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France To Ban Mobile Phones In Schools (theguardian.com)

The French government is planning to ban students from using mobile phones in the country's primary, junior and middle schools. While children will be permitted to bring their phones to school, they will not be allowed to get them out at any time until they leave, even during breaks. The Guardian reports: Jean-Michel Blanquer, the French education minister, said the measure would come into effect from the start of the next school year in September 2018. It will apply to all pupils from the time they start school at age of six -- up to about 15 when they start secondary school. Blanquer said some education establishments already prohibited pupils from using their mobiles. "Sometimes you need a mobile for teaching reasons [...] for urgent situations, but their use has to be somehow controlled," he told RTL radio. The minister said the ban was also a "public health message to families," adding: "It's good that children are not too often, or even at all, in front of a screen before the age of seven." The French headteachers' union was skeptical that the ban could be enforced.

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  1. Why were they ever allowed? by evanh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Right from the start, I was completely surprised that any school anywhere has ever allow them.

    1. Re:Why were they ever allowed? by mwvdlee · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Good idea, as long as they also get rid of this:

      Sometimes you need a mobile for teaching reasons

      You can't have it both ways.

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    2. Re:Why were they ever allowed? by ColdCat · · Score: 2

      "Teaching Reason" in France's schools is mostly lessons on how to configure your apps and manages your identity and privacy on socials networks.

    3. Re:Why were they ever allowed? by geekmux · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Right from the start, I was completely surprised that any school anywhere has ever allow them.

      "I need to be able to reach my child in an emergency!"

      "My child is special. He/She must be permitted to carry their cell phone."

      The blame lies more with smartphone-addicted parents than the school. And schools often succumb to what parents want, not common sense. In reality, the parents are doing nothing more than creating pathetic excuses to justify paying for a smartphone for their 8-year BFF (a.k.a. their child)

      We're also dealing with parents who treat smartphones like it's their left arm, so no surprise their kids consider a smartphone and social media access as vital as breathing.

    4. Re:Why were they ever allowed? by pots · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't follow. "Both ways"? The idea is that phones are banned because they're disruptive, but allowed in certain tightly controlled situations when they are important for a lesson. Both ways of what?

  2. Texting, the new smoking by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I predict that French schools will have a serious lack of empty toilets in the foreseeable future. And for a change, it's not because of the quality of the cafeteria lunch.

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    1. Re:Texting, the new smoking by prefec2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Could be prevented by a jammer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  3. My school did this 20 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You had to have it on silent (not vibrate). If you got it out the teacher took until the end of class.

    1. Re:My school did this 20 years ago by PPH · · Score: 2

      and if you get caught ... you can't use it until the class is over

      Or you can't use it until you pick it up in the principal's office at the end of the day. Or you can't use it until your parents pick it up in the principal's office. Lots of different options.

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  4. Totally agree! by Aethedor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As a parent, I totally agree with this. My eight year old son is already asking about when he gets his own mobile phone. Some friends of him already have one! Insane! Kids at that age are not ready for the internet and communication like that. If they learn to communicate via digital devices instead of directly, they miss essential things like non-verbal communication. This will seriously affect them if you ask me.

    I know I can't go around giving him a mobile phone when he goes to high school, otherwise he will be left out of a lot of social events. This nation wide ban removes the difficult discussion between schools and parents. I wish they would do this in my country too.

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  5. Neo-Luddism by Max_W · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It would be better to teach students the etiquette of modern communication.

    For example, not to talk loudly and continuously over the telephone in public transport.

    1. Re:Neo-Luddism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nope. Kids don't need to have 24/7 access to a device with access to the internet that parents have no way of monitoring.
      That's not luddism. That's just good parenting.
      Next you're going to tell me not letting your 5 year old watch porn is neo-puritanism.

    2. Re:Neo-Luddism by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      Have you ever heard of parental controls?

      Shame parental controls are easy to circumvent and none are very good.

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  6. Educational purpose? by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "I need to be able to reach my child in an emergency!"

    That's why they have an administrative office. You call there and they go contact your child if necessary. Worked just fine for 100 years. There is no educational value in allowing access to cell phones of any sort during the day. If there is an odd circumstance where a child really does need to carry their phone during class hours due to some special circumstance then the parent can arrange that through the school administration on a short term basis.

