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"The FCC Still Doesn't Know How the Internet Works" (eff.org)

An anonymous reader writes: The EFF describes the FCC's official plan to kill net neutrality as "riddled with technical errors and factual inaccuracies," including, for example, a false distinction between "Internet access service" and "a distinct transmission service" which the EFF calls "utterly ridiculous and completely ungrounded from reality."

"Besides not understanding how Internet access works, the FCC also has a troublingly limited knowledge of how the Domain Name System (DNS) works -- even though hundreds of engineers tried to explain it to them this past summer... As the FCC would have it, an Internet user actively expects their ISP to provide DNS to them." And in addition, "Like DNS, it treats caching as if it were some specialized service rather than an implementation detail and general-purpose computing technique."

"There are at least two possible explanations for all of these misunderstandings and technical errors. One is that, as we've suggested, the FCC doesn't understand how the Internet works. The second is that it doesn't care, because its real goal is simply to cobble together some technical justification for its plan to kill net neutrality. A linchpin of that plan is to reclassify broadband as an 'information service,' (rather than a 'telecommunications service,' or common carrier) and the FCC needs to offer some basis for it. So, we fear, it's making one up, and hoping no one will notice."

"We noticed," their editorial ends, urging Americans "to tell your lawmakers: Don't let the FCC sell the Internet out."

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  1. Honest Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Honestly, what can we do? This is an unelected board with a majority that will change this no matter what we say. Congress has not taken up the issue in any way, and doesn't seem to have any intention of ever doing so, so what would be the purpose of writing to them? It just looks to me like Ajit Pai is going to force this measure through, no matter the science, business, societal, or ethical concerns.

    In short, the current FCC doesn't give a damn about any of us.

    1. Re: Honest Question by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While I want an Internet where all packets are treated equally, regardless of their content or source/destination, I find it disconcerting to see how the EFF, Reddit, and others are responding.

      Uh-oh. Concern troll time.

      It's clearly not about trying to give us an impartial understanding of all sides of this issue. It's clearly pushing an agenda.

      Yes, it's pushing an agenda. The agenda is to not turn control of the internet over to the corporations most likely to fuck it up.

      Basically, what we have here is the "I don't like their tone" argument, which is used to undermine an effort. And the same people love Trump, not for what he is doing, but because of his tone, which is purely visceral, unruly and unhinged.

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    2. Re: Honest Question by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If that's your goal, then you're about 10 to 15 years too late.

      The modern Internet is an abomination compared to what it once was like, when things were far more decentralized and much less corporate-controlled than they are today.

      Net Neutrality is an effort to bend the curve back. It's better than just ceding the remaining control of the internet to Comcast.

      Look at web sites like Reddit, Stack Overflow, Hacker News and even Slashdot. These discussion sites are rife with things like "voting", "moderation" and/or "banning users", which normal people consider to be acts of censorship.

      Oh, you're one of those jackoffs. No, "normal people" do not consider moderation and voting to be acts of censorship.

      You should really learn the difference between the content on the internet and the delivery of bandwidth. You're very confused as to what Net Neutrality means.

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    3. Re: Honest Question by king+neckbeard · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It probably has to do with the fact that this will do NOTHING to improve competition on the internet, while all the concern trolls opposing Net Neutrality were dead silent while AT&T and Comcast stopped Google from efficiently wiring competing infrastructure in Nashville.

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    4. Re: Honest Question by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, instead of leaving it under the control of those evil corporations, let's put it under the control of unaccountable Federal bureaucrats who claim to be following an abstract principle of Net Neutrality but actually don't.

      I would suggest that we have a better record of regulated corporations than unregulated ones. And it's not that we should not put it under the control of "unaccountable Federal bureaucrats", it's that the FCC is the wrong unaccountable Federal bureaucrats.

      Yes, Net Neutrality should be codified into law. We can't trust something so important to some mythical notion of a "free market" which has never existed and can never exist. The FCC can't do this job on its own.

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    5. Re: Honest Question by Highdude702 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not I Sir, I oppose Net Neutrality, But I am all for deregulation of utility poles. Allow any company to put fibers in, I have multiple ideas how it could work even if they wont give up control of the poles. Look throughh my comment history as i have a busy day and cant type them out for now. Or reply to me and ill get back to you in a day or two. We need more ISP's NN is not the way to get them..

  2. Series of tubes by backslashdot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Come on it's just a series of tubes, it's not that hard to figure out.

