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Movie Ticket Sales Hit A 22-Year Low in 2017 (msn.com)

An anonymous reader quotes the Los Angeles Times: Hollywood is celebrating the end of 2017 with astronomical sales from "Star Wars: The Last Jedi," which is on track to soon exceed $1 billion in global ticket sales and eventually become the biggest movie of the year. But that won't be enough to write a happy storyline for the industry. Although movie ticket sales in the U.S. and Canada are expected to dip just below last year's record of $11.38 billion, the number of tickets sold is projected to drop 4% to 1.26 billion -- the lowest level since 1995, according to preliminary estimates from studio executives.

The falloff in ticket sales can mostly be explained by a handful of movies that flopped, especially during the dreary summer season that posted the worst results in more than two decades. Even such massive hits as "Wonder Woman," "Thor: Ragnarok" and "It" couldn't make up for a lackluster summer lineup populated by rickety franchises ("Alien: Covenant") and poorly reviewed retreads ("The Mummy"). However, the long-term decline in attendance reflects systemic challenges facing the industry. Audiences are spending less time going to the movies and are consuming more entertainment on small screens and through streaming services such as Netflix and Amazon that are spending billions on original video content. At the same time, while higher ticket prices have helped to offset attendance declines, they have made consumers pickier about what movies they're willing to go see. And those increasingly discerning consumers turn to social media and Rotten Tomatoes to decide what's worth their time and money.

162 comments

  1. Superhero Movies by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    I can't understand why superhero movies are so popular? Who, over 12 years old, is going to see them? They come out with a new one every 3 months and they all look identical to me. They also make a ton of money, so they will continue make them. I only see art films myself.

    1. Re:Superhero Movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Parents whose kids want to see that crap? My dad sat through many Godzilla movies when I was a kid. That poor man!

      I just wait a month a get'em on redbox. Theaters suck. And for the price of two tickets, I can watch everything that comes out that I want to watch for the entire year and have money left over.

    2. Re:Superhero Movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I can't understand why musical songs are so popular? Who, over 12 years old, is going to hear them? They come out with a new song every 3 months, and they all sound identical to me. They also make a ton of money, so they will continue to make them. I only listen to traffic noise and lawnmowers myself.

    3. Re: Superhero Movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you only watch "art films", then I can understand why all of the super hero movies look exactly the same.

    4. Re:Superhero Movies by magzteel · · Score: 1

      I can't understand why superhero movies are so popular? Who, over 12 years old, is going to see them? They come out with a new one every 3 months and they all look identical to me. They also make a ton of money, so they will continue make them. I only see art films myself.

      What were the best art films of 2017

    5. Re:Superhero Movies by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      I can't understand why superhero movies are so popular? Who, over 12 years old, is going to see them?

      Sturgeon's law applies to everything, including people. And that 90% is an underestimate.

      Obviously, because of Dunning-Kruger, I don't trust my assessment of myself, either. There's only a few niches where I have confidence of my ability being above the "crap" level, and film critic is not one of them.

      But, regardless of whether or not I can adequately judge the quality of a particular movie, I also see that, with people who are not total morons being a small minority, almost all of money comes from tailoring the product for morons. Thus, Hollywood movies are utter crap not because of a lack of ability of its creators but because their purpose is to make as much money as possible.

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    6. Re:Superhero Movies by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Star Wars: The Last Artist and Art Runner 2047 were my top picks. You probably haven't heard of them. They were Indie films only released here in Portland. I also have a fixie bike and a long bushy beard.

    7. Re:Superhero Movies by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

      Good point, but this is about movies, not music. Try to stay on topic.

    8. Re:Superhero Movies by darthsilun · · Score: 1

      Superhero, Star Wars, Star Trek, Bond, blah, blah, blah.

      My wife likes the superhero movies, thus we go see them. We were born at the tail end of the baby boom. The audiences are full of millennials and tail-end-of-the-baby-boomers. That's who.

    9. Re:Superhero Movies by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wrong.

      The only Indie Films ever released are:
      - Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)
      - Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom (1984)
      - Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989)
      - Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (2008)

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    10. Re:Superhero Movies by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      That explains why I haven't watched any new movies for 10 years.

    11. Re:Superhero Movies by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Here are the cinematic options that Hollywood gives me today:

      1) Superhero sequel #2986--this time with slightly improved explosions
      2) Disney movies where men/boys are always either the buffoon or the villain
      3) Indie darlings about black/gay/lesbian/transsexuals fighting evil white people over slavery/oppression
      4) Remake of decent movie that you liked 20 years ago, but now with an all-woman cast and much shittier writing!

      Now which should I spend $50-$80 to take my wife and son to, when I could just stream something at home on my 4K home theater?

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    12. Re:Superhero Movies by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Well, being a record low year would suggest that superhero movies are exactly NOT popular...

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    13. Re:Superhero Movies by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      Wrong.

      The only Indie Films ever released are:
      - Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)
      - Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom (1984)
      - Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989)

      FTFY. True fans don't mention the crystal skull abomination.

    14. Re:Superhero Movies by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Quite the opposite. The superhero ones are the ones that brought in all the money! 5 of the top 10 were superhero movies (realistically 8 of the top 10 were "superhero" type movies). The only solution is to produce more superhero movies.

    15. Re:Superhero Movies by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      The superlative is meaningless if what you compare it to is nothing to compare with. The GDR was also the most productive country of the East Bloc. Compared to a real economy, though...

      In other words, just because they were the "best" movies of the year doesn't mean that they performed well. Or, rather, that really good movies could have made them look pale in comparison. What you would have to compare them to is the revenue of movies that sold well in good years.

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    16. Re:Superhero Movies by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      The latest Spiderman movie is in the top 50 highest grossing movies OF ALL TIME. In less than one year. There is a reason they make them. 2017 was a good year, despite this article. It is the second highest revenue year for the industry OF ALL TIME.

    17. Re:Superhero Movies by Zocalo · · Score: 1

      It does not automatically follow that because there has been a 22-year low for *all* movies that superhero movies are part of the problem, or are fading in popularity. In fact, the entirely of the fall-off seems to be mostly accounted for by other genres while superhero movies taken in isolation seem to have remained static, or even increased their ticket sales, depending on which set of box office figures you believe.

      Also, don't forget that superhero (including things like Star Wars and Star Trek, not just DC/Marvel/etc.) movies offer a phenomonal amount of additional revenue through merchandising compared to almost every other movie genre, Disney/Dreamworks animated franchises being the only other real player. Hollywood might not get as large a percentage from the mechandising rights at they do for ticket sales but the sheer volume of it isn't to be sneezed at, and you can guarantee that is factored into the budgeting and selection of what goes to production.

      Sadly for those of us that prefer other genres, or are just looking for a little more variety with decent levels of quality, superhero movies are a *huge* part of Hollywood's profits and they're not going to be going anywhere anytime soon.

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    18. Re:Superhero Movies by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      The superlative is meaningless if what you compare it to is nothing to compare with.

      There were plenty of movies in 2017 to compare to. Of the top twenty, only two (Dunkirk at #15 and Coco at #20) were not about superheros, not sequels, and not remakes. But further down the list, there are many more, and they did not do well.

      This is what audiences want:
      1. No originality
      2. Lots of explosions
      3. As little dialog and character development as possible.

      Expect to see more of the same.

    19. Re:Superhero Movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, grown-ups who where under 12 years old at one point in their life, and like the nostalgia?

      Or maybe grown-ups who haven't got a huge fucking stick up their ass, and are willing to admit that some fun things are still fun even though they are adults now?

      You really do have a warped view of the world.

    20. Re:Superhero Movies by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      We named the dog film "Indiana"

    21. Re:Superhero Movies by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      So ... splice together a few YouTube Videos of demolitions and you have the next blockbuster.

