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NASA, Google Spot Eighth Planet in Solar System Rivaling Ours (cnet.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: Google isn't just good for finding cat videos on the internet. The search giant's machine learning technology is also helping search the universe for planets outside our solar system. NASA on Thursday revealed the discovery of blazing-hot exoplanet Kepler-90i thanks to the use of a Google neural network trained to identify planets from the NASA Kepler space telescope's data. It's the eighth planet discovered in the Kepler-90 system, which ties it with our own solar system for the most known planets around a single star. Kepler-90 is a sun-like star located around 2,545 light-years from us.

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  1. In Solar System?! Oh no... by sanosuke001 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, the title makes it sound they found more plants rivaling our planet in our solar system. At least say "NASA, Google Spot Eighth Exoplanet in a Solar System Rivaling Our Own"

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    1. Re:In Solar System?! Oh no... by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      The google images shows them having switch blades.

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    2. Re:In Solar System?! Oh no... by pots · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Star System, yes? The Solar System is the star system surrounding Sol, right?

      Had the same confusion.

    3. Re:In Solar System?! Oh no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, the title makes it sound they found more plants rivaling our planet in our solar system. At least say "NASA, Google Spot Eighth Exoplanet in a Solar System Rivaling Our Own"

      How about just "over-hyped tech company adds more hype to over-hyped project to document minor variations in the intensity of light measured from objects too distant to ever matter to anyone or anything on Earth."

    4. Re:In Solar System?! Oh no... by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Thank you.

      Our star is Sol. Our star system is the Solar System.

    5. Re: In Solar System?! Oh no... by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Not only that, the system - 2500 fucking light years away - is nothing like our own. Eight planets?? How arbitrary... and underwelming.

    6. Re: In Solar System?! Oh no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed misleading... Remove this from Slashdot immediately. Apologies are in order. I do love the switch blade comment btw.

    7. Re:In Solar System?! Oh no... by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      Does it?

      When they came for Pluto, I did not speak out ...

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    8. Re: In Solar System?! Oh no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And UrAnus!

    9. Re: In Solar System?! Oh no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And there is only one Geyser, and it is located in Iceland.

    10. Re: In Solar System?! Oh no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is one of those 'they are all star systems but one one is a Solar system' things (ya know like all forests have trees not all trees are forests)

    11. Re:In Solar System?! Oh no... by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      No, that's the Latin name for the Sun, though we use that word as base for adjectives. It's just the fucking Sun in English.

    12. Re: In Solar System?! Oh no... by backslashdot · · Score: 1

      We can get there in 100,000 years if we start building generation ships 1000 years from now. Traveling at 3% of the speed of light is not inconceivable.

    13. Re: In Solar System?! Oh no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The other AC was pointing out another situation that is similar. In older languages geysers were named something similar to "hot fountain" and the Great Geysir was a specific one in Iceland. "They are all hot fountains, but only one is a Geysir" would have been true 400-ish years ago. Now the proper name has become a generic name for all similar things.

      It is pretty common for things discovered in science to adopt a name from the first example, especially when the phenomena is found to be more common. Literally Cepheid variables would imply the star is in the constellation Cepheus, but is a general term named after the first example: Delta Cephei. Trojan asteroids used to specifically refer to asteroids in Jupiter-Sun L5 Lagrangian point , but now refers to asteroids in the L4 or L5 point of any planet.

      Solar system is a bit more grey, as I've seen scientists both use it and not use it to describe other planetary systems. I haven't noticed any journals taking a stance on what term to use, although I haven't published anything about exoplanets (unlike for the Sun, where some journals quite clearly use Sun and not Sol as the official name).

    14. Re:In Solar System?! Oh no... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      This. It's like "luna", anyone who uses it is a pretentious wanker too.

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    15. Re:In Solar System?! Oh no... by OneAhead · · Score: 1

      So? GP didn't claim "sol" was English, and did demonstrate how it was used as a base for an adjective...

