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FCC Refuses Records For Investigation Into Fake Net Neutrality Comments (variety.com)

"FCC general counsel Tom Johnson has told the New York State attorney general that the FCC is not providing information for his investigation into fake net-neutrality comments, saying those comments did not affect the review, and challenging the state's ability to investigate the feds." Variety has more: The FCC's general counsel, in a letter to New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman, also dismissed his concerns that the volume of fake comments or those made with stolen identities have "corrupted" the rule-making process... He added that Schneiderman's request for logs of IP addresses would be "unduly burdensome" to the commission, and would "raise significant personal privacy concerns."

Amy Spitalnick, Schneiderman's press secretary, said in a statement that the FCC "made clear that it will continue to obstruct a law enforcement investigation. It's easy for the FCC to claim that there's no problem with the process, when they're hiding the very information that would allow us to determine if there was a problem. To be clear, impersonation is a violation of New York law," she said... "The only privacy jeopardized by the FCC's continued obstruction of this investigation is that of the perpetrators who impersonated real Americans."

One of the FCC's Democratic commissioners claimed that this response "shows the FCC's sheer contempt for public input and unreasonable failure to support integrity in its process... Moreover, the FCC refuses to look into how nearly half a million comments came from Russian sources."

164 comments

  1. Fraud detected. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They're covering up their fraud by saying "It wasn't important" - but that's not going to fly.

    1. Re: Fraud detected. by TheReaperD · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Who gives a shit?"

      Apparently the NY Attorney General's office. If they consider it important enough to launch an investigation. Now, there might be nothing but, it sounds like there's already been enough evidence to show massive identity theft. Even though it is ID theft of FCC comments is relatively trivial, it is still ID theft and carries stiff penalties. These are the crimes that the attorney general wants to investigate and the current FCC chairman wants to bury.

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    2. Re: Fraud detected. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Who gives a shit?"

      Apparently the NY Attorney General's office.

      It is all a publicity stunt. The NYS AG knows he has no standing. But "fighting for the people" looks good on a campaign sticker.

    3. Re:Fraud detected. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It isn't important. The comments are only that: comments. They aren't votes, they don't have any legal standing. Who gives a shit? There's probably millions of bot-posted comments both for and against NN that were submitted to the site. Everyone knows this and it's why none of the comments should be given any gravity in the matter.

      And "russian sources"? Please.. Like it's some cloak and dagger shit to point your post-script at a fucking VPN. Christ, this crap is amateur hour.

      Exactly, nobody cares other than a few slashdot types. Get over it. Its just a bunch of comments, 95% either copied and/or written by someone largely ignorant in relevant matters.

    4. Re: Fraud detected. by ClickOnThis · · Score: 4, Informative

      It is all a publicity stunt. The NYS AG knows he has no standing. But "fighting for the people" looks good on a campaign sticker.

      No standing? That's debatable. From TFS:

      my Spitalnick, Schneiderman's press secretary, said in a statement that the FCC "made clear that it will continue to obstruct a law enforcement investigation. It's easy for the FCC to claim that there's no problem with the process, when they're hiding the very information that would allow us to determine if there was a problem. To be clear, impersonation is a violation of New York law," she said... "The only privacy jeopardized by the FCC's continued obstruction of this investigation is that of the perpetrators who impersonated real Americans."

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    5. Re: Fraud detected. by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      That's Amy Spitalnick. Sorry for missing "A" in the copy-paste.

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    6. Re:Fraud detected. by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

      At least a more creative excuse than "Chinese hoax" or "fake news".

    7. Re:Fraud detected. by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What is then the point of providing a means of public comment when the comments mean nothing? Seeking public comment ought to be part of the decision process because the penpushers at the FCC have shown not just recently, but for a long time that they have no clue what they are controlling or deciding on. In the current case it is blatantly obvious that big corp has massively influenced the decision process and dictated federal regulation that serves only one purpose: give a card blanche to ISPs to charge extra for everything. The proposed changes destroy the Internet. If these changes come into effect we the Internet users need to find reliable partners with deep pockets who fund an entirely independent infrastructure that essentially reinstates the neutrality rules.

    8. Re: Fraud detected. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      To be clear, the AG isn't challenging the FCC on net neutrality. On that, you are right -- NY cannot override the FCC. This, however, is about a crime committed against NY citizens on the FCC's website. If someone had threatened to kill someone via that medium, the AG would absolutely have the right to request records to investigate. Just because this is a less severe crime does not dilute the AG's standing to investigate it.

    9. Re:Fraud detected. by omnichad · · Score: 1

      And furthermore, the FCC seems to be pointing out one side's fake comments to paint a picture that the common man is actually in favor of what they are doing. Even if the FCC has the authority to do whatever they want anyway, they can still try to avoid further backlash by claiming a lack of controversy.

    10. Re:Fraud detected. by fafalone · · Score: 1

      Well really they're just telling the truth. They decided to kill NN and fuck what the public thought. It won't matter if 100% of the anti-NN comments are fraudulent, because their minds are made up already. It's like Pai's "it's funny because it's true" I'm-a-shill joke.

    11. Re:Fraud detected. by lessthan · · Score: 1

      The point is, if this had gone perfectly (for the FCC), it would have looked like they had allowed comment and that the public had come down on the side of doing away with NN. Us malcontents would get angry and blame each other, not the FCC. Even now, with this confusion, they get to act like they have every reason to believe that the public comment went their way. By now, of course, it gives them the look of a child with their eyes closed and ears stopped up shouting "Nuh-uh!" but they still have that veneer. They get to look saintly while acting like sinners. Of course, the above is filtered through my bias against pro-corporation/radical-free-market-ism.

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    12. Re:Fraud detected. by Frobnicator · · Score: 1

      Well really they're just telling the truth. They decided to kill NN and fuck what the public thought. It won't matter if 100% of the anti-NN comments are fraudulent, because their minds are made up already. It's like Pai's "it's funny because it's true" I'm-a-shill joke.

      Yup. The fake comments won't affect the proposal. The real comments won't affect the proposal. The comments were a formality, not something they cared about.

      Agencies are required to publish rule changes, and they're required to accept public comments for a time. But ultimately: "This process is not like a ballot initiative or an up-or-down vote in a legislature. An agency is not permitted to base its final rule on the number of comments in support of the rule over those in opposition to it. At the end of the process, the agency must base its reasoning and conclusions on the rulemaking record, consisting of the comments, scientific data, expert opinions, and facts accumulated during the pre-rule and proposed rule stages."

      They can choose to modify the rule if there are persuasive new arguments in the comments, they can also choose to retract or modify the rule due to public outcry, but they are not obligated to do either.

      Only a new law or presidential directive can force the agency to modify the rules if they won't change it themselves. That's why the big push to contact legislators.

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    13. Re:Fraud detected. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is then the point of providing a means of public comment when the comments mean nothing?

      Same as elections, it's camouflage to give the public the appearance that their opinion matters. That illusion lets them keep power

    14. Re:Fraud detected. by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

      What is then the point of providing a means of public comment when the comments mean nothing?

      It's all about perception. You know, like the TSA with security.

  2. Get em New York! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just like those giants.

  3. Barking up the wrong tree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It doesn't matter if any comments were faked or not. The FCC is not using any of the comments in their decision. The only comments that matter to them are those from Verizon et al.

    1. Re:Barking up the wrong tree by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It doesn't matter here. What matters is that the NY AG is investigating a criminal impersonation and the FCC is obstructing justice.

    2. Re:Barking up the wrong tree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      The only comments that matter to them are those from Verizon et al.

      Those were instructions not comments.

    3. Re:Barking up the wrong tree by gtall · · Score: 3, Insightful

      More accurately, the only comments that matter to Pai are the ones from his future employer.

    4. Re:Barking up the wrong tree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It doesn't matter here. What matters is that the NY AG is investigating a criminal impersonation and the FCC is obstructing justice.

      I agree. Sure the FCC doesn't have to care about the comments. That is the result of losing an election.

