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WeChat To Become China's Official Electronic ID System (scmp.com)

The popular mobile application WeChat is poised to become China's official electronic personal identification system. "The government of Guangzhou, capital of the southern coastal province of Guangdong, started on Monday a pilot program that creates a virtual ID card, which serves the same purpose as the traditional state-issued ID cards, through the WeChat accounts of registered users in the city's Nansha district," reports South China Morning Post. From the report: It said that trial will soon cover the entire province and further expand across the country from January next year. The program's success would mark one of the most significant milestones for WeChat after it was initially rolled out by Tencent as a mobile messaging service in 2011, and then evolved into the country's largest social network, as well as a popular online platform for payments and money transfers. Shenzhen-based Tencent has estimated that WeChat, marketed as Weixin on the mainland, recorded 980 million monthly active users in the quarter ended September 30. The WeChat ID program was co-developed by the research institute of the Ministry of Public Security and Tencent's WeChat team, and supported by various banks and several other government departments. The project is expected to help deter online identity theft, as facial recognition technology is used to verify applicants before their virtual ID cards get authorized. Those verified will be able to use their WeChat ID to register in hotels and apply for government services without the need of bringing their physical ID cards.

54 comments

  1. Foreigners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will foreigners with wechat be able to use this too? Many services currently require a Chinese ID, and can't use foreigner's passport numbers instead...

    1. Re:Foreigners by Mr0bvious · · Score: 1

      I thought that was intentional.

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    2. Re:Foreigners by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

      I actually went through the Guangzhou airport a couple times in the last month or so, and you could already use WeChat to get on the free WiFi. I don't use WeChat so I used the little kiosk thing where it scans your passport and spits out a user / password, and then immediately connected to a VPN.

      I guess they are making it more official now.

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  2. This ties into reputation scoring by mrwireless · · Score: 4, Interesting

    An perhaps useful bit of context is that in bij 2020 the Chinese government want to implement the Social Credit system, which will give every citizen a single score that represents how well behaved they are, and which will influence the ability to get a job with the government, get a cheap loan, etc. Both Tencent and Alibaba group have been running large scale reputation scoring pilots. Alibaba's version is called "sesame credit" and is based more on your purchase data, while Tencent's version is based more on what you say and share online. Over 100.000 Chinese have been boasting about their scores online. This would be a logical continuation of that development, and is another signal that the Chinese government is using their mega companies as a testing ground for things that will eventually become state operated. I do doubt that this will be anything more than a pilot, although a large scale one. In the end the Chinese government will want to run this system themselves, as they do with the social credit system. Sources: - Planning document for the social credit system: https://chinacopyrightandmedia... - BBC on the Sesame Credit pilot: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-...

    1. Re:This ties into reputation scoring by sheramil · · Score: 2

      ... while Tencent's version is based more on what you say and share online.

      1: enable Markoff-chain-based script to post nice things about the government at random intervals of between thirty seconds and one hour

      2: become Premier

      "If you want a picture of the future, imagine a bot stamping on the network - for ever."

    2. Re:This ties into reputation scoring by sad_ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Black Mirror's Nose Dive is real!

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    3. Re:This ties into reputation scoring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... large-scale reputation scoring pilots ...

      Stuff like purchases is original source data, created from real-world activities. Speech can be anything and while Facebook proves there are a million idiots who shove their stupidity and prejudices in everyone's face: Spin doctors are not new. The Chinese will just buy approved comments for their account from someone, or write a bot, themselves. This is like the scoring system on eBay' with everybody using superlatives, it's not a accurate assessment. Or like a product page with censored comments: The absence of negative comments provides an unrealistic view of the real world. (The real world may indicate many people are so stupid, they are unable to use this product.)

    4. Re:This ties into reputation scoring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Over 100.000 Chinese have been boasting about their scores online.

      Why are you giving 3 decimal points of precision there? Why not just say 100?

    5. Re:This ties into reputation scoring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      as if black mirror came up with the idea... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System
       
        BM got it from China when they lost their minds back in 2014.

