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Someone Used Wet String To Get a Broadband Connection (vice.com)

dmoberhaus shares a Motherboard report: A UK techie with a sense of humor may have found an alternative to expensive corporate broadband cables: some wet string. It's an old joke among network technicians that it's possible to get a broadband connection with anything, even if it's just two cans connected with some wet string. As detailed in a blog post by Adrian Kennard, who runs an ISP called Andrews & Arnold in the UK, one of his colleagues took the joke literally and actually established a broadband connection using some wet string. Broadband is a catch-all term for high speed internet access, but there are many different kinds of broadband internet connections. For example, there are fiber optic connections that route data using light and satellite connections, but one of the most common types is called an asymmetric digital subscriber line (ADSL), which connects your computer to the internet using a phone line. Usually, broadband connections rely on wires made of a conductive substances like copper. In the case of the Andrews & Arnold technician, however, they used about 6 feet of twine soaked in salt water (better conductivity than fresh water) that was connected to alligator clips to establish the connection. According to the BBC, this worked because the connection "is not really about the flow of current." Instead, the string is acting as a guide for an electromagnetic wave -- the broadband signal carrying the data -- and the medium for a waveguide isn't so important.

78 comments

  1. It's all an illusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Copper is just a scam incorporated by big Pharma And the Free Masons!

    1. Re:It's all an illusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's a scam by Big Cat! they want al the twine for themselves!

    2. Re: It's all an illusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alex Jones, is that you?

      This article is not news.

      Msmash, we haven't seen enough make believe Russia stories today. Please post more.

    3. Re:It's all an illusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chicken (and all birds, really) is disgusting. It's the only meat that can cross contaminate while its still in date, give you salmonella and it tastes like shit. Only low class people like chicken.

      Real human beings eat beef and pork, not disgusting shit like chicken.

    4. Re: It's all an illusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I eat beef and pork. I stuff chicken into your mom's vagina and only when it's been sufficiently marinated by her orgasmic squirts, I eat it.

    5. Re: It's all an illusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Turfucken is chicken in a turkey in beef curtains.

      captcha: "boorish". Not even close to adequate.

    6. Re:It's all an illusion by Cito · · Score: 0

      Wet String is more secure than editing your host files /summon APK

    7. Re:It's all an illusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem a little edgy... Have you had your daily dose of fluoride? Recommend you drink a lot more tap water.

  2. Fiber = Satellite !? by darkain · · Score: 1

    Wait... what the shit... Fiber connections now route via satellite!? Why the hell didn't anyone tell me this?

    1. Re:Fiber = Satellite !? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 4, Funny

      And if they can already connect fiber to satellites, how come we still don't have space elevators?

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    2. Re:Fiber = Satellite !? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 5, Funny

      And I thought those techs that had to climb to the top of cell phone towers had it bad.

      "Jim, there's a cable fraying about 100 miles up. Get in this spacesuit and begin climbing. Whatever you do, don't look down!"

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    3. Re:Fiber = Satellite !? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there are (fiber optic connections that route data using light) and (satellite connections)

    4. Re:Fiber = Satellite !? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It should read:

      there are fiber optic connections, which route data using light, and satellite connections

      It's still a bit clumsy, but the original wording is just plain wrong. Saying "there are fiber optic connections that route data using light" implies that the fiber optic connections routing data with light are a subset of the total group of fiber optic connections, which makes no sense on its own. Thus, adding "and satellite connections" makes some amount of sense as a modifier to the type of fiber optic connection. Until you try to picture fiber optic satellite connections. But maybe the satellites are using a laser connection to an optical router that sends the light down the fiber, thus making it a fiber optic connection that routes data using light and satellite connections. Still not making much sense, but that's what happens when you put a poorly formatted message through a properly configured parser.

    5. Re:Fiber = Satellite !? by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      could be worse... since you'd need a geostationary orbit so the wire doesn't get pulled off, some poor bugger would have to climb all the way up 36,000km of cable if it needed repair at the top.

  3. FCC claims competition exists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    In other news, after the demonstration in the UK, FCC immediately notices that since everyone has string, viable broadband competition exists everywhere.

    1. Re:FCC claims competition exists by zlives · · Score: 0

      i for one am thoroughly amused.

    2. Re:FCC claims competition exists by Hydrian · · Score: 3, Informative

      But don't worry, it will never be rolled out in your area because of the incumbent's monopoly.

