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AI-Assisted Fake Porn Is Here and We're All Screwed (vice.com)

New submitter samleecole shares a report from Motherboard: There's a video of Gal Gadot having sex with her stepbrother on the internet. But it's not really Gadot's body, and it's barely her own face. It's an approximation, face-swapped to look like she's performing in an existing incest-themed porn video. The video was created with a machine learning algorithm, using easily accessible materials and open-source code that anyone with a working knowledge of deep learning algorithms could put together. It's not going to fool anyone who looks closely. Sometimes the face doesn't track correctly and there's an uncanny valley effect at play, but at a glance it seems believable. It's especially striking considering that it's allegedly the work of one person -- a Redditor who goes by the name 'deepfakes' -- not a big special effects studio that can digitally recreate a young Princess Leia in Rouge One using CGI. Instead, deepfakes uses open-source machine learning tools like TensorFlow, which Google makes freely available to researchers, graduate students, and anyone with an interest in machine learning. Anyone could do it, and that should make everyone nervous.

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  1. I think all reality is in jeopardy by jfdavis668 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Soon we will not be able to determine real from fake. Nothing can be proven real. We will have to suspect everything.

    1. Re:I think all reality is in jeopardy by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 4, Funny

      /oblg. You misspelt fapnewsfornerds ...

      *ba dum tsh*

    2. Re:I think all reality is in jeopardy by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This was the subject of a 1985 issue of BYTE! magazine that asked what happens when real-time video streams cannot even be trusted.

  2. Why is this bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let people act out their fantasies in VR rather than have them do it in real life. If it doesn't hurt anyone, then why is it anyone's business?

    1. Re:Why is this bad? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

      3D hentai porn, here I come!

      Giggity!

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    2. Re:Why is this bad? by Pfhorrest · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You must live a pretty cushy life if you think sex is the only motivator for men to do anything. I for one mostly do things so as to reduce the odds of dying in the street when I'm old.

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    3. Re:Why is this bad? by Pfhorrest · · Score: 2

      My disabled mother is constantly on the verge of homelessness floating from one shitty rented bedroom to another and barely eating on that $800/mo.

      And it's highly uncertain whether Social Security will exist at all by the time I'm too old to work. My generation are probably all going to die in the street when we're old.

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    4. Re:Why is this bad? by war4peace · · Score: 2

      Haven't you come already, and more than once?

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    5. Re:Why is this bad? by war4peace · · Score: 4, Funny

      I for one mostly do things so as to reduce the odds of being fucked by my government when I'm old.

      FTFY. See? I'ts all about sex.

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    6. Re:Why is this bad? by bobbied · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let people act out their fantasies in VR rather than have them do it in real life. If it doesn't hurt anyone, then why is it anyone's business?

      Well.. This confirmed prude doesn't care as long as:

      1. The only person possibly hurt is you.

      2. I don't have to know about it... AND...

      3. You don't make me approve of your choices.

      If you can live within those limits, do what you want, just leave me out of it...

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    7. Re:Why is this bad? by Pfhorrest · · Score: 2

      It's not my government fucking me, at least not directly. It's the people who own a bunch of land they don't live on, who then demand money in perpetuity if anyone else wants to live there, who are fucking me. Granted the government defends them in doing so and could stop doing that, but blaming them directly would be like like blaming the soldiers for the atrocities their commanders order them to commit.

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    8. Re:Why is this bad? by morethanapapercert · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I've posted this before on related stories, but I think it bears repeating: Once the uncanny valley is definitively conquered and rendering becomes cost-competitive with a live actor, I predict we're going to see a return to the old "studio system" of the silver screen era. Only, instead of a bunch of utility actors and a few big stars whose lives are micro-managed by the studio, we're going to see studios and production companies coming up with their own virtual cast and headline stars. No union worries, so scandals, no practical limits on how much "on set" time a given character can give. (no child labour laws!!!) Absolutely everything about a character being micro-managed and massaged according to the latest polls and trends. Popular characters never have to age, they can't hold a production hostage demanding a bigger cut of the proceeds and can be "fired" incredibly easily and comparatively cheaply.

      What is going to be interesting are the lawsuits over the use of the likeness of some dead celebrities. Is there any studios that still have movie rights to Elvis? Would his estate disagree? Could an actors estate sue on the grounds that a given production was one that the actor would never have been caught dead in? (see what I did there?)

