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A Federal Ban On Making Lethal Viruses Is Lifted (nytimes.com)

schwit1 shares a report from The New York Times (Warning: source may be paywalled; alternative source): Federal officials on Tuesday ended a moratorium imposed three years ago on funding research that alters germs to make them more lethal. Such work can now proceed, said Dr. Francis S. Collins, the head of the National Institutes of Health, but only if a scientific panel decides that the benefits justify the risks. Some scientists are eager to pursue these studies because they may show, for example, how a bird flu could mutate to more easily infect humans, or could yield clues to making a better vaccine.

Critics say these researchers risk creating a monster germ that could escape the lab and seed a pandemic. Now, a government panel will require that researchers show that their studies in this area are scientifically sound and that they will be done in a high-security lab. The pathogen to be modified must pose a serious health threat, and the work must produce knowledge -- such as a vaccine -- that would benefit humans. Finally, there must be no safer way to do the research. "We see this as a rigorous policy," Dr. Collins said. "We want to be sure we're doing this right."
"Now where are those twelve monkeys?" adds schwit1.

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  1. What Could Possibly Go Wrong? by DatbeDank · · Score: 5, Funny

    So long as Will Smith survives, we'll be fine.

  2. Stephen King by djbckr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Stand, Act One

    1. Re:Stephen King by qzzpjs · · Score: 2

      Just watched that again over the summer. Scary beginning, 99% pointless middle, ends with the evil city destroyed by bad guy Trashcan Man. He's the only character in 8 hours that actually did something to stop Flagg. Still, that first act should be something to pay attention to.

  3. In other news by maglor_83 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Such work can now proceed, said Dr. Francis S. Collins, the head of the National Institutes of Health, but only if a scientific panel decides that the benefits justify the risks. Some scientists are eager to pursue these studies because they may show, for example, how a bird flu could mutate to more easily infect humans, or could yield clues to making a better vaccine.

  4. You Want Zombies? by Templer421 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Because This is How You Get ZOMBIES!

    1. Re:You Want Zombies? by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 2

      Not to worry, viruses NEVER mutate on their own, and containment and procedures will be foolproof and complete, as it will get as much (or more) funding as the research itself.

  5. Gotta catch 'em all... by Mal-2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The rest of the world didn't care about the ban, and neither would domestic terrorists, so it's not really like we're any less safe than before. This should, in theory, allow us to find the "low-hanging fruit" as far as lethal modifications is concerned. Since that's very likely where malicious actors would look, we should be looking too. Only then can we plan a defense against them.

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  6. Will these viruses be available on NCBI? by wisebabo · · Score: 5, Informative

    Speaking purely as a biotechnologist with no interest in creating world ending viruses (virii?).

    Will the genetic sequences of these viruses be available on the genome databases hosted by the NIH, the NCBI? (National Center for Biological Information).

    For those of you who don't know, the U.S. Govt. hosts basically all known genomic data for many many species on the NCBI in the form of complete DNA sequences. If you downloaded the sequences for some of these viruses, you could, with the help of a DNA synthesizer (about $10K-$40K), make some of them. Once injected into a suitable host, they would self-assemble into virulent particles capable of transmittal.

    From what I understand, some of the newer DNA synthesizers "phone home" to tell the appropriate government agencies what you're up to. Also, perhaps there is some mechanism at the NCBI to prevent/monitor you when you attempt to download these sequences.

    Of course, the problem with biological weapons is that they are notoriously hard to control, in fact the first victim(s) may very well be their creator. However for those with apocalyptic visions of paradise after death (70 virgins), that may not be a deterrent.

  7. Way to go!!!! by eclectro · · Score: 2

    We found something else we can blame Trump for now!! Woooohooooo!!

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  8. Wow, someone needs a reality check by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There is scientific research and then there is outright stupidity

    Wouldn't "outright stupidity" be tying scientists hands so they were unable to study things like extremely contagious bird flu well before it ever reaches the U.S. as an epidemic?

    You seriously need to read up on the conditions under which this is allowed, and why they are allowing it.

    Under your doctrine the U.S. would eventually have an unstoppable epidemic of some kind; under the rule change we may have a chance to stop it.

    I think I saw a tweet once to the effect of "If Trump cured cancer, Trump Haters would back cancer". Apparently that was a prescient thought, as you seem to be on the side of sticking our heads in the sand and waiting for the virus to come for us.

