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Trump Signs Law Forcing Drone Users To Register With Government (thehill.com)
President Trump signed a sweeping defense policy bill into law on Tuesday that will allow the government to require recreational drone users to register their model aircraft.
This comes after a federal court ruled in May that Americans no longer have to register non-commercial drones with the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) "because Congress had said in a previous law that the FAA can't regulate model aircraft," reports The Hill. From the report: In December 2015, the FAA issued an interim rule requiring drone hobbyists to register their recreational aircraft with the agency. The rule -- which had not been formally finalized -- requires model aircraft owners to provide their name, email address and physical address; pay a $5 registration fee; and display a unique drone ID number at all times. Those who fail to comply could face civil and criminal penalties. While Congress directed the FAA to safely integrate drones into the national airspace in a 2012 aviation law, lawmakers also included a special exemption to prevent model aircraft from being regulated. A D.C.-based appeals court cited the 2012 law in its ruling striking down the FAA drone registry, arguing that recreational drones count as model aircraft and that the registry counts as a rule or regulation.
I love reducing government restrictions by creating new ones.
I thought he was all about the deregulation? *crickets*
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_rNnErg-oM
ISIS was already using them against the Syrian army, it's not theoretical anymore. For attacks like the one in this youtube video, but also in combat operations.
I'm sure the terrorists will register their home-brew drone-bombs like they registered to fly airliners before 9/11.
This isn't about terrorism, foreign or domestic, nor about safety.
This is purely government frightened that individuals with video/camera drones will expose their wrongdoing for all to see. ^That^ right there frightens them FAR more than all the crazy fringe groups and ISIS terrorists because "...can't stop the signal, Mal."
Strat
Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
Ok .. and do tourists, visitors to America, people on work visa's, etc, do they need to register their drone if they decided to bring one with them on their trip?
How is that going to work?
And why would I register a drone?
If it's unregistered, you don't know I have it - so if you don't know I have it, why would I feel compelled to register it? You wouldn't know either way.
And let me guess, you're going to charge or tax me for the privilege of registering it. Right?
You fail.
http://www.thedrive.com/aerial...
The controversial drone policy introduced by the Federal Aviation Administration in 2015, requiring recreational drone users to registers their UAVs, was constitutionally overturned in May of this year, but it may end up being enforced again next year by being included in the upcoming National Defense Authorization Act of 2018.
According to Bloomberg, both the House and Senate agree on slipping the unmanned aerial vehicle registry into the defense bill, as demand for regulation in the drone industry is at an all-time high. Most recently, the White House expanded drone-testing regulations to presumably push toward standardizing nationwide UAV delivery. The current administration may deem a nationwide hobby-drone registration as a necessary first step toward that.
The previous policy was overturned
http://www.thedrive.com/aerial...
In 2015, the FAA officially announced that all owners of drones heavier than 250 grams (which is about as light as a cup of water) must be registered as "drone operators" in a national database. This, of course, startled some, as it seemed this regulation could mark the beginning of the end for freedom of use regarding hobby drones. Others felt it was a fair deal in the right direction, as we reported on last year. However, in a twist of turns, the District of Columbia circuit court of appeals overturned this legislation on Friday, May 19th, as its compatibility with a previous FAA ruling from 2012 is far from symbiotic.
The 2012 "FAA Modernization and Reform Act" rules that the FAA has no right to "promulgate any rule or regulation regarding a model aircraft", and as Circuit Judge Brett Kavanaugh sees it, the 2015 ruling clearly interferes with this established law. He adds, "Statutory interpretation does not get much simpler. The Registration Rule is unlawful as applied to model aircraft." Essentially, recreational drone users have been exempted from the aforementioned registry, which according to Popular Science, over 800,000 people have joined since 2015. This is something we at The Drive keep a close eye on, and an issue we regularly report on.
So Congress put a paragraph into the 2018 NDAA to restore registration
https://www.bloomberg.com/news...
The U.S. Court of Appeals in Washington overturned the FAA drone registration system in May, finding that earlier legislation passed in 2012 didn't give the agency legal authority for it. A one-paragraph addition to the defense bill said that the registration system "shall be restored" as soon as the legislation becomes law.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/...
(d) Restoration Of Rules For Registration And Marking Of Unmanned Aircraft.-The rules adopted by the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration in the matter of registration and marking requirements for small unmanned aircraft (FAA-2015-7396; published on December 16, 2015) that were vacated by the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit in Taylor v. Huerta (No. 15-1495; decided on May 19, 2017) shall be restored to effect on the date of enactment of this Act.