    The blame lies more with smartphone-addicted parents than the school.

    There is Truth in this. The basic question to ask is "what educational purpose is being fulfilled by allowing access to smartphones during school hours?" If there isn't one then there is no reason to allow them.

    1. Re:Educational purpose? by The123king · · Score: 2

      you're telling me it's a bad idea to stop kids from carrying a highly addictive device because they might get mugged or kidnapped. Now i'm sorry, but having a 9 year-old carry a $1000 device is providing them with more risk of being mugged, not less. If they need a mobile, give them a cheapy $20 feature phone. It's also much less expensive when it does inevitably get lost, broken or stolen.

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    2. Re:Educational purpose? by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      Also what type of emergency is so important that your kid needs to know right away? I can see the kid calling you for an emergency because you have the power and authority do something about it. But if you have an emergency the last person I would call is my kid, because there isn't much they can do about it. Leave a message to the Admin office and they will call you to the office either right away if is that important, or between classes if it isn't.

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    3. Re: Educational purpose? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      There are non-lethal guillotines in France.

  7. French lunches versus US lunches by sjbe · · Score: 4, Informative

    I predict that French schools will have a serious lack of empty toilets in the foreseeable future. And for a change, it's not because of the quality of the cafeteria lunch.

    I think you may not be aware of how amazingly good the food is in French schools. Unlike in the US where we literally give prisoners better food than students which is just mind blowing.

  8. Bring on the downmods! by dreamchaser · · Score: 2

    Kids under 18 shouldn't even have phones other than ones tied to their parents' for the aforementioned emergencies. They also shouldn't have any access to social media in any way, shape, or form.

  9. Re:What the hell is wrong with you people? by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

    But you do. There will be so many kids testing the boundaries of this law and the teachers shouldn't have to be the judges of that. You really just need one sweeping law. Only way to do it.

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  10. Nothing but excuses by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So far I think the situation is that schools can't handle cell phone storage during school hours.

    What are you talking about? They have lockers. Use them. For schools that don't have lockers either forbid them to bring the phones or come up with a secure box to store them during the day.

    Imagine the liability issues.

    What liability issues? This is made up nonsense. There simply aren't any and it's trivial to work out exceptions to the policy where reasonable. People already sue schools for idiotic reasons so it's hardly worth worrying about a few irrational parents making up new reasons to be irrational. If there is an emergency contact the administrative office or the teacher directly. If the teachers have phones (and most do) then there is no reason to worry about emergencies.

    Plus it's a hell of a lot of work.

    Schools are very well equipped to monitor students using forbidden items during the school day. They've been doing it literally since there were schools. They already do this so it's really nothing new at all.

    Then kids can't have a phone on them on their way to school or home, which is probably a bad idea.

    Bullshit. I never had a cell phone as a child and yet somehow I survived the fiery apocalypse. I reject the entire premise of this argument. Children younger than driving age are in most locations by definition with an adult the entire time they are transiting to/from school. Why would they need a phone? Children old enough to drive can leave the phone in the car or in their locker during the day. If a parent is worried about their child's safety, a phone isn't going to solve that problem. The parent should be with the child if they are worried about them.

  11. Old news by aglider · · Score: 2

    In Italy mobile phones are banned since 2012...

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  12. Re:What the hell is wrong with you people? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

    And you don't need to ban 15 year olds from learning phone use!

    Oh yes, such a difficult skill to master and we're in such short supply in the labour market for workers who have the ability to use a phone. Why, just the other day I recall hearing our manufacturing department lamenting how hard it is to find workers who know how to operate Candy Crush on their smartphones.

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  13. Re:Not giving kids enough credit by jittles · · Score: 3, Funny

    Kids are more resilient than you give them credit for. That said I think that the French ban sounds like an excellent idea. Smartphones are nothing but a distraction during the school day. They can play with them as much as they want after school hours.

    Not my child. My child is a fragile, delicate masterpiece without flaw. I must hover over my child 24/7 to prevent any teacher, adult, child, or government organization from implying that my little piece of perfection might have a flaw. In order to do this, they must text and call me constantly throughout the day so that I can verify that no one is making such absurd allegations.