      While I don't have much love for GP, I fail to see anything wrong (leave alone offensive) in the post you replied to.

    16. Re:In Solar System?! Oh no... by sanosuke001 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I assumed that was an editor error. Why the animosity?

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    17. Re:In Solar System?! Oh no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The term 'stellar system' really needs to see increased use by the media (and /. editors).

    18. Re:In Solar System?! Oh no... by sexconker · · Score: 1

      You're all mixed up. The name is Sol. It's not "the Sun", nor is it "The Sun". It would be "the sun", or "our sun" or "a sun". The word "sun" is a generic term for a star with planets orbiting it (actually, orbiting the barycenter of the system).

      The phrase "the sun" is a planetary-centric expression referring to the star in the planet's system (or one of the multiple in the system). The sun effects various phenomena upon the planet, such as sunrise, sunset, sunshine, etc. When referring to exoplanets you would still refer to "sunrise" and "sunset" despite the star (or stars) involved not being Sol, our sun.

      Futher, "Sol" is not the Latin name for the sun. The Latin word "sol" literally means sun. Both "sol" and "sun" come from the same word, which had two forms - saw[el] / suw[en]. The form "saw" was usually formed with the suffix "el", for "sawel", leading to "sol". The form "suw" was usually formed with the suffix "en", for "suwen", leading to "sun".

      Thus, you can still call them "solar panels" (note the lower case s) even when the star involved isn't Sol.

    19. Re:In Solar System?! Oh no... by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      absolutely false, you are ignorant of astronomy. Educate your ignorant self before spewing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    20. Re:In Solar System?! Oh no... by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      the point is astronomy in English speaking countries calls that star the Sun. It is not called "Sol".

    21. Re:In Solar System?! Oh no... by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Nope, u dum.

  2. frosty plante by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


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    1. Re:frosty plante by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      It's "Eighth Planet in (Solar System Rivaling[sic] Ours)", I think. Though I see where you're coming from.

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    2. Re: frosty plante by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      u should do ascii goatse instead

    3. Re:frosty plante by sexconker · · Score: 1

      NBIRU!

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  4. You standards are too high by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These are Slashdot "editors" we're talking about.

    What's great about Slashdot editors? They're a shining beacon of hope for all mankind!

    WUT?!?! you say?

    Of course Slashdot editors are a shining beacon of hope for everyone! They're proof that even an anencephalic baboon can get a job working on a computer in today's world!

    Isn't that wonderful?

    1. Re:You standards are too high by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These are Slashdot "editors" we're talking about.

      What's great about Slashdot editors? hey're a shining beacon of hope for all mankind! (...)

      This obsession with Slashdot editors is getting old. Show some appreciation for they making it possible for us to convene in this virtual place. They make a fine job.

    2. Re: You standards are too high by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I, for one, welcome our editor overlords and hope their reign is long and glorious.

  5. Headline fail by Dan+East · · Score: 1

    Danger! Danger! Slashdot headline failure detected!

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  6. Google isn't just good for finding cat videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    SHUT THE FUCK UP

  7. Needs one more. NDgT can suck it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It needs one more.

    "Bats are blind" Neil deGrasse Tyson can suck it.

    Yes, that's his actual tweet that states bats are blind.

    That's a GREAT SCIENTIST! for you, folks.

  8. Re:The real credit for this discovery goes to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yeah because nazi germany and the ussr were totally incapable of any kind of scientific breakthroughs....

  9. Would someone tell me how this happened? by Digital+Mage · · Score: 5, Funny

    We were the fucking vanguard of the galaxy. The Solar System was the place to be. Then some other system comes out with 8 planets. Were we scared? Hell, no. Because we hit back with a little thing called Pluto. That was a honey of a planet with a sweet ass name. But you know what happened next? Shut up, I'm telling you what happened—the bastards downgraded it to a dwarf planet. Now we're standing around with our cocks in our hands, selling 8 planets and a gimp. Gimp or not, suddenly we're the chumps. Well, fuck it. We're going to 12 planets...and a moisture strip.

