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New Satellite Experiment Helps Confirm Einstein's Equivalence Principle (presse.cnes.fr)

Part of Einstein's theory of general relativity posits that gravity equals inertial mass -- and for the first time in 10 years, there's new evidence that he's right. Slashdot reader orsayman reports: Most stories around space today seem to revolve around SpaceX, but let's not forget that space is also a place for cool physics experiments. One such experiment currently running into low orbit is the MICROSCOPE satellite launched in 2016 to test the (weak) Equivalence Principle (also knows as the universality of free fall) a central hypothesis in General Relativity.

The first results confirm the principle with a precision ten times better than previous experiments. And it's just the beginning since they hope to increase the precision by another factor of 10. If the Equivalence Principle is still verified at this precision, this could constrain or invalidate some quantum gravity theories. For those of you who are more satellite-science oriented, the satellite also features an innovative "self destruct" mechanism (meant to limit orbit pollution) based on inflatable structures described in this paper.

"The science phase of the mission began in December 2016," reports France's space agency, "and has already collected data from 1,900 orbits, the equivalent of a free fall of 85 million kilometres or half the Earth-Sun distance."

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  1. Re: Does this mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So do cows, which you all are. MOOOOO! MOOOOO! Mooooo cows MOOOOO! Moo say the cows! YOU ORBITAL COWS!!

  2. Re:Does this mean by glenebob · · Score: 4, Funny

    And this explains why humans have never, and can never, go anywhere near the north and south poles.

  3. Re:Does this mean by PPH · · Score: 1

    north and south poles

    Pure inventions on the part of the round-earthers to hide the locations of the edges.

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  4. Experiment? by AlanObject · · Score: 2

    Is there any lay text around that explains how the experiment works? The article doesn't have and talks more about space pollution than relativity & gravity.

    1. Re:Experiment? by iggymanz · · Score: 5, Informative

      General Relativety states that the acceleration due to gravity on two bodies that start at same position and with same velocity will be the same regardless of composition. The sattelite has a reference accelerometer with an electrostatically suspended mass of one material, and a test accelerometer with two test masses of two other materials.

    2. Re:Experiment? by hAckz0r · · Score: 1
      I was wondering this myself. I hate it when all you get is the PR campaign BS.

      https://journals.aps.org/prl/a...
      https://arxiv.org/pdf/1709.027...
      http://sci2.esa.int/Microscope...

  5. The Kessler Syndrome... by SeattleLawGuy · · Score: 2

    For those of you who don't pay attention to space matters, de-orbiting satellites is important because of something called the Kessler Syndrome. In effect, too much traffic up there would make it very difficult to get into space for thousands of years. This is also part of why the Chinese anti-satellite weapon test a while back was a big deal.

    We try to track everything, especially everything above a certain size, so we can prevent collissions.

    There's slightly more than a stub on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    1. Re:The Kessler Syndrome... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Said it before and I say it again. North Korea didn't need to go to the expense of building nukes. They just need to pack a few tonnes of sand around some high explosives, launch it on a rocket into retrograde orbit, and blow it up a few hundred miles high if threatened. Ain't asymmetric escalation a bitch when you're fighting the little guy with a big sting!

    2. Re:The Kessler Syndrome... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Ain't asymmetric escalation a bitch when you're fighting the little guy with a big sting!

      On the other hand, if you do have an ICBM with a nuke on it, you can do something even better than denying access to space, or even nuking a city: you can make one hell of an EMP, and charge the living shit out of the ionosphere making radio communications somewhere between difficult and impossible for days.

      We can probably clean up space debris by vaporizing it and/or slowing it down with lasers. But we have no great way to deal with an EMP, and no way to protect against one unless we can shoot down the missile.

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    3. Re:The Kessler Syndrome... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You both show misunderstanding of the way they are thinking, probably because of both sides' propaganda.
      North Korea is not bent on bringing grief to just anyone, and (perhaps foolishly) doesn't rely on a doomsday scenario for their protection, like Soviet Union did.
      They obviously seek capability of selective attacks (pre-emptive or retributive), because these types are possible to de-escalate or to scale up or down.
      It shows that they wish to come out of it alive, if possible, so they should be let to know that it is obvious they are bluffing with their "madman" rhetoric.

      Best course of action would be to show that the world is not impressed, and that although for the time being they can rest assured they will not be invaded, they won't blackmail out anything else by threatening other nations with their new expensive toys. If they soon don't commercialise their newly acquired technical expertise for some peace-time purposes and start playing nice with their potential customers, they certainly won't be able to eat their nukes and ICBMs. There is only one way out and that is North Korea gaining more pragmatism and returning into the global community. It may take some time. The bigger problem is what will happen once the peninsula is reunited and we get a little (well, relatively little, compared to PRC) regional industrial and technological superpower there, which might unexpectedly hurt neighbouring economies of Japan and lesser Asian "Tigers" and maybe even China. I predict the tensions might escalate instead of cooling down. So, perhaps it is a good thing that we still have North Korea to moderate the unrolling of events?

