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France Passes Law To Ban All Oil, Gas Production By 2040 (cbsnews.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from CBS News: France's parliament has approved a law banning all exploration and production of oil and natural gas by 2040 within the country and its overseas territories. Under that law that passed a final vote on Tuesday, existing drilling permits will not be renewed and no new exploration licenses will be granted. The French government claims the ban is a world first. However, it is largely symbolic since oil and gas produced in France accounts for just 1 percent of domestic consumption. The rest is imported. French President Emmanuel Macron responded to the approval of the law on Twitter, saying in part: "Very proud that France has become the first country in the world today to ban any new oil exploration licenses with immediate effect and all oil extraction by 2040."

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  1. what form of government is this? by iggymanz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    making completely symbolic bans that will not provide alternative energy, nor curtail use of fossil fuels in any way....is there a name for government by marketing shitheads?

    1. Re:what form of government is this? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Doubt it will happen

      Indeed. They are already backpedaling after the marketing department had a talk with the engineers.

  2. Re:Makes me happy i'm not a French Citizen by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

    People working in industries that pollute the planet and endanger public health aren't automagically entitled to "jerbs." Bet you'd have said the same about workers who produced DDT pesticides and lead paint.

  3. Re:When the resource wars start by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No, the French will be happily reprocessing nuclear fuel and laughing at the schmucks who are still reliant on fossil fools.

  4. Tartuferie by manu0601 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is very symbolic: french does not export much oil, and the law does not curb on oil importations.

    A side note: France does not burn much oil because it uses a lot of nuclear power. However french cars still use fuel for the most of them.

    1. Re:Tartuferie by mentil · · Score: 3, Funny

      So you're saying we need Mr. Fusion?

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    2. Re:Tartuferie by manu0601 · · Score: 2

      Energy use or oil use? Since most energy produced in France is from nuclear, that makes a huge difference.

  5. Re:Makes me happy i'm not a French Citizen by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

    Largely a myth about the 20 million people -- bugs were developing DDT resistance, and DDT is not banned in countries that actually need it. Glad the US stepped up and banned it, though. Humanity without a clean ecosystem and healthy plants/animals is nothing.

  6. Re: When the resource wars start by dbialac · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wait until they find out what plastic is made from.

  7. Re: When the resource wars start by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Perfect excuse to reduce unnecessary use of plastic drastically.

  8. Gas Production by mentil · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In other news, gas produced by political windbags set to hold steady indefinitely.

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  9. Not for long by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 5, Informative

    Only until they realize that there are many non-fuel related uses of oil such as plastics, pharmaceuticals, clothing/fabrics, asphalt etc. Then there is the question about how to power their aircraft.

    1. Re:Not for long by phayes · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hot Air Monsieur! HOT AIR!

      Our politicians here in France have hot air in abundance!

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    2. Re:Not for long by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Only until they realize that there are many non-fuel related uses of oil such as plastics, pharmaceuticals, clothing/fabrics, asphalt etc.

      Considering oil is a non-renewable source, it's better that we resolve such issues while we still have the luxury of having an abundant amount of oil. What you need to realize is that many things were developed to use oil because it was so abundant. We're making headway with plastics (see bioplastics) and that's really the biggest issue here.

      Then there is the question about how to power their aircraft.

      I've thought about this exact issue and my conclusion was that hydrogen fuel cells is the best alternative based on current technology. It would be more expensive but all you need is water and electricity to make what you need.

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  10. Re:When the resource wars start by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

    Hydrogen will work for aircraft.

    Ocean freighters could be nuclear-powered. See also the Otto Hahn and NS Savannah.

  11. wow brave. by gravewax · · Score: 5, Funny

    That is the equivalent of Australia banning Polar Bear hunting or the US banning all Koala skin exports, very brave move

  12. Sum total effect of this by kenh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    However, it is largely symbolic since oil and gas produced in France accounts for just 1 percent of domestic consumption. The rest is imported.

    The sum total effect of this is that France will go from importing 99% of it's oil and gas needs to 100%, big deal.

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  13. Re:United States by kenh · · Score: 2

    A decision to keep using oil and gas, but just stop producing it would accomplish what, exactly? Do you imagine importing oil and gas somehow lowers greenhouse gasses?

