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The Link Between Polygamy and War (economist.com)
Is there a link between polygamy and war? The Economist explores (might be paywalled): Men in South Sudan typically marry as often as their wealth -- often measured in cattle -- will allow. Perhaps 40 percent of marriages are polygamous. "In [our] culture, the more family you have, the more people respect you," says William, a young IT specialist in search of his second wife. Few South Sudanese see the connection between these matrimonial customs and the country's horrific civil war. If you ask them the reason for the violence, locals will blame tribalism, greedy politicians, weak institutions and perhaps the oil wealth which gives warlords something to fight over. All true, but not the whole story. Wherever it is widely practised, polygamy (specifically polygyny, the taking of multiple wives) destabilises society, largely because it is a form of inequality which creates an urgent distress in the hearts, and loins, of young men. If a rich man has a Lamborghini, that does not mean that a poor man has to walk, for the supply of cars is not fixed. By contrast, every time a rich man takes an extra wife, another poor man must remain single. If the richest and most powerful 10 percent of men have, say, four wives each, the bottom 30 percent of men cannot marry. Young men will take desperate measures to avoid this state. A non-paywalled, syndicated source for the article.
Polygamy isn't responsible for violence. The Mormons, weird as they are, are not violent. Polygamy isn't the issue. The problem is Islam trying to convert the Christians and indigenous religions at gunpoint.
The Mormons were violent when they practiced polygamy. Today it is not practiced by Mormons except for some fringe groups. One thing that is certain, young men without women are a problem regardless of religion.
Sensationalist trash like this perpetuates misunderstanding of polyamorous people.
How is it sensationalist, and how does it attack the polyamorous? It's not a mistake to believe that it will cause problems if there are no mates for many men. Denying them the opportunity to partner leaves them with a hole in their life. They're going to fill it with something. Polygamy is not inherently about love. It can be a loving relationship, but in a culture which promotes marriage for other reasons, that's unlikely. In a culture in which women have to marry a powerful man in order to be protected from other men, it's especially unlikely.
No culture that forces women to live in bags lest they be raped to death on the street can include any equitable relationships. There is always a power imbalance.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
In a polygamous society war can produce a surplus of women. It certainly produces widows and orphans, which in a society with no state social welfare programs and limited economic opportunity for women is a huge problem.
Polygamy is also a way to establish dynastic ties between potential rival groups.
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This article does not talk about modern Western polyamory. It talks specifically about patriarchal polygyny.
Either your reading comprehension is terrible, or you are butthurt polyamorist with a persecution complex.
I was unaware that defending yourself against an approaching army was considered being violent. And violence against Mormons started well before polygamy began.
Compared to the Atlantic slave trade, which was mostly men for work, the Islamic slave trade was mostly women for sex.
What I want to know is why they (and you!) are talking about the Arab slave trade like it's a thing of the past. Western women still occasionally escape from a harem. They are still kidnapping women internationally and pressing them into slavery. Where do you think all those missing girls and women go? You don't seriously think they're all winding up in shallow graves, do you? The same thing is happening to them as is happening to valuable cars. They are being stolen, and put on a boat. Granted, they're not all going to Araby, but over six percent of all slavery worldwide occurs in that region.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
America has a similar problem brewing with marriage age men who can't get wives, although here it's just the crappy economy rather than polygamy. They've loosely banded together under the banner of the "Alt-Right". Just a lot of angry men with no options since our manufacturing base is gone.
There's not a lot more dangerous in this world then a large group of men with no wives, no jobs and no future. All you need is a Strongman type to gather them into a fighting force and give them something to attack. Our current president tapped into them and it helped him win. Many of us are hoping he's too much of a buffoon to actual send them off on a killing spree. The rumblings over Iran & North Korea don't make us hopeful...
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Repeat after me : Correlation is not causation.
For all I know, they have polygamy, because they have war, so the women who would be otherwise unwed due to the lack of men (because they died) have a change to get married.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
For all I know, they have polygamy, because they have war,
Dude, it's not the 1800s. We have wikipedia. We have google. You can find out why they have polygamy. And guess what? They treat women like possessions all day, every day. They are legally inferior. Arguably, all women in their culture are slaves. Polygamy in their culture isn't a disease, it's a symptom of a disease.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Denying them the opportunity to partner leaves them with a hole in their life. They're going to fill it with something.
I wonder how the inability to get laid factors into someone's decision to strap on a bunch of explosives and take their chances on whether the 72 virgins story is bullshit or not.
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The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
And I was disturbed about ... how we looks way more "animal" than we would like [snip]
We ARE animals. You're just now coming to grips with that on this site of all things? Have you not read about our evolutionary roots which we know more about now than we ever did? Apes are our cousins. If you want a primer, here you go.
We'll make great pets
No one identified the real problem. Let's not dance around the issue because we're afraid to tell it like it is. The violence is caused by Islam.
This got labeled troll but it's very true that if you show me a majority Islam country I'll show you a shitty country. Yes a country can be crappy without Islam being a factor but when Islam is a factor it's all but guaranteed to be crappy.
Oh, you mean the "destabilization" that removed 98% of ISIS' territory out from under them (and dropped their fighters' numbers from a peak of 40k to less than 1k or so) starting when you-know-who took office and stopped micromanaging the whole affair from his desk?
Or maybe you meant the fact that Iraq is once again becoming stable after a certain previous president pulled out too early (on a massively flimsy excuse)?
Oh, maybe you meant the massive anti-Wahhabist royal purge/shakeup that recently occurred in Saudi Arabia after the rest of the royalty there realized that they're actually being watched and held accountable by the US, after decades of being ignored as the penultimate ideological source for all the jihadist garbage that's occurred for 50+ years now?
Perhaps you meant the impending removal of funding and support from Iran... you know, the folks who were busy finding Hezbollah and trying to make nukes in spite of promising on their bestest behavior not to?
Or could it be the fact that most of OPEC finally realized that they're no longer the petrol-soaked king-makers when it comes to geopolitcal affairs, and has to start playing nice with the rest of the planet?
The time to indulge this half-century-long aberrant behavior by various grudge groups in the ME is over, 'mano. By all appearances, they're realizing it fast and adjusting accordingly (c.f. Dubai)... so I doubt the old rules of analyzing the ME from left-wing eyes will apply for much longer.
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We're not talking about self righteous Mormons. Those are the average.
We're talking about _criminal_ Mormons. Those that _directly_ follow Joseph Smith's tradition of grifting the gullible. About 10% of Mormons, but 90% of Mormon bishops.
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