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    22. Re:Superhero Movies by MaryannG · · Score: 1

      So, we took the family to see Murder on the Orient Express last week. The movie itself was actually pretty good (although I'll admit that I'm easily entertained) but what made the entire experience truly worthwhile was that our local theater had a half price Tuesday promotion and we went on Tuesday. I didn't know about the promotion until the register showed the amount for 7 tickets and it came out to less than $40. I was totally prepared to pay around $85 (we had 4 teens to keep occupied over the Christmas break). Thing is: the last movie I saw was Ragnarok with my son and as I thought on that movie I discovered that my personal rating for how good a movie is is very much dependent on how much I pay for the experience. I like Thor but I'd have liked it a lot more had the price been $11 for 2 tickets as opposed to $23. I'd also tend to take a flyer on more movies if doing so didn't mean I'd break the bank doing it. I bet if they cut prices across the board by 50%, you'd see way more than a doubling of people going to see movies. And for an industry that likes to pose themselves as so very liberal, you'd think they'd recognize their pricing models means poorer folks can't enjoy their product near as comfortably as middle and upper class families can. Just my 2c.

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    23. Re:Superhero Movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congratulations. You've now given Hollywood a summary of what their key points are. Expect their next movie to be about a Superhero black/gay/trans/numale fighting Lex Luther in the remade Superman 27: Triggered by Kryptonite.

      Thanks. Thanks a bunch.

    24. Re:Superhero Movies by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      And you have indianajacktrucker too.

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    25. Re: Superhero Movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I actually donâ(TM)t go to the movies except for the occasional superhero film. I donâ(TM)t go to the theater more than twice in a year, itâ(TM)s just far too expensive. But Guardians of the Galaxy 2 and Wonderwoman this year weâ(TM)re worth it. Deadpool 2 and Avengers is 2018

    26. Re: Superhero Movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hollywood is currently in a phase where it is trying to encourage women and minorities to stand up for themselves and set lofty goals. Sometimes it's done ham fistedly and it doesn't work out. But even so, does it really bother you that much? Isn't it at least an honorable goal?

    27. Re:Superhero Movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More likely, most of the people making Hollywood movies are also morons. Thus the credo that entertainment of the morons, by the morons, for the morons, shall not perish from the earth.

    28. Re:Superhero Movies by jittles · · Score: 1

      4) Remake of decent movie that you liked 20 years ago, but now with an all-woman cast and much shittier writing!

      Oh how I wish they would do this with Charlie's Angels. Those women would look so hot on screen, being bad asses and saving the world and stuff.

    29. Re:Superhero Movies by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      Good for you! I presume you like to sniff your own farts as well?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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    30. Re: Superhero Movies by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      does it really bother you that much?

      No, not particularly. But I'm not paying $50-$80 to take my kid to a movie that teaches him to be ashamed of himself for being born a white male either.

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    31. Re:Superhero Movies by kbrannen · · Score: 1

      Superhero movies can be fun, but I've become "superhero'd out". It has to be REALLY good before I'll go to the theaters to see 1 now (and I'm having trouble remembering the last 1 I saw in the theater, but I think it might have been Avengers/Ultron 2 years ago). This is especially true when I can wait 6 months and see it on DVD, whether rented or bought, and I'll have saved money either way. Waiting the time doesn't bother me.

      Another thing that I don't care for is the creators making storylines where the superheroes fight each over. I realize they're trying to create drama, but I don't like superhero (SH) stories for that. I want the SH to fight the bad guys and overcome, usually in a spectacular fashion. Yeah, that's simple but SH stories lend themselves to simple and entertaining. So if they make more of those where SH fight amongst themselves, they can expect me to continue to ignore them.

    32. Re:Superhero Movies by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 1

      If you're asking what the best small release movies of 2017 were, and if it's a serious question, Mully and The Glass Castle are the two best.

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    33. Re:Superhero Movies by guacamole · · Score: 1

      Don't forget:

      4a) Pointless, useless sequels and prequels to what was originally a decent film.

    34. Re:Superhero Movies by Altrag · · Score: 1

      1. No originality

      Audiences like originality. They just don't demand it so producers take the safe bet and go with what they know for sure will sell rather than

      2. Lots of explosions

      Yep. Audiences definitely want this. And lots of boobies, but that's stymied by the religious nutjobs who think guns are fun and crime is fine but nipples will cripple childhood development.

      3. As little dialog and character development as possible.

      Yes and no. Audiences definitely aren't as interested in dialogue-heavy shows but that's mostly because dialogue-heavy shows tend to be more artsy rather than entertaining. Artsy stuff may be "interesting" in the sense of the stories they tell, the messages they delivery and the problems they expose, but they're often not all that entertaining in the same way that robots and explosions are.

      But TV sitcoms and reality shows suggest that audiences are willing to deal with heavy dialogue if its done in an entertaining form, so why is it so lightweight in movies? Goes back to the producers again. Heavy dialogue is difficult and expensive to translate, and movie producers have to consider a global market now from day one rather than as an afterthought to wring a little more profit out of a locally-successful film. Explosions are cool in all languages. Exposition is.. less so.. especially if its riddled with slang and set phrases that don't have direct translations, never mind the practical aspect of having to match the lip movements as much as possible.

      Find pretty much any foreign show that has both fan-made subtitles as well as a professional dub (might have to go back a ways since as noted, most things are released with translations already and fansubs aren't nearly as common as straight rips.) Fansubs tend to be a lot more literal in their translations whereas the professional dubbing is restricted by lip syncing and other technical limitations. I recommend a fansub as the matching professional subs are pretty hit and miss -- some will tend more to the literal side and show this issue while others will be a direct transcription of the dubs and seem fine if you don't know the original language at all.. It gets really jarring if you use the subs as a poor man's close captioning over a dubbed show and they went the literal route.. you end up hearing and reading sometimes vastly different phrasing..

    35. Re:Superhero Movies by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Call it what the are: Stupidhero Movies

      * Lots of explosions
      * Formulaic, predictable Plot
      * Lens Flare

      Yawn

      i.e. How to Make a Michael Bay Film

    36. Re:Superhero Movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right now you sound like a vegan complaining that chocolate shouldn't be so popular because it only appeals to kids under 12 years old. You think you sound impressive, but it's just so fucking stupid that it's painful to read.

    37. Re:Superhero Movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't understand why slashdot topics are so popular? Who, over 12 years old, stays on them? They come out with a new topic every 3 hours, and they all seem identical to me. They also get a ton of views, so they will continue to post them. I only post about creimer myself.

    38. Re: Superhero Movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I'm not paying $50-$80 to take my kid to a movie that teaches him to be ashamed of himself for being born a white male either.

      How much would you pay? I feel bad for your kid who you are apparently teaching that being a white male in America is somehow unfair and he should act like a victim.

    39. Re: Superhero Movies by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      our kid who you are apparently teaching that being a white male in America is somehow unfair and he should act like a victim.

      No, I'm teaching him that pre-judging ANYONE on the basis of their race or gender is a bad thing. Maybe you're teaching your kid that it's okay to always villianize or mock a particular race or gender, just as long as it's white people or men. Seems to be the consensus in Hollywood lately, and certainly at Disney.

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    40. Re: Superhero Movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You say you're not, but then you immediately follow that with acting like a victim. You're teaching him to be a member of his "tribe", not an individual.

    41. Re:Superhero Movies by rat7307 · · Score: 1

      Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (2008)

      Wow, it's been that long since I didn't watch that.

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    42. Re:Superhero Movies by registrations_suck · · Score: 1

      I can't understand why superhero movies are so popular? Who, over 12 years old, is going to see them? They come out with a new one every 3 months and they all look identical to me. They also make a ton of money, so they will continue make them. I only see art films myself.

      Because people can watch "art films" at home. Who wants to watch a serious movie in the company of a bunch of noise-creating, inconsiderate assholes?