    Don't blame the FCC, blame the 48% that voted to put a lunatic administration in charge. If you assign a wolf to protect the chickens, you don't blame the wolf for eating the chickens.

    1. Re:Series of tubes by pots · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is not a good argument. You can't elect every public official, there are 22 million public employees in the united states. How many of those are managerial-level, with decision-making power? You're intending to have elections for all of those? It's perfectly reasonable for congress to delegate responsibility for tasks which they can't handle, either because they don't have the time or because they don't have the expertise. That is what they have done here and, for the most part, that is what they do every time they handle anything.

      Further, by framing it this way you're implying that this as a failure of government. The FCC is working exactly as intended: these commissioners were nominated by a Republican president and confirmed by a Republican senate. For some reason, Network Neutrality has become a partisan issue and Republicans are on the side of wanting to kill it. So this result is a predictable one, as a consequence of last year's election.

      Congress can overrule the FCC any time they want. The Senate also could have rejected Pai's nomination, or the other commissioners, if they didn't want to see net neutrality killed. It's not like this is a surprise, we knew that Pai was going to do this and they knew that Pai was going to do this too. So the grandparent is spot-on here: if we're looking for people to blame for this, it starts with the commissioners, but it's also the people who appointed them (the president and senators), then the people who appointed them (the voters), then the people who are really in charge of all of this (the ISPs).

  3. Idiots or Malicious ? by AncalagonTotof · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Not sure they're just idiots.
    Oh, why not corrupt ? It also works, isn't it ?

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  4. I've got an idea! by c6gunner · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's put an organisation which didn't understand how the internet works in charge of regulating the internet! What could go wrong?

    1. Re:I've got an idea! by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yeah, they present this as if it's some sort of evidence in favor of having the FCC in charge of regulating Internet access, when it's actually the opposite.

      But don't worry, if they kept their regulatory control, over the next few years/decades there will be plenty of industry "experts" willing to come in and give them a hand in "understanding" what needs to be done in the regulations...

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  6. Re:This argument works both ways by fafalone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can't have it both ways. If they get to keep their government-protected monopoly and benefit from taxpayer subsidies, the government gets to attach strings like enforcing basic fairness. I often hear arguments like yours from the free market types that don't fully understand the issue, who seem to have forgotten that monopolies aren't a free market and prevent fair market competition and allowing them to expand horizontally with unfair competition, and allow other large providers to pay them to abuse their own dominant positions, is the very antithesis of the free market.

  7. More wilfull than that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It seems unlikely that they don't actually understand it. The problem here is an active attempt to do harm rather than just the usual incompetence. So the fact that they are publishing stuff that is wrong on this many levels just means that they are taking a lead from their masters and recognizing that they can say what they like regardless of any concept of reality.

    Equally the general public will find it unlikely that they don't actually know so the EFF campaign might not be very effective as lobbying.

  8. Yup by XSportSeeker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not that people need to be reminded of this, but a huge part of this administration is irresponsible and dangerous ignorance or pure maliciousness to the benefit of few, which has not changed anything so far quite unfortunately.
    I hope the EFF, ACLU and the lawsuits that are coming against the FCC results in something. Unfortunately though, the justice system isn't showing many signs that it's all that much different from the administration too.

  9. Re:Republican government working as intended by pots · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The FCC can't overrule the will of congress, and in fact their prior attempt (prior to the one being discussed) was struck down by the supreme court.

    I assume that you're talking about the "third way" approach, in which the FCC tried to impose network neutrality while designating ISPs as "information services" rather than "telecommunications services." The court struck that down because the FCC didn't have the authority to regulate information services in this way - in fact I don't think that "information service" is a real thing, it's just a term that they made up as a half-assed compromise - but they did have the authority to regulate telecommunications services. So, the court said, all that the FCC needed to do was change this designation, then they could apply network neutrality without issue. Both of these powers, determining what what category a service falls under, and regulating telecommunications services, are powers granted to the FCC by congress.

    I don't know what you mean by "visceral argument." You seem to agree with me that our current Republican government is responsible for selling us out, you just don't seem to think that that this is a problem. You also make reference to an explicit instruction by congress not to regulate the internet - I'm not familiar with this instruction, but it is certain that it either doesn't say what you're implying or that it's one of multiple instructions that the FCC has received on this issue (I'm sure that they have had many, and I doubt that they all agree).