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    3. Re:FCC claims competition exists by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 3, Funny

      That argument is walking a tightrope.

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    4. Re:FCC claims competition exists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      More like hanging by a thread.

    5. Re:FCC claims competition exists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know about that, I think his string theory has some merit.

    6. Re:FCC claims competition exists by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      In the UK 2Mb/sec for everyone is the current, unmet goal. So this would actually qualify.

      "Super fast" is only 24Mb. Fibre is extremely rare.

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    7. Re:FCC claims competition exists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Raises an interesting question.
      Do you need a permit to dig down wet string?

  4. Careful... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't go giving Comcast ideas.

    1. Re: Careful... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dan,Dan, they had that idea twenty years ago.

  5. IFLS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IFLS-tier pop computing bullshit articles. I connected a lan with speaker wire and alligator clips. Who cares.

    1. Re:IFLS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's speaker wire?

    2. Re: IFLS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bi-conductor separately insulated stranded copper wire. Yes, "speaker wire" is a commonly used name.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaker_wire

    3. Re:IFLS by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      It's gold-plated cables that cost about $100 per metre and are exclusively sold by a monster of some kind.

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    4. Re:IFLS by HumanWiki · · Score: 1

      I did this with DC powered Christmas lights almost 2 decades ago... Though, at 3.5Mbps, salty wet string is still better than dial up.

    5. Re:IFLS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my house? Romex. 12/2, solid, w/o ground. I always make sure to flag it at regular intervals to prevent it from being confused with 120VAC.

      If you have a piddly amp and/or dinky speakers, you don't need this stuff. But if your amps (plural!) are Yamaha P-series (discontinued, replaced by XP-series) amps and they're driving 15" Jensen cones in custom-built cabinets, there's no better speaker wire than solid, 12-gauge, cheap-as-dirt, durable Romex.

    6. Re: IFLS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boring

      Learn to play bass instead

    7. Re:IFLS by thegreatbob · · Score: 1

      I've seen 18/2 or 18/4 used in similar situations, occasionally with pairs of wires shorted together. Quality is somewhat lower, usually, compared to Romex; I couldn't recommend using it for anything close to the normal current limit for the wire. You also have skin effect to be concerned with in solid wire, though not likely to be a huge issue at audio frequency and reasonable power.

      Was also reading Yamaha's site on XP amps and noticed they described their lineup with "5 Models from 700W to 100W" ... why the descending order?

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  6. Does it work with soiled underware too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    just wondering.

  7. this is absurd. by nimbius · · Score: 1

    stop trying to reinvent the wheel and catch up with the rest of us. I've been using Verizon's "wet string" tier for years now and as soon as they repeal Net Neutrality ill upgrade to the 'haggard burro" tier where they feed a flash drive to an old donkey and drive it mercilessly across the Oregon trail. Some people think this tier is too expensive but honestly, Exhuming a 256 megabyte plastic USB stick from the carcass of a deceased beast of burden is obviously the superior method to view Netflix.

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    1. Re:this is absurd. by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Nah, I'm going to go with IP over Avian Carriers. Of course, there might be some more packet loss during hunting season.

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    2. Re: this is absurd. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Im still in wet noodle speed...

    3. Re:this is absurd. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm on Comcast, so the whole neighborhood shares the wet string. In the evening when too many people are online, the string dries out and the whole thing slows down.

    4. Re:this is absurd. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And they wet it with urine, so the string drying out is a literal case of piss-poor service. It's illegal for you to modify or repaid cable plant on the Comcast side of the demarc, so we're not allowed to piss on it ourselves or I'd call it a feature; I've always wanted to unleash a golden stream on Comcast.

    5. Re:this is absurd. by mikael · · Score: 2

      Two decades ago, one of my employers had a USENET feed from our local university via a 64K ISDN line and the X.25 cloud. The time delay in receiving notifications about talks by guest speakers, meant that it was about a week after the talk that we actually received the notification. They in turn got their feed through JANET. The whole system depended entirely on every university IT department being careful enough not to max out their Internet server disk space, otherwise the feed went down. That was the original "wet piece of string".

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    6. Re:this is absurd. by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      that's fine until the person leading the donkey dies of dysentery

    7. Re:this is absurd. by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      The OLPC system from the "One Laptop Per Child" project was designed precisely to support physical distribution of bulky content on physical media from central stations to remote "webs" of OLPC systems to make the content available cheaply and robustly with no wired or radio frequency connection to the upstream Internet. It was a fascinating project and worked surprisingly well for a project with so many unique technologies and approaches.