      1). The movie theater "experience" still sucks - mostly due to the audience. Loud sound systems and small screens don't help. If they don't fix that, even going to the movies for FREE isn't much of a value proposition as far as I am concerned.

      2). The content itself largely sucks. There's only maybe a maximum of 3 movies/year I want to see anyway. This year I saw three, and only TWO of those three I liked (++ to Planet of the Apes and Rogue One, -- to The Last Jedi). There may be plenty of other interesting movies, but I can easily wait until they come out for home viewing, even if it it takes years.

      With the superhero movies - you can let the assholes be assholes and it really doesn't matter too much because you're not going to miss some complex plot point while telling the asshole next to you to shut the fuck up and just OPEN HIS FUCKING CANDY ALREADY instead trying to discretely open it for another half hour.

    43. Re: Superhero Movies by rhazz · · Score: 1

      It's very sad that you've taught your child that he can only be proud of the accomplishments of white male characters in movies.

    44. Re:Superhero Movies by torkus · · Score: 1

      There's a reason why people spend countless hours on youtube and the endless videos of exactly that often have 100k+ views each.

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    45. Re:Superhero Movies by Ranbot · · Score: 2

      I can't understand why superhero movies are so popular? ... I only see art films myself.

      Superhero and other action/special effects heavy movies make the best use of the theater's big screen and sound systems. Most dramas and art movies don't gain much if anything seeing them in the theater vs home, so people are spending their money accordingly. The dramas and art films are still being made, they just don't get theater ticket sales, which is the focus of the article.

      Superhero movies are also simple fun and escape. Not everyone considers a fighting back tears watching a heart-wrenching drama an enjoyable way to spend their Saturday night. If you enjoy a movie night clutching a tissue box, that's fine, but others may prefer more escapism in their movies and there's nothing wrong with that.

    46. Re:Superhero Movies by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      I can't understand why superhero movies are so popular? Who, over 12 years old, is going to see them? They come out with a new one every 3 months and they all look identical to me. They also make a ton of money, so they will continue make them. I only see art films myself.

      Well, me, my girlfriend, and a large fraction of all my friends. Of course we all pretty much like science fiction films which super heroes could be considered a sub-genre of. The movies, at least the Marvel ones, are picking from the best characters and stories of the last fifty years which have stood the test of time and although usually indepedent stories, are mostly part of a larger overall story arc.

    47. Re:Superhero Movies by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

      There's a reason why people spend countless hours on youtube and the endless videos of exactly that often have 100k+ views each.

      Russian dashcam videos?

  2. Need to embrace a new model by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

    Theaters, Studios and Distributors need to look at how movies are priced and sold vs their competition. Netflix, Amazon, etc. are using a subscription model to generate the revenue they need to produce and provide content. MoviePass is trying to do the same but is being resists by theaters despite getting paid the same. As consumers get more accepting of the subscription model paying to go to the movies may become even less a choice. Of course, Netflix's cost structure is much different than theaters who have high fixed costs in running a B&M operation. In addition, the profit model for studios runs counter to a subscription model, since studios use blockbusters to cover all of their costs. If a subscription model eliminates large blockbuster gates they could very well lose that revenue if a significant percentage of their viewer base has a subscription, which means the revenue is fixed and spread over several movies so there is no marginal revenue from blockbusters.

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    1. Re: Need to embrace a new model by omnichad · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'll still gladly pay to go see a movie - if only there was anything good. This is no different than competing against VHS rental. When the movies are bad, people will wait or skip entirely. It's been this way for 30+ years.

    2. Re: Need to embrace a new model by TheRaven64 · · Score: 0

      This is no different than competing against VHS rental

      I disagree. DVD was the game changer: you can blow a DVD up on a projector and not be bothered by the quality, and you often get exactly the same sound track as in a cinema. For a few hundred quid, I bought a DVD player, projector and surround sound system over 10 years ago, which gave me a similar field of view and better sound than my local cinema. The cinemas were only competitive because a ticket was £3-4, whereas a new DVD was £10-20. DVD rental subscriptions shifted this, and for about £10/month, I could rent films 3 at a time through the post. At the same time, the price of a cinema ticket went up to about £6, so two people going to the cinema cost more than renting for a month.

      Since then, the quality of projectors has gone up and you can stream HD video. The cinema doesn't offer anything of additional value.

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    3. Re: Need to embrace a new model by omnichad · · Score: 1

      While I agree that better picture quality makes a difference, a lot of good movies don't benefit from higher picture quality at all. Especially during that time period and for the much lower price. And any movie that's just a montage of VFX today is usually not even worth a rental. And I'm saying that as someone who owns a fair number of Blu-Rays and has a surround system.

      As someone who still enjoys 3D, there is no good home viewing option now that passive 3D is entirely off the home video market. I never wanted active 3D flickering, but even that's going away. You can argue that the quality is pretty bad at times because few studios shoot natively in 3D anymore, but for the right movie it can still be more immersive.

    4. Re: Need to embrace a new model by kenai_alpenglow · · Score: 1

      You forget over priced drinks/popcorn, dirty bathrooms, cellphones, heads-in-the-way...oh, you meant VALUE.

    5. Re:Need to embrace a new model by Ranbot · · Score: 1

      Subscriptions can be a big mental hurdle for many consumers, even if it makes logical economic sense. However, Hollywood could also allow ticket prices to fluctuate up and down with actual market demands. Prices could go up or down based on factors like...
      - Special effects/sound that benefit from the theater experience vs watching at home (e.g. action vs dramas... give people a price break if they are willing to see a drama in the theaters).
      - Opening day/week vs later showings
      - Popularity of the franchise
      - Popularity of actors/actresses/directors
      - Reward/Loyalty/Discount programs

      They could track ticket sales data in real time and respond dynamically to the real market to wring every penny possible from us, like companies in other fields do, but instead they stick with their ~100 year old flat price model.

    6. Re:Need to embrace a new model by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      Subscriptions can be a big mental hurdle for many consumers, even if it makes logical economic sense. However, Hollywood could also allow ticket prices to fluctuate up and down with actual market demands.

      They could track ticket sales data in real time and respond dynamically to the real market to wring every penny possible from us, like companies in other fields do, but instead they stick with their ~100 year old flat price model.

      They do some of this already, with cheaper prices during the day and early how on weekends at some theaters. The challenge is Hollywood doesn't want to make a profit on a movie but generate as much revenue as possible. If the drop prices on less poplar films they may not get as many addition seats sold to make up from the loss of revenue from the movie's core audience and thus get less revenue to cover all the costs rolled into a film. Basically, the more money a film makes the higher its costs so unless they are sure dynamic pricing would mean more revenue they won't do it because it means less costs to attribute to the movie; which is where the studios and everyone else, except the movies backers, actually makes money.

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  3. So Crap Dont Sell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whodatunkdat?

  4. Other people ruin it every time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hate going to the theater and having to listen to people talking, crunching on popcorn or rustling candy packages, their cell phone screen light in the dark... And this occurs only in all the best situations.

    1. Re:Other people ruin it every time. by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Therefore Blu-Ray or Netflix/YouTube streaming in your home studio instead. No surprise that people don't go to the theater anymore.

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  5. I have options by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've got a 42" TV and it's not even that big by American standards. I've got video games that border on photo realistic (uncanny valley not withstanding). I've got Netflix, YouTube and a video camera built into my $200 cell phone if I want to make my own movies. I don't need them anymore.

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    1. Re:I have options by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Funny

      You don't get the same experience seeing "Star Wars: The Last SJW" at home. It is something that needs to be experienced in a theater.

    2. Re:I have options by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Why? My projector at home projects a smaller image, but I sit closer so the field of view is similar. My home audio system is set up for people sitting on the sofa that I normally sit on when I'm watching films and doesn't have the base turned up so much that it causes distortions in the speakers (unlike the last cinema I went to). What do I get in the cinema that I don't get at home? If I want to watch a film with more people, I can invite some friends over and, best of all, they bring beer.