      Still, if there is an investigation into fraud then they should cooperate. Even if the low life political appointment at the FCC honestly don't give a damn about the comments, if people's identities have been stolen, then you have to assume that the thieves are going to continue to use those identities for bad purposes.

      Basically Trump's government is now aiding and abetting crime by obstructing justice. Nothing new there I suppose. Maybe Mueller can tack on another charge.

      Then again, I don't think this Senate, nor any Senate we are apt to get in the next three years is likely to convict and remove the chief criminal, though perhaps if enough charges are brought and enough actual facts are pointed out, maybe we can be sure this crap ends, for a little while at least.

    5. Re:Barking up the wrong tree by Xyrus · · Score: 0

      Par for the course with the current #predophile administration and it's general contempt for law. The authoritarians have already won. It's just going to take a few more months before everyone else figures this out.

      Oh, and the revolution won't be televised or on the internet. Comcast, Verizon, etc. will make damn sure of that.

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  4. reality isn't cooperating by Revek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So they are making their own. Freedom for the few and higher cost for the masses.

    1. Re:reality isn't cooperating by Holi · · Score: 1

      And I hope you white nationalist racists are ready to be cut.

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  5. Consequences or Endless Loop by ohnocitizen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Either we break up the companies doing this, fine them, and punish the individuals (why isn't regulatory capture a federal felony?) - they will just keep attacking the foundations of the internet every chance they get.

    1. Re:Consequences or Endless Loop by Baron_Yam · · Score: 5, Interesting

      >Either we break up the companies doing this

      You need a new anti-monopoly law that doesn't depend on investigating complaints. I like the idea of raising their taxation based on their market share.

      And then you have to nationalize common infrastructure, because it's really a bad idea to have every private company laying their own fiber or cable just like it'd be a bad idea if all roads were toll roads and different companies were not allowed to connect to each other.

      Something tells me both those ideas run very much contrary to deeply-held American economic ideals and will never happen.

    2. Re:Consequences or Endless Loop by RazorSharp · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I like the idea of raising their taxation based on their market share.

      Me too. This is the type of tax reform I could get behind. It would discourage large corporate mergers because, if the merger were to jump them up to a way higher tax bracket, it wouldn't make sense to merge.

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    3. Re:Consequences or Endless Loop by Maritz · · Score: 1

      You aren't going to see any pro-consumer action or legislation for a long time, if ever. The people running things now only want you to know your place, peasant.

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    4. Re:Consequences or Endless Loop by dwpro · · Score: 1

      Seems like this would encourage vertical integration, which I don't see as that much better. If the policy somehow addressed that issue and prevented the walled garden eventuality, I could get behind it.

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    5. Re:Consequences or Endless Loop by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      I like the idea of raising their taxation based on their market share.

      Wouldn’t that just favor their current approach of carving out regional monopolies that don’t compete with one another? None has more than X%, yet all have complete dominion over their little fiefdom.

      Don’t get me wrong, I like the idea of creative yet simple approaches to taxation, but I’m not convinced this one would work in practice.

    6. Re:Consequences or Endless Loop by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      I've posted this idea before, this was an overly simplified version.

      You'd likely end up with a fair amount of lawyer-ese to cover such situations, as well as problems like new products or businesses that are (naturally) a monopoly for a period of time.

    7. Re:Consequences or Endless Loop by RazorSharp · · Score: 1

      I guess that's true, but I'm not sure vertical integration is a bad thing if there's a diverse marketplace. Furthermore, in such a marketplace the market itself may discourage vertical integration as most firms have to be a pretty big player to make vertical integration cost effective.

      It's a valid concern, though. I guess that's the challenge of economics. The only way to test a hypothesis is to do it and then you discover what the unintended consequences are. Politically, this type of experimentation is discouraged because no politician wants to admit they were wrong.

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  6. FAKE NEWS RULES!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From Glenn Greenwald (yeah, the same guy who helped Edward Snowden publish his whistleblowing documents..):

    The U.S. Media Yesterday Suffered its Most Humiliating Debacle in Ages: Now Refuses All Transparency Over What Happened

    Friday was one of the most embarrassing days for the U.S. media in quite a long time. The humiliation orgy was kicked off by CNN, with MSNBC and CBS close behind, with countless pundits, commentators and operatives joining the party throughout the day. By the end of the day, it was clear that several of the nation’s largest and most influential news outlets had spread an explosive but completely false news story to millions of people, while refusing to provide any explanation of how it happened.

    The spectacle began on Friday morning at 11:00 am EST, when the Most Trusted Name in News spent 12 straight minutes on air flamboyantly hyping an exclusive bombshell report that seemed to prove that WikiLeaks, last September, had secretly offered the Trump campaign, even Donald Trump himself, special access to the DNC emails before they were published on the internet. As CNN sees the world, this would prove collusion between the Trump family and WikiLeaks and, more importantly, between Trump and Russia, since the U.S. intelligence community regards WikiLeaks as an “arm of Russian intelligence,” and therefore, so does the U.S. media.

    This entire revelation was based on an email which CNN strongly implied it had exclusively obtained and had in its possession. The email was sent by someone named “Michael J. Erickson” – someone nobody had heard of previously and whom CNN could not identify – to Donald Trump, Jr., offering a decryption key and access to DNC emails that WikiLeaks had “uploaded.” The email was a smoking gun, in CNN’s extremely excited mind, because it was dated September 4 – ten days before WikiLeaks began promoting access to those emails online – and thus proved that the Trump family was being offered special, unique access to the DNC archive: likely by WikiLeaks and the Kremlin.

    It’s impossible to convey with words what a spectacularly devastating scoop CNN believed it had, so it’s necessary to watch it for yourself to see the tone of excitement, breathlessness and gravity the network conveyed as they clearly believed they were delivering a near-fatal blow on the Trump/Russia collusion story:

    There was just one small problem with this story: it was fundamentally false, in the most embarrassing way possible. Hours after CNN broadcast its story – and then hyped it over and over and over – the Washington Post reported that CNN got the key fact of the story wrong.

    The email was not dated September 4, as CNN claimed, but rather September 14 – which means it was sent after WikiLeaks had already published access to the DNC emails online. Thus, rather than offering some sort of special access to Trump, “Michael J. Erickson” was simply some random person from the public encouraging the Trump family to look at the publicly available DNC emails that WikiLeaks – as everyone by then already knew – had publicly promoted. In other words, the email was the exact opposite of what CNN presented it as being.

    ...

    It’s hard to quantify exactly how many people were deceived – filled with false news and propaganda – by the CNN story. But thanks to Democratic-loyal journalists and operatives who decree every Trump/Russia claim to be true without seeing any evidence, it’s certainly safe to say that many hundreds of thousands of people, almost certainly millions, were exposed to these false claims.

    No "fake news"?!?!?

    Cut the crap. The media doesn't even bother claiming it was "fake but accurate" anymore.

    1. Re:FAKE NEWS RULES!! by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Critical of Orange Freak = fake news

      Praises Orange Freak = true and real

      Gotcha.

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  7. He's not lying by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The FCC guy is right, though. Millions of fake comments had no bearing on the outcome at all, which was preordained.

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    1. Re:He's not lying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In that case it eliminates the comments as a prerequisite to satisfying the rules of the FCC changing their policy... which should render the policy change illegal and unauthorized.

    2. Re: He's not lying by TheReaperD · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Even if it had no effect on the outcome, evidence shows massive, organized identity theft, which is a crime regardless of how much impact it had on the process.

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    3. Re: He's not lying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is not the fault of the FCC. They can turn over records to the DOJ and FBI. But the NY state attorney general is performing a witch hunt and has no jurisdiction.

      We all know the ultimate goal is to further delegitimize the Trump administration - let's not pretend otherwise.

    4. Re: He's not lying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No jurisdiction? How come? They are looking for people impersonating New York citizens. Where do you mean that the NY state attorney general should have jurisdiction?

      As for the delegitimizing claim – they do it so well themselves, no need to help them. Anyone not ruled by blind hatred see that already.

