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129 Million Americans Can Only Get Internet Service From Companies That Have Violated Net Neutrality (vice.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Motherboard: Based on the Federal Communications Commission's own data, the Institute for Local Self Reliance found that 129 million Americans only have one option for broadband internet service in their area, which equals about 40 percent of the country. Of those who only have one option, roughly 50 million are limited to a company that has violated net neutrality in some way. Of Americans who do have more than one option, 50 million of them are left choosing between two companies that have both got shady behavior on their records, from blocking certain access to actively campaigning against net neutrality.

Aside from being a non-ideal situation for consumers like me, this lack of competition is another dock against the FCC's plan to repeal net neutrality rules later this week. In arguing against net neutrality rules, FCC Chairman Ajit Pai has repeatedly cited a free market as just as capable of ensuring internet freedom as government regulations. "All we are simply doing is putting engineers and entrepreneurs, instead of bureaucrats and lawyers, back in charge of the internet," Pai said on Fox News's "Fox & Friends," in November. "What we wanted to do is return to the free market consensus that started in the Clinton administration and that served the internet economy in America very well for many years." But how can market competition regulate an industry when more than a third of the market has no competition at all, and even those that do have to choose between options that don't uphold net neutrality?

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  1. It's OK! by Baron_Yam · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All they have to do is stop promising to uphold Net Neutrality precepts, and then they're totally in the clear.

    The important thing here is that Trump's rich friends will milk some more money from the not-rich in return for degraded services; this is good for the average person somehow.

    1. Re: It's OK! by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A minor correction: Nobody, and I mean *nobody* is Trump's friend. He does however have associates who tolerate him because there is something in it for them.

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    2. Re: It's OK! by Baron_Yam · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Correction accepted, and the only reason I do so reluctantly is because I'm annoyed I missed that point on the first go.

      I think it's a one-way issue with Trump, though. He doesn't have friends because he doesn't understand that loyalty means something other than, 'serves the current interests of Donald Trump'.

      What's shocking is the number of people willing to jump on the Trump train and take a bullet for him in hopes of being rewarded. You'd think the pile of bodies you have to climb over to get into Trump's circle would clue you in to your odds of success being poor.

    3. Re: It's OK! by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

      Just about the entire psychiatric community has already stated that he is a sociopath. This is not some big secret at this point.

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    4. Re: It's OK! by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

      That's not correct. You apparently haven't been paying attention. Big names in the APA have come out and said that, while normally the Goldwater rule applies, in this case the concern for the well being of the human race outweighs the concern normally involved in not *offering* a public diagnosis. One does not need to meet Trump to have him talk to you and tell you everything you need to know. He constantly runs his mouth and his Twitter account, and has stated in writing that destroying communities for a profit is fine so long as he personally makes a profit. He openly stated he has no remorse for the destruction of hundreds of thousands of people's lives. Seriously, this isn't a hard one to figure out.

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  2. Why? by JBMcB · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Where we live and in most municipalities, I believe, broadband is regulated by the city. In the city where we live, when Comcast wanted to move in, city council wouldn't let them until another provider could also move in.

    Want to fix the problem in rural areas? The federal government owns more than half of the available RF spectrum. Free up some so we can get wireless broadband going.

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    1. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Where we live and in most municipalities, I believe, broadband is regulated by the city. In the city where we live, when Comcast wanted to move in, city council wouldn't let them until another provider could also move in.

      Your not sure if broadband is regulated but your sure they blocked comcast until they had two providers? A link would be nice. Still, if your city is acting stupid, elect better city leaders. Then again it is comcast.

      Net neutrality doesn't require engineers to work harder. It is the default configuration of standard network equipment. It requires less equipment.

      Companies don't divert from network neutrality to make a simpler network. They do it to make a more profitable one, because ISPs want more sources of revenue. It could be eventually about informational control. You didn't think companies like Sinclair would stop with just right wing local stations did you?

      In order to control the people you must setup a state of informational control so all logical choices benefit the true masters in the end. If you can keep the little people fighting about stupid things, then they ignore the truly dangerous stuff. Companies setting up special paths for their friends right wing news feeds and streams, well that may just be an awesome bonus of our new "freedoms".

    2. Re:Why? by Xyrus · · Score: 2

      Wireless doesn't have the throughput. Not only that, you're still going to have the same problem of who's going to run the towers. It'll be the same monopolies.

      Shit sandwich or shit taco. Either way, you're just going to wind up with shit.

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    3. Re:Why? by Cytotoxic · · Score: 2

      Wireless doesn't have the throughput. Not only that, you're still going to have the same problem of who's going to run the towers. It'll be the same monopolies.

      Shit sandwich or shit taco. Either way, you're just going to wind up with shit.

      Yes it does. He is talking about freeing up legacy TV spectrum for 5g wireless. Properly designed it would have much more throughput.