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    1. Re:Wow, someone needs a reality check by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Studying the existing bird flue != creating a more dangerous version.

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    2. Re:Wow, someone needs a reality check by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      Why does the left spend traffic so heavily in sexualized imagery? It even gets to seem like homophobic imagery if you think about it much.

    3. Re:Wow, someone needs a reality check by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Tackle away, dude. That is, unless you were trying to be ironic in your post.

  9. Does ANYONE read the summaries? by kenh · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I can't be the only one that noticed this "typo":

    Such work can now proceed, said Dr. Francis S. Collins, the head of the National Institutes of Health, but only if a scientific panel decides that the benefits justify the risks. Some scientists are eager to pursue these studies because they may show, for example, how a bird flu could mutate to more easily infect humans, or could yield clues to making a better vaccine. Such work can now proceed, said Dr. Francis S. Collins, the head of the National Institutes of Health, but only if a scientific panel decides that the benefits justify the risks. Some scientists are eager to pursue these studies because they may show, for example, how a bird flu could mutate to more easily infect humans, or could yield clues to making a better vaccine.

    Yes, the summary repeated two sentences - how did the editors not catch this before publication? Furthermore, remember how all the smart kids - under the previous administration - "restored science in it's rightful place"? It was those kids, three years ago, that chose to ban scientific research, no matter the benefit! Now the current administration actually lifts the ban and restores scientific research that has a demonstrable benefit, and because their candidate didn't with the last election they have taken a 180 and now oppose scientific research.

    I wonder if they changes their position on Stem Cell Research as well?

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    1. Re:Does ANYONE read the summaries? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      Just because the Nazi's discovered some things of benefit to man kind does not mean doing experiments on live humans was a good plan.

      I just finished a book on Unit 731 which was the Japanese unit doing experiments (lots of vivisection of prisoners without anasthesia, among other things) using humans during the 1930s-1945,

      It's time to throw away the meme of 'the Germans doing experiments on live humans' as the default. Because almost nobody in Unit 731 ever was punshed for any of the activities they performed. The US Military swooped in immediately after the defeat of the Japanese to contain these folks and get their data and findings. The Japanese medical people who conducted the experiments, mainly on Chinese civillians, but even in some cases on Russian, French, and American POWs, went on to become prominent members of the Japanese medical establishment.

      There is even some evidence that the US redirected these monsters and continued the research under the auspices of the US Military in Korea. Yes, biological warfare by the US Military against Koreans after the Japanese were defeated.

      The German scientists who conducted research oh human subjects were punished, but they shouldn't be the textbook examples. They did far less of it, for a shorter period of time than the Japanese, and the Japanese scientists and physicians got away with it and lived long prosperous lives afterwards.

      Everybody should read up on the history of Unit 731, because it mysteriously was not included in our educational curriculum.

  10. Re:It's completely safe, just like nuclear power by Lobachevsky · · Score: 2

    They just want more people to binge watch The Last Ship.

  11. Re:Are we luddites? Why do we ban scientific resea by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Why do I think that you'd fight tooth and nail against stem cell research, I wonder...

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  12. Re: Are we luddites? Why do we ban scientific rese by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Weaponization of chlorine gas.

    And the rest of his great inventions during those years, and after.

    Bosch is one a bit more sympathetic character, he did found and head IG Farben, but at least got up and quit when he saw what the Nazis are going to do with his inventions when he noticed that he can't stop them, at least he didn't want to be part of it.

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  13. "High Security Lab" is hope, not a reality by gweihir · · Score: 2

    So far every "High Security" lab that worked for some time had germs escape and infect people and that includes nasties like Marburg. These labs cannot be made as secure as they would need to be for this research. Lets just hope the fools at work on this do not create a bug that kills but has a long incubation time. However, them being fools, my hopes are slim.

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  14. Re:location location location by Headw1nd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well, last time we were doing bioweapons research and testing we did it fifteen miles from the Capitol, so I'm sure this will likewise performed somewhere safe.

  15. Re:I'm not saying it's bad, but it looks bad. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

    It is called 'wealth transfer' when people and organizations are allowed to keep their money rather than it being taxed away.

    It's a weird mindset that mostly Liberals and 'Progressives' engage with.