    5. Re:He's not lying by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      In that case it eliminates the comments as a prerequisite to satisfying the rules of the FCC changing their policy

      No, it just eliminates the need to waste a bunch of time and tax dollars reporting on untold thousands of identical copy/paste spam comments.

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    6. Re:He's not lying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which potentially used stolen identities and broke federal and state law[s]... so yes it would be a terrible waste of tax dollars if there were an investigation revealing that this was not the case.

      It would not be a waste if the state were to use tax dollars to identify crimes and to enforce the law.

    7. Re:He's not lying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly so either way homeland security should arrest their asses as Terrorists. And seeing as the Patriot Act is still in effect I hope they waterboard the hell out of that Ajit guy.

  8. He asked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's step one. He can still file a subpoena or FOIA

    1. Re:He asked by Njorthbiatr · · Score: 1

      The FCC won't comply with FOIA. They just ignore it. The only way to get the comments is to subpoena them and have an injunction filed preventing them from moving forward with any new net neutrality changes.

    2. Re:He asked by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The FCC won't comply with FOIA. They just ignore it. The only way to get the comments is to subpoena them ...

      Depends. Does the FCC have the same management style as Georgia Election officials?

      A server and its backups, believed to be key to a pending federal lawsuit filed against Georgia election officials, was thoroughly deleted according to e-mails recently released under a public records request.

      The new e-mails, which were sent by the Coalition for Good Governance to Ars, show that Chris Dehner, one of the Information Security staffers, e-mailed his boss, Stephen Gay, to say that the two backup servers had been "degaussed three times."

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    3. Re:He asked by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      You mean where the FBI had a backup and the deletion of the original was part of standard operating procedure and there was literally no reason or obligation to keep the original?

      What was the point in linking that example?

    4. Re:He asked by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      The records are supposed to be preserved in the case of litigation, furthermore, the Election Commission was given notice and they destroyed the records anyway. So, not standard operating procedure, willful destruction of evidence.

      Marilyn Marks, the executive director of the Coalition, a group that is also a plaintiff in the lawsuit, told Ars that she had issued a litigation hold notice to the defendants.

      "They know that they are required to preserve all records when they are sued," she e-mailed. "They don’t need court order. Even IF the SOS office didn’t have three dozen attorneys to tell them to preserve the records, they got this attached letter from us on July 10 and destroyed the second server hard drive on August 9."

      Fortunately, it looks like the FBI may have a forensic backup of the data - as noted in "UPDATE 11:40pm ET" at the end of the article.

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    5. Re:He asked by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      ... There was no fortunately about it. The FBI recommended what be done with the original.

      Again, the FBI had a backup, recommended original re-purpose, all was within standard procedures for a server to be discontinued, and there was no obligation, legal or otherwise, to keep the original. Congrats, any subpoena can get the data... What's the controversy?

      You didn't add anything new. If the FCC has the same "management" style it would lawful with backups for other investigations. ... What is the point in linking that story?

  9. scandal by e**(i+pi)-1 · · Score: 2

    It is a scandal that such a group can make such important decisions and that the congress is not taking action. It is very likely that the vote on December 14 will just follow the recommendation of its chairman and that the comments of the public are completely ignored. Instead, there is a lot of PR: there was a recent comment by Ken Engelhart in the New York times with the title "Why Concerns About Net Neutrality Are Overblown" Well Engelhat had been a Telecom guy for 25 years. Well what ever helps old friends ... It looks not good. If one believes this article then the only remaining hope would be the courts.

    1. Re:scandal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are only doing this because senator Amidala threatened to call a vote of no confidence if they proved themselves incapable of action.

      It's such a catch-22. We don't want any institution to be so powerful that it can just decide to do things we don't like, without giving us a chance of shutting it down. But once we make it fully accountable to the public, the weighty layers of bureaucracy combined with the fact that every single decision stimulates a significant chunk of the population to shout "don't!" means that it can't accomplish anything at all.

      No matter who wins, we lose.

    2. Re:scandal by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      It is a scandal that such a group can make such important decisions and that the congress is not taking action.

      No, the scandal is that the FCC under Obama put an executive policy into place that was directly at odds with the specific wishes of congress. Undoing that Obama admin fiat is putting things back into line with the law. I suppose you were also complaining when NN was put into place, for the same reasons? No? Gotcha.

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    3. Re:scandal by LiENUS · · Score: 2

      No, the scandal is that the FCC under Obama put an executive policy into place that was directly at odds with the specific wishes of congress.

      What? Why did they pass the telecommunications act of 1996 that explicitly empowers the FCC to enact network neutrality then?

      Undoing that Obama admin fiat is putting things back into line with the law. I suppose you were also complaining when NN was put into place, for the same reasons? No? Gotcha.

      But the law explicitly empowers the fcc to enact network neutrality, undoing the ruling doesn't put things back in line with the law, in fact the courts are saying that title ii regulation is the only way forward while the FCC is claiming its the FTCs job. This is an attempt by the FCC to get out of following the law as congress specifically enacted it.

    4. Re:scandal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "No, the scandal is that the FCC under Obama put an executive policy into place that was directly at odds with the specific wishes of congress"

      The wishes of the republican controlled congress at the time was "Veto anything that black man puts in front of our desk."

      It's pretty much the same with Trump who's primary aim is "undo anything that black man managed to get done."

  10. The FCC needs to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many millions of Slashdot comments come from Russian sources.

    1. Re:The FCC needs to know by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 4, Funny

      And how many dozens do you think come from Canada?

      And more importantly, how will you be able to detect those, eh?

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    2. Re:The FCC needs to know by omnichad · · Score: 1

      I think you vastly overestimate the popularity of this site.

    3. Re:The FCC needs to know by dwpro · · Score: 1

      No doubt, but I really would love to have someone keeping an eye on state actors (especially our own) that are doing massive psy-ops campaigns. The NSA leaks show that even /. was on the radar. Perhaps the FCC isn't the right organization, but I would certainly appreciate a report on those activities to help color my view of the ideas shared on sites such as this. I notice (or think I do) that on certain types of stories, there are a barrage of comments meant to scatter meaningful discussion, particularly on stories that would be of interest to Russia.

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    4. Re:The FCC needs to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *slow clap*

  11. Re:"unduly burdensome" by Njorthbiatr · · Score: 2

    DELETE FROM comments;

    Whoops you meant a select? Well they're all gone now.

  12. Lol by burtosis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There was never even a need to do more than have a period for public comments. A lot of the spam is from adversarial interests against the general American population, such as ISPs, Russia, etc. I've seen all the recent interviews with Ajit, the guy looks like a sociopath just dribbling brain diarrhea hoping to muddy the waters just enough to flee with the illicit billions about to be reaped from America. The man has stone cold glee in his eyes, there was never a sideways fart given about non legal tender arguments. The real damage, though, is the anti-competitive, anti-trust no consumer protection, content and provider monopolies, and freedom to censor anything nonsense that is likely to follow. It won't end until they are held accountable, so at this rate never.

    1. Re:Lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually there is a need to do more than that.

      You can see how this process is explicitly defined here: https://www.federalregister.gov/uploads/2011/01/the_rulemaking_process.pdf

    2. Re:Lol by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 4, Informative

      A lot of the spam is from adversarial interests against the general American population, such as ISPs, Russia, etc.

      That may have different implications than you think. Per page 13 of this analysis of the comments, there were 444,938 comments submitted from Russia, and 444,925 of them were pro-NN.

      The entire comment database is freely available for download if you'd like to check for yourself.

    3. Re:Lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's Russia's standard method of operation though. They seek to inflame debates, not weigh in on them. So they will support both sides of an argument, or the weaker/anti-government side of the argument, just to make people lose faith with each other and with their government. This is a pretty good description of it. Russia doesn't actually care who "wins" the argument, only that the argument is as divisive and fractious as possible.