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    3. Re:I have options by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      You miss the nuances of the characters and dialogue. Dialogue such as this:
      Poe Dameron: Permission to hop in an X-Wing and blow something up?
      Leia Organa: Permission granted.

      You are truly missing out.

    4. Re:I have options by lrichardson · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Uh ... no. Just no.

      I recalculated it recently - a giant tub of popcorn runs me about $0.83 (CDN) at home, mostly for the butter. We can pause movies at any point, for washroom breaks, or to get more drinks/munchies. The seats are more comfortable at home. The field of view is much, much, much better at home. Only thing missing is other people being annoying - bumping the back of your seat; talking, texting, moving around in front of you, distracting you from the movie.

      Actually, one thing is missing from the theaters - the 3D effect ... thank Gord!!!

      The industry won't reveal the numbers, but a substantial percentage of viewers develop nausea and/or headaches. Per one study, mentioned in Wikipedia, that number is 55%.

    5. Re:I have options by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Gord is one dude I sure want to be friend with and not mess up things for.

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    6. Re:I have options by serviscope_minor · · Score: 0

      I recalculated it recently - a giant tub of popcorn runs me about $0.83 (CDN) at home, mostly for the butter.

      Here's the thing though, you don't have to spend the entire movie stuffing your maw with eats. It is possible to sit for an hour or two without eating anything at all! Weird...

      You can in fact make an evening of it. Pick an early/late showing and go to dinner in a nice restaurante after/before.

      We can pause movies at any point, for washroom breaks, or to get more drinks/munchies.

      Blessing and a curse. I like being able to do that, except you never get the same effect as in the cinema. If you're out somewhere you can't stop and temporarily do something else, then, well, you don't have those distractions during the film.

      If you can't sit for 2 hours without having to pee then (a) go before the film and (b) try not drinking a 128oz type II diabeties guaranteed magasoda during the film.

      Only thing missing is other people being annoying - bumping the back of your seat; talking, texting, moving around in front of you, distracting you from the movie.

      All I can say is that people in your cinemas are really badly behaved! Where on earth do you live?

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    7. Re:I have options by antdude · · Score: 1

      But Netflix and YouTube doesn't have all the movies and TV shows especially new releases. :P

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    8. Re:I have options by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Only thing missing is other people being annoying - bumping the back of your seat; talking, texting, moving around in front of you, distracting you from the movie.

      Man, you Canadians must all be rude assholes. You should drive South to the US. Although seriously, I keep hearing issues like this by people but haven't seen such behavior in a long time. Not that it hasn't ever happened, but certainly not in the last three+ years/dozen films, I've gone to. Chairs are all big and comfy now, each row is elevated so I don't have to worry about the person's hair in front of me, and I don't even experience the sticky popcorn encrusted floors I grew up with any more. I really wonder if most of this is just adverse conditioning from decades ago.

  6. Econ 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Almost record dollar amounts with almost record low sales. Hmmm... Anybody in Hollywood ever take Econ 101? When prices are high, sales are low. Go ask all the sports stadiums have their sales are going.

    1. Re: Econ 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go ask Apple, too.

  7. I love the new model by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like how Netflix is bring out niche shows that'll never be made by traditional media companies who needs to water down things to appeal to the messes. If it takes a few million dollars every year by Netflix to keep just 1% of their subscribers happy, it's worth it for them. They have 110 million subscribers and gross 11 million from 1% of their customers. While the networks or even the movie studios can't afford to do that because everything has to be a hit with limited primetime hours to maximize ratings and theater owners unwilling to screen movies that won fill the sits.

  8. Theatres committed suicide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why would I spend twenty dollars to sit next to an asshole teenager who is texting the whole time. Or some jackass who brought a three year old to an r rated film. After watching twenty minutes of commercials and spoiler trailers, having my ears blasted out... And while being able to hear the movie playing next door even in quiet moments of my movie. Because louder is better? Why? I can't move seats to get away from jerks because seats are assigned now. I have to kick people out of my seat quite often because people sit in my assigned seat. The quality of food and drink continually declines, the kitchens are often filthy messes, theatres do not even provide unsweetened tea anymore, the workers seem suicidally depressed, and the remaining customers often seem like self entitled rich jackasses who are not there to see a film, but to be waited on and catered to. Why would I want to go anymore? My best experiences were in the second run theatre tbh. Don't know what had happened but it's.profoundly unpleasant nowdays to go to films.

    1. Re:Theatres committed suicide by OFnow · · Score: 1

      Strangely enough a couple movie theaters in San Mateo County have cleaned the rugs and the bathrooms and now one can buy a reserved seat on line, so no need to get to the theater early. It seems much more pleasant than a few months ago. Still an annoying experience waiting in a slow line to buy the (unimproved) food though.

    2. Re:Theatres committed suicide by Curupira · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why would I spend twenty dollars to sit next to an asshole teenager who is texting the whole time. Or some jackass who brought a three year old to an r rated film.

      Perhaps you should go to better cinemas, like Alamo Drafthouse:

      Etiquette
      Alamo Drafthouse is famous for enforcing a strict policy on behavior while in the theater. Children under the age of two are not allowed except for showings on specific days which are designated "Alamo For All" showings where parents are encouraged to bring young children and rules around talking are relaxed.[35] Unaccompanied minors are not allowed in showings, except for members of the Alamo Drafthouse's Victory Vanguard rewards program, which allows 15-17 year olds to attend showings unattended after their application to the rewards program has been submitted and reviewed. The application involves demonstrating an understanding of the theater's policies around talking, texting, arriving to the theater late, and basic tipping etiquette.[36] The cinema also prohibits talking and texting during the film. Anyone who violates this policy is subject to warning and potential removal from the premises.[37] Alamo made national headlines in 2011 when the rantings of one angry customer who was ejected for texting were included in its "Don't Talk or Text" PSA shown before films. "When we adopted our strict no talking policy back in 1997 we knew we were going to alienate some of our patrons," Tim League posted on the cinema's website. "That was the plan. If you can't change your behavior and be quiet (or unilluminated) during a movie, then we don't want you at our venue."[38]

      If you live in a major city in America or elsewhere, I'm sure there is a local cinema with the same philosophy.

    3. Re:Theatres committed suicide by antdude · · Score: 1

      That is why I go during morning hours and on weekdays if possible. Way cheaper and less annoying. ;)

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  9. Movies are crap. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    So I, as a consumer, go to see movies to be entertained. However it seems Hollywood is hell bent on shoving its leftist political agenda down my throat for every movie I see. They take a movie I've already seen, remake it with a bad coat of paint and then can't understand why most people are "meh" on it.

    Really, Hollywood -- stop with your shit. I have known some brilliant black scientists, but c'mon Hollyweed -- maybe every white person doesn't have to be evil and saved by a black scientist. Also I don't care about the evil government coverup that is uncovered by a strong female reporting. I just don't give a shit about that stuff. It doesn't affect my daily life in any way. And stop just swapping out young actors for old ones. When I see a movie I care about the story; not the people portraying it. Hollywood seems to assume people see a movie because of the actor. Maybe some do, but bzzt! Celebrities don't have much value without good writing behind them (hint, hint).

    Maybe I should start a campaign to really piss off all the Hollywood types -- MMGA (Make Movies Great Again!) Yup, a take off of a great slogan that must drive them mad. LOL.

    1. Re:Movies are crap. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Maybe I should start a campaign to really piss off all the Hollywood types -- MMGA (Make Movies Great Again!) Yup, a take off of a great slogan that must drive them mad. LOL."

      Do it.

      Please.

    2. Re:Movies are crap. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hollywood would take the slogan, turn it into a movie and make a reboot, a prequel, and make the hero a tranny who is also president; because this accurately reflects America. FML.