  3. reputation scoring by mrwireless · · Score: 2

    An perhaps useful bit of context is that in bij 2020 the Chinese government want to implement the Social Credit system, which will give every citizen a single score that represents how well behaved they are, and which will influence the ability to get a job with the government, get a cheap loan, etc. Both Tencent and Alibaba group have been running large scale reputation scoring pilots. Alibaba's version is called "sesame credit" and is based more on your purchase data, while Tencent's version is based more on what you say and share online.

    This would be a logical continuation of that development, and is another signal that the Chinese government is using their mega companies as a testing ground for things that will eventually become state operated.

    I do doubt that this will be anything more than a pilot, although a large scale one. In the end the Chinese government will want to run this system themselves, as they do with the credit system.

    Sources:
    - Planning document for the social credit system: https://chinacopyrightandmedia...
    - BBC on the Sesame Credit pilot: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-...

    1. Re:reputation scoring by sheramil · · Score: 1

      You posted this twice... so you get two banana stickers!

    2. Re:reputation scoring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently this is the formatted version.

  4. Seems like China didn't see "The Circle" by mozzis · · Score: 1

    ...or maybe they did!

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    1. Re: Seems like China didn't see "The Circle" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was thinking exactly the same (saw it just 2 days ago)
      Unfortunately, there wonâ(TM)t be an Emma... (and if there is, theyâ(TM)ll just disappear her)

    2. Re:Seems like China didn't see "The Circle" by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1
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  5. so? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is this different than Facebook? Facebook has cornered the market, requires a real name, and divulges your info to the govt. The difference being what, evil commies?

    1. Re:so? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      The government doesn't force you to use Facebook and does not use Facebook as the official government ID.

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    2. Re:so? by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      But they will.

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  6. Let's do this with Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think this is a great idea. We should do this with Facebook.

  7. China, taking fascism to a new level! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    These public-private partnerships sure have taken China to levels that Mussolini only talked about.

    Truly China is one of the biggest success stories of migrating from communism to oligarchy controlled free market fascism.

    China, thank you for paving the way to America's Aristocracy's end goal! We shall follow your neon lit example all the way to hell, on tiles of financially a nd social manipulative intention all the way down!

    1. Re:China, taking fascism to a new level! by comodoro · · Score: 2

      This is more serious than just fascism. China is already fascist, if you mean state violence and corporativism. This is another step to 1984.

    2. Re:China, taking fascism to a new level! by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Fascism doesn't require violence, though I can't think of any examples of governments that don't rely on it. Even so, that means that violence isn't a distinguishing characteristic of fascism. Fascism is mainly about the integration of privately owned corporation power with government power in such a way that they reinforce each other. Mussolini designed it to "Make Italy great again!", and he was better at it than many imitators...though not as good as the US. China looks to be doing this even more effectively.

      Note that in principle fascism is orthogonal to liberty. It never seems to work out that way in practice, however. Probably because people have a need to control things, so whoever is put in charge will find a way to expand their power. I suppose that if you could guarantee that the guys in charge would be ever benevolent that fascism would be a nearly ideal form of government, but this is never the case. Perhaps an AI will prove that it can work well sometime in the next few decades. Just as likely though we'll all end up dead.

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  8. And 400 Vulcans could be felt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    not giving a damn!

  9. Black MIrror was *not* supposed to be a guidebook by Lisandro · · Score: 2

    How soon before social rankings start impacting their everyday lives? Not much at this rate.

  10. The Wall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mr. Orange wants to build a wall to keep foreigners out.

    China already has The Great Wall, and they are building a new wall, The Virtual Wall, to keep the foreigners away from the locals.

  11. 1984 with the breaks removed. by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    Quite scary now that it's getting real. ... Considering that I used to enjoy playing Shadowrun and reading Gibson.

    It's not quite the same these days.

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  12. Did anyone watch that movie? by Tyrannosaur · · Score: 1

    "The Circle" with Emma watson? Basically a dystopia if Facebook and apple and Google were all one company and owned the world. They propose something like this in the movie. Never thought that would happen in real life. Guess I wasn't thinking about china.

    1. Re:Did anyone watch that movie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The book was much more detailed, felt both more plausible and terrifying.

    2. Re:Did anyone watch that movie? by Tyrannosaur · · Score: 1

      I'll have to find and read the book, thanks for the recommendation!

    3. Re:Did anyone watch that movie? by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      Is it any good? The movie was so terrible i honestly lost all previous interest.

