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Apple Apologizes For iPhone Slowdown Drama, Will Offer $29 Battery Replacements (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: Apple just published a letter to customers apologizing for the "misunderstanding" around older iPhones being slowed down, following its recent admission that it was, in fact, slowing down older phones in order to compensate for degrading batteries. "We know that some of you feel Apple has let you down," says the company. "We apologize." Apple says in its letter that batteries are "consumable components," and is offering anyone with an iPhone 6 or later a battery replacement for $29 starting in late January through December 2018 -- a discount of $50 from the usual replacement cost. Apple's also promising to add features to iOS that provide more information about the battery health in early 2018, so that users are aware of when their batteries are no longer capable of supporting maximum phone performance.

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  1. Start from the top. by Known+Nutter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Saying all of that in the beginning would have saved them a lot of grief. It's not like they solved a mystery today. So, why did they not simply disclose this? They could have buried it in a KB article and been done with it.

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    1. Re:Start from the top. by Crashmarik · · Score: 2

      And you can buy a full replacement battery kit for $25 from third parties.

      Apple isn't doing their customers any kind of favor with this.

    2. Re:Start from the top. by phalse+phace · · Score: 2

      If Apple damages your iPhone while they replace the battery, Apple will cover the damage.

      If you damage your iPhone while you attempt to replace the battery, you're SOL.

    3. Re:Start from the top. by inflex · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you're working the repair lines then you'll know if you tear apart a clone and compare to the genuine and you'll see there's notable differences. The protection/controller board attaching to the cell on those $4 batteries is a random hackjob at best. The cell quality too is different, cheap replacements have poor internal resistance compared to the genuine.

      The $4~$12 replacements are a crap shoot, sometimes you get a decent quality unit, other times not so much. The resellers of replacement batteries give you grading options, cheap = 'zeroed' cycle count, non-original board, then you can get a "pulled from existing phone" batteries and their markings rubbed out, and then you can also get "Genuine zero cycles, high quality" packs but even if you ask for those, usually someone up the supply chain at some point pulls a swifty and starts sending you dodgy packs.

      While Apple might pay $4 for theirs, the "3rd party" ones are probably $1 and it shows.

      Apple has had some dud events like the iPhone 5 puffer fiasco but overall their packs definitely are of higher quality/consistency than the 3rd party replacements.

      Couple of hundred batteries a year and it's averaging about 50% duds within 3 months.

    4. Re:Start from the top. by SharpFang · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Only because Apple made the procedure hard in the first place.

      Replacement batteries for other phones are often $5, and easy enough to replace that there's no chance to damage the phone.

      "These are not bullshit excuses, these are genuine problems!" is an old Apple bullshit mantra - these are "genuine problems" which Apple deliberately chose to create artificially in the first place.

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    5. Re:Start from the top. by SharpFang · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Somehow none of these "miracles" happen to any other brands... Only Apple. How is it that every company in the world can get this right, only where it comes to Apple suddenly you're faced with insurmountable mountain of problems?

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    6. Re:Start from the top. by iampiti · · Score: 2

      Well, you can often find $5 batteries for phones buy they're usually very crappy chines batteries. They usually last a few weeks then severely degrade or stop working altogether. 15-20$ ir more like it for decent batteries. Samsung asks for about 30€ where I live so it's not a bad price for an official battery.

  2. Re:in other words by rjstanford · · Score: 4, Informative

    And those are likely to be dismissed - no evidence yet shows any correlation between iOS version and performance scores that's not actually due to a poor battery.

    FWIW, I replaced the battery in my 3yo iPhone 6 a few months ago, and it despite heavy use it hadn't dropped enough to trigger the slowdown. It had degraded noticeably from a battery life standpoint though, so well worth replacing regardless.

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  3. Finally doing what they should have done by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the article on the $29 battery replacement:

    Apple's also promising to add features to iOS that provide more information about the battery health in early 2018, so that users are aware of when their batteries are no longer capable of supporting maximum phone performance

    I'm more happy about that than anything, it will be great to have something concrete to point to if someones phone seems slow and I want to rule out an old battery being part of the issue.

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    1. Re:Finally doing what they should have done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually...other phones suffer the battery issues constantly. I deal with the crap all the time where Android users complain thier phone have weird issues crop up as their phone ages past the 12-18 month stage. They swear it can't be the battery, we wipe the phone, and yet it persists. A new OEM battery later, and their issues are almost always cleared up. When phones required the small amount a Nokia candybar used it was no problem. There's more power in a modern iPhone than desktop computers released a few years ago. Just as when a PC PSU is failing & making for bizzare shit going on, so can a battery make for high speed computations to eat it.

