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Apple's MacBook Air-like Store Roof Wasn't Designed To Handle Snow... in Chicago (9to5mac.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report Apple opened its new flagship retail store in Chicago earlier this year to much acclaim, but as the weather turns from fall to winter, a design oversight is causing some problems. As reported by Chicago blog Spundart, Apple seemingly didn't design the MacBook Air-like roof of the store to account for snow... in Chicago. Apple's newest Chicago store garnered earlier attention for its roof design that mimics a MacBook Air, but one clear oversight is that there are no gutters to catch snow or ice. Furthermore, as the multi-level store sits along the Chicago River, the roof is sloped downward, meaning that anyone standing on the walkway along the river gets hit with falling snow and ice. Further reading: Apple is really bad at design.

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  1. stop blaming Apple by nomadic · · Score: 5, Funny

    Obviously you're holding the building wrong.

    1. Re:stop blaming Apple by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Obviously you're holding the building wrong.

      The funny thing is, if you look under the article, about half the commenters are essentially saying that.

      "Lots of buildings in Chicago have roped-off sidewalks in the winter. This is no big deal! Apple can still do no wrong! The astronomical prices I paid for their gear is still justified!"

    2. Re:stop blaming Apple by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Lots of buildings in Chicago have roped-off sidewalks in the winter.

      Why isn't this a valid point? If roping off the hazardous portion of the sidewalk is an accepted solution, what is the problem here?

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    3. Re:stop blaming Apple by jbengt · · Score: 4, Informative

      Lots of buildings in Chicago have roped-off sidewalks in the winter.

      Why isn't this a valid point?

      Because it's not really true.
      Many high-rise buildings in Chicago put up warning signs, typically in warmer weather when snow is more likely to melt, refreeze, and fall. For older buildings this is usually because of snow on window ledges and for newer buildings it is usually when snow sticks to the vertical surfaces like windows.
      Only rarely are sidewalks roped off, especially for single-story buildings like the Apple store - I haven't seen any roped off yet this season. Newer buildings have ways of containing/melting snow before it falls from sloping surfaces, like snow melt systems.
      The article keeps stalking bout gutters like they would help. They would actually make it worse for snow & ice, unless it included snow melting. What you often see on sloping roofs are protrusions that help hold the snow pack and break it up when it eventually melts and flows down. But that wouldn't be slick enough for Apple.

  2. Possibly MUCH more serious problem... by wisebabo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If they really completely forgot about snow and ice they have a much more serious problem.

    What about the WEIGHT of the snow and ice on the cantilevered roof with just the glass to support it?

    I looked at the picture and couldn't tell how far it was extended out from the central supports but if there's a lot of snow on top that then catches rain and sleet to become a heavy thick blanket of ice, I would imagine there could be some structural issues (if it even flexes a little maybe it would cause the glass to shatter).

    Any structural engineers who know this kind of construction and can shed some light on this issue?

    1. Re:Possibly MUCH more serious problem... by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ice dams are for snow. Gutters are for water. It would be very odd if Chicago did t require roof drainage, so I would assume there is a concealed gutter in the overhang. It just doesn’t do anything for the snow build-up.

      Apple retail stores are badly designed as functional buildings. Why should this one be any different! Let’s hope they also found a way to make the winter winds worse as well!

  3. They'll just release an update... by bi$hop · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...that intentionally slows down the snow and ice after one year.

  4. Roof works fine by EvilSS · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The snow falls of the roof just fine, it's not accumulating to the point of a collapse. So the problem isn't the roof.

    The problem is people are pedestrianing all wrong.

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  5. Re:Not upgradable by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

    Build early, build often?

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  6. Re:Not a design issue by fluffernutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Holy shit, your complete insensitivity to anyone else and your willingness to make excuses for Apple is simply staggering.

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  7. I used to work for apple... by Nabeel_co · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...and one thing that sticks out in memory is in some of their stores, they had opted to build things against code and safety guidelines and just pay the fines as long as it wouldn't shut down the stores.

    The company got in trouble regularly because of things like people hurting themselves by walking into glass doors that are hard to see without appropriate markers and whatnot.

    They didn't give a fuck.

    1. Re:I used to work for apple... by Nabeel_co · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or have vision problems... which was the case.

      A great thing to not care about for a company that "cares about inclusivity".

  8. Re:HEY EVERYBODY... by king+neckbeard · · Score: 4, Informative

    the building design probably isn't Apple's fault.

    The building design was pretty clearly intended to resemble a MacBook lid, and there's around a 0% chance that it was a coincidence.

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  9. No no no, its the snows fault by future+assassin · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's holding onto the roof wrong.

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  10. Re:Not a design issue by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The roof works fine, it's the damn snow that's the problem.

    Maybe write into the specs that the roof cannot be used to keep snow away. While you're at it, just to be safe, write it for water in general. Or hail. Or anything else that might fall from the sky.

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  11. This is pretty common in Downtown Chicago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I work in Downtown Chicago.

    First, we haven't really had snow yet. And by that, I mean we haven't had a good snowfall over 15" in one go, or our 36" annual snowfall, or our 89.7" record snowfall. I thought this would be a story about the roof handling the weight of snow. I'm guessing professionals that know Chicago had that in mind.

    Second, snow accumulates on exterior building walls, melts, freezes to ice, and falls off. Pretty much all of Downtown Chicago in winter is orange cones and signs saying "Danger–Falling Ice".

    So this is nothing unusual. Well, except it's Apple. That's the only thing that makes the story interesting at all.

  12. Re:HEY EVERYBODY... by Dan+East · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's also 0% chance that Apple just casually designed the building and it was not signed off on by architects, engineers, the city / state building inspectors and planning commissions, and thus met all requirements for handling snow and ice. My guess is the pitch of the roof was such that it did not require snow guards, but in reality it needs them.

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  13. Re:City engineers should have caught this by jbengt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You do not understand the permitting process.
    The stamps of the licensed architects & engineers are a surrogate for actually understanding and vetting the design. The plan reviewers and inspectors only look for specific code issues. Actually, it would be an impossible burden for them to thoroughly review all aspects of every building design, unless you had more inspectors and plan reviewers that you have architects & engineers submitting plans, and required mountains of additional paperwork from the architects & engineers.