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  14. Re:They will riot anyways and repeal it by kenh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What are you talking about, they said they'd stop producing oil and gas, they never said they'd stop using oil and gas.

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  15. Need hydrogen jet, not fuel cell by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2

    I've thought about this exact issue and my conclusion was that hydrogen fuel cells is the best alternative based on current technology.

    The problem with this is that fuel cells generate electricity so you are now limiting yourself to a propeller aircraft which will be a lot slower than current jet technology. Even if you develop a hydrogen jet engine storing the fuel it needs is currently something we do not have the technology for since high pressure tanks are extremely heavy since they are metal and carbon fibre ones have far lower pressures.

    It's certainly possible that there could be technological solutions to these problems before 2040 but isn't the sensible thing to develop the technology first and THEN motivate the switch to it by passing laws. Picking some arbitrary timescale and enshrining it in law is just daft when meeting the deadline depends on something over which you have no control.

    1. Re:Need hydrogen jet, not fuel cell by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Even if you develop a hydrogen jet engine storing the fuel it needs is currently something we do not have the technology for since high pressure tanks are extremely heavy since they are metal and carbon fibre ones have far lower pressures

      And yet...the Saturn V managed to store LH2 just fine. As did the Space Shuttle. And both of them flew....

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    2. Re:Need hydrogen jet, not fuel cell by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

      It's certainly possible that there could be technological solutions to these problems before 2040 but isn't the sensible thing to develop the technology first and THEN motivate the switch to it by passing laws.

      Necessity is the mother of invention.

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    3. Re:Need hydrogen jet, not fuel cell by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Informative

      ...at a terrible cost of keeping it liquified, for a short period of time, and with a density of only 70 kg per cubic meter. At an energy density one fourth that of jet fuel. And without any concern for fuel price (tens of dollars per kilogram).

      Neither of those vehicles you mention made it into orbit without non-hydrogen propulsion. S-V needed a lot of kerosene, and the STS effectively burned a lot of rubber to get into orbit. And the reason why hydrogen was even used was the impact of Isp in the rocket equation on the efficiency of upper stages, with Isp for a rocket being effectively the exhaust velocity, which is much higher if your fuel is hydrogen rich, and there's nothing richer in hydrogen than hydrogen. Jets, however, face a completely different problem since the exhaust velocity is immaterial; they're heating lots of air with comparatively little fuel, and here's where the 25% energy density of hydrogen bites you in the ass: even at massive Isps allowed for by pushing lots of mildly hot air around, the constant drag means that you need a lot of fuel for long-distance flights. Now multiply the tank volume by four. And, oh, add insulation for a 250 K temperature differential between the airplane skin and the tank...

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    4. Re:Need hydrogen jet, not fuel cell by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      Even if you develop a hydrogen jet engine storing the fuel it needs is currently something we do not have the technology for since high pressure tanks are extremely heavy since they are metal and carbon fibre ones have far lower pressures

      And yet...the Saturn V managed to store LH2 just fine. As did the Space Shuttle. And both of them flew....

      Just fine is relative, as is "flew". The Saturn V had kerosene as the first stage propellant due to the low energy density of hydrogen. It produced the thrust necessary to get the damn heavy thing off the the ground, something LH2 was not capable of. LH2 only came into play at the second stage as it is far more efficient fuel to burn once moving.

      While we're at it have you seen a crosssection of the LH2 storage tank? The thickness of insulation needed to keep the LH2 in liquid form at suitable pressures was wider than most fuel tanks are round. You can overcome a whole lot of hurdles when you have lots of space for your storage tank.

      Car makers have been playing with hydrogen fuel for a while no. So far no one has come up with a method of doing it without bonding the hydrogen to some other material. Hydrogen storage is not a solved problem.

  16. So, they're shutting off oil production in Gabon? by SEE · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Oh, wait, I forgot, we're all supposed to pretend Gabon's independent.

    Sure, French relations with Gabon are still managed out of the old colonial office rather than from the ministry of foreign affairs, and France's treasury backs their currency, and there are a bunch of French troops permanently stationed in the country, and (now deceased) Gabonese president Omar Bongo said "Gabon without France is like a car with no driver. France without Gabon is like a car with no fuel." But Gabon is an independent country, you bet.