    2. Re:Finally doing what they should have done by JohnFen · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's not as much bullshit as you think. When Lithium ion batteries age, they are no longer able to handle peak loads while maintaining the rated voltage. Apple was not lying about old batteries causing phones to mysteriously shut down for no apparent reason.

      I've seen the same thing happen in other phones -- the battery indicator says you have adequate charge, then you do something computationally intense and your phone shuts down without warning.

      Having an indication that your battery is in this condition is very useful. Otherwise, it's not clear what's wrong with your phone.

    3. Re:Finally doing what they should have done by Luthair · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Except that we've had modern smart phones for 10-years and the only models that I've heard about with widespread complaints about this issue are the Nexus 6P and the iphone 6. If this were purely physics we would be hearing this for every model yet - heck on the Android side we even have phones using the same processor as the 6P but don't seem to have the issue.

    4. Re:Finally doing what they should have done by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Most manufacturers design their phones to work at maximum performance with aged batteries. If the battery is fairly large it's generally not a problem anyway.

      Apple likes to use small, low capacity batteries. I guess it helps them keep the smaller models thin. What is really bad is that they apparently didn't test with degraded batteries. That's a really basic mistake to be making.

      Even if they didn't test before launch, I'd expect them to have phones on long term test, going through charge cycles and stress tests so that they can see any problems before they become widespread. That's what I do.

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    5. Re: Finally doing what they should have done by Brockmire · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So an Android user is able to figure out its defective battery and not software so they can replace it and get full functionality again. What the fuck point were you trying to make in Apple's favour?

  4. Comsumable component by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's inside a phone SEALED SHUT with **GLUE**.

  5. Could have avoided this mess by phalse+phace · · Score: 2

    by including in iOS the ability to see health information of battery like you can on MacBooks. Show the Cycle Count and Condition and other pertinent info so users have a better idea of when the battery is bad and needs replacing.

  6. Sort of stuck now by joe_frisch · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If they remove the slowdown, then they will be admitting that the excuse was a lie in the first place. So providing inexpensive batteries doesn't force them to admit to lying and open themselves up to a lawsuit.

    Obviously I don't know if the original excuse was true or not, but this was pretty much the only thing that they could have done in either case.

    Does anyone know enough about Li Ion batteries to weigh in on whether or not this makes sense? Does the peak power capability drop enough that its likely it couldn't support the power use?

  7. Sorry, not sorry by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    These are my favorite types of corporate apologies:

    "We at Apple want to apologize to any of our snowflake consumers who misunderstood our intent to force them into our new models. We did not mean to offend these little pricks who expect our products to work more than a couple of years. Now send us some money and we'll totally fix the problem we created."

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    1. Re:Sorry, not sorry by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe Apple started slowing down phones with diminished batteries because they realized that their customers, on average, prefer a phone that lasts 20 hours with diminished performance

      So why not say that to customers? Why not make it a setting so customers can decide whether they want their phones slowed down? Why not make it a setting and give customers a choice? Remember, the fact that Apple was slowing down older devices was only revealed after an independent study proved it. That's what it took, to make Apple admit what they had done.

      One should always assume a corporation is complete corporate assholes until there is ample evidence to the contrary. If someone buys a product, the owner has something of a right to know when the company that made that product is remotely slowing down their device.

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    2. Re:Sorry, not sorry by omnichad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They should have been transparent about it from the get go, but I do not think they were acting in a nefarious way or with poor intentions.

      Not even with the glaringly obvious reason that they wouldn't be transparent? The fact that they can let consumers assume it's because their phone is "old" or "behind the times" without having to lie to them directly. They had a huge profit motive in not stopping or slowing customers from buying new phones.

  8. The cynic in me asks by stabiesoft · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Did they do it all on purpose for some twisted marketing reason, from slowing it down, to leaking the problem, to giving a solution. The X is not selling well. I was at my carrier's store getting a new phone today (not an apple) and asked about the X. The manager said they had 20 in stock and they were not moving. Worse for them, they own it, can't discount it and can't return unsold inventory back to apple. There could be some very unhappy carriers if the get stuck with a bunch of X's. Could this battery getting headlines actually help sales of the X in some weird way?

  9. Baseless hysteria by iamacat · · Score: 2

    Your phone depends on complex thermal and power management to avoid unpleasant things like suddenly shutting down, burning your privates or bursting in flames. When the later case occurs, like with Note 7, you have a cause to complain. Otherwise, it's normal for performance to vary based on the weather or a particular bumper case. Would you prefer for devices to be artificially throttled when conditions allow faster operations so you don't get disappointed when they are a little slower?