    4. Re:Lol by dwpro · · Score: 1
      consider the source:

      Broadband for America members include AT&T, CenturyLink, Charter, CTIA – The Wireless Association, Comcast, Cox, NCTA – The Internet & Television Association, Telecommunications Industry Association (TIA), and USTelecom Association.

      Of course, that doesn't mean the analysis is automatically bunk, but it certainly does raise alarms. That 444,938 number you quote is based on the analysis that assumes that people were honest on the 'international address' field. Any meaningful analysis would have to go quite a bit deeper than trusting the address that someone put in. The company doing the analysis acknowledges this, noting:

      lack of user authentication by ECFS makes it difficult to determine genuine comment submissions . Emprata was also not able to authenticate the filer, address, email, or comment data used for this analysis, nor the methods used to collect those data elements . As a result, it is very difficult to draw any definitive conclusions from the comments found in the docket . Any conclusions that one might draw from the data would be based on the subset of data that they considered to be real.

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    5. Re:Lol by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 1

      consider the source: . . . Of course, that doesn't mean the analysis is automatically bunk, but it certainly does raise alarms.

      Which is one of the reasons I pointed out that the data source is freely downloadable (and has been digested and reposted online by at least one source I've seen in passing). Point being, there are enough eyes on the data behind this highly-charged subject that if any of the multiple reports on this data were fudging anything, I'm confident someone would have quite cheerfully pointed that out a long time ago.

      Any meaningful analysis would have to go quite a bit deeper than trusting the address that someone put in.

      But once you go there, isn't the only realistic option to just throw out the entire database since there was no validation process in place whatsoever? That actually would be fine with me since, as I've said many times, this wasn't a ballot box, and so which people "voted" which way could by definition have no bearing on the outcome. But to the extent people like OP want to try to draw conclusions from the data, this sort of thing is what the data tells us.

  13. Rulemaking is not a popularity contest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Regardless of what one thinks about the issues, the FCC does not (should not) vote based solely on how many comments one side or the other gets.

    The point of asking for comments is certainly to gauge sentiments, but more importantly, to discover issues/constituencies the FCC staff did not consider in their evaluation of the impacts. Almost all the comments on this issue were just the same thing (nothing new to see there), although a few raised issues that did deserve FCC staff evaluation/response(s).

  14. Not a vote by Orgasmatron · · Score: 1

    In case some of you missed it, the public input wasn't a vote. It doesn't matter who or how many said they wanted it or they should get rid of it. The public comment period was seeking novel legal arguments.

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    1. Re:Not a vote by fafalone · · Score: 1

      The public comment period was seeking novel legal arguments.

      Yeah, so they could formulate arguments against them to defend their predetermined position, not so they could actually consider them.

  15. Sue them by no-body · · Score: 1

    all the way to the US Supreme Court and then see, what this whole system is worth...

    1. Re:Sue them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since Net Neutrality was never a law, and was never passed by Congress, what makes you think the challenge would even make it to the SCOTUS? On what basis?

    2. Re:Sue them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're looking for who was bribed. The SCOTUS refusal to hear it provides the information well enough. If a state can implicate multiple Supreme Court justices with bribery ...

  16. The FCC is acting in accord with the law here by volkris · · Score: 2

    The FCC is pointing out the rules under which it's legally obligated to operate.

    This notice and comment procedure is specified in law, and the FCC cannot legally deviate from it. Under the law, neither numbers of comments nor identities of commenters really matter. A regulatory body is required to address concerns raised in comments as they make their rules, but it doesn't matter who is bringing those concerns so long as they're addressed.

    The FCC is merely pointing out that there is a legal process here, and the NY State suit isn't exactly in line with the federal law.

    YES, there have been so many articles going around the internet that suggest this is some sort of voting process, that sending in form comments matter, but legally they do not. The FCC gets its orders from Congress, not from people submitting comments on the internet. Those articles were pretty damaging, misleading people about how this part of the US government is designed to operate, and leading them to misunderstand when things don't actually go the way they're told they should go.

    So we're at a place where we need to correct that misinformation. People who are interested in the functioning of a body like the FCC now need to know just how the notice and comment process works.

    By law numbers and identities don't matter for notice and comment, exactly as the FCC is pointing out. NY State should probably stop joining in on that rhetorical bandwagon suggesting otherwise.

    1. Re:The FCC is acting in accord with the law here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Can you provide a quote to support your assertion that NY state has suggested what you claim they have?

      It appears to me that they've likewise pointed out the rules under which the state as well as federal agencies are legally obligated to operate.

    2. Re:The FCC is acting in accord with the law here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NY State should probably stop joining in on that rhetorical bandwagon suggesting otherwise.

      New York State is actually investigating the stolen identities used to submit comments to the FCC.

      You know, an actual crime of falsehood. Impersonation. Deception.

      I get it though, you want to be on record as being indifferent to such activities.

    3. Re:The FCC is acting in accord with the law here by volkris · · Score: 1

      "It's easy for the FCC to claim that there's no problem with the process, when they're hiding the very information that would allow us to determine if there was a problem."

      The reason there's no problem with the process here is that the information at hand has nothing at all to do with the process.

      NY State is suggesting otherwise, contrary to the Administrative Procedure Act.

    4. Re:The FCC is acting in accord with the law here by volkris · · Score: 1

      I'd say their language suggests otherwise, even here where they suggest stolen identities would have interfered with the FCC rulemaking process. By law it would not.

      So maybe I'm misinterpreting NY's comments. Fine, but let's just be clear that investigation of stolen identities is one thing, but it doesn't affect the rulemaking itself.

    5. Re:The FCC is acting in accord with the law here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Incorrect.
      NY is asserting that people falsified their identities when posting FCC comments.
      Some of those people were from NY.
      They want to investigate it, but the FCC is not obstructing the investigation.

    6. Re:The FCC is acting in accord with the law here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It's easy for the FCC to claim that there's no problem with the process, when they're hiding the very information that would allow us to determine if there was a problem."

      If crimes were committed during the process of collecting public comment, whether by third parties or by the FCC itself (although NY State has not claimed such) that is a problem with the process. What NY State has stated is that the FCC is deliberately refusing to hand over information which would allow NY State to determine whether actors involved in the process were committing crimes.

      If you are personally inclined to "read between the lines" and interpret NY State's statement of fact as a loaded statement implying something that it does not explicitly state, that is your problem.

    7. Re:The FCC is acting in accord with the law here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd say their language suggests otherwise, even here where they suggest stolen identities would have interfered with the FCC rulemaking process. By law it would not.

      You haven't demonstrated either the first or the second. For the first, notice even your only attempt to quote them is responsive, not initiative. You should have quoted the demand letter instead. You didn't. For the second, you know that relies on the rule-making being aboveboard, which is not a given, but rather a requirement of demonstration.

      Sorry, but that's the way the law works. It's a fundamental principle of the Constitution.

      So maybe I'm misinterpreting NY's comments. Fine, but let's just be clear that investigation of stolen identities is one thing, but it doesn't affect the rulemaking itself.

      Then you'll need to change your behavior. If you want to be clear, then you have to show it. Release the information, and then you won't have a problem. Try to conceal it, then you'll be...increasing the perception that there is a problem.

      Unfortunately, you already have, thereby discrediting yourself. Thus I suggest instead, you resign from the FCC, and turn state's evidence. Confess. You will be given a prison cell, and treated appropriately. This is the only acceptable remedy for you now.

    8. Re:The FCC is acting in accord with the law here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's all about "Power and Frequency" my fellow non-cucked nerds, and so what do you know of these things?

      https://www.reddit.com/r/The_D...

    9. Re:The FCC is acting in accord with the law here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that were true why woudln't NY just download the information they want? Someone linked above. NY doesn't need the FCC to get the information they want.

    10. Re:The FCC is acting in accord with the law here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The FCC is pointing out the rules under which it's legally obligated to operate...The FCC is merely pointing out that there is a legal process here, and the NY State suit isn't exactly in line with the federal law.

