti-net-neutrality bot comments are acceptable in any form however.

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    1. Re:Were they in the form of legal opinions? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Informative

      Please provide a source where anyone at the FCC said that anti-NN consumer comments in any form (much less ones from bots) drove their decision to any degree. Thanks.

      There's no indication that the FCC cared in any way about comments from the public.

      But someone sure went to a lot of effort to post over a million anti-Net Neutrality comments to the FCC using stolen identities a bot network.

      https://boingboing.net/2017/11...

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    2. Re:Were they in the form of legal opinions? by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But someone sure went to a lot of effort to post over a million anti-Net Neutrality comments to the FCC using stolen identities a bot network.

      And there were at least 7.5 million auto-generated pro-NN comments as well. Both sides were replete with folks with far more tech savvy than common sense who thought that the comment mechanism was a ballot box, which, ironically enough, made it significantly harder for the FCC to sort though the mess to find any comments actually providing meaningful information.

    3. Re:Were they in the form of legal opinions? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Informative

      7.5 Million according to the FCC. According to Kao, his number is "more than a million". So who do believe the FCC or Kao. I'm not likely to believe Pai since he won't actually disclose the methodology and the numbers.

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  3. Re:We Can Has Freedom? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Improving the practical freedom of the average human has always involved adding laws to the books. Aimless minimization of laws only benefits the most powerful at the expense of the rest of society.

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  4. They dont matter by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Insightful
    They will never show up to vote. Their mentality is, "If you are not perfect, there is no difference between the two candidates, I am going to stay home or vote for some useless candidate to send a message". They are easily defeated in elections.

    Politicians can safely ignore them. And they do.

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    1. Re:They dont matter by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Informative
      Show up to vote. Be fanatical. Show up to the most insignificant local election to the dog catcher, ask the candidate if they support "net neutrality". It will percolate up.

      Be like NRA members. They are a force to be reckoned with. Organize under a banner, and show that you believe. In a democracy only voters count.

      Protests don't help. Showing up at a campaign for the Municipality Sanitation board candidate and pester that candidate about net neutrality. If they think you are a voter they will pay attention. If they know you will definitely show up to vote they will court you.

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  5. test driven policy by bugs2squash · · Score: 4, Interesting

    OK, so let's say the proposed change is crafted to increase competition, improve service, reduce prices, and put a chicken in every pot before 18 months are up. All these things are testable. All significant policy changes from any side should come with a test plan, a rollout plan, a success criteria and a backout plan for every stage of the rollout.

    And if the effect of the policy change is too small to determine among all the other noise in the system take specific steps to address that by bundling policy changes or testing it in a smaller environment - I believe even the Chinese do that. For example, ask for state governors to volunteer their state as a testbed for policy that they believe is a great idea for the US as a whole.

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  6. Re:Freudian Slip by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, obviously you don't understand what America is about. It isn't supposed to be government granted monopolies running free without any oversight or restrictions. In the real world (as opposed to your suburbanite middle class faux Libertarian bubble), there needs to be some oversight on these artificial monopolies.

  7. So a bunch of people in states by rsilvergun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That didn't vote for Trump are protesting. Folks, you do realize this doesn't matter, right? Steve Bannon might be an unrepentant asshole but he said something brilliant. I'm paraphrasing here but the gist is: if the other side keeps banging on about issue the working class doesn't care about and we're sticking to a message of economic popularism we're going to be in power for the next 1000 years. I know a bunch of liberals who were upset that the 1000 year part was a thinly veiled reference to the Third Reich, again, missing the point entirely...

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  8. Re:Practical freedom comes from technology by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Look at any labor law or environmental law, just off the top of my head. In the absence of any such laws, any labor arrangement at least down to indentured servitude, if not slavery, of adults and children, would be enforceable as a private contract between individuals, and corporations would save money by heavily polluting the environment. These things did happen in the past in the absence of such laws.

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  9. Re:We Can Has Freedom? by SirGarlon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Then they are probably celebrating the REMOVAL of regulations over the internet, which means more freedom - not less.

    Very often, both sides in a conflict can shout "freedom" and claim the moral high ground. Remember the Confederate monuments? Those brave Southern heroes were fighting for their freedom -- their freedom to own other people. Freedom and tyranny are in the eye of the beholder.

    I agree, saying "freedom from regulation" sounds a lot better than saying "corporations' right to prey on their own customers is more important than the customers' right to choose what information they can access." When you put that way, it's hard to get behind.

    For my part, I care a lot more about my own freedom than I do about Verizon's.

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  10. Re:Appeal to what he believes by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Informative

    The problems with that are twofold: 1. Nobody wants a hundred companies digging up their yard. 2. Even if they did, most areas are not dense enough to viably support more than one infrastructure provider.

    So the "market-based" approach basically translates to, "Screw poor areas. You don't get fast Internet. Screw rural areas. You don't get fast Internet. Screw everybody in suburbia. You don't get fast Internet. But if you live in dense housing in one of about twenty or thirty major cities, you'll get three or four choices." You cannot create competition in a natural monopoly market. It can't be done no matter how much you deregulate, because the incumbent will always be able to cut costs to nothing until the newcomer goes out of business, then raise rates to make up that money and more. I've watched this happen in smaller markets.

    The only viable semi-market-based approach is one in which the government builds the infrastructure and leases access to ISPs in a nondiscriminatory fashion. But the Republicans don't like that approach because it doesn't produce monopolies for their cronies, so appealing to their desire for competition won't help.

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  11. Re:Practical freedom comes from technology by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This assertion relies on what I call "The Unabomber option." In order to participate in society, you will have to "opt into" certain agreements - usually for utility services, housing, and some form of employment. The only alternative is to live alone in a shack deep in the woods, like the Unabomber. This incredibly undesirable alternative is presented as a perfectly good and reasonable option for the purpose of making an unfair agreement seem more consensual than it really is.

    In the case of labor laws, the choice would've been to sign up for, or compete with, the aforementioned exploitative labor practices; or take the Unabomber option.

    Coming back to housing, we have housing regulations for the same reason. Without them, landlords and homebuilders would minimize the safety and privacy of the housing they offer to maximize their own profit (at least on the low end of the market). The alternative was to construct your Unabomber shack on a squatted plot of land and hope you wouldn't be found out.

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  12. Re:Practical freedom comes from technology by tbannist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Slavery and indentured servitude are constructs of the government and only exist and are enforced through government force.

    How is slavery a construct of the government when slavery is illegal? Does it "exist and [is] enforced through government force" when criminal gangs force people into slavery in countries where it is illegal?

    Environmental law amounts to a license to pollute; traditional English common law property rights are far more effective at protecting the environment.

    History disagrees with your delusions.

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