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Google Maps's Moat: How Far Ahead of Apple Maps is Google Maps? (justinobeirne.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: Over the past year, we've been comparing Google Maps and Apple Maps in New York, San Francisco, and London -- but some of the biggest differences are outside of large cities. That's a comprehensive comparison. Google Maps, unlike Apple Maps, doesn't stop at outlining the routes. It offers contextual details such as depiction of buildings and other structures and vegetation. It has captured everything -- from dish antennae on top of buildings to golf courses. Furthermore, Google Maps also shows name of the neighbourhood, and has more distinguishable icons and colors. You can glance at a portion of the map on Google Maps and get a good picture of what's in that place. Apple Maps, on the other hand, looks empty. Like an unfurnished house.

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  1. Depends on how many features Google takes away by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Google maps was great... then they decide to take away features randomly that are extremely useful.

    At least Apple Maps is consistent.

    1. Re:Depends on how many features Google takes away by Eloking · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...and to whom they are selling the data. At least I know Apple isn't monetizing the information about where I drive.

      Hahaha that's a good one!

      From Apple's website :

      At times Apple may make certain personal information available to strategic partners that work with Apple to provide products and services, or that help Apple market to customers.

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    2. Re: Depends on how many features Google takes away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Umm...no...theyâ(TM)re not. Iâ(TM)ll gladly criticize Apple, Google or any other company if I think theyâ(TM)re doing something wrong. In this case, Tim Cook has been adamant that Apple doesnâ(TM)t track what you do with their products. The only tracking they do is in the App Store, which is to be expected. But Maps? Nope. Which would explain why itâ(TM)s not quite as good as Google Maps.

    3. Re:Depends on how many features Google takes away by sh00z · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly my point. when Apple uses my data, it's to improve my user experience with Apple hardware and software. When Google uses my data, I have no idea where it goes. Most likely to improve "targeted" advertising, but they will literally sell that information to anyone willing to pay.

    4. Re:Depends on how many features Google takes away by AvitarX · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's back, but for a long while they removed the ability to download offline maps.

      Another one they still don't have (I think) is search based layers, replaced most closely with the ability to search and add a waypoint to your route (I usually used it to have a gas station layer on long trips).

      Offline maps came back after over a year, but I don't believe search based layers ever has.

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    5. Re: Depends on how many features Google takes away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      We may collect information such as occupation, language, zip code, area code, unique device identifier, referrer URL, location, and the time zone where an Apple product is used so that we can better understand customer behavior and improve our products, services, and advertising.
      We may collect information regarding customer activities on our website, iCloud services, our iTunes Store, App Store, Mac App Store, App Store for Apple TV and iBooks Stores and from our other products and services. This information is aggregated and used to help us provide more useful information to our customers and to understand which parts of our website, products, and services are of most interest. Aggregated data is considered nonpersonal information for the purposes of this Privacy Policy.

    6. Re:Depends on how many features Google takes away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Are your for real? Making Google Maps way better than Apple's offering is one good example of a place where your data is used.

      Sheeeze, Apple fanboys...

    7. Re:Depends on how many features Google takes away by stephanruby · · Score: 2

      Which ones? It's true that they keep on shuffling features around, but overall, I think that both Google Maps and Google Waze have been improving.

    8. Re:Depends on how many features Google takes away by gnick · · Score: 5, Insightful

      when Apple uses my data, it's to improve my user experience with Apple hardware and software.

      Apple may make certain personal information available to strategic partners

      Apple's "strategic partners" are not Apple.

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    9. Re:Depends on how many features Google takes away by Dog-Cow · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Google uses your data to show ads to you. How does that improve anyone's life?

    10. Re:Depends on how many features Google takes away by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 4, Informative

      You should really include a link and indicate that there’s more in the paragraph. https://www.apple.com/ca/legal/privacy/en-ww/

      Disclosure to Third Parties
      At times Apple may make certain personal information available to strategic partners that work with Apple to provide products and services, or that help Apple market to customers. For example, when you purchase and activate your iPhone, you authorize Apple and your carrier to exchange the information you provide during the activation process to carry out service. If you are approved for service, your account will be governed by Apple and your carrier’s respective privacy policies. Personal information will only be shared by Apple to provide or improve our products, services and advertising; it will not be shared with third parties for their marketing purposes.

    11. Re:Depends on how many features Google takes away by amalcolm · · Score: 2

      By paying for the serice thy provide ?