      It may not be in line with THE federal law you are referring to, but it certainly is in line with federal law. Since the 1980's, the infringement of fundamental rights under the colour of law has been grounds for suit in federal court. If NY state residents are being impersonated, that is an infringement of their rights. The action of the FCC in hiding the details is a further infringement of the rights of these people - and one being done under the colour of law.

      It is thus quite appropriate (and consistent with federal law) for NY state to bring suit on behalf of it's residents.

      The FCC is just fortunate that NY didn't ask the justice department that criminal charges be brought, since the infringement of fundamental rights under the colour of law has also been a criminal offence under federal law - and this was true long before they added the civil procedure.

      There's also a freedom of information act coming into play here ...

      In short, the FCC is NOT acting in accord with the law here.

  17. FOIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wouldn't this basically be a Freedom of Information Act violation? A pretty wanton one at that. Plus, what happened to the idea of states rights that conservatives are always going on about? Why shouldn't/couldn't a state act as an additional check on potential abuses of federal authority?

    Hopefully the NYAG Office will file a complaint in a federal court to try to force compliance. Maybe they can even get an emergency injunction on the net neutrality vote. I hate to say that just because the FCC doesn't want to fork over records means they are hiding something, because there may be legitimate reasons for the refusal, but they haven't managed to articulate a single one so far. Add to that the way Pai has run the FCC over the last year, and how he exploited loopholes to hang around long after his term ended so that Trump could make him the Chairman... There's a foul stench coming from the State of Denmark, to modify a turn of phrase from The Bard. Maybe it's just Pai and the organization slowly rotting from the head down, maybe there's more.

  18. Unscandal by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 2

    It is a scandal that such a group can make such important decisions and that the congress is not taking action.

    Except that congress stated explicitly that the internet not be regulated, and ditching NN brings the FCC in line with what congress wanted.

    1. Re:Unscandal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Precisely. Net Neutrality will be killed, regardless of how the public feels about it.

      Our *actual* only hope is this:

      1) there are several first-class citizens who want net neutrality, such as facebook, netflix, google, etc. They can throw their wealth behind the goal of getting it re-instated after it is destroyed.

      2) Once it is gone, internet service prices will immediately go up, and performance will immediately drop. This will be painful enough for the public that it will actually motivate them to get up and expend meaningful effort at getting the laws re-instated (no, posting an opinion on a website does not count as meaningful effort).

      The combination of these two things will ensure that the major provisions of Net Neutrality get re-instated after a period of suffering.

    2. Re:Unscandal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So Congress likes to fuck itself?

      The FCC made a public statement admitting that there was evidence of Russian tampering. By law, federal agencies are supposed to investigate and publicly report to Congress in such cases. If the (Trump appointed) FCC commissioner refuses to do so, Trump is literally telling Congress to go fuck itself because he can ignore any law as he sees fit.

    3. Re:Unscandal by pots · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > 2) Once it is gone, internet service prices will immediately go up, and performance will immediately drop. Don't assume that. All the ISPs have to do is wait, and not very long, and people will fail to associate the loss of net neutrality with an increase in prices or a drop in service. It's smaller internet startups who are going to feel the brunt of this for the immediate future, and that's invisible to the public.

    4. Re:Unscandal by pots · · Score: 1
      Bleh. I don't even like Reddit, and here I am commenting like I'm a Redditor. Let me try that again:

      2) Once it is gone, internet service prices will immediately go up, and performance will immediately drop.

      Don't assume that. All the ISPs have to do is wait, and not very long, and people will fail to associate the loss of net neutrality with an increase in prices or a drop in service. It's smaller internet startups who are going to feel the brunt of this for the immediate future, and that's invisible to the public.

    5. Re:Unscandal by LiENUS · · Score: 1

      > Except that congress stated explicitly that the internet not be regulated, and ditching NN brings the FCC in line with what congress wanted.

      When did they? and if so why don't they repeal the telecom act empowering the FCC to enact title II common carrier status? and why is the DMCA still in place if they want the internet to not be regulated? and why is the FCC claiming congress wants the internet regulated by the FTC?

    6. Re:Unscandal by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      The censorship and blocking of content. You're forgetting about that. Once NN is gone Comcast, Verizon, etc. are free to block whatever content they want to block. They don't like a politician, they don't allow that content. They don't like a review site saying they suck. They're gone too. You have a service that competes with the ISP? Whoops, where'd you go?

      Ajit Pai is instrumental in paving the way for Trump and his merry band of neo-fascist to bring in the Fourth Reich. Trump already has a propaganda song in a style straight out of the old Nazi days of Germany.

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    7. Re:Unscandal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love how people like you put this up against Trump and such as things he might do when Google and friends are currently doing it for the left, but that's alright to you.

      Your fears of what Trump might do one day is exactly why you should be furious as to what Google is doing. But I get a feeling people like you only think free speech should only protect the speech you agree with. But as is the nature of the best, all speech, even that which is repulsive, must be protected, else none of it can be protected.

    8. Re:Unscandal by pots · · Score: 1

      Setting aside the fact that Google is not doing what the parent is talking about (Google doesn't have the capability to do that), even if Google were doing it - so what? You're trying to claim that speech should be protected... by allowing for even more censorship?

      If Google were doing it, fine. That's something which needs to be dealt with too. Google and Facebook and Amazon and Microsoft and others certainly are doing some bad things (though not this), and I am completely on board with dealing with them as well. This fact is not an argument against network neutrality.

  19. Re:"unduly burdensome" by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    Undo, UNDO!!! Click! Click! Click!

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  20. Asked for what? (Re:He asked) by mi · · Score: 1

    The FCC won't comply with FOIA.

    WTF? FCC comments are open to anyone and searchable.

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  21. Re:Fuck Communists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do you have any idea how much of that infrastructure is on public land or on land taken by eminent domain? For that matter, do you know how much of it is paid for by tax dollars? The telecoms are very, very happy to take everything they can get "for the public good", but somehow people like you come out of the woodwork screeching about grubby communists!
    Get a grip. Infrastructure can be "nationalized" by simply getting rid of the various laws directly granting monopolies to various telecom companies and building separate competing infrastructure with open access policies. Heck, in some cases, do you think maybe, just maybe, it might be fair play to use eminent domain to take back some of the stuff that was taken from private citizens via eminent domain and given to the telecoms in the first place?

  22. Re:Like the FBI covering for pro-Hillary partisans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What is wrong with you people?

    ...but who are now supposed to be believed because they SAY Michael Flynn lied to them?

    He did lie to them. He said so himself when he put in a guilty plea. Believe me, I'm no big fan of the plea bargaining system in the US because of the way it rolls over the little guy who can't afford expensive lawyers, but Mike Flynn can afford expensive lawyers. That means, in order to plead guilty of this, they must have had him over a barrel. He plead guilty because he was as guilty as sin and they could have crucified him on much worse charges.

  23. Re: "unduly burdensome" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks like you forgot a COMMIT. Unless of course you have auto commit enabled in which, you're fired! ;)

  24. Open Lies by sdinfoserv · · Score: 1

    What we are now seeing the the oligarchy is so emboldened, they are openly saying "screw you citizens, you have no rights, only we have a right to your money".
    The GOP hasn't won an honest election popular vote in 15 years - This open brazenness is just the beginning. The next step is law change. Notice that Trump has filled more Judge seats at this point in his tenure than Obama, Bush or Clinton... The GOP means to change the US in their favor, regardless of the "will of the people". We witnessing the resurgence what in the past was "robber barons" where law is bought and life is cheap.

    1. Re:Open Lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The GOP hasn't won an honest election popular vote in 15 years

      Wow, loosen the tin foil a little Skippy. The brain needs blood at least occasionally to work correctly. There are tens of thousands of congressional, state, and local elections that rebut your claim.

      Notice that Trump has filled more Judge seats at this point in his tenure than Obama, Bush or Clinton...

      Because there have been more vacancies. This is due to more judges retiring. It isn't like Trump waved his hand and created new openings. So what is your point, that Trump was lucky that this happened on his watch?

      The GOP means to change the US in their favor, regardless of the "will of the people".