  8. Net Neutrality is very new (Re:this is absurd.) by mi · · Score: 1, Interesting

    as soon as they repeal Net Neutrality ill upgrade to the 'haggard burro" tier where they feed a flash drive to an old donkey and drive it mercilessly across the Oregon trail.

    Is that what you were using before 2015, when the "Net Neutrality" rules went into effect?

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  9. PCIe is remarkably tolerant of being extended by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    And there was me worrying about PCIe risers in things like the Node 202

    https://www.techpowerup.com/re...

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  10. In other news... by DidgetMaster · · Score: 1

    ...student electrocutes self by holding one end of a wet string and dipping the other end into a live electrical socket. Who would have thought? Copper isn't the only conductor of electricity.

    1. Re:In other news... by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 1

      If the building is up to modern code, dipping that string into a tamper resistant outlet is some feat. Hell even the things designed to plug into the damn outlets don't always want to go in.

    2. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You realize of course, that building codes are like technology... it's not much of an exaggeration to say that by the time it's built, it's no longer to code. lol How many buildings on a typical campus have tamper resistant outlets, do you think? I bet there are more buildings with ungrounded, two-prong outlets. lol

    3. Re:In other news... by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      I can't say I've ever actually seen one of these tamper resistant outlets in the flesh. I'm guessing this is a UK thing?

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    4. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hell even the things designed to plug into the damn outlets don't always want to go in.

      That's what she said?

    5. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't say I've ever actually seen one of these tamper resistant outlets in the flesh. I'm guessing this is a UK thing?

      We're supposed to have them in new construction now in the USA but I have yet to see them anywhere but in a wet area like outdoors or near a garage door. They are quite annoying though in that sometimes you just can't get the plug in in the first place. Besides, learning not to touch live bare conductors is an important life lesson and might as well happen with relatively low voltages.

    6. Re:In other news... by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      Pretty much. Every socket in the UK has to have the live and neutral pins shielded. The original mechanism is for the slightly longer earth pin to open a spring loaded shutter. There are also two alternatives now. One requires the live and neutral pins to be inserted at exactly the same time with more or less the same force. The other requires all three pins on the plug to be presented at the same time. Further note that UK plugs that are less than 30 years old also have sleeved live and neutral pins that prevent contact with live parts with partially inserted plugs.

      The UK plug and socket designs are by any objective measure electrically the safest in the world by some considerable margin.

  11. Re: bad writeup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, waveguide is wrong since that typically means photons. If you are dealing with high enough frequencies you might call the conductor a transmission line.

  12. Oh hell no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Christ man! Don't give Comcast any ideas!

  13. Obligatory by grasshoppa · · Score: 2

    It's an old joke among network technicians that it's possible to get a broadband connection with anything, even if it's just two cans connected with some wet string.

    Or, indeed, IPoAC ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... ).

    Latency sucks, but the bandwidth is incredible.

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    1. Re:Obligatory by mikael · · Score: 1

      Never underestimate the bandwidth of a motorcyclist with a backpack stuffed full of backup tapes.

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    2. Re:Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try a truck full of Spinny disks.

      I know of a major providers that moved data centers and moved a lot of data by truck.

  14. Been There, Done That by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    https://slashdot.org/story/02/01/03/2039218/ethernet-over-assorted-materials

    I can't tell if the year of the article is 01 02 or 03

    1. Re:Been There, Done That by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Duh, it's obviously from February 18, 2039.

    2. Re:Been There, Done That by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since this article is https://tech.slashdot.org/story/17/12/13/1928257, I would say that makes it Jan 3, 2002.

    3. Re:Been There, Done That by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Posted by timothy on 2002-01-03 17:38

  15. all conductors are Really Crappy Lines (RCL) by swschrad · · Score: 1, Interesting

    meaning they all have resistance, capacitance, and inductance. if you are thinking in terms of a transmission line instead of an electrical conductor, this means they all have peaks and nulls. with a supported salt-water solution, I would expect varying conductivity in those abnormal regions, and varying conductivity as the line slowly dies. this is varying resistance, while the distributed capacitance and inductive resonance should be reasonably low. it will confuse the dslam DSP section, but it would work for a demonstration. hooking to the top two barbed wires on a pasture fence would work much better, assuming whoever twisted the rolls of wire together did so really tight for the least amount of splice loss.

    still better off with 22 gauge twisted pair... you will have more cap and coil with that, but the resistance will be constant.