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    12. Re:Depends on how many features Google takes away by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

      I block their ads. Everybody's happy.

    13. Re:Depends on how many features Google takes away by Albanach · · Score: 2

      Apple defines personal information as "data that can be used to identify or contact a single person." Which means their statement above is pretty much the same as Google when it comes to privacy.

      Google says:

      We may share non-personally identifiable information publicly and with our partners – like publishers, advertisers or connected sites. For example, we may share information publicly to show trends about the general use of our services.

    14. Re:Depends on how many features Google takes away by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2

      Google uses my data, I have no idea where it goes. Most likely to improve "targeted" advertising, but they will literally sell that information to anyone willing to pay.

      No, they don't "literally" sell that information, let alone sell it at all. If they did, their shareholders would be pissed at google for helping its competitors compete against its biggest revenue source. Think about it: If you owned an ad company that worked primarily off of data you gathered yourself, why the fuck would you turn that over to a competitor instead of having them pay much more over the long term to place ads on your advertising platform? That means less growth, which shareholders really don't like.

    15. Re:Depends on how many features Google takes away by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Waypoints, departure times from the app (iPhone at least), street view integration, several others that escape me. From Google, I now need Maps, Waze, Earth, and the frigging web site to get what used to all be in one place.

    16. Re:Depends on how many features Google takes away by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      Well they show me ads for things that I might be interested in. We all use ad blockers but you can't block all the ads. Some are going to get through. I would rather have a ad on the side of my page that shows something I'm interested in. Like a new scifi show, graphics card, or video games. I don't want to see ads for hemorrhoid cream or the latest do it yourself hair cut systems.

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    17. Re:Depends on how many features Google takes away by beanpoppa · · Score: 2

      Example- Google uses my map data (and the data from all other Google Maps/Waze users) to see how fast traffic is moving on every road, which is turn fed back to me so I can see which route to take on my way home. Surely they are also selling this information to other consumers of traffic data, but I certainly get value out of this.

  2. Old joke by jfdavis668 · · Score: 5, Funny

    A man using Apple Maps walks into a bar, or a hotel, or possibly a church...

    1. Re:Old joke by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I haven't used Apple Maps for a while, but when they launched here it turned out that they'd bought maps from TomTom, who bought them from a company that they acquired in 1992 - and those maps hadn't been updated since. It was an interesting historical snapshot, and mostly buildings hadn't changed (a load of them have been here for the best part of 800 years, so only a few were obviously wrong), but a lot of pubs had changed names since then and so it was quite confusing.

      That said, last time I was near the Google Maps HQ, I had a look at Google Maps and OpenStreetMap and found that the OSM data was better. I mostly use OSMAnd for mapping - it's open source and stores offline vector maps and does offline routing (for car, pedestrian, and bicycle). I find the Google maps difficult to read - roads are only two colours, irrespective of type, and not the standard colours for a road atlas. About the only feature that Google Maps has that I'd like is live traffic data.

      I've just looked at Google Maps, and they do now have my house! I've been living here for over a year and it was built about a year before that. They don't, however, have the houses on the other three sides of the square (or, in fact, the roads for two sides). They also don't have the road that runs around the back of ours, or any of the 23 houses on those roads, or either of the blocks of flats. Oh, and the roads that they do have are in the wrong place and include a large road where there's now a block of flats, two small roads over a park, and one through someone's house. Now, compare that to OSM: They have all of the roads, house numbers for all of the houses and one of the blocks of flats, the footpath that cuts through one row of houses to the row begin, the park in the middle of the square, and the footpaths across the park. The other block is in a part that is marked as under construction, so I at least know that the map might be wrong (Google doesn't even appear to have any indication of construction work). We moved from around the corner and the Google Maps data there is weirdly wrong. It's as if they tried to draw a map by asking drunk people where things are: there are no gaps between buildings that have a driveway between them, there's a take-away at the wrong end of a row, and so on.

      Some of the buildings on Google Maps are extruded, but not consistently and they don't appear to have any correlation with the heights of the buildings (three story house: flat, 1-story shop next to it: extruded).

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    2. Re:Old joke by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      I wonder if someone at Google read my post and prodded their system. In the few hours since I posted, they have now updated it so that there are roads. Unfortunately, they now place the road running through my kitchen (and my nextdoor neighbours' kitchens on both sides), rather than in front of my house. Their satellite data shows a building site, so it looks as if it's 18-24 months old.