      And how is that different than what the democrats are trying to do? Each side thinks they are right and are vilifying the other even though they are doing essentially the same thing. Welcome to politics.

    2. Re:Open Lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because there have been more vacancies. This is due to more judges retiring. It isn't like Trump waved his hand and created new openings. So what is your point, that Trump was lucky that this happened on his watch?

      .

      Well, one of them certainly wasn't by luck...

    3. Re:Open Lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One SC justice died on Obama's watch and the GOP made it clear they'd block any choice Obama made whether the choice was conservative or not. He had the right to make the appointment; the GOP-controlled senate said nope wait for Trump to take control.

      So yes, it really is about the GOP.

    4. Re:Open Lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He had the right to make the appointment

      And he made it. No one stopped him. And that is where his power ends under the Constitution.

      the GOP-controlled senate said nope wait for Trump to take control.

      And that is their right under the Constitution. Shitty move, but all within the law.

    5. Re:Open Lies by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      the GOP-controlled senate said nope wait for Trump to take control.

      So yes, it really is about the GOP.

      Except for when it's about Democrats. Because in previous circumstances, the Democrats running the senate proposed blocking any Bush court appointees "so close to the end of his term" as well ... except unlike the Scalia vacancy, the Dems said they considered a year and a half to be the threshold. Get over your hypocritical self.

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    6. Re:Open Lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except for when it's about Democrats. Because in previous circumstances, the Democrats running the senate proposed blocking any Bush court appointees "so close to the end of his term" as well ... except unlike the Scalia vacancy, the Dems said they considered a year and a half to be the threshold. Get over your hypocritical self.

      Oh ScentCone, you know that the history goes much further back when it was the actual Federalists.

      Unless your school education was deficient, is that it? Were you not properly educated in school? Or did you find yourself skipping out to go down to the pond with Opie? Well, better hope you never need to know your Roman Numerals.

    7. Re:Open Lies by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      What seems to be your problem? The GP implies that that specific turn of events (the Senate choosing not to proceed with Obama's last choice for SCOTUS) was "about the GOP." Conveniently pretending that that position on the GOP's part was hardly the first or only example. And you're pretending you can't follow the thread well enough to know that's the context. Stop pretending you're dumb just so you can sound like a scold. It's embarrassing.

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    8. Re:Open Lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What seems to be your problem? The GP implies that that specific turn of events (the Senate choosing not to proceed with Obama's last choice for SCOTUS) was "about the GOP." Conveniently pretending that that position on the GOP's part was hardly the first or only example. And you're pretending you can't follow the thread well enough to know that's the context. Stop pretending you're dumb just so you can sound like a scold. It's embarrassing.

      Oh ScentCone, I know you're just too embarrassed by your ignorance to admit an honest historical perspective begins at the beginning, at least of the country, though honestly, you could even refer to the Declaration of Independence without straying too far from that, and if you wanted to be truly historical, there's antecedents going back to the days of Ancient Greece and Rome, possibly even further. Then once you get to the beginning, there's the rest of the story to consider. For example, the nomination of John J. Crittenden, the nominations of John Tyler, Millard Fillmore, and even the Judicial Circuits Act of 1866. A true picture would necessarily include these events.

      You really should get over your fault-ridden education, you made the choice not to attend school in favor of digging up some crawdads, but you should get over that decision, cease the hypocritical defensiveness, and instead focus on self-improvement. Knowing is more than half the battle, it's the whole battle when it comes to history.

      Now admittedly, your parents, teachers, and the school officials should have addressed this in your misbegotten youth, but we can't fix that, you have to be an empowered individual now yourself. Simple lack of education only goes so far as to excuse you, you have to take responsibility.

    9. Re:Open Lies by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      Obama nominated the Senate refused consent. What seems to be the problem here? How are you redefining consent to get what you want? Sounds rapey

    10. Re:Open Lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obama nominated the Senate refused consent. What seems to be the problem here? How are you redefining consent to get what you want? Sounds rapey

      Actually, the Senate refused to decide anything, that's an abrogation of responsibility. They didn't refuse consent, they refused to take action to advise the President as they are required to do.

      If they'd simply voted the nominee down, for whatever reason, it'd be one thing. A feigned excuse that they can't even take responsibility for, is discrediting their own purported stand, not that we're in any doubt that they were acting purely out of partisan political spite, but they're still refusing to own up to their choices.

      Mitch played it wrong. They should have held hearings, using the Judiciary Committee do so, it'd have made a show of effort, but instead, he totally exposed his own spitefulness. For what purpose? Building the forces of division and acrimony? Well, that's either insane, stupid, insanely stupid, or stupidly insane.

      He's actually lucky Obama didn't decide to push on the subject. All it would have taken is a little exercising of Presidential power, and well Mitch would have been looking really bad. Or even Vice Presidential. You know you messed up when the Vice President of the United States can ruin your plans.

  25. Actual LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I did legitimately Laugh Out Loud when I read the bit about unduly burdensome and possible invasion of privacy. This from the FCC after how they have acted.

  26. Re:Not a real comments period by davecb · · Score: 1

    One asks for public comments to know what the various parts of the pubic wants, to weigh in your deliberations. If you want to pretend to listen but actually ignore the comments, you have a comments period but set rules that exclude the answers you don't wish to hear.

    You can ask for only blue-haired commentators, but that would be a bit obvious. Instead, you might ask for "novel" comments, meaning only those no-one had ever made before[1].

    That should get it down to just things like "Dr Who personally said he disapproved" or "please eat an elephant", which can be ignored on the basis that they're non-responsive. (:-))

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  27. Re: Like the FBI covering for pro-Hillary partisan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gulag FTW!

  28. Most corrupt administration. by fredrated · · Score: 1

    Ever.

  29. "those comments did not affect the review" by SeaFox · · Score: 1

    None of the comments effected the review, whether for or against. The FCC was going to roll back Net Neutrality anyway, so who cares if they did or did not investigate the issue? They have made their lack of morals and accountability abundantly clear.

  30. No transparency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Secret meetings was the tip of the iceberg. This administration has no transparency whatsoever. Even when they do give you info it's at the last minute and illegible.

  31. Re:Fuck Communists by RazorSharp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea — you have your "worker's paradises" to move to.

    And Sweden, Finland, Norway, Switzerland, Canada. . .

    Almost all infrastructure runs through the government anyway, no matter what country you live in. For someone who comes from a "Communism-destroyed" country, you have a poor grasp on what communism really is. You also shouldn't apply some bullshit golden age fallacy to America's past. This country was one of the last to abolish slavery. We had government sanctioned racial segregation until the 1960s. There are neighborhoods known as "food deserts" because you literally can't buy healthy food. I'm glad America's worked out for you, but it doesn't work out for everyone.

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  32. Re:Like the FBI covering for pro-Hillary partisans by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

    He did lie to them. He said so himself when he put in a guilty plea. Believe me, I'm no big fan of the plea bargaining system in the US because of the way it rolls over the little guy who can't afford expensive lawyers, but Mike Flynn can afford expensive lawyers. That means, in order to plead guilty of this, they must have had him over a barrel. He plead guilty because he was as guilty as sin and they could have crucified him on much worse charges.

    Yes, he pleaded guilty probably because he was. But IIRC, The Feds had his son on stuff too. So perhaps it was also a father's love that was part of his motivation.

    The next few months will be fun. 'Scuse me, I need to make some popcorn.

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  33. It's time to END the FCC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The FCC has been screwing with us for years. They've hindered free software developers from obtaining source code for wifi chipsets and fully and properly supporting hardware. The government is also the reason we have the various problems we have today with net neutrality. We shouldn't need net neutrality- but government interfered in the early days of telephone and cable. The government ensured we would not have competition in the market and as time progressed it became nearly impossible for companies to enter a market where a monopoly was already created with or without there being a law in place to prevent new entrants to that market. We need to do more than end the FCC. We need to change the way spectrum is handled such that all parties must share the spectrum. This can be done via the development of new technologies. The airwaves should be turned into a packet switching network where no single party has control. Combining this with a electronic exchange system bandwidth can be divided up fairly amongst any participants following a sane and reasonable algorithm.