      The reason you live with cable monopolies or duopolies is because the local government requires it. That was the tradeoff to get investment in infrastructure.

      Of course we also have the specter of at least two satellite constellations in the near future. Monopolies have a way of collapsing without government protection. Of course they also tend to have the resources to bend the government to their will.

    4. Re:Why? by vivian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The real problem is not net neutrality (or lack thereof), the problem is that the wonderful power of the free market is being expected to solve a problem that it fundamentally can not solve in an efficient way.

      It never makes sense to have competing physical layers of network infrastructure.
      In the same way that it would be nonsensical to have competing road networks, or water distribution networks or electrical distribution networks in the same area, it is also stupid to try and have physical data networks competing. The physical media layer for the "last mile" (or however many it is from an exchange) should be in government hands, controlled in the same way that road and water networks are, but with any number of service providers being able to provide service from the end point, with a level playing field for the access to the physical media layer.

      The services ON those networks should most definitely be privately held - and also made available on a level playing field.
      In the same way that whether you are a country resident or a city resident, you play the same amount of registration and fuel tax, giving you equal access to roads, you should have equal access to the internet too.
      If you want a parcel delivered, you have a choice of couriers available - can get FedEX ot DHL or UPS to deliver it, and they all use the same roads, with the same fixed cost for road access, competing with each other.

    5. Re:Why? by Kohath · · Score: 2

      Towers are run by 3rd party companies like American Tower.

      It makes a lot more financial sense for one company to own a tower and rent antenna space to several providers rather than several mobile companies each building redundant towers.

  3. Anti-democratic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not that hard a concept to grasp: Free market capitalism is fundamentally and inherently anti-democratic. Corporations and oligarchs will do what they've always done... if we let them.

  4. Math is our friend by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

    So, 129 million have only one ISP available.

    40% of them have, as their one ISP, a company that has violated net neutrality.

    Another 50 million have two choices for ISP, both of which have done things that violated net neutrality.

    So, given that information from the summary, why is the headline "129 million Americans can only get Internet Services from Companies that have violated net neutrality"?

    I mean, it's not all that hard to add the 50 million from the first paragraph to the 50 million from the second. And it's not like /.'ers are innumerate...Oh, wait. Never mind....

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  5. The restriction isn't caused by net neutrality by Roodvlees · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's the government that blocks other companies from competing.

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  6. Really, Ajit? by jenningsthecat · · Score: 2

    All we are simply doing is putting engineers and entrepreneurs, instead of bureaucrats and lawyers, back in charge of the internet...

    In the first place, how many engineers are "in charge" of the Internet? The vast, vast majority of them answer to the MBA's and other assorted bankster wonks who ultimately answer to the CEO, who ultimately answers to the board and the shareholders. Secondly, calling the likes of AT+T, Verizon, etc. "entrepreneurs" tells me that you are either a liar, (which I already knew), or stupid, (which I've long suspected). While you're busy metaphorically sucking the metaphorical dicks of the evil men who own your soul, please at least try to disengage your vocal cords and refrain from making stupid noises about how all is well. Piss off mate - nobody believes your bullshit.

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    1. Re:Really, Ajit? by Baron_Yam · · Score: 2

      >Piss off mate - nobody believes your bullshit.

      For some reason, if they tell a bald-faced lie it causes less resentment and resistance than simply telling people they're going to be ignored.

      In both cases, the same truth is there, and in both cases it's obvious, but when they lie they're more likely to get away with it; a lot of people waste time arguing the lie rather than fighting the truth.

      For me, being lied to is insult upon injury and makes me more likely to fight back, but I'm apparently in the minority.

    2. Re:Really, Ajit? by RazorSharp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The reason they get away with the bald-faced lies is that a significant number of people are too stupid to know when they're being lied to. It's like when they spew anti-evolution rhetoric. If you spew a fallacious argument confidently, idiots won't be able to distinguish them from a sound ones.

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  7. Federal laws not the answer... by Phasedshift · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I reject "net neutrality" on a federal level, as it does NOTHING to fix the underlying issues. It's a straw man! The underlying issue is that there isn't enough competition in the ISP space to give people a valid choice, and there isn't enough "information" on what is actually happening behind the scenes (throttling, etc) for people to make an informed choice anyway. An ISP will simply not get as much transit/peering/etc related to certain traffic than others to effectively "throttle" it, even if they aren't directly doing so. Also, as more "cord cutters" are being made, prices will go higher... with no other choices while everyone complains that a commercial company isn't charging them a lower price on a government granted monopoly.

    Most localities grant monopolies to the incumbent carrier, and make it difficult or impossible for new players to enter the market. My preferred solution is to make it easier for new carriers to enter the market by not allowing monopolies to be granted. However, one size doesn't fit all. There are many small towns of a few thousand people that would have never gotten internet service without that type of agreement. It takes millions of dollars to build out a network to service a small town like that in many cases, and if there is any competition the carrier wouldn't be able to recoup their cost (so they won't build it out in the first place.) Another option is municipal internet, or, as other people have pointed out having the city/town own the 'wires' and lease them to other areas. However, both of those options may not be appropriate for all areas due to the overhead of providing either of those services.