      In the UK, the government (largely in response to pressure from OSM contributors) released the ordinance survey data (the official UK maps) under a license that made it useable by the OSM project. For some reason, none of the commercial mapping projects seem to be using this data. In Cambridge, the university has maintained its own maps, including detail that isn't easily accessible to members of the general public (locations inside colleges and so on). A few years ago, they realised that they were spending a lot of money to get less good quality maps than most commercial offerings, so they uploaded all of their data to OSM and now just keep that up to date and provide an OSM renderer that looks like their old maps system (and renders some university-specific details that the default OSM renderer doesn't). This means that the OSM data here is very good (for example, it knows about cycle paths, road closures, and so on).

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  3. Apple Maps directions will lead you into a moat by JoeyRox · · Score: 2

    Apple's map database is downright horrendous. It's almost like they intentionally want to mislead drivers as a practical joke.

    1. Re:Apple Maps directions will lead you into a moat by tk77 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I guess it depends on where you use it. I had a party at a relatives house and Google Maps kept refusing to use their address correctly. Every time I entered it, it would change it to something else and put it on the same road, but opposite side of a park. Apple Maps accepted the address and correctly located it.

    2. Re:Apple Maps directions will lead you into a moat by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      More specifically, Apple seems to be way behind on AI. Much of the detail on Google maps is image recognition software looking at satellite photos and street view images. As TFA shows, Google uses that to fix all the mistakes that plague Apple Maps, as well as adding millions of buildings in great detail and information from street signs.

      Apple's other AI product, Siri, is crap too and way behind. They usually buy tech they need, maybe there is no one to buy.

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  4. OpenStreetMap by Max_W · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I use OpenStreetMap http://www.osm.org/ . It is kind of Wikipedia approach to mapping.

    By the way, I use this web application to view Wikipedia articles on the OSM map: http://ausleuchtung.ch/geo_wik... . It works for all language versions of Wikipedia, and to view hotels, supermarkets, etc. this one: http://ausleuchtung.ch/travel_...

    1. Re:OpenStreetMap by Baron_Yam · · Score: 2

      I also use OSM (and I recommend the OSMAND app on my Android devices).

      I have also done some GIS work and poured over the OSM data in excruciating detail (covering all road segments in an area over a million square kilometers).

      DO NOT rely on OSM data, especially anywhere outside a major urban center - the data quality is extremely poor in places. I've seen incorrect street names, and even worse I've seen the correct street name but on the wrong street (I'd rather know there's a problem by being unable to find a place than by being routed to the wrong location). I've seen township / municipality incorrectly assigned as well.

    2. Re:OpenStreetMap by Max_W · · Score: 2

      I saw quite a few errors at the commercial maps too. What is worse, I could not correct them quickly or at all. An edit review takes weeks. Sometimes I just leave an error alone. Though, I could edit the OSM map and correct almost any error in real time.

      At the OSM I can record a GPS/GLONASS track while driving, cycling, or walking, and publish it. So it is visible later. It is especially useful in mountains or remote areas, where either there is no satellite imagery, or a path is not visible.

    3. Re:OpenStreetMap by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      The next big thing for mapping is what Google has done - use AI image recognition to add details from satellite photos. Most of the buildings on Google maps are from satellite photos, for example.

      Not sure how OSM can do that but it's the only realistic way to build up that much data. AI and drones?

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    4. Re:OpenStreetMap by adamfranco · · Score: 2

      OsmAnd http://osmand.net/ is a great Android & iOS app for Open Street Map. Tons of features and layers like hill-shades and contour lines make it great for hiking as well.

      Maps.me https://maps.me/download/ is a really pretty app that uses Open Street Map data. It is less customizable than OsmAnd, but more user-friendly.

      I've also enjoyed using the Mapfactor Navigator app when driving https://play.google.com/store/... . It gives a nice 3D view which I can't get with OsmAnd.

      There are many more as well, but these are some of the ones I've found more useful.

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  5. Apple doesn't care about it's maps anyway by DalM · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Apple's maps were only ever intended to act as an insurance policy if Steve Job's thermonuclear war with Google got Google Maps removed from the App Store. That happened for a short time, but now it's back and things have cooled significantly since 2012 on the patent war. Navigation is as much a minimum expectation of a smartphone now as email is. It was only ever developed at all to ensure there would always be maps available for the iPhone. In the event that Google removes Maps from the App Store, Apple will immediately make new, immediate, and significant investments in their program. Until then, they don't care.