  34. Re:Like the FBI covering for pro-Hillary partisans by ScentCone · · Score: 1

    but Mike Flynn can afford expensive lawyers

    How do you figure? By all reports he's now essentially ruined by legal expenses. This wasn't a rich business guy who entered politics, this was a government salary guy.

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  35. Re:Fuck Communists by the_bard17 · · Score: 1

    Then stop the glut of local and state governments creating a monopoly on service providers by allowing one provider to string cable on poles and no others. Prevent the same governments from preventing municipality-owned service providers as well.

    You want to get the government out of infrastructure? Get them out then.

    'Til then, you're nothing but a fascist fool destroying what's left of America.

  36. Re:Fuck Communists by mi · · Score: 1

    Then stop the glut of local and state governments creating a monopoly on service providers

    I'd very very much like to stop that "glut". Yes. For years I've been reposting this link

    you're nothing but a fascist fool destroying what's left of America.

    You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means.

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  37. Re: "unduly burdensome" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks like you forgot a COMMIT. Unless of course you have auto commit enabled in which, you're fired! ;)

    In Soviet America you fire COMMITs.

  38. It's just incredible. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The general level of incompetence in this government is astounding...It's like one long, 4-year (or 8?) face palm. The next government is going to have quite a mess to cleanup on its plate.

  39. The Inmates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The inmates are running the asylum. Congrats Trump voters. Instead of draining the swamp you assholes made it 100 times bigger.

  40. Re: "unduly burdensome" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I always have autocommit enabled due to it being the only state that is reliably cross-platform. BEGIN TRANSACTION / COMMIT works just fine but if you leave off BEGIN TRANSACTION it's going to auto-commit.

  41. Re: Fuck Communists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Canada ain't no paradise in that sense, its Telecom is monopolized by about three companies like bell, Rodgers.

  42. Re:Fuck Communists by the_bard17 · · Score: 1

    Please explain how a local government catering to a single provider by preventing all others from hanging/sharing cables and thus providing service, in exchange for kickbacks from that single provider is anything but fascism.

    To quote your linked article:
    "Fascism's distinguishing characteristic is a "mixed economy." Unlike socialists and communists who seek to abolish private business, fascists are content to let business remain in private hands. Instead, fascists use regulations, mandates, and taxes to control business and run (and ruin) the economy. A fascist system, then, is one where private businesses serve politicians and bureaucrats instead of consumers. Does the modern American economy not fit the definition of fascism?"

    Nationalizing the infrastructure doesn't work if it leads to the same situation we're in now, with most of the country being served by one broadband provider. Nationalizing the infrastructure does work if it leads to increased competition amongst multiple broadband providers. However we solve this particular issue, by nationalizing the infrastructure or some other way... it comes down to that. Limiting competition is bad for the consumer, and encouraging competition is good.

  43. The real story here is..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The NY AG is investigating.

    The FCC is not complying.

    Court orders will be coming.

    If need be no knock warrants.

    oh Pai, you are a supposed to be a lawyer, so you know these things won't end well with your noncompliance.

    (bonus points if you find the giggity joke)

  44. The usual double standards... by Picodon · · Score: 2

    [The FCC's general counsel] added that Schneiderman's request for logs of IP addresses would (...) “raise significant personal privacy concerns.”

    I love that one, coming from the FCC when, to everyone’s surprise, they published (freely downloadable) the full set of comments, complete with not only names, but also e-mail address and (if provided) home address of their authors.

  45. Re:Fuck Communists by RazorSharp · · Score: 2

    Not sure, why you listed these

    I listed them because they're countries that implement heavy socialist policies and yet for the average citizen they're much better places to live.

    are barely at the America's wealth

    Wealth is relative. If you're talking about GDP then it would be a better comparison to look at the EU vs. the U.S. than individual countries in the EU. I think if you look at the poorest of the poor in those countries vs. the poorest of the poor in the U.S., you'll see a stark difference.

    despite not maintaining a military worth a damn

    How exactly is this relevant?

    Collective ownership of the means of production — that's what it means. And every time you nationalize something — as the asshole above proposed — you get closer and closer towards that.

    There's nothing inherently wrong with such an economic model. The problem with Venezuela, Cuba, and North Korea are their totalitarian leaders. Sure, a totally centralized economy probably doesn't work well. China has learned that. But neither does the opposite extreme of laissez-faire. Some things work better when the government controls them and some things work better left to the free market. Some things work best on the free market yet highly scrutinized by government regulation. When you become an absolutist when it comes to economic models, you cease to search for pragmatic solutions. That's when economies tank.

    It remains the magnet

    Just because other countries have it worse off than the U.S. doesn't mean that vast improvement cannot be made. Lots of immigrants flock to France, too, and they also could improve things. I don't hold Venezuela as the standard to which my country ought to be judged. I look at the Scandinavian countries and wonder why, despite having so much less national wealth, their education system is so much better and their poor don't live in conditions that actually are comparable to Venezuela. Oh, yeah, because we spend like a third of our budget on that stupid military you're so impressed with.

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  46. Re:Fuck Communists by omnichad · · Score: 1

    By that definition, Obamacare as it was passed is fascist. Not denying it, just point it out. Socialized medicine seems less evil by a mile.

  47. Regulator Capture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know if it fits the definition when it was handed to them by the governing body and pressed into that mindset.

    Honestly, I believe the FCC is a reflection of the ruling body and Tom Wheeler was a good example of that. His early career mindset was fairly similar to the current administration. At some point, he was 180'd on his platform and told to do good. As a company man, he did the best he could with the administrative direction.

    Wheeler was a scumbag turned friend of the people. Unfortunately, Pit is the same kind of snake, but he has been directed to release all of the shackles on business.

    I don't like it in any case, but I think it's important to keep perspective. Maybe, if every American could choose not to use Comcast then this wouldn't be terrible. However, not many of us have an actual choice in internet providers because of government restrictions. Perhaps it would have been better to improve competition before removing regulations.

    Maybe we should just bring back beheadings.

  48. Who does our government work for? by cpurdy · · Score: 1
    We have to decide whose government this is. Is it owned by Verizon (Ajit Pai's old employer)? Or is it owned by the people?

    The FCC should not have the power to withhold data like this. This is our government. That is our data.

    It just shows you who Ajit Pai is working for. (Hint: Unless you're the CEO of Verizon, Ajit Pai is not working for you.)

  49. If it happened in NY, maybe, but it's pointless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > To be clear, impersonation is a violation of New York law

    Great, now prove that whatever nut wrote out a script in 5 minutes to spam the FCC with comments they ignored did so in violation of the law? Because that's also necessary to establish standing.

    Also, this is kind of a silly thing to press federal charges over. Whoever spammed that was likely inventing names, if someone happened to name their baby ClickOnThis, would you be impersonating them? It gets silly fast. Just like the thought that the government ever cared what we think.

    You want to do actual good? Push for simple, concrete measures that can't be spun very well. Ones like "ISPs must disclose data caps and fees prominently in all advertising" and measures for a few other tricks they're going to scam us with. Then get your local representatives to sponsor such a bill, cutting off the lobbyists one finger at a time.

    Because make no mistake, most actual people are not in favor of getting screwed by ISPs, they lobbyists are trying to make this a partisan thing to divide us on how to respond to them so that we do nothing and they can rob us blind. We can't let them do that. Pick individual dirty tricks, cut them off. Point to them doing that. Get away from giant bills no one reads that get spun into whatever. Yeah, I know, what we had going was good, but the lobbyists won that battle. Don't let them win the war by chasing silly stunts like this. Focus on cutting them off at the pass.

  50. Let's face it by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Let's face it- the fix is in.

    Net neutrality is going to be removed because doing so will allow large corporations to make a shitload of money, AND because it will stifle the free exchange of information (including important political news and information).