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    9. Re:Why is this bad? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 2

      Consider the Tomb Raider Level Editor. Fans can (and do) make very detailed adventures based on existing game engines. It's a lot of work, but a few people can make a professional quality product for only nominal amounts of money. That puts big studios at a substantial economic disadvantage.

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    10. Re:Why is this bad? by Brickwall · · Score: 2

      Moralists like you piss me off. What if you're not very attractive and don't make a lot of money? Are you supposed to deny yourself sexual pleasure because women aren't interested in you? Dicks like you don't want prostitution, don't want pron, and based on your statement about drugs, don't want them either. So what's the ugly guy who works a minimum wage job supposed to do? Spend the rest of his life celibate, or jerking off to underwear ads in Cosmo?

      In other words, it appears that you are against people finding what makes them happy- without hurting others - unless it's something you approve of. Sounds fascist to me.

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  3. Fake Video "Testimony" by Aero77 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The real threat will be fabricated "video surveillance" footage and other "proof" used to "prove" or "disprove" anything the editor wants. What do you believe when everything you see can plausibly be called "fake news"?

    1. Re:Fake Video "Testimony" by nine-times · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's one thing to create edited video that fools a casual observer, and another that stands up to forensic analysis.

      I don't know how far we are from having undetectable fakes. I don't know if we can stop that from happening, and I don't know what we do if we reach that point. I could see there being something where each camera manufacturer embeds certificate in each camera, which can then be used to digitally sign each frame of video. I'm sure there'd be downsides and it wouldn't make things absolutely tamper-proof, but it could make undetectable forgeries harder to create.

      I suspect there will be a bit of an arms race between forgers and people trying to make forgeries difficult, sort of the same way the government keeps creating anti-counterfeit measures for money. It doesn't 100% stop counterfeiters, but it generally makes it possible to detect counterfeit money if you're looking for it.

    2. Re:Fake Video "Testimony" by Thirty4 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      By the time a good fake video is shown to be fake, people would have moved on. Damage done.

    3. Re:Fake Video "Testimony" by sysrammer · · Score: 3, Funny

      By the time a good fake video is shown to be fake, people would have moved on. Damage done.

      Absolutely. Short attention spans. What were we talking about?

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    4. Re:Fake Video "Testimony" by omnichad · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I could see there being something where each camera manufacturer embeds certificate in each camera, which can then be used to digitally sign each frame of video.

      I could see that too. It would have nothing to do with fake news. It would be about DRM and your rights to use video that you shot on your own hardware without paying extra.

    5. Re:Fake Video "Testimony" by jader3rd · · Score: 2

      It's one thing to create edited video that fools a casual observer

      aka: A voter.

    6. Re:Fake Video "Testimony" by jader3rd · · Score: 3, Funny

      What were we talking about?

      Squirrels.

  4. Re:Rouge? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

    Then how will you be able to describe a rouge rouge?

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  5. Rouge One by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

    Last time I checked, the french title wasn't "Red Un".

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  6. Not all downside by Pfhorrest · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Imagine if the day comes when you can insta-generate porn featuring a hotter version of yourself fucking your favorite pornstar.

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    1. Re:Not all downside by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Why bother when you can have actual sex with your celebrity-look-alike sexbot, or your VR sex sim?

      The copyright claims are going to be epic when celebrities start complaining that the 'bots look too much like them.

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  7. Pictures or it didn't happen... by Camel+Pilot · · Score: 4, Funny

    Pictures or it didn't happen... oh wait.

    1. Re:Pictures or it didn't happen... by war4peace · · Score: 4, Informative

      Oblig: link to the video (NSFW obviously!): https://www.pornhub.com/view_v...

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  8. Re: Rouge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I suspect Rouge One is the porn version.

  9. Incest Porn is Fake Sh!t by DatbeDank · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've been noticing this weird as hell incest porn overtaking the "most popular videos" sections on major porn sites as of late.

    All of these are entirely fake. There's no real step-siblings or mom/stepson actually videotaping this crap. It's all actors talking bullshit or just a couple just lying for click bait.

    This sucks because incest (even if it's fake shit) is a massive turn off. It's becoming a huge nightmare to find good milf/cougar porn because all of the actresses have migrated into this fake incest crap.