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The passage of the law just allows the FAA to issue such a rule. It could be that under Trump they would not do so after all... this could be a case where a petition might do some good.
Remember the original rule was instituted by the Obama FAA.
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Show of hands: Who here believes Trump knows what the fuck he's signing? Seriously.
You are welcome on my lawn.
you don't have the right to fly drones. That's a privilege.
You have the right to do anything that isn't illegal. That's how our government is set up. I don't even see how the federal government has the power to regulate this - this is a state's rights issue.
I'm confused. On the posts before on this topic for the last few years there seemed a mild consensus for pragmatic regulation of drones. And you'd generally have several pages of detailed reason based calm discussion. Now all of a sudden every poster on this thread is passionately against drone laws and hurling nothing but ad hominins about how Trump is a monkey? The quality of discourse here really has plummeted.
Are Free Speech Zones purely local or state level legislation then?
It depends on which entity is responsible for the physical location where an event is being held. Let's say we're talking about one of the usual high-profile ones, like the parade and other large gatherings associated with presidential inaugurations. An event that one group or another always wants to disrupt, to make it about their thing, rather than about the inauguration. The grounds where these events take place are a patchwork of the city of the District of Columbia (handled by DC's own metro police), the National Park Service (a piece of the Dept of the Interior, a federal agency, policed by Park Police), and then places like the grounds of Capitol building, which is policed by the Capitol Police. Lots of different entities.
In each case, the entity holding the event makes arrangements with all of those jurisdictions to reserve the space for what's going to happen (a parade, a speech, etc). For that, they get a permit. They also pay a lot for the extra cost of policing those areas so that traffic is controlled, so that people can't run out in the middle of the street and blockade a parade, etc. The "free speech zones" are areas outside of the areas that have been booked, reserved, and paid for by the entity holding the event. The people who want to organize a large group of disrupters/protesters to take over the event are indeed kept, physically, by fences and by police if necessary, from doing so. Why? Because THEY GET EXACTLY THAT SAME PROTECTION when they make arrangements and carry the costs to close the street and parks and make them secure for their own event, safe from the heckler's veto of some other group that wants to wreck their event the same way they want to wreck someone else's on a different day.
Protesters aren't corralled out of the site of dignitaries, they're kept from being able to use force (of numbers, blocking streets and destroying things) to shut down an event they didn't organize. When they want to organize something with exactly the same level of effort, they'll get the exact same level of protection. This has nothing to do with run-of-the-mill standing around on a street corner holding up a sign that says the End Is Near or Eat The Rich or whatever. This is about denying one group the opportunity to veto another group's carefully arranged public event by simply using chaos. That's what permits are for when putting together large events in public spaces - so there can be some safety and care in how it plays out. Every group applying to use a public space gets the same consideration and protection from outside groups that want to shut them down by physically invading that reserved, permitted space.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
That's already very well covered. Mount a gun on your aircraft and you are set up to earn yourself a federal felony. Period.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
Really. the moderators couldn't even spend 1 minute to show that you have purposely worded that to push a right wing talking point.
https://www.thetrace.org/2015/...
Absolute statements are never true
Folks, Haven't you figured this out. The President is going to have a Mexican company build the wall, and then stiff them. Then they will have paid for it. It is how he operates.
Sure it's more to do with idiots flying into people's head or planes. They SHOULD register this, and MORE. They should need to be licensed to fly them.
Safety or freedom.
Choose.
We already have plenty of laws against endangering people or property, creating a public hazard/nuisance, 'peeping Tom' laws, disturbing the peace, etc etc etc. There are another entire set of criminal laws dealing with any sort of endangerment to an aircraft. There are literally more laws than they've been able to count, and they've tried multiple times. This is akin to the early patent trolls locking up common tasks etc in patents by filing and receiving patents on nearly identical prior (usually expired) patents by adding "...with a computer."
I mean, you can already be charged with a plethora of serious federal charges with potentially decades of prison time for doing something only minimally stupid/dangerous with a drone with the laws we already have on the books.
How much 'illegaler' do you want to make it? Do we boil them in oil *before* we hang them, or after? And, where the hell does the beheading come in, before or after the flogging?
Should I submit a Slashdot poll?
Strat
Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.