  13. Do not be swayed by Sino trickery. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Speaking as proud American through and through I say there is much to be learned from wise and benevolent Russia in this regard.

    President Putin holds America and great President Trump in high esteem and regard and conveys helpful greetings and informations on how to deal with reactionary petty bourgeois Sino rabble to make benefit for both great nations.

    As guaranteed American 100% patriot citizen proudly from Boston be born, I can loudly say that arm in arm with President Putin we fellow Yankees can resolutely stride forward with great determination and robust zeal to smash the Sino threat !!

    1. Re: Do not be swayed by Sino trickery. by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      Was this generated by a Markov chain?

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  14. Re:Black MIrror was *not* supposed to be a guidebo by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

    I'm thinking more The Orville with badges and the coffee shop not serving anyone with over 500,000 down votes.

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  15. Re:China probably copied another US firm... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    China copies you on shit made for ARPANET that you sure as fuck did not invent?

    More like world ass, it sounds like.

  16. Completion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We must complete the circle!

  17. Re:Black MIrror was *not* supposed to be a guidebo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How soon before social rankings start impacting their everyday lives? Not much at this rate.

    That would be Negative X Thousand years. Where X is a number no less than 5000, but may be over 250,000

    Solve for X.

  18. And yet retard APK can't offer proof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Given how many times APK has made the statement that China copied him, he never seems to offer proof that they actually did copy his work.
    Instead China probably figured out how to use hosts files like everyone else did and ran with it.
    I use to think like APK, but to be fair I was 12 at the time and that was a few decades ago.
    I also doubt that the Chinese have it set up as a manual pull service that aggregates other people's work but instead as a centrally maintained list that is pushed.
    Too bad that APK just likes to make himself look like a retard and can't wait to tell everyone about his retarded hosts file engine.
    I can't wait to hear about how he created a disk defragmenting utility too because that isn't something that someone who has some basic knowledge of a file system can't do.
    Maybe the slogan for all of APK's work should be "Built by a retard for retards" to comply with truth in advertising laws.

  19. creimer has a gnarled tootsie roll for a dick. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Me Chinese. Me play joke. Me go peepee in your Coke.

  20. Re: ching chong nip honk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    all post saem

  21. Santa Claus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who was naughty or nice?
    We c u when u r sleeping , we c u when u r awake ...
    An expansion of the credit score. An intriguing advance of Gov control of the masses. Gattica like DNA may soon follow.

    Crazy how humans have evolved to this level of social controls.

    The WeChat iD for airports and other activities more of a convenience since not yet compulsory.

  22. Didn't we just see this in The Circle? by Supp0rtLinux · · Score: 1

    I just watched The Circie on Amazon over the Christmas weekend... this is basically what was proposed in the movie but in terms of voting...

  23. China probably copied another US firm... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & PROOF (as China copies me on HOSTS files) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/26/boffins_supercharge_the_hosts_file_to_save_users_plagued_by_dns_outages/

    * Yes, folks - It's NOT EASY being "world-class" (lol, like ME!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Accept NO substitute for APK Hosts File Engine 10++ 32/64-bit https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=%22APK+Hosts+File+Engine%22+and+%22start64%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1/ for more speed, security, reliability & anonymity online for FAR LESS resource use & complexity vs. "so-called security or speed 'solutions'" via operating in kernelmode speed (vs. slower usermode) & only 1 part you already NATIVELY have vs. illogically "Bolting on 'MoAr'"... apk

  24. Learn to read chump... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Learn to read unidentifiable anonymous "ne'er-do-well" trolling dolt: I provide concrete, undeniable & verifiable proof http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/26/boffins_supercharge_the_hosts_file_to_save_users_plagued_by_dns_outages/ from a reputable source!

    To wit (for your obviously dull brain, lol): My hosts program APK Hosts File Engine 10++ 32/64-bit https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=%22APK+Hosts+File+Engine%22+and+%22start64%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1/ does that in part for favorite sites you spend most time @ online both speeding up their resolution + protecting you vs. DNS down, redirect poisoned & more (dns is loaded w/ security issues https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9007355&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&pid=51969075/ that I help you in overcoming.

    * You've done better? Hell no, lol!