    Politicians HATE the fat that ordinary people can use the internet to help track what our government does. They HATE the fact that millions of people can instantly find out what they're doing, and band together to try and effect some change.

    This benefits NO ONE except the mega-corps and politicians, and so they're going to do it no matter what we mere mortals want.

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  51. Re:Fuck Communists by Maritz · · Score: 1

    Yeah. Nothing inherently wrong with Communism — except, wherever implemented in earnest, it leaves millions of dead and the survivors with neither material wealth nor human rights.

    You think Norway is communist?

    lol. You're a stupid cunt mate. Safe to ignore.

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  52. Re:Like the FBI covering for pro-Hillary partisans by Maritz · · Score: 0

    When are you boring cunts going to get over your fixation on this particular old woman? I swear, every criticism Trump responds to it's "but Hillary".

    It's scary that adults in this century are prepared to be this fucking pathetic.

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  53. clever legal weasels - standing, competence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    perhaps the real issue here is the fcc covering up their lack of competence to manage a basic internet information service. The irony hurts. Really, that seems like what this maneuver may accomplish as far as sweeping the key issue under the rug. Just like their handwaving reference to 'our commercial cloud partners' when talking about how their information service will handle the ddos issue. Of course the mind boggling thing is that *presumably* they have effectively the knowledge base of the entire fucking nsa and cia at their disposal, and they still can't do better than pass the buck to their 'commercial cloud partners'. For fuck's sake, when the FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION admits lack of in-house competency to RUN A BASIC WEBSITE, it's pretty clear what the score is. Certainly an interesting 'history of the internet' chapter for some long future academic text...

  54. The Equivalence Principle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To paraphrase Einstein:

    Since we can't find any difference between what government officials do and what corrupt stooges do then we are justified in treating government officials the same as corrupt stooges.

  55. Re:If it happened in NY, maybe, but it's pointless by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

    I've heard of many instances where people's names and cities match. These aren't just randomly generated, but some database of people that someone obtained and used to submit anti-Net Neutrality comments in those people's names.

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  56. Re:Not a real comments period by burtosis · · Score: 1

    If they wanted to be transparent they could have just asked to only hear legal tender arguments.

  57. Re:Fuck Communists by RazorSharp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And yet, we are still richer than most of those Socialist paradises you listed.

    For all your disdain for the collective and praise for the individual, I find it odd that you measure wealth based on GDP rather than the spending power and economic freedom of the poorest of the poor. Socialized medicine frees. Capitalist medicine makes one a slave to their own health. Market regulations free consumers from predatory lenders and inhumane working conditions.

    I save citations for research papers and extreme claims. Nothing I claimed warranted such a waste of time. However, you may want to read more carefully before you waste your own time refuting something I didn't say (there's a huge difference between "one of the last to abolish slavery" and "the last").

    The fact that you believe the U.S. is an example of a laissez-faire country demonstrates your ignorance. Have you ever heard of the U.S. Postal Service? Do you know what a grant is and how they have propped up higher education and are the main reason U.S. innovation was unsurpassed in the twentieth century? Social Security? Medicare? The who article is about the FCC, A REGULATORY AGENCY.

    Laissez-faire is a myth. It's never existed and never will. Just like communism. All countries are socialist, they just have unique ways of structuring it. Your equivocation of all collectivism and the U.S.S.R. is a silly fallacy. That's why no serious intellectuals take Ayn Rand seriously.

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  58. Re:Fuck Communists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Until you have waiting queues and the state decides that group X doesn't deserve healthcare because reasons.

  59. Of course they are by wardrich86 · · Score: 1

    Of course they are... I mean, they spent all that time and money creating bots to flood the site with them in the first place. Why would they want to backtrack on that now?

  60. Re:Fuck Communists by mi · · Score: 1

    Please explain how a local government catering to a single provider by preventing all others from hanging/sharing cables and thus providing service, in exchange for kickbacks from that single provider is anything but fascism.

    It certainly is Fascism — or, maybe, just "unofficial" corruption.

    Nationalizing the infrastructure doesn't work if [...]

    Nationalizing infrastructure does not work. Period.

    But, no less important, such confiscation is also tyrannical. Even if it did work, you can not do that — not in a free country — unless it is a punishment for a crime and you have jury's decision to the effect.

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  61. Re:Fuck Communists by mi · · Score: 1

    By that definition, Obamacare as it was passed is fascist.

    Yes, and the cited opinion states exactly that.

    Socialized medicine seems less evil by a mile.

    Only because you've never tried it. As bad as Fascism is, Socialism/Communism is much worse — which is why I can't sympathize with the "Antifa" assholes, who "fight Fascism" with hammer-and-sickle.

    Consider the example of Spain — ruled by Fascism for decades. For all their Collectivism-induced troubles, they were always better off than the USSR and, when they abolished the Fascism, they were able to recover pretty quick. Recover to the levels, that Russia could only dream about even during the height of its gas-fueled boom.

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  62. Federal Law Authorizes FCC to Gather Public Input by idontgno · · Score: 1

    The FCC's own rulemaking process requires it.

    However, nothing obligates them to give a rat's ass about what they learn from it. Your tax dollars at work.

    Never confuse "We want to hear from you" with "We care about what you say."

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  63. Privacy Implications by q4Fry · · Score: 1

    So releasing the IP addresses would "raise significant privacy concerns," but requiring the name and home address for every comment and making it publicly available on the internet does not? Or are you just afraid that the IP addresses won't remotely match the postal addresses? And that they suspiciously originate from a data center somewhere in Northern Virginia?

  64. Re:Fuck Communists by RazorSharp · · Score: 1

    And my warning stands — I will not stand passively aside, if you, Commie assholes, start moving this country in the wrong direction again. Long before the nightmare of Stalin and Kim, comes the devastation of Chavez — I will not let you do that.

    What are you going to do? Invent a time machine and go back and assassinate FDR?

    I think we've hit a brick wall. I could keep going but you just don't seem to get nuance, as evidenced by your claims of "proof" and your demands for "proof." That's not how empiricism works. You can show me evidence, I can show you evidence, but those who believe in proof are fools.

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  65. Re:Fuck Communists by MercTech · · Score: 1

    That is the main objection to removing the classification of the internet as a public utility and moving the administration of internet issues to the Trade Commission; who investigates a monopoly doing reprehensible things.

    The FTC only investigates if there is a legal challenge to what a company is doing and it takes lawyers and years. As a public utility, the companies have to get permission to change how they do business and public comment is done prior to decisions being made.
    Obviously, the current FCC head does not like public comment at all.

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  66. Re:Fuck Communists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All countries are socialist, they just have unique ways of structuring it.

    Completely false. By definition, "Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production" - Wikipedia.

    Very few countries implement this: the workers almost never control the means of production. Certainly no EU countries. Rather, those countries use high taxes to fund welfare systems: the output of production, not the means of production, is used for control.

    The correct economic term for this situation is "capitalist welfare state".

    With respect to being capitalist welfare states, yes, the EU nations and the USA (and Switzerland, Norway, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, others) DO have different ways of structuring things.

    The primary differences have to do with the amount of corruption in the political system, and the amount of legal ethics problems in the legal system.

    The USA is the biggest loser among developed nations in both regards - though the corruption in the USA is not the sort of everyday corruption that one finds in many places, in other words, ordinary low level government officials in the USA are not particularly corrupt - especially compared to Mediterranean and Asian nations (for example). But the two big political parties, the legislators, and senior government officials in the USA more than make up for the lack of corruption at lower levels.

    As for legal ethics, not every US lawyer is blatantly unethical - but they all benefit from the massive ethics problems in the law, and very few speak out against the problems. The judges, of course, are generally selected the politicians, who are accept campaign contributions (aka bribes) from associations of legal professionals.

    The net effect is that the USA is a very incompetent capitalist welfare state compared to the others: welfare outcomes are measurably far, far worse than in other nations. Huge amounts of propaganda are used to try to hide the real issues, and among them are false claims that other systems are "socialist". Don't help the scum creating this propaganda by falling for it.