  10. Started with porn by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

    Once you could get porn over the Internet, no one went to those movies any more. As streaming movies becomes more capable, you are slowly going to kill the theater experience. Who needs to go to a theater to see a massive wide screen, when you already have one at home?

    1. Re:Started with porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With porn I can now butter my own popcorn at home!
      (It's okay, I eat my pineapple juice).

  11. FAKE PIRATES by thygate · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know, it's piracy right ? Not the fact that nowadays they make a long-play film out of a "story" that wouldn't even be considered as a side-plot for a Star Trek episode a few decade ago. Where actors are cast based on looks only, talent is irrelevant. When movie studios are basically banks, going for proven ROI's only, taking zero risk, killing and burying all remaining talent. Where now almost everything is a reboot or spinoff of a brand name made a few decades ago and marketed and hyped to death. Adding ZERO value, often simply demeaning to the original. And even when they try real hard, everything is pushed and shoved and even in their best efforts the end result simply lacks finesse. Where the whole SciFi genre is now reduced to Xmen bullshit and yet even more action packed garbage with simply no plot, no insights, nothing, just terrible cgi action scenes, and cheesy dialog. Where everything is tailored to one age category and the common denominator where all of the audience is considered to be brain dead morons and potheads.

    1. Re:FAKE PIRATES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nailed it!

      And I hate the Xmen, btw. It's so stupid. Biochemistry violating the laws of physics? I need a tiny basis in reality.

    2. Re:FAKE PIRATES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Defensive much? TFS named "systemic challenges" facing the industry, and piracy wasn't one of them.

      Now if we were talking about pop music, yes, your file sharing is a big issue there. But we're not.

    3. Re:FAKE PIRATES by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Name one year when the majority of movies in cinemas were not dreck. It's always been that way. In fact, if anything critics consider this something of a golden age... Which when you look at sci fi and action from the 80s and 90s seems credible.

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  12. TFA: "Global market is profitable - and expanding" by grumling · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hollywood doesn't make movies for the United States. They're targeting Asian audiences and competing with Bollywood, where it is pretty typical to see serial-style films with the same characters and plot lines over and over. Not to say that doesn't happen in the US and western film (Bond, Star Trek, Star Wars, etc), but it is on a whole new level.

    The difference is that the US produces spectacles using a lot of technology. Bollywood produces spectacles using a lot of people.

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  13. Re: I have a movie for u by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    thats the one with eve lawrence, innit?

  14. For me, it's astounding nostalgia... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: The tales I read as a boy (last I saw in theaters was "Dr. StRaNgE" one of my all-time favs from the 60's) are now HUGE hit films (so it's nostalgic memories done astonishingly well in fact).

    * I want to go see Thor Ragnarok (heard it's really good, even superior to Dr. Strange) & also the upcoming Avengers: Infinity War also...

    APK

    P.S.=> I'm 53 yrs. of age & these films appeal to me MOSTLY on those grounds - seeing what I read as a boy (what really BOOSTED my reading too (StarTrek TOS actually taught me to speak English as I am a "gen 1 U.S. Citizen" & my family spoke polish @ home until I was 10) & interest in sciences/computing too) redone as modern film (the finest art form in some ways, reading beats it in others in that YOU are the 'director' painting the film in YOUR mind minus the director's view adding a diff. patinae (sp?) instead)... apk

    1. Re:For me, it's astounding nostalgia... apk by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      I guess that could be it, but are the current superhero movies anything like the superhero comic books from the 1960s-1970s? It seems to me they would be destroying your nostalgia.

    2. Re: For me, it's astounding nostalgia... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never read the comics so it doesn't matter to me that they don't resemble the comics. The Marvel ones are just great movies.

      Except the first two Thors. Those blew. But the third was fantastic. All but two of the X-men movies were also painful bullshit.

      The dialog is often funny, and the action scenes are good for comic book action. And that covers 100% of what they try to do with these movies. So they succeed wildly.

  15. The problem is the theaters, not the movies. by pubwvj · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The problem is the theaters, not the movies. Theaters are an awful way to experience a movie. There are:
    Stinks
    Excess Noise
    Uncomfortable seats
    Garbage
    Gum
    Spit food
    Obnoxious people
    Strangers
    No pause button
    No skip button for previews we don't want
    No rewind button for things we want to see or hear again
    Inconvenient locked in times of day
    Have to travel to the theater
    High prices for theater
    High prices for snacks and not allowed to bring our own better ones

    For the cost of one theater ticket I can buy several movies that our entire family can enjoy and even watch again later if we want.

    Theaters are a very poor solution.

    1. Re:The problem is the theaters, not the movies. by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      For me it's both. I hate theatres for most of the reasons you suggest. Then there is a lack of movies that I actually want to see. The studios keep putting out movies that are just the same thing. They keep making money with rebooting superhero stories and until they stop that's all we'll get.I'd love to have well-written movies with stories that make me think but I'm in the minority so those movies rarely get made. It's cheap laughs and special effects with just enough story to justify their use for the near future I'm afraid.

    2. Re:The problem is the theaters, not the movies. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you must be a ball of fun at live theater and concerts

    3. Re:The problem is the theaters, not the movies. by bangular · · Score: 2

      I think if we flip the question, the answer is obvious. What are theaters doing to keep themselves alive? The reasons you cite have mostly been around for awhile (though you could argue some have gotten worse).

      The quality of the home theater has vastly outpaced the marginal increases in quality at movie theaters. Cheap, huge TV's at very high resolutions with a huge catalog of instantly-available streaming services. At some point, many people decided it made more sense to stay home.

      Once you have been conditioned to watch movies at home, the movie theater loses the habit forming inertia it once had and people just assume to stay home. The thought of going out to see a movie doesn't even enter their mind.

      If theaters never existed and launched from scratch today, they'd be an instant flop.

    4. Re:The problem is the theaters, not the movies. by pubwvj · · Score: 1

      Not really. I don't go to them.
      I dislike live theater and concerts.
      Far better to get the DVD or CD.
      What I do for live entertainment is dancing.
      Every week. Live music. Live people. Very good.
      Totally different experience than theater and concerts largely because it is participatory.

  16. It's the cinema experience by muons · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I recently wen to a chain cinema instead of the independent one near my house. We were treated like cattle, given assigned seats (!?), and had to endure advertisements on the screen before the movie. I don't mind a printed add in a slideshow of movie trivia to show your stub for a free dessert at a nearby restaurant or something like that. These were like TV commercials with sound so loud you could not talk to your friends that lasted a minute or more with no redeeming content between them. Even if the movie had been really good the entire experience would be tainted.

    With Netflix, Hulu, Amazon streaming, etc. you can wait and watch it at home cheaper. The reason to go to the movies is the experience. Improve the experience and people will come. Treat people like cattle and they will stay away. Our local cinema has a bar attached, real butter on the popcorn, and only shows previews before the movie. They actively try to create a community by showing classics at midnight on weekends, hosting movie trivia contests, and showing locally produced movies including a Q&A with the makers. They participate in film festivals. It isn't that hard.

    1. Re:It's the cinema experience by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      I recently wen to a chain cinema instead of the independent one near my house. We were treated like cattle, given assigned seats (!?),

      That tends to be how the more expensive cinemas work here. You book seats so you know exactly where you're going to sit and don't have to worry about the group being split up or being too close to the front or whatever if you arrive during the adverts.

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  17. The cause is right there.. by Junta · · Score: 3, Informative

    By number of tickets sold, it's terrible, yet by revenue it's nearly a record. This means the per seat price to go to a movie is astronomical, which feeds into their problems.

    Taking the family out to a movie is one of the most expensive outings to do nowadays. Years ago, over the summer you might go every two weeks over the summer. Now that's not affordable even if you want to do it.

