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Driverless Cars Could Make Transportation Free for Everyone -- With a Catch (theatlantic.com)

Want a gratis ride? You'll just have to stop at some stores along the way. The Atlantic explores a possible future with autonomous cars: In a world full of autonomous autos, transportation will become free. Not just hands-free, or driver-free, or go-wherever-you-want free. But free as in beer: complimentary, gratis. Summon a car and travel for nothing -- that is, so long as you are willing to make a stop or two en route at sponsoring locations. Picture a not-too-distant future where a trip across town is available to anyone who will spend 15 minutes in McDonald's on the way. Not a fast-food fan? Then for you it's Starbucks, a bookstore, the game parlor. Rides with a child stop at the Disney store, while teenage girls are routed via next decade's version of Zara and H&M. Unlike today's UberPool, with its roundabout routes and multiple passenger pickups, "UberFree" features tailor-made routes and thoughtfully targeted stops. Realtors could pay to have the cars drive slowly past featured properties for sale, past the nice new elementary school in the slightly more affluent neighborhood.

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  1. Yeah that would be awful by redmid17 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd rather pay to ride public transit or drive my own car instead of living in that dystopian hell. If you think that's a realistic view of the future, I weep for your parents -- they clearly failed you -- and humanity in general.

    1. Re:Yeah that would be awful by farble1670 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you think that's a realistic view of the future, I weep for your parents

      Thinking it's realistic and thinking it's awesome are different. I can think it's realistic and still think it's awful.

      Anyway, people have shown time and again that they are willing to trade privacy, subjection to advertising for a free product or service. Seems pretty realistic to me.

    2. Re:Yeah that would be awful by decipher_saint · · Score: 2

      Also the bus gets cleaned at least once a day, if your AIUber arrives with only puke in it you're lucky.

      I love Utopian shit, what a future we could have if filthy humans weren't filthy humans.

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    3. Re: Yeah that would be awful by AvitarX · · Score: 2

      Agreed, I'd rather drive myself then wait an extra 15 minutes somewhere random.

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    4. Re: Yeah that would be awful by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The whole idea is stupid. I could hack around that in about 30 seconds of trying.

      You want to go to BigBoxCo

      Option 1: "Take me to BigBoxCo", but it makes one stop at McDonalds and waits 15 minutes there.

      Option 2 : "Take me to McDonalds". And when you get there, "Take me to BigBoxCo" (no wait)

      Option 3: "Take me to BigBoxCo", stops at McDonalds, you and your friend get out and get into the next car "Take me to BigBoxCo", meanwhile useless car is useless for 15 minutes, waiting for you to come back.

      The real way to do it is to put a big screen TV in it, and play ads for the duration of the trip. You could even do games (for a fee) while en route. Play against the car next to you.

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    5. Re:Yeah that would be awful by hackwrench · · Score: 2

      A Utopia and a dystopia are the same thing.

    6. Re:Yeah that would be awful by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 2

      The folks you want to drag into a store can afford to not need an enforced-shopping-trip-subsidized ride

      I'd have said the same thing about e-mail, but even pretty rich people (and small-to-mid sized companies, even with lots of cash) use ad supported email. In the new world, driverless cars get more and more expensive as they need to meet standard 103.1.4 (not backwards compatible) for road use, and they are only available in 10k car lots. I suppose you may be able to buy one, but it'll be prohibitive even for middle class people, and stupidly expensive for even upper-middle class people.

      As for poor people... skimming a few bucks each from many poor people is a time honored business plan.

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  2. sounds delightful! by rogoshen1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How is this any different than being herded like fucking cattle?

    It seems like any time there's a trade between personal responsibility and autonomy for safety/efficiency -- It's never for the benefit of the everyday person. Regardless of how it's spun.

    They'll have to pry my cold, lifeless hands off of my steering wheel.

    1. Re:sounds delightful! by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      How is this any different than being herded like fucking cattle?

      They'll have to pry my cold, lifeless hands off of my steering wheel.

      "Manual driving" will acquire hipster nostalgia, like those vinyl records they're always on about. Georgia and Tennessee will set up State Driving Parks, where after your Uber drops you off at the visitor center you will be able to rent classic Corvettes and drive yourself around a loop of imitation small villages with classic Main Streets, drag strips, drive-in theaters, Sonic Drive-Thrus, and some "inspiration Points" in view locations.

  3. Unapproved Thought Detected by jabberw0k · · Score: 2

    Doors lock, windows opacify, and a bit of knockout gas later, welcome to Secret Police Headquarters where we will cleanse you of those unapproved thoughts, for you own good of course, Comrade.

  4. Decades ago ... by PPH · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... cab drivers would direct customers to cabarets (strip clubs) from which they received kickbacks. Once inside, it was not unknown to have a couple of large bouncers meet you at the door on your way out if you hadn't spent enough on lap dances or the overpriced drinks in the establishment.

    Explain to me how this new system is different.

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  5. Re:Breaking the System... by taustin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If they manage to accurately mine my data, they'll refuse to take me anywhere, knowing that the advertising will cause me to actively avoid their brand.

    Advertising is worthwhile only when it generates more in profits than it costs. Good luck on that.

  6. Nagahapen by duckintheface · · Score: 2

    If this were feasible, those same businesses would already be operating public transit (buses with drivers) with the same premise. So what's missing? Ah, it's income qualification be make sure the passengers have enough disposable income to make purchases likely. Now THAT I can believe.

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    1. Re:Nagahapen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      This already happens. If you've travelled in Asia, there are shopping tours that take you to the attractions but drop you off for shopping first. These have a nominal cost and get most of their money from merchants. On a smaller scale, tuk tuk drivers in Bangkok get a commission for dropping shoppers at businesses. If you're not in a rush, you can negotiate free rides if you don't mind shopping.

    2. Re:Nagahapen by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      If you've travelled in the US, you will encounter casino buses. These offer the identical free service to city people willing to spend a comped weekend at their casino/hotel. You have to pinky swear to stay in their casino, but this is not closely monitored.

    3. Re:Nagahapen by LetterRip · · Score: 2

      If this were feasible, those same businesses would already be operating public transit (buses with drivers) with the same premise. So what's missing? Ah, it's income qualification be make sure the passengers have enough disposable income to make purchases likely. Now THAT I can believe.

      We already have something similar called 'validated parking'. Shop and your parking is free.

  7. That was touring China in 2000. by Artagel · · Score: 3, Informative

    I remember being a tourist in China. The good old CITS had the van/bus stopping to visit various shopping locations between historical or cultural stops. This would fit right into their model.

  8. Let's do the math by CrankyOldEngineer · · Score: 2

    The cost of a taxi probably cannot go below $1/mile (US). The average distance of a ride varies by city, but let's say 5 miles. So $5 is the cost that must be covered. How much would a customer have to spend at the mall to pay for that taxi ride? The profit margin at retail stores varies from 1.3% (pharmacy)-3.5% (high end department store). So the average customer would have to spend at least $200 per trip to make this business model pay. As others have pointed out, the wealthier customers will not use this service, so $200 seems wildly optimistic.

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