    1. Re:Would someone tell me how this happened? by swb · · Score: 1

      Please tell me you made that up, it's the funniest thing I've read in a while.

      I'm especially going to use the "But you know what happened next? Shut up, I'm telling you what happened" in all the stories I tell.

    2. Re:Would someone tell me how this happened? by iggymanz · · Score: 3, Informative

      that's based on the Onion parady of the multi-blade razor offerings

      https://www.theonion.com/fuck-...

    3. Re:Would someone tell me how this happened? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The rhetorical in that format is actually ancient.

      The most notable anecdote I can offer is one from around 2002 on IRC: "... ? why/because ..."

      It is important why/because this abbreviation is amazing.

    4. Re:Would someone tell me how this happened? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Our solar system has the best planets, believe me! Those Google planets are all fake planets, fake...planets! They were "discovered" by loser "scientists" who work for CNN. I know more about astronomy than Wheelchair Hawkings, believe me! I put the "me" in "astronome". It's not astronohillary, is it! Noooo. I gave Saturn's rings to Melania as a wedding gift. Loved 'em! Crooked Hillary got Uranus. So sad.

      And illegal aliens demoted Pluto trying to rig the electoral college counts. I mean Earth aliens, not goofy short green bastards who go bleep bleep like that gimp reporter; who will pay for the wall, by the way. Build a bigly Dyson Wall and Make Earth Great Again!

    5. Re:Would someone tell me how this happened? by Radical+Moderate · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the link. Epic. You don't happen to know if there's a video of Christopher Walken reading this on the internets somewhere? Cuz there should be.

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    6. Re: Would someone tell me how this happened? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You missed the bit where, for over sixty years, the Solar system had fourteen planets?

      The era finished when the concept of 'asteroids' was approved and rolled out into general use.

      Believe me, young feller, your planet loyalty for Pluto is trivial and fleeting compared to my longstanding snd abiding planet loyalty to Ceres.

      Not only Earth abides. Ceresly.

  10. Re:The real credit for this discovery goes to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd go further and say that the real thanks goes to the brave WWII American veterans of our "greatest generation" who laid the foundations of peace and prosperity to allow the growth of scientific knowledge. If the Nazis won, we wouldn't even have nuclear technology or even rockets.

  11. Why, NASA? by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wish NASA changed their approach to these things. This is a nice finding all right, but it hardly warrants a TV release, much less the mystery associated with "next Thursday we are going to make an announcement". A simple press release, without any drama, would have been more than enough. By proceeding the way the are, NASA are stirring up false expectations in the public. When the announcement is made, the public may be forgiven for thinking "And this is the big announcement?". NASA has been crying wolf for years. They will be able to cry wolf not so many more times, before the general public becomes apathetic and indifferent to NASA's announcements. And, when that happens, NASA's annual budget will go down. Please, NASA, stop it.

    1. Re:Why, NASA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you suggest they do for funding? More AGW FUD?

    2. Re: Why, NASA? by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Mod up... and fuck off, NASA; this was a waste of our interest levels and a solid embarrassment to yourselves.

    3. Re:Why, NASA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This, to be honest.
      As a universe-geek, even this was a massive let-down.
      A basic press-release would have done this more justice.
      Go in-depth on the channel about how the methodology was done, how machine-learning scoured through the data to find it and such for those of us interested in that area. Done.

    4. Re:Why, NASA? by Kjella · · Score: 2

      A simple press release, without any drama, would have been more than enough. By proceeding the way the are, NASA are stirring up false expectations in the public.