  6. Re:Russian Collusion! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's more than the 24-hour news cycle. Twitter, Facebook, and other social media also help perpetuate the adrenaline of electoral strife and factionalism. Unsurprisingly, they are also advertising-supported media. The owners of the media, both the news cycle and the social chatter continuum, also seem personally invested in factionalism and demand "change" and "disruption" and regardless of the topic and entirely despite the disruptive change of ruling faction from one party's near supermajority eight years ago to the other party's majority now - it's not even "change back to the old change" but simply "change for the sake of change." Plato warned of this in the Republic: there is an inherent tendency in generations to change, not always for the better, that a good polity's sustainability and stability temporarily, but not permanently, resists. We have reached the end of our polity's ability to resist destructive change, so we begin the slide from oligarchy through democracy and mob rule into tyranny.

  7. By implication by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    That they may be identical suggests they are the exact same phenomenon, which is cooler than everything else put together.

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    1. Re:By implication by HiThere · · Score: 2

      I wouldn't exactly say it's cooler, but it's something that any good theory of gravity is going to need to explain, and we need a new theory of gravity, because General Relativity doesn't play nice with quantum physics...but they both seem correct everywhere we can test either of them (usually, though, we can't test them in the same places).

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    2. Re:By implication by Dorianny · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't exactly say it's cooler, but it's something that any good theory of gravity is going to need to explain, and we need a new theory of gravity, because General Relativity doesn't play nice with quantum physics...but they both seem correct everywhere we can test either of them (usually, though, we can't test them in the same places).

      Before a quantum gravity theory, first we need a more complete Quantum Mechanics theory

      It has been demonstrated that it is impossible to renormalize gravity in Quantum field theory (part of QM) without the use of extra dimensions. At least not without the addition of Supersymetry to QM, a theory which has been taking a bruising lately from LHC data (the simplest SUSY model has already been ruled out.)

      QFT was widely believed to be truly fundamental but largely due to the continued failures of quantization of general relativity, the consensus is that it is only a very good low-energy approximation and there has to be something more fundamental (like Newton's laws are an approximation of GR which work for non-relativistic speeds and low gravitational fields)

  8. SOLID SCIENCE by Templer421 · · Score: 2

    This is what we pay taxes for.

  9. Re:Russian Collusion! by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

    Nothing about Trump is made OK by anything about Clinton.

    Attempt to distract from the Orange Buffon: failed.

    But you'll try again and again, right?

  10. Re:Does this mean by ChatHuant · · Score: 4, Funny

    Pure inventions on the part of the round-earthers to hide the locations of the edges.

    But the truth of the flat Earth will still win in the end; the Flat Earth Society has now members from all around the globe!

  11. Re: Does this mean by careysub · · Score: 2

    I was missing these AC cow posts. Much more amusing than our recent flat earther coward.

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  12. Re:Does this mean by careysub · · Score: 1

    Please mod this up "funny"!

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  13. Re:A false question by careysub · · Score: 1

    As our recent flat earth coward knows that all gyroscopes are rigidly fixed in space (he says so!). This is why no one with a laptop with a harddrive (or an iPod) has ever been able to tilt it in operation! Mystery solved!

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  14. Re:Fake by bn-7bc · · Score: 1

    Well you are partly coreect, ot is a theory, which means it makes predictions, those predictions can be tested, and so far those predictions have been proved right every tine. So I would have to dissagree with the second part of your statement. But if you cane produce a repetable experement that dissproves it thrtr is a rather famous comitie in Sweden that would like to hear from you.

  15. Ludicrous lede by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    ”Most stories around space today seem to revolve around SpaceX, but let's not forget that space is also a place for cool physics experiments.”

    Well, if the sum total of your science reading amounts to scanning Slashdot headlines, perhaps this is true. But then you probably also believe that the vast majority of financial news stories involve Bitcoin.

    Otherwise... no. There’s a lot of very cool real space science going on right now! Meanwhile Musk is essentially running an innovative delivery service.

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    1. Re:Ludicrous lede by orsayman · · Score: 1

      You're right, I meant "most Slashdot stories around space today seem to revolve around SpaceX". While it's of course interesting to talk about SpaceX sometimes it feels like any SpaceX launch deserves its dedicated story... That was a tentative catch-phrase because like you I believe that we have good reasons to do science in space.

  16. Re:Russian Collusion! by amiga3D · · Score: 1

    I can see it in a political discussion. You'd just think nerds could talk about Nerd stuff without bring up political bullshit. Maybe when it gets to GW I could see it but here it's got nothing to do with any of that.

  17. Re:Does this mean by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

    Let's use actual numbers, eh?

    g = 9.81 m/s^2
    \Omega = 7.3e-5 /s
    R = 6380 km

    R \Omega^2 is much less than g

    Looks like you'll be fine.

    To be more precise, R * omega^2 = 0.0337 m/s^2, or about 0.34% of gravitational acceleration.

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  18. Re:Does this mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Shouldn't that read, "...every corner of the world?"

  19. How exactly is this being tested? by kevin805 · · Score: 1

    I can't seem to find anything explaining how the test works. Is it just measuring forces on balls with different densities or something?

    1. Re:How exactly is this being tested? by orsayman · · Score: 1

      Basically yes. There is a brief description of the main instrument here. There was a mode detailed description with references to many papers but I can't find it anymore.

  20. Re:Does this mean by Khyber · · Score: 1

    No, it means your brain would pop out of your ass when you jumped.

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  21. Not a globe by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    Wake up folks the earth is not a globe!

    Exactly right. It's an oblate spheroid.

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  22. Re:Fake by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    so far those predictions have been proved right every tine.

    May I fork your version of the theory? I'd just like to take a stab at it, if I may. Pretty sure I can handle it.

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