    1. Re:Incest Porn is Fake Sh!t by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      It isn't intended to imply actual incest, or videos that involve roleplaying incest;

      What? Yes, it absolutely is intended to imply videos that involve roleplaying incest. You really do have to wade through stacks of incest porn to get to anything else right now. I have only conducted an informal study, but it seems to be dominated by aunt-nephew, then sister-brother, then uncle-niece. It implies something fairly disturbing about our culture that this is what's blowing up, especially since the last trend to blow up in porn was MILFs. So let's see, mothers I want to fuck, incest porn... a sick, sad percentage of pornhounds clearly want to fuck their mom.

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    2. Re:Incest Porn is Fake Sh!t by swb · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think it's just a sign that the era of free and unlimited porn is causing porn itself to lose luster, and they're just going after weirder and weirder fetishes to try to keep people interested in what amounts to the same mundane sex that rehashes the same sex positions. Shuffle around the various positions and then the obligatory cumshot.

      It was luridly appealing when it was uncommon, now it's just banal. And so much is made with so little creativity or passion that you have to attach increasingly weird tags to it to attract viewers, otherwise people are just tired of it.

      What's funny is I've seen the same videos tagged multi-posted with different tags. One tag says "incest" the other says "teen with older guy". I mean, it's all the same with different titles.

      WRT incest, I'm sure it's one of the socially "prohibited" fetishes with broad appeal. There are probably enough people who have thought about sex with a relative (close or distant) that you can make find people willing to watch either because they've had the idea or they're just bored with everything else.

  10. What? by glenebob · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This article seems to imply that there are people who are surprised by this. People actually didn't see this coming years ago?

    1. Re:What? by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 3, Funny

      This article seems to imply that there are people who are surprised by this. People actually didn't see this coming years ago?

      True, but now the time has cum

  11. They aren't doing it in VR! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Let people act out their fantasies in VR rather than have them do it in real life. If it doesn't hurt anyone, then why is it anyone's business?

    Because the sick twisted fucks aren't doing it in VR; they're doing it using time machines. When they come back, they tell us "Rouge One" is the name of a movie where they're from, but in our universe it's "Rogue One." Don't you see? Someone went back in time and stepped on a butterfly.

    If they'd stick to fucking Tyrannosaurus Rexen in VR, we wouldn't be having this problem, but they're messing with history and it's just a matter of time until someone kills Hitler and then we won't have a space program. "Doesn't hurt anyone" my ass.

  12. "Rouge" One? by ToTheStars · · Score: 5, Funny

    I see the editors have been cursed by the Rouge Angles of Satin!

    I hole-hardedly agree, but allow me to play doubles advocate here for a moment. For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morals are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies. We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there. Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge ship on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to throw everything in but the kids Nsync, and even though you are having a feel day with this I am here to bring you back into reality. I have a sick sense when it comes to these types of things. It is almost spooky, because I cannot turn a blonde eye to these glaring flaws in your rhetoric. I have zero taller ants when it comes to people spouting out hate in the name of moral righteousness. You just need to remember what comes around is all around, and when supply and command fails you will be the first to go. Make my words, when you get down to brass stacks it doesn't take rocket appliances to get two birds stoned at once. It's clear who makes the pants in this relationship, and sometimes you just have to swallow your prize and accept the facts. You might have to come to this conclusion through denial and error but I swear on my mother's mating name that when you put the petal to the medal you will pass with flying carpets like it’s a peach of cake.

    1. Re:"Rouge" One? by sysrammer · · Score: 3, Funny

      Nice. You forgot "swallow your prize and accept the fax", though.

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  13. Non-news ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 2

    ... and that should make everyone nervous.

    Nervous is OK as long as it also makes people horny.

    That's the point of porn.

    As for "fake," it doesn't matter as long as it's satisfying. There are lots of role-playing sites.

    And as for "fake," as in "fabricated evidence," detecting "fake." is within the scope of digital forensics.

    Let's file this with Hawking's AI phobia, alright?

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  14. The ultimate get out of jail free card by jader3rd · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Now once someone produces a tape of Donald Trump have sex with Russian prostitutes while married, he'll be able to claim that deepfakes created it and is innocent of everything. This will be the greatest tool for people weaseling out of video evidence.

  15. Re:the internet is for porn by omnichad · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don't know what shady eBay seller you bought your SSD on, but they aren't supposed to vibrate.

  16. Re:so? by iggymanz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    you're hilarious, various tricks for creating "fake photographs" are 200+ years old. Putting people that weren't present into a photo, changing the location, extreme touchup to change appearance, creating what we might call fantasy / sci fi effects...all old hat. Faked photogaphss have tricked experts in the courtroom too.

    "Then came photoshop", pfffffft. Get off my lawn, kid.