      If you don't want the public to be aware that NASA is doing anything at all, sure. It's a bit sad that they have to resort to such a clickbait tactic, but at least by creating a bit of fuss and mystery the press feels compelled to run the main story because of all those who'll click to get the answer. Otherwise it's just another yawner from NASA who only a few space nerds will click on that might not even be worth running. People are already apathetic and indifferent, unless it's alien life or a warp drive it probably won't affect them one bit. True, Musk got some momentum going for Mars but in NASA's plans it's in the 2030s and you can't keep the excitement that long. The analogy doesn't work anyway, the day NASA really got breaking news they'll all be running the story no matter what.

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    5. Re:Why, NASA? by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      If only NASA could go back to Muslim outreach like in the Obama years.

      New frontiers of sensitivity, blaming America first, solving made up problems, without giving any single country any advantage in the process.

  12. There is only one "Solar System" by MikeDataLink · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are many "star systems". Our is called the Solar System because our sun's name is Sol.

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    1. Re:There is only one "Solar System" by Andreas+Mayer · · Score: 2

      There are many "star systems". Our is called the Solar System because our sun's name is Sol.

      Actually, sol is just latin for sun. Not sure that counts as a proper name.

    2. Re:There is only one "Solar System" by MikeDataLink · · Score: 1

      Actually, sol is just latin for sun. Not sure that counts as a proper name.

      Not trying to be a jerk with this reply, but your feelings are not facts.

      Solar System: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      "This article is about the Sun and its planetary system. For other similar systems, see Star system": Star System: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      The Sun: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      "The Latin name for the Sun, Sol, is not common in general English language use; the adjectival form is the related word solar."

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    3. Re: There is only one "Solar System" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to do solar physics before changing to a different plasma physics subfield, and at least all of the journals I remember dealing with had implicit or explicit rules that the name is "Sun" for English. As far as I've seen, Sol is a sci-fi term, while scientists, in at least a couple relevant fields, don't use that name.

      Solar system gets used for other places too. Astronomy is rife with objects named after an archetype.

    4. Re:There is only one "Solar System" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So solar panels won't work in other star systems?

    5. Re:There is only one "Solar System" by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Did you even read what you wrote?

      The Latin name for the Sun, Sol, is not common in general English language use

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  13. meowter space by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    8 planets full of cat videos, oh my!

  14. Honestly who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We can't get there by any means we have or can see in the next 100 years. Why are we wasting all this money and acting like this is a HUGE find. Honestly, who cares?

  15. The spell is fading, space nutters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NASA proclamations from on high just don't have the same zing?

    You need to get rid of your space religion. It's all fake. The Earth is flat.

  16. Parser error by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What in fuck's name does that headline mean?

    1. Re:Parser error by Megane · · Score: 1

      The eighth planet has a google spot on it and is jealous of our solar system.

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  17. I can see how this went. by um.yup. · · Score: 0

    A NASA engineer googled, "is there an 8th planet"

  18. The Sun Creed by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    This is my sun. There are many like it, but this one is mine.

  19. Computational Astronomy by h8sg8s · · Score: 1

    Computational Astronomy, the confluence of past/current astronomical data with machine learning will truly transform what we think of as astronomy. With telescopes like LSST coming online in the next few years things are about to get really interesting.

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  20. KNOWN exoplanets by jgoemat · · Score: 1

    Our own solar system would not look like it to aliens from another star using a Kepler-like detection system. Because the orbits of the planets in our system have different inclinations, even if they could detect one of our planets the chances are small that they could detect another. In fact they would never be able to detect more than 3 of our planets using that method (Mercury+Earth+Mars or Mercury+Venus+Saturn). About 95% of the time when they could see one planet transit they wouldn't be able to see any others.

    Also the mission as it is would not have detected any planets past mars. It has only been operational since 2009 and requires two transits to confirm, so planets like Jupiter with a 11 year orbit and Saturn with a 29 year orbit could not have been detected.

    So these systems where we've detected multiple planets are actually unlike our own system, having many planets that are close to their star and in the same plane. The systems where only a planet or two have been detected are probably more like our own system, we have no way to tell if there are other planets with different inclinations or further out.