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    1. Re:all conductors are Really Crappy Lines (RCL) by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Isn't 24AWG more common?
      That's what they used for the old cat3 phone lines. Sometimes as thin as 28AWG, but I didn't think it went down to 22.

    2. Re: all conductors are Really Crappy Lines (RCL) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean UP to 22? You know how this works, right?

  16. More than a "better conductor" by Angst+Badger · · Score: 3, Informative

    Salt water is more than just a better conductor than fresh water. Pure water doesn't conduct electricity at all; it's an insulator, and it's used as such in some specialized applications. Tap water will conduct electricity, but that's because of various impurities, many of which are intentionally introduced for practical purposes, like the chlorine ions that kill microbes and the fluoride added to remineralize your teeth.

    A minor nitpick, I know, but I've always been fascinated by the way what we think of as water's conductivity isn't actually a property of water itself.

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    1. Re:More than a "better conductor" by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      Salt water is more than just a better conductor than fresh water. Pure water doesn't conduct electricity at all; it's an insulator,

      Pure water is slightly ionic due to its amphoteric properties, though in practice there's not much conductivity to measure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    2. Re:More than a "better conductor" by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 2

      > Pure water doesn't conduct electricity at all;

      The resistamce for pure water is rated as roughly 18 MOhm for one square centimeter electrodes, one centimeter apart. This is not a perfect insulator. It's certainly enough to dissipate static charges. Also, water is _rarely_ that pure and neutral in pH in nature.

    3. Re:More than a "better conductor" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, water is _rarely_ that pure and neutral in pH in nature.

      I can't think of any place that pure water exists in nature. Also, pure water absorbs CO2 from air and becomes acidic pretty rapidly.

  17. Comcast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have they received the patent infringement from Comcast yet?

  18. Re:bad writeup by bib1620 · · Score: 0

    Yeah, that "arrogant fuck", Jim Al-Khalili, is a theoretical physicist. Go look him up shit for brain, and look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/....

  19. NBN by godel_56 · · Score: 1

    In future Australia's NBN network roll out will be adopting wet string as an upgrade.

  20. This is a repeat, I think. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone has been watching too much MacGyver...

    Give this guy a little bit of wire, wet string, and a used condom, and he'll make interstellar travel not only possible, but economical...

  21. Adaptability of ADSL by ShivasEye · · Score: 1

    From the last line of the article (yes I actually read it)
    "This can be important when it comes to faulty lines with bad (or even disconnected) joints still providing some level of broadband service.”

    I can attest to this. My phone line broke, or at least one of the pair of wires did, about 100 yards from my house (according to the TDR readings taken by the BT engineer that came to fix it). I still retained about 7Mbps down and 1MBPs up but could not make landline phone calls. My normal speeds normally hit whatever limit they put on my connection, which at the time was 40Mbps down and 8Mbps up.

  22. Re: bad writeup by OolimPhon · · Score: 1

    Strange. I didn't know radar used photons.

  23. Barbed wire fence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    20 years ago working for a turnkey cable modem company we had a customer just outside our serviceable area. He used the barbed wire fence that ran between his property and the neighbor (Who was in our service area) to connect a cable modem. As I recall this had only about 12dB attenuation over the half mile run.
    This was pre-DOCSIS, and Teryon made good stuff.

  24. Broadband? Bah, humbub. by sbjornda · · Score: 1
    You youngsters... Broadband? Why, back in my day, we had to make do with using Kermit over a wet string!

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  25. Faster to post snail mail by Cattrance · · Score: 1

    Hey look, there's Australia's new broadband network!

  26. Kermit, wet string? pah! You were lucky by MrKaos · · Score: 1

    We were stuck with cu and beating the bits out with sticks against trees.

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  27. Bah, humbub. by MrKaos · · Score: 1

    Now that we've been introduced, whatever you disagree with me about your actions suggest your viewpoint is so flimsy it would fail if you needed to defend it against me. I'm happy to have triggered you.

    I'm gonna guess you are one of the toxic misandric people I'm talking about and the worst thing I could possibly say to you is:

    Have a great Christmas

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