    Yes this is also alongside people having gigantic TVs and fantastic sound along with really good furniture that's frequently better than the theater's. So while before you paid to see things on the 'big screen', now you can get that at home. Now you have to want the experience of the theater, the audience, and/or be so impatient to see things when only in theaters.

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  18. Stop trying to cover everything by AHuxley · · Score: 2

    If a movie has to sell in a Communist nation, make a separate movie that is within Communist party rules.
    Dont try and edit a movie for global release in free nations into something that can be sold in a Communist nation.
    Make two different movies for very different markets. Something the Communist government will accept.
    Something that will sell to the rest of the world who is not under Communist censorship.
    Edits and adding plots to please Communist governments is not going to please other audiences used to freedom of speech.

    Dont let great scripts and good casting get changed by the political demands of todays activist staff.
    Let the movie, setting and plot guide the cast and story not the radical changes demanded by todays activist politics.
    Find out what most American audiences want to pay to enjoy. If its faith, freedom, fun and Americana, try selling that to the USA and the world.
    Freedom, a good plot, a cast that fits the roles might just sell more than today's limited political newspeak.
    If an author and book have a set look and feel that sold well why mess up making a profit with radical and experimental casting changes and new roles?
    Dont let activist actors demand changes to plots that sell or are selling.
    Need new roles for actors who make constant political demands? Create and find new amazing scripts. See how well their ideas for political art sells.
    Audiences might embrace their new creative art rather than a sloppy, lazy political retrofitting of past classics?
    If an actor wants a role let them write a script, get funding and risk their own project for a role they feel will sell.
    Dont change a quality project for their political demands.

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  19. I am not surprised by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    These days Hollywood is churning out quantity over quality. I've found Netflix originals to be so much better than what the big movie studios are producing.

  20. Let's take a look at this year's "blockbusters" by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe the list can shed some light onto the problem. So we have:

    Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales
    Thor: Ragnarok
    Beauty and the Beast
    Justice League
    Logan
    Wonder Woman
    Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
    Star Wars: The Last Jedi
    Spider-Man: Homecoming
    King Arthur: Legend of the Sword
    The Fate of the Furious
    Dunkirk
    Kong: Skull Island
    Kingsman: The Golden Circle
    Transformers: The Last Knight
    Power Rangers ...

    And so on. Can you spot a theme here? Sequels, Prequels, new installations of a series, reboots... and to the cherry on top of the shitcake is that the movie about King Arthur is the one with the most original, non-derivative script.

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    1. Re:Let's take a look at this year's "blockbusters" by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      I fail to see the problem. Last year was a record for revenue. This year is only slightly less. I am really confused. Was $11 billion in revenue not enough?

    2. Re:Let's take a look at this year's "blockbusters" by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      and most of the sets are green.

    3. Re:Let's take a look at this year's "blockbusters" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The summary is poor, because it make it seem like the article is saying it was a bad year. The article states that the profits were great but ticket sales were down, because ticket prices are too high and there is too much competition with streaming. The author states that high ticket prices force consumers to be more picky on what movies they go to driving down ticket sales. That sounds like a reasonable take to me.

    4. Re:Let's take a look at this year's "blockbusters" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are two films that stand out in that list. The first is, as you noted, King Arthur: Legend of the Sword, which is neither a sequel, prequel, nor reboot. The second is Dunkirk, for which the same is true.

      Note that neither is, strictly, an original story, nor even original in film. King Arthur is based on legend, and Dunkirk on history, but the King Arthur legend has been the subject of various previous films, and Dunkirk of at least one, in 1958. But both films are adaptations of the original story, rather than of a previous film, so I won't hold that against them.

    5. Re:Let's take a look at this year's "blockbusters" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dunkirk's the only one that doesn't fit in the list.

      Wonder Woman and Kingsman: The Golden Circle were good (but the first Kingsman was even better).

    6. Re:Let's take a look at this year's "blockbusters" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fun fact!

      dunkirk was the only original movie in 2017. (ie not a remake, sequel etc...)

      one. one original movie.

      about ww2.... /facepalm

    7. Re:Let's take a look at this year's "blockbusters" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The one about king arthur"

      You mean transformers?

  21. Well, what keeps us out of the theaters... by rnturn · · Score: 2

    ... are the endless DC/Marvel comic book films, and bad sequels. Was there really a need for so many Vin Diesel street racing movies? Oh, and the needless reboots of previously successful films---many of which were also superhero comic book films (or TV series). All of these are crowding out other movies that people might like to see but can't because, of the 20 screens at the cineplex, at least half of them seem to be showing a sequel or reboot. Holding up each moviegoer who's already dropped $10 for a ticket for another $10 or so for a bag of popcorn and a soda doesn't help either. Waiting a few weeks and renting the DVD--or watching it online--with cheaper snacks and drinks makes a whole lot more sense nowadays. Plus... you get to see those movies that couldn't even get on a screen at the cineplex.

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    1. Re:Well, what keeps us out of the theaters... by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      The last Vin racing movie made $1.3 billion dollars. If I am a movie executive that indicates to me that I need to make more of those.

  22. The deafening sound volume in theaters. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One of many irritating aspects of going to a movie theater is the deafening sound volume. A fake way to simulate excitement.

    1. Re:The deafening sound volume in theaters. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I gave up going to the movies because of the sound levels.
      Anyone who has Tinitus knows how too much sound really gets to you.
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  23. Look to the left and right - smartphones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We recently attended opening weekend for Last Jedi at a standard no-reservation theater. To get a decent seat, we needed to get to the movie about an hour early. We would then have to sit through the commercial reels playing on a loop so that we get each commercial 3 times. As I looked around everyone had their smartphone out playing casual games or distracting themselves in some way taking attention away from the commercial torture. I let my kids use my phone to play games. At the "show time", that's when the standard 20 minutes of trailers start. Some of them are interesting and mildly entertaining, while a few were inappropriate for my tweens. We enjoyed the movie, but we really paid for it in time and attention and money.

    As we morph into a society of smartphone symbiotes, the shared experience isn't as meaningful anymore. The main reason we went was to negate the spoiling effect next week from everyone talking about the movie. We can otherwise wait for Redbox or Netflix or a less-crowded luxury theater experience.

  24. Re: I have a movie for u by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, it's the one with Steve Lawrence. He got desperate for roles in the last few years.

  25. Theaters Suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With the overpriced bullshit and the infuriating ads no wonder.

    If it was pleasant to go to the movies I'd do it all the time. It's not.

  26. What the NFL and Hollywood Have in Common by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Politically charged = decline in sales/ratings/etc.

    It doesn't matter which side you're on, people generally want to watch sports or movies to escape the hellhole known as reality, and constantly reminding people of reality, along with preaching certain beliefs, will generally piss the consumer off and drive them to something else that helps escape reality.

  27. what is the movie industry? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3

    Ticket sales are down 4%, but video streaming is up 60%. Does that mean it's a bad year for the "movie industry", or is it a bad year for the movie theater industry?

    I don't think we need to have any bake sales for Hollywood. And until they start taking away people's phones at the door, I'll continue to go to movie theaters less.

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    1. Re:what is the movie industry? by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      The past year, I've been looking mostly at older movies that I've never seen before. They weren't all perfect 5/7, but still more entertaining than most crap produced today.

      I've also noticed that the older movies take some more time to tell the story, instead of hurrying through 5 parallel subplots with 4-second edits.

    2. Re:what is the movie industry? by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      Ticket sales are down 4%, but video streaming is up 60%. Does that mean it's a bad year for the "movie industry", or is it a bad year for the movie theater industry?

      We already know the movie theater industry is on the decline due to competition from streaming services offering original content, shows AND movies. Network television viewership is on the decline too. In other news, water is wet.

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    3. Re:what is the movie industry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ticket sales are down 4%, but video streaming is up 60%. Does that mean it's a bad year for the "movie industry", or is it a bad year for the movie theater industry?