    1. Re:Apple doesn't care about it's maps anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      How quickly history becomes vague.

      'Maps' as bundled with iOS has always been an Apple-written app. Between iPhone OS 1.0 and iOS 5 it used Google Maps data. When iOS 6 was released, a rewritten Maps app was bundled using map data from Apple and other non-Google third-parties.

      Google first released their own Google Maps app for iOS several months after iOS 6 was released. This is why there was a short time where you couldn't use a mapping app on iOS powered by Google's map data.

      It was never about Apple or Google pulling an app from the App Store.

    2. Re:Apple doesn't care about it's maps anyway by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      This seems to be a common thing for Apple and Microsoft too.
      If they have a partner offering a Good Product they will make a version for themselves, just in case such partnership goes south, they will not be short of such a tool or feature.
      Sometimes their version evolve directly competes with the other product and sometimes it stays as the inferior product.

      When Windows 95 was released, Microsoft really wasn't in competition with Netscape. IE was To Netscape as Wordpad was to Word, Enough to do the job but not really that well to be in competition. For Microsoft back in 1994-1995 The internet wasn't a big deal, but they were trying to push their MSN service to compete with AOL, where you were expected to spend most of your time in "Microsoft Land" where they controlled everything. However that didn't do too hot, and people started to want internet more then a particular service. So Netscape was getting a lot of usage, and Netscape was getting aggressive with wanting to use Netscape to replace Windows for running applications and be its own OS. This pushed Microsoft to make IE competitive not just a tool to download Netscape, hence the browser wars of the late 1990's.
      Now if MSN kicked off, and internet access was only a tool for the geeky. Then IE would probably just be a basic tool, while Netscape would be a major browser today, probably still competing against Chrome.

       

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  6. Re:Redundant? by TWX · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wherever you have four priests, you have a fifth.

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  7. Apple maps... by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2

    A man was walking in the park with his wife. Suddenly he took his cap off, and his wife asked, "why?". He said, "According to Apple Maps, I am smack bang dang in the middle of First Presbyterian".

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  8. Re:I'm driving. by hey! · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well, if you've ever made any maps with GIS, you'd know that maps aren't just any old artifacts; they're *tools* that support specific *tasks*. Driving from 123 Sesame St to 456 Maple is only one of many possible things you can do with a map. There's deciding whether a park you haven't visited would be a good place to take your toddler. If you've ever done this, you know that you use multiple kinds of details in that particular task. Is the park bordered by busy roads? Does it have a fence? Are there nearby businesses that might have a bathroom?

    I use Google Maps to scout new fishing spots -- I'm looking for places where there is access to a likely looking stream, but not so obvious that there will be someone there already. You can do similar kinds of screening for locating places you might want to visit when you're thinking about opening a business. For these kinds of things you need multiple layers of detail, and those layers have to be visually organized.

    Maps are like pocket knives. You can whittle with a Swiss Army knife, but it's not as good as a purpose-made whittling knife. Adding details layers to maps is like adding blades to a Swiss Army knife; sure it becomes more versatile, but at some point it becomes more awkward to use for certain tasks. The difference is with maps you can use graphic design to emphasize certain features and de-emphasize others. This reduces visual clutter, and makes it easier to use -- sometimes even when the de-emphasized features are needed for a particular tasks. Tasks proceed in steps and each step needs different information. You use high contrast for details that the user scans for, and low visual contrast is acceptable for steps where he's focused on one spot.

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  9. NOT selling data is fundamental to Google by raymorris · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > but they will literally sell that information to anyone willing to pay.

    Quite the opposite. Older companies that acquired data used to sell it, and some still do. One thing. That has made Google so successful is that they are careful to keep the data to themselves. It's their golden goose. They sell ADS that are targeted using the data. That way they can keep selling ads to the same companies for years, rather than selling data once. They never sell the data because then it could be passed around and that would reduce their competitive advantage.

  10. Re:Is Apple Maps still trying to kill people? by BLToday · · Score: 2

    Everything tries to kill in Australia. Apple is just trying to fit in. I mean, even on the nice beaches there are warning signs about crocodiles. I already have to worry about the sharks and now I have to worry about crocodiles too.