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a world-class CHUMP I just dusted w/ ease... apk

  25. You've done better?... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Learn to read unidentifiable anonymous "ne'er-do-well" troll: I show concrete, undeniable & verifiable proof http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/26/boffins_supercharge_the_hosts_file_to_save_users_plagued_by_dns_outages/ from a reputable source!

    To wit (for your obviously dull brain, lol): My hosts program APK Hosts File Engine 10++ 32/64-bit https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=%22APK+Hosts+File+Engine%22+and+%22start64%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1/ that my work overcomes & yes, China copied my methods LONG AFTER I built my program (I don't blame them - it works) - period.

    HOWEVER: "Imitation IS the SINCEREST FORM of FLATTERY!"

    * See subject & answer this: You've done better? Hell no, lol!

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a world-class unidentifiable anonymous "ne'er-do-well" do-nothing mere talk CHUMP I just dusted w/ ease... apk

  26. Sorry retard that isn't proof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry retard that isn't proof the Chinese copied your work.
    Nowhere do they mention your work.
    Even the white paper doesn't mention your work.
    Also what the Chinese are doing isn't aggregating other people's lists.
    However your continued posting always does seem to provide further evidence that proves you are a retard.
    Like always, you talk out of your ass and then when called on it you double down and go full retard.
    I am now board with pointing out how retarded you are so I will stop and let you continue to do so on your own.

  27. The reality over there by nhtshot · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The reality over there is that WeChat already was. This is just making it official.

    Wechat has required identification tied to a Chinese mobile phone number for some time now. They also started (two years ago I believe) collecting IDs to purchase a sim card. It might not have publicly stated such, but Wechat was already bound to a users ID card and sim card.

    When they cracked down on websites and started enforcing the censorship rules more strictly, every Chinese website I use moved to requiring registration validation with a Chinese phone number or Wechat account.

    Wifi registration via Wechat has been going for about as long.

    Wechat is also, now, the primary means of paying for basically everything. Groceries? Scan the QR at the register. Taxi? Book it with DIDI (Chinese Uber) or scan the QR code. Restuarant? QR code at the table. Scan it and you can place your order through the phone and pay right away.

    So: your identity, thoughts, opinions, pictures, personal relationships and money are all now wrapped up in a single app controlled by the government. I can't imagine there will be any abuses of this!

    1. Re:The reality over there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting to note is that you can use WeChat to solicit for adult services. If you're in New York, go to Flushing and turn on the "People Nearby" feature.

  28. Obligatory beast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to your phone records, it looks like you are not atheist enough and not patriotic enough. No buying or selling for you and no loans for you and it looks like it's time to go to the re-education center. Where is the tattoo on the back of your hand or forehead?

  29. 6 enumerated certainties vs. your bs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1.) They don't mention I did it 1st (me) & mine's >b?ONLY PROGRAM of its KIND that does -> 2.) For favs users provide the list (no aggregation) for speeding up & SECURING them making them more reliably connected where they spend most time online) 3.) My posts' common-sense & verifiable fact BLOW YOU AWAY "jealous jowie" do-nothing "ne'er-do-well" that you are WISHING YOU WERE ME (the "Lord of hosts so-to-speak) 4.) You must be Chinese: It's "BORED" - not 'board'!

    * You FAIL vs. me & you KNOW it (proving it - thanks).

    APK

    P.S.=> IMITATION = SINCEREST FORM of FLATTERY on a worldwide scale as other nations imitate only PART of what I do (& do far more for far less) APK Hosts File Engine 10++ 32/64-bit https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=%22APK+Hosts+File+Engine%22+and+%22start64%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1/ it'lll NEVER ever happen for a zero like you (lol) but does for me... apk

  30. Wired article... by antdude · · Score: 1

    https://www.wired.com/story/ag...

    Interesting and scary read.

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  31. Solving The Cost Issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When a modern, chipped ID card with a bio-signature costs as much or more than a low end smart phone, this is what happens.

  32. Re:Black MIrror was *not* supposed to be a guidebo by Agripa · · Score: 1

    I'm thinking more The Orville with badges and the coffee shop not serving anyone with over 500,000 down votes.

    I was thinking more World of Tanks where others can kill you once your badge turns blue.