      I don't think we need to have any bake sales for Hollywood. And until they start taking away people's phones at the door, I'll continue to go to movie theaters less.

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  28. Netflix has nothing to do with this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use Netflix, sure.

    But, the reason why I don't go to the theaters is usually because:

    - oh it's a remake; don't care for these
    - oh it's a comic book movie; don't care for these

    These are problems with the industry, nothing to do with Netflix. I've never once said "I'm going to stay home and stream Netflix instead of watching this movie I want to see"

    Oh wait, does the industry think I'm some mindless consumer who only uses Netflix because I'm lazy? Nah it's because of that original non shit content. Well mostly non shit.

  29. How about a superhero film made by Disney? by Latent+Heat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How about a Disney superhero film that checks off each of your points labeled 1-4? Doesn't The Last Jedi satisfy each and every one of these requirements?

    1. Re:How about a superhero film made by Disney? by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Actual quite an interesting film the Last Jedi, a real demonstration of Hollywood ego in action. What went so wrong with that Movie, one person, one single individual projected themselves into the role or 'Mary Sue Rey' so not a starwars movie but a movie about Kathleen Kenneby's personal ego, not SJW at all. Simply one individual following the Peter Principle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... promoted to a point of failure. Here ego will likely long term cost Disney somewhere in the vicinity of 10 billion dollars, just because she projected herself into the role of Mary Sue Rey. They pushed a bean counter into a creative role and the bean counters ego took over. Short people are always problematic https://www.youtube.com/watch?..., teasing never helps anything.

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    2. Re:How about a superhero film made by Disney? by rhazz · · Score: 1

      I haven't seen it yet, but thanks for the spoiler. I never would have thought Luke would become a buffoon or villain.

    3. Re:How about a superhero film made by Disney? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought The Last Jedi was an incoherent mess, but it's nothing compared to your post.

  30. Familiar details by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The movie theater business is facing a problem similar to that of the NFL: It's getting much harder to compete with the in-home experience. The NFL is having attendance problems in some cities, and it's not surprising. That monetary cost of attending a game is high, especially when you include the absurdly high cost of parking and food, and the non-monetary costs, such as the time needed to attend a game, exposing yourself and your friends/family to drunks in the stands, etc. don't make the in-person experience any more attractive.

    I can sit on my couch and watch an incredible array of movies, documentaries, and, yes, even a sitcom or two, are very low marginal cost. Why endure the expenses of going to a theater when roughly half the time I won't like the movie?

    Studios can make better films, and theater chains can tweak their business model, but the bottom line is that it's damn tough to compete with a 65" 4K TV.

  31. It's just too expensive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The studios set the ticket prices, and they are way too high. That keeps people out of the theaters.

    Fix that, and watch attendance soar.

    It really is that simple, in this case.

  32. Slashdot Editors have OCD about movie theaters by zifn4b · · Score: 1

    Apparently. I lost count of how many articles have been posted about the same thing. It's not even news for nerds. We've already enumerate through the various reasons that movie ticket sales are down. Can't you post something new instead of some version of the same thing over and over again? WTH

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    1. Re:Slashdot Editors have OCD about movie theaters by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Can't you post something new instead of some version of the same thing over and over again? WTH

      Welcome to Slashdot! You must be new here.

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  33. Haven't been to movie in years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't go to movies for two reasons. One is their too expensive and I feel ripped off if the over hyped movie is a dud. When the trailer is the only good part of the movie. Second, I can typically wait a couple months to rent it at a quarter of the price and feel less ripped off if it sucks.

  34. Downsizing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I didn't check rotten tomatoes before I went. Waste of time and money. I feel sorry for Matt D. It looks like he really tried but nothing could save this flick. It didn't have an ending. Or a point...

  35. Ticket prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well they almost have record ticket sales in $ but number of tickets sold is where they were 22 years ago..

    Quite frankly, I hate going to movies anymore. I will just wait 3 months and buy the damn thing. Cheaper than a ticket+popcorn+drink.

  36. And number of movie sequels hits a 22-year high by Solandri · · Score: 1

    At the same time movie attendance has been falling, the number of movie sequels has been climbing, hitting an all-time high of 40 in 2017. Not saying the relationship is causal (correlation and all that), but Hollywood might want to consider that possibility before it blames it all on piracy or home streaming or some other thing that's not their own fault.

    1. Re:And number of movie sequels hits a 22-year high by Altrag · · Score: 1

      Good sequel's aren't really a problem. People often like sequels, especially if the characters were compelling and the original's story was set up to lead into a sequel. If you love something, its not surprising to want more of it. Where sequels become a problem is when they just shovel some shit at you after an original movie (that was never intended to have sequels) sells well and they're just cashing in because they can.

      Prequels are a bit of a mixed bag. They can go really good or really bad. Often prequels either revolve primarily around characters that weren't in the original movie (though they typically make a cameo to show that it really is a prequel,) which removes the whole "compelling character" angle that sequels can make use of. Or they revolve around the backstory of one or two of the original's characters but that means injecting the creator's vision of how the character got to be where they are that has a potential to conflict with the fan's thoughts about the character.

      Reboots can be OK, but they're pretty much always jarring as you have to completely give up whatever you thought about the characters and story from the original and try to convince your brain to start from scratch. For example, the jump from Tobey Maguire's Spiderman 3 to Andrew Garfield in The Amazing Spiderman.. was a hell of a hit if you were expecting the latter to be Spiderman 4. Hulk (Eric Bana) -> The Incredible Hulk (Edward Norton) was even worse, as the latter (from what I've read) was made primarily because Marvel didn't think the former fit into their new "cinematic universe" vision.. and then when Hulk shows up in the Avengers, he's played by a totally different guy again (Mark Ruffalo.) Talk about fan confusion!

      And finally we have remakes. These are usually the shittiest films on the market. Its very rare that a remake outdoes the original in anything other than the CGI, and that's only because our tech is better these days. Has there ever been a remake that did especially well? Well ok, lets limit it to say 80s or later (original) as there was a lot of films from the 20s and 30s that have been remade and did decent. I'm sure there's the occasional more modern example but I can't think of any off the top of my head.

  37. They fixed the seat problem by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    at least at the theaters in my neck of the woods. The seats are much more comfortable and you've got enough leg room to put your feet up. I suppose if you've got $1000+ recliners though you still might have an edge. Your other complaints are spot in, but there's something to be said about a night out.

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  38. Dr. Strange helped me apply myself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Thru the mystic arts we harness energy & shape reality - We travel great distances in an instant" https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HSzx-zryEgM#t=20/

    * Making it FASTER

    "The Avengers protect a world from physical dangers - we safeguard it against more mystical threats" https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kNdM7b1Lm04#t=31/

    * Making it SAFER

    (vs. inefficient remote DNS/Antivirus (riddled w/ security issues) or browser addons (sold out to not work by default ala adblock) for more security/speed/reliability via what you have natively vs. illogically "Bolting on 'MoAr'" that uses more & DOES LESS!)

    APK

    P.S.=> "How do I get from here to there?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kNdM7b1Lm04#t=107/

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    1. Re:Dr. Strange helped me apply myself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are strange

  39. What idiots think comic books are good source? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem is these idiotic comic book hero movies.

    Their fans have less money, no taste, no interest in new stories, and stunted intelligence.

    No wonder targeting them hasnt worked.

    1. Re:What idiots think comic books are good source? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is these idiotic comic book hero movies.

      Their fans have less money, no taste, no interest in new stories, and stunted intelligence.

      No wonder targeting them hasnt worked.

      You missed the part about comic book movies being the ones that make most of the money these days.

  40. Re: I have a movie for u by makerfixer · · Score: 1

    Wait, needs some changes and anyone who disagrees is a bigot and will be quickly fired. Mom should be caregiver and should have transitioned. The plot you suggest doesnâ(TM)t work so how about the caregiver attends a rally and is brutally abused by police, but the police work for a corporation... they then work with a helpful government regulatory agency that takes down the corporation which was actually a religious group run by a neo-nazi. Perfect, fixed it!

