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Elon Musk Shows Off Near-Complete Falcon Heavy Rocket (newatlas.com)

Eloking quotes a report from New Atlas: SpaceX's Falcon Heavy rocket has been a long time coming. The successor to its Falcon 9 and the vehicle hoped to carry humans to Mars, this booster will be one of the most powerful ever. And we've just gotten our best look at it yet, with CEO Elon Musk tweeting out photos of an almost complete Falcon 9 Heavy in the hangar ahead of a planned maiden launch next month. The Falcon Heavy is essentially three Falcon 9 first stages rolled into one, with a second stage sat atop the middle one. The nine engine cores in each first stage work together to provide thrust equal to eighteen 747 aircraft, making it the most powerful rocket currently in operation and the most powerful since the Saturn V rocket last lifted off in 1973. In a series of tweets, Musk revealed that when the Falcon Heavy does lift off for the first time, it will do so from the same pad used by the Saturn V rocket at NASA's Kennedy Space Center. Musk has said recently that the Falcon Heavy will carry his own cherry-red Tesla Roadster as its first payload, but as an earlier tweet professing his love for floors has shown, it's not always easy to tell how serious he is about such matters.

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  1. Lucky.... by beheaderaswp · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you are a live now, have been born from 1960 onwards, you are privileged. As am I.

    We've seen the computer revolution, Internet revolution, and now a space revolution.

    Jobs will be diminished, Musk will be remembered.

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    1. Re:Lucky.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You take that back right now.

      Elon would make a terrible politician, because he promises big and then ... actually delivers.

    2. Re:Lucky.... by SharpFang · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think it was cancer that most diminished Jobs.

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    3. Re:Lucky.... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Jobs are diminishing, all right. And people get paid under $15/hr to work in the Tesla plant, assembling their $40k+ cars.

      For 80% of world's population that is a lot of $/hr.

      For people who live near the Tesla plant, it's barely enough money to be able to afford to live in your car. Which, at that level of pay, will not be a Tesla.

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    4. Re:Lucky.... by Kjella · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We've seen the computer revolution, Internet revolution, and now a space revolution.

      Because of a rocket that almost does what a bigger rocket did ~50 years ago? Replacing crew and cargo supplies to the ISS? Cheaper satellite launches? Sorry, but the world remembers the first guy who climbed Mount Everest not the first guy who climbed it on a budget. To be a revolution you'd have to be able to one-up the guy who says "Well, our generation put a man on the Moon" and to be honest I think we're well short of that. Maybe in another ten years with the BFR and a plan for Mars that isn't just on the drawing board we can say it's a space revolution. Maybe we can point back to the first rocket that landed and say that's the spark, but honestly I feel we're in the slump before the space revival.

      Twelve people have walked on the moon, six are dead and the remainder are between 82 and 87 years old. Even with everything Musk is doing it's quite likely we'll see the last of them die before we see anyone new set foot on a stellar object other than Earth. Right now the US doesn't even have a man-rated vehicle of their own. I mean it's easy to get excited about Musk because to be honest there hasn't been much to get excited about for decades but in the grand scheme of things, this is not a rocket that will make history. Maybe the next one will, the one that's still on the drawing board but then it is quite premature to say that the revolution is here and now. Nobody has left Earth orbit yet...

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    5. Re:Lucky.... by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

      in the grand scheme of things, this is not a rocket that will make history.

      It's making history because it's reusable and cheap. Going to the moon is impressive, but not really useful.

    6. Re:Lucky.... by Megane · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We remember Henry Ford more than we remember Karl Benz. This is a rocket that almost does what another one did a few times 50 years ago in a skunk works project with strong financial backing from a large government, a level of financial backing that only lasted a decade or so. SpaceX also is starting to account for a major fraction of all space launches as of 2017.

      Oh yeah, and there's that minor detail about getting an orbital rocket's first stage to land on its tail like some 1950s space opera flick, then nailing all the next 20 attempts in a row after the first success. They didn't do that 50 years ago. So F9 certainly has made history. But if you're saying FH won't be historic, I won't disagree with that, it seems destined to become a footnote between F9 and BFR.