    My point here is, stop trying to "fix" the problems on a federal level. Your solution in Iowa may not be appropriate for my area in Massachusetts, but, most people seem to think it is.. and more importantly, stop focusing on "net neutrality" (which as implemented is not what you think it is in many cases) instead of the actual issues!

    1. Re:Federal laws not the answer... by Orgasmatron · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I live in a rural area several miles outside of a town of about 2500 people. Two different cable companies have fiber optic service at my address and the phone company has a fiber-fed DSLAM about 2 houses down so I could get good DSL if I really wanted to.

      One of the cable companies is a national brand, and the other is a local company that has designs and funding lined up and ready to go for every city and town in the area that they aren't already in. Every winter they convince another town or two to ditch the monopoly, and every summer they build a brand new cable plant or two from scratch, right alongside the incumbent's wires.

      The monopoly franchise may have been necessary once upon a time, which I really doubt, but I can say with absolute certainty that it is not necessary today. If anyone has only one option, their problem is local, either the city is granting a monopoly, or their state is making it impossible for startups to operate.

      I agree 100% that people need to fix their local problems instead of demanding that the federal government punish the rest of us so that they can keep being lazy.

      One thing that I think should have abundant federal regulation is municipal ISPs. If the people of a city want to form one, I think they should be able to, and I also think that there needs to be strong rules to keep the local government from abusing their monopoly. For example, they should not be able to use taxpayer funds.

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  8. Don't blame me, blame the Patriot Act and CALEA by e3m4n · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As someone who has been running a small, independent, ISP since 1996, I have seen the steady anti-competitive lobbying to get congress to legislate us out of business. In 1994 Congress signed the 1994 Telecom Act, that basically assuaged the iLECs pissing and moaning that they need to get into LD in order to make money. The act basically says they can get into LD, but since they claim there is zero profits in local and last-mile services, they must sell wholesale access to their competitors to provision in order to boost options for consumers.

    For a while we saw a boom in local CLECs, some more physical, some merely billing and administrative, by buying unbundled circuits like Uni-T1s and Uni-DS3s to their customers that connected back to the CLEC over the iLECs last-mile. Then came the Patriot Act and CALEA. In the interest of political expediency, Congress and the FCC has slowly, but surely, eroded the 1994 telecom act into nearly nothing left to enforce. In order to effectively issue wiretap orders on unsuspecting citizens, the telecoms argued, it makes more sense to engage with only a few players than tens of thousands.

      First to disappear were the unbundled T1 and DS3 circuits. Now if you wanted to provision T1/PRI to a customer you were forced to buy your own unbundled copper. Then, in a surprise move, the FCC and Congress agreed with a Verizon case, that "New Technologies" should be exempt from equal-access provision of the 1994 Telecom Act. This effectively allowed Verizon to deny all competition to their Fiber circuit. Since the telcos, cable, and power companies have exclusive rights to last-mile access to telephone poles, no CLEC has the ability to just roll out their own last-mile to the customer except in some extremely densely populated cities where puttting a fiber shelf and mux in the bottom of a 500 suite building paid for itself. The biggest example of this anti-competitive behavior was when Verizon engaged in the practice of ripping out ever inch of copper to a customer once they bought into Fios service. Now the customer has a choice of Fios or Fios. No competitor even has left over copper available to be ordered to the customers premises.

        Next up was project PRISM installed in MAE-East and MAE-West. In order to ensure all traffic traversed through the prisms for cloning (yes actual prisms were used to split the fiber stream), they had to reduce the number of carriers and peer points that could bypass these points of capture. By allowing the largest LECs to build monopolies, they LECs sold your souls to the devil, in exchange for running CLECs out of town via new regulations and 'understandings' of legislature.

    It is no surprise that no anti-trust suits have ever been brought to claim against these LECs. Its FAR easier to spy on everyone when only 5 companies control traffic versus thousands of others.

    as a ISP, I cant even get people the same DSL that the Telco's offer. 12mb ADSL2+ is the best I can get even though the LEC does SHDSL, VDSL, and 20Mb ADSL2+. They will also not let us get naked DSL (no $60 phone line charge in addition to DSL) or do G.Bond (two copper pair to double the throughput). We are stuck with wireless, and that has real world issues form lightening, wind, and other weather.

  9. Rights of way require government action by tepples · · Score: 2

    Competition requires action by a government in the first place to establish rights of way. Otherwise, non-subscribing landowners could block providers from crossing subscribers' land with their copper or fiber by asserting the exclusive right that essentially all industrialized countries' governments recognize in land.

  10. Re:U.S. government corruption by Rhipf · · Score: 2

    Anarchy is so much better.