  41. Counting Domestic Tickets Sold Is Obsolete by careysub · · Score: 2

    In 1930 there were 4 billion movie tickets sold in the U.S., with a population of 123 million, or about 32 tickets per person. In 2017 only 1.26 billion tickets were sold, or about 4 tickets per person.

    Wow! The movie industry is in dire straits, 87 years of steep decline!

    This is ridiculous of course. The movie-related entertainment industry is radically different from 1930, with different pricing models for tickets, many revenue streams from each property (overseas revenue often topic domestic, DVD/Blu-Ray sales, merchandising, cable, streaming, etc). Today a movie may get "green lighted" without any expectation that it will make its costs in domestic theater runs, based on the other sources of revenue that will be generated.

    More than a decade ago studios stopped regarding DVDs as the enemy of theater revenue and began treating the theater release as a promo for DVD sales. Instead of leaving a long gap between theater run and the DVD release they brought them close together.

    Notice that despite this drop in ticket sales, revenues are up due to higher prices. They aren't just jacking up prices - there is a (continuing) transformation of the movie-going experience.

    I live in the Los Angeles area, so I am likely seeing the leading edge of this transformation -- but the major cinemaplexes here are providing much cushier and roomy seating with recliners and swinging tables, and assigned seating which you can buy on-line. You don't have to get to the theater early to get a good seat, or seats together, you have those seats guaranteed any time you show up. Theaters have also upgraded their food, offering a bar and a menu you can order from, having the food brought straight to your seat. More expensive, but a much nicer experience.

    With everyone having a large 2K or 4K TV, and fancy audio if they want, and upsampling DVD players and Bluray, and now streaming options, unless a movie is some sort of "must see" cultural event, there is little motivation to spend extra bucks to go to the theater -- unless you want that luxurious premium entertainment experience.

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  42. LOL! You COULD say that per... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: ... the after credits @ end of Dr. Strange on DVD or in theater "I keep a watchlist individuals & beings from from other realms that may be a threat to this world " via APK Hosts File Engine 10++ SR-1 32/64-bit https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=%22APK+Hosts+File+Engine%22+and+%22start64%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1/

    * ... as the 'sorceror supreme' in his NY sanctum (ala Beyonce's tune) so-to-speak & as "The Lord of Hosts (also 'so-to-speak')...

    APK

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  43. Small wonder by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    It‘s dead, Jim.

  44. Re:TFA: "Global market is profitable - and expandi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're targeting Asian audiences and competing with Bollywood, where it is pretty typical to see serial-style films with the same characters and plot lines over and over.

    ? Bollywood almost never had sequels until the early 2000s. Hollywood bought up most of the popular Indian film studios; except for than language spoken (understand both quite well), I now have a hard time telling most commercial bollywood films apart from western movies.

  45. Addendum & in another way you could too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & quoting the 'ancient one' from the same film: "I prevented countless terrible futures & after each one there's always another (malware etc.) you wonder what I see in your future? You have such a capacity for goodness, you always excelled, but not because you crave success but because of your fear of failure. It's precisely what kept you from greatness. Arrogance & fear keep you from learning the most significant lesson of all: It's not about YOU!" & that IS what my hosts engine is, ALL about. That 'greater good' pay it forward...

    * ... & I'm always "conjuring 'illegal gateways' into the LIBRARY of /." too, lol (always have on any forum).

    APK

    P.S.=> Lastly vs. "GoogleMammu" (/.) - you can downmod me all day (many trolls do) but I can lose, again & again, trapping you in a timeloop w/ me making abusive downmodders MY PRISONERS (& I win in the end reposting making my posts visible once more + I run them outta their 1 'spell' - the effete ineffectual abused downmod)... apk

  46. Re: I have a movie for u by dougTheRug · · Score: 1

    I need you to fix a few APK posts...

  47. Tckets are way too expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I could just about stomach spending 5 quid on a cinema ticket.
    But today it's so expensive. I'd rather buy wait and buy the 3D bluray and have the option to watch in 2D or 3D and be able to pause FF Rewind at my pleasure.
    I guess cinema is ok if you go with some mates, but its a night mare going as a family.

    That said we have an excellent local cinema run by enthusiasts that is very reasonable price wise.

  48. No surprises about "Alien: Covenant" by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

    I was not expecting anything remotely close in quality to "Alien" or "Aliens", but I was also not expecting such a ridiculously pathetic movie. What a turd it is.

  49. 2017 movie quality hits 22 year low by gravewax · · Score: 1

    "2017 movie quality hits 22 year low" fixed that for ya, the editing of these submissions is atrocious

  50. Original content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Superhero franchises might be nice for shareholders, but I don't care. I liked Star Wars when I was a kid, but the franchise finished with a nice bow wrapped many years ago. All since is derivative. Its like what Peter Jackson did with The Hobbit. I can see him not wanting to make one film from three Lord Of The Rings books, but what possessed him to make one Hobbit book into three Hobbit Movies??? Its all so very watered down. Its like it used to be a tasty drink, but now you have to gulp and gulp and hardly get any taste. 20 years ago, it was widely known that any movie with a number following it was a watered down version of something. Shareholders wanting to cash in on something for nothing. And now we have "Superhero Franchise" movies. And people have seen all the tricks before. And the plot is paper thin and watered down. And I don't want to spend money on paper thin watered down. And the film industry is worried because people aren't going? Maybe make something worthwhile, new, entertaining and original, for the first time in 5-10 years. Call me after you do (not before).

  51. A better experience at home by LucasBC · · Score: 1

    The main reason we don't go to theatres much anymore is that we've created a a better experience at home. Eight-foot wide screen, four recliners, a completely darkened room with no windows, and the ability to control the entire presentation on our schedule. We simply wait until they come out on Blu-Ray. The few occasions where we go to the theatre are either because (a) we got free or discounted tickets, or (b) the desire to see it sooner. For example we saw "The Man Who Invented Christmas" (to see it during the holiday season) and "The Last Jedi" (to avoid having the surprises spoiled). In both situations, we had to put up with people texting throughout the movies. Fuck people, PUT YOUR DAMN PHONES AWAY!

    1. Re:A better experience at home by yes-but-no · · Score: 1

      If you gonna be pissed with other people's behavior just seal that door also since the windows are already taken care of. tomb will be a better option as well.

  52. Re:Trolling is fun, ain't it? by Kopp · · Score: 1

    Art films are making a ton of money ? I seriously doubt it ahah

  53. So...no actual dip, then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right. The number of tickets sold is a bit lower. But the revenue is almost at another record level.

    So...people are in total spending about as much as before.

    I guess the movie industry will not be happy until we all spend 100% of our disposable income, assuming we have any in the first place.

    Fantasy economics...

  54. nothing out there worth watching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Except for the zillionth reboot, remake oder continuation.

  55. Why go to the movies when by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a 65" tv at my house, and can BUY the movie, plus snacks and drinks for less than it costs to go into a theatre where I have to watch 20 minutes of commercials and have idiots light the whole movie theatre up with their incessant TwitFacing or VineSnapping.

  56. Stop lying retard APK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop lying Alexander Peter Kowalski you fucking retard.
    Your work hasn't prevented anything.
    It is only updated after an attack has been discovered.
    Besides you don't even do the hard work, only use the hard work of others.
    Then you make dumb claims like:
    China copied you, they didn't, what you do is simplistic, obvious, and ineffective
    Hosts stops inbound connections, it can't
    That people recommend your work, one may have in 1995 but I have yet to see you produce a recent valid recommendation of your work form a real security expert.
    I can go on but I could have a better discussion with a jar of mayonnaise.
    Also you really should seek