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    7. Re:Lucky.... by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

      Because of a rocket that almost does what a bigger rocket did ~50 years ago?

      Well, other than the whole "reusable" thing, of course. And an order or magnitude cheaper.

      But, other than that, just like a Saturn V, only smaller....\

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    8. Re:Lucky.... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

      So unless someone just up and goes to Mars tomorrow or it doesn't count?

      Apollo 13 wasn't NASA's first launch, or even it's 20th successful launch.

      This is going to be an iterative process, just like going to the Moon was. You can't just go and stab Old Glory in the dirt; you first have to learn how to do it, each step at a time. Learn to go to orbit, learn to rendezvous, learn to maneuver, learn to dock, learn to navigate by star position, develop hardware, etc. Only then can you put it all together to do the extraordinary.

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  2. Re:Elon Musk will fail on this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    If it were a public company, you'd be right. Which is why it's not.

  3. Re:So much thrust by taiwanjohn · · Score: 4, Funny

    So basically it's like a Beowulf cluster of Falcon 9s.

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  4. Re: Is this the one that is sending a roadseter in by dvbrizzi · · Score: 2
  5. Re: Is this the one that is sending a roadseter i by dvbrizzi · · Score: 3, Informative

    Looks like it can take some serious payload... https://imgur.com/a/dtJIf

  6. Re:How is having more power related to going to Ma by ColaMan · · Score: 2

    Going to Mars means taking lots of equipment with you. All that stuff doesn't magically appear in low Earth orbit.

    A big rocket to launch stuff to LEO means that you can sling a larger amount of payload (+fuel + transfer vehicle) to Mars in one go. Otherwise you need more launches, and have to fiddle about with the costs of multiple Mars transfer vehicles and etc. It's cheaper to go bigger, basically.

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  7. Re: how about the water problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    He plans to use his Amazon prime membership to get water shipped for free.

  8. Re:How is having more power related to going to Ma by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 2

    Bear in mind that the bigger/more powerful, the more problematic it is likely to become. Blindly scaling up things is business talk, not physics/engineering one. In imaginary land, the problems remain constant, and the bigger is usually the better; in the real world, the problems increase exponentially and what works for 5 rarely works for 50. In any case and as said, this is a completely secondary concern at this point anyway. They shouldn't worry about how to send "lots of equipment", but about what that equipment is supposed to be and all the associated problems (exposure to radiation, long periods between resupplies, extremely problematic conditions, etc.).

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  9. Re: how about the water problem? by SharpFang · · Score: 2

    What a move! Not only get the water problem solved, but also force a competitor in the space race to handle the heavy expenses of delivery!

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  10. Re:How is having more power related to going to Ma by phayes · · Score: 2

    Bigger also makes making launchers reusable much easier. Even with FH, the weight penalties for making the second falcon stage reusable were determined to be difficult to overcome.

    Which is why Space-X has decided to develop and migrate all their launches from F9 to BFR much as they abandoned F1 once it had served it's purpose. BFR will be much larger than F9 but also 100% reusable.

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  11. Vertical (sic) Integration? by ytene · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If we look at the various different market sectors that Elon Musk has developed businesses for, then with the possible exception of Tesla, all of them, potentially even The Boring Company and Hyperlook [granted he isn't directly investing in this now] would seem to have the potential to be integrated at some future time.

    For example, if mankind were to use "Boring Company" technology to cut an access tunnel up to a point near the 5,980-metre peak of the mountain, then use Hyperloop technology to provide a platform on which a rocket could be placed, put a stack of Solar City panels in the vicinity [to power the super-conducting magnets used by the maglev technology and perhaps also to synethsise the Methylox fuel, then essentially he has most of the components needed for a launch system that grabs another order of magnitude of cost savings/efficiency gains - because potentially the vehicle itself could do away with a potentially significant amount of fuel.

    I took a quick look at the most recent launch, CRS-13, in which at 6km of altitude, the vehicle had achieved a speed of 938km/h, a little shy of MaxQ. I would have to concede that we are still a long way short, engineering-wise, of being able to achieve that even with a maglev track in an evacuated hyperloop tunnel. But Musk is all about continual, iterative improvement.

    I would be the first to concede that all I've done here is borrow ideas postulated by science fiction writers for many years now: but if you go back to the 1950s and 1960s and look at the writing of Heinlein-era sci-fi writers, rockets that landed on their tails and took off again were a staple fare. It took real life 60-70 years to catch up, but SpaceX did it. With our rate of development increasing, what I outline here could be as little as 20-30 years away.

    Which I guess leads to a question - which would be the most cost-effective solution: Falcon Heavy or a ballistic launcher? FH has massively lower development costs, but the operating expenses will be higher. A launcher will cost several metric f@ktons of money to develop, but, once done, should be significantly cheaper to operate.
    br? Which would you go for?

    1. Re:Vertical (sic) Integration? by hackertourist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Gun launch (incl rail guns, hyperloop etc.) is a dead end. Getting to orbit is about speed - and you can only gain a (relatively) small amount of speed using a gun, because you're limited by air resistance in the lower atmosphere.
      Going to a vacuum tunnel removes the speed problem, and introduces a new one: you have to exit the tunnel at some point. Even if you can create a vacuum seal that the rocket can pass through, it'll slam into the atmosphere at 5 km altitude - which is still significant. Building the tunnel exit at higher altitude isn't possible either (building cost is prohibitive).
      Going by your own numbers, you could save 300 m/s of delta-V out of about 9000 m/s. 3% savings would make the rocket a few meters shorter, and you might be able to remove 1 engine, but the rocket doesn't become significantly cheaper.

    2. Re:Vertical (sic) Integration? by jfdavis668 · · Score: 2

      Unless you can change the direction of the ballistic launcher, it won't be of much use. Rockets launch to various orbital directions. It requires a lot of delta-v to change orbital direction once in orbit.

  12. Re: So much thrust by jfdavis668 · · Score: 2

    Yes, but does in run Linux?

  13. Not the Mars Rocket by duckintheface · · Score: 4, Informative

    The intro in not correct in calling the Falcon Heavy the rocket that will take humans to Mars. This is just a heavy payload version of Falcon which still uses the Merlin engine. The BFR (Big Fucking Rocket) will have 31 Raptor engines (more powerful) and a completely redesigned booster and second stage. It's the BFR that will go to Mars. https://www.nasaspaceflight.co...

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  14. Re:how about the water problem? by gatkinso · · Score: 2

    It is all frozen underground, waiting to be melted by an alien 3 fingered hand.

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  15. Re:Elon Musk will fail on this by gatkinso · · Score: 3, Informative

    Funding is coming from successful launches.

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  16. Re:They are deluded by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

    . And if he can't make a profit now that he controls the market, he's gonna get crushed when the other automakers seriously get into the market.

    Considering that the greatest problem for an electric car is the battery, and considering that Tesla is currently making the greatest investments into making batteries efficiently, I'm wondering when those "other carmakers" are going to "seriously" get into the market - i.e., when they start to build similar battery-making facilities. So far they haven't.

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  17. Roadster Payload by lazarus · · Score: 2

    Look like the Tesla Roadster payload is almost ready for launch as well. Musk has said he is just hoping this thing gets high enough not to do pad damage when it explodes, but I'm hoping he is able to give his Roadster a Mars flyby.

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  18. The old joke is new again. by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 3, Funny

    As the story goes, German-born rocket guru Werner Von Braun asked his ( mostly-german) rocket engineers whether the Saturn 5 was going to meet it's 99.999% reliability goal, and they said down the line "Nein! Nein! Nein! Nein! Nein!

    Actually, it did really well, with 13 successful or at least survivable launches.

    Now with Elon's 9 engines, again it's time to ask, and even more so, the likely answer is "Nein! Nein! Nein! Nein! Nein!

  19. Re:So much thrust by guruevi · · Score: 2

    The energy content of wood is ~16 MJ/kg and paper is fairly close to that. There are about 16 million books in the LoC and 120 million other 'things'. The average weight of a book is ~1.6kg and let's assume the other "things" amount to ~50% of the volume of books in form of combustible materials (wood, paper etc).

    So you have 16 * 1.6 = 25.6M kg and another 12.8M kg of other materials. That's approximately 614 Terajoules or enough energy to lift ~5 Falcon Heavy's into LEO?

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