  10. Oh, you caught us (tee hee!) by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Oh, goodness gracious- you caught us. We're so embarrassed that we'll use this opportunity to sell you something else, like an overpriced battery. Aren't we just a bunch of naughty little rascals?

    Hey, look over there- it's the iPhoneXs! The "s" is for "suckers", but you knew that, and we know you'll STILL buy it!

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  11. Re:Think seriously about Apple's development proce by omnichad · · Score: 2

    It would put them closer to par with their hardware development process. They've been designing hardware with major flaws for years and never acknowledging a thing. If a customer complains loud enough, they get a free replacement with no explanation - but no recalls, no attempts at anything better. Especially see every Macbook Pro for the last 10 years.

  12. Re:scummy by sound+vision · · Score: 2

    Oh, so now it only costs twice as much as other phones' batteries... until the price cut expires in a year.

    Sounds about as good as the Republican tax plan.

  13. Apple: Caught red-handed. AGAIN. by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's about intent.

    It certainly is.

    It looks like either they did a really poor job of power supply design (other phones don't "suddenly shut down" and they don't have this "feature"), or that they're just throttling for the obvious reason: they want you to buy a new phone.

    As for their protest, quoted verbatim here from their letter:

    First and foremost, we have never — and would never — do anything to intentionally shorten the life of any Apple product, or degrade the user experience to drive customer upgrades.

    ...this is utter bullshit. They constantly stop allowing their OS upgrades to run on hardware that is perfectly capable of running those upgrades. They've been caught at this multiple times. My 3 GHz, 12/24 core, 64 GB Mac Pro "can't" be upgraded to MacOS 10.13, so says Apple. But in fact, if you flash the bios to say that it's a machine made one year later, it'll upgrade perfectly. And why shouldn't it? It's little, if any, different than that machine. Even if it was slightly different (other than the date flashed into the hardware), this is a company with many, many billions of dollars in the bank that made a decision to obsolete this hardware for only one reason: So that it would go long in the tooth before its time and put buying pressure on the owner. There's no other possible reason.

    They threw the PPC emulation out the window for just as little reason (no, probably less.) They let all those user's software suddenly go obsolete for a reason that boils down to "weren't going to pay for the emulation any longer", again, when they had tons of cash to maintain the tech and users had tons of PPC software. I still support PPC software running on (very) old machines, specifically because there is no reasonable in-OS upgrade path that lets that stuff keep running. The irony is that the massive power of the machines we have now would make those apps run very well indeed — and we know Apple did this as a choice, not a need.

    I have more examples. From apps they took out of the store because they had integrated the tech into a new phone, thereby removing the possibility of users of an older phone having the tech unless they upgraded — to severe bugs they leave mouldering in old versions of the OS while not allowing upgrades to the new version of the OS, Apple is a known serial offender of the "let's pressure the customer."

    Apple is lying here. Flat-out lying. And caught at it.

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    1. Re:Apple: Caught red-handed. AGAIN. by Lothsahn · · Score: 2

      Other phones definitely DO shut down suddenly. My Nexus 6 shuts down at around 15% battery left. My wife's shuts down at around 40% battery left. We replaced her battery, and the problems went away. The phones are over 3 years old now, and batteries do wear out.

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  14. Not an acceptable "fix", just a lie. by sabbede · · Score: 2
    Why? Because this - "their batteries are no longer capable of supporting maximum phone performance." - is a lie. Even an old battery is perfectly capable of providing enough power to keep clocks at max, the charge just won't last as long. A true statement would be, "old batteries can't support both our advertised performance and advertised battery time" (I'm blanking on the right term for how long a full charge lasts).

    An actual fix would be to allow users to decide whether they want performance or battery time.

  15. Re: scummy by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 2

    Fuck, you're being obtuse. Up until recently, people thought their best option to a slow phone was a newer $1000 phone, not a $79 repair. People think of battery as operating life, not operating performance. If it reports having juice, it should be at max speed, right?

    By hiding this "feature", many people couldn't make an informed decision. Given the new information, how many people would have been happy to replace the battery instead of the phone?

    Apple is going to take a beating on new sales because now that this is public, those old, slow ass phones will get a $29 new battery and resold for cheaper than a new phone. The resale market is going to boom and people will not upgrade as often.

    Dumbfuck. When you get your battery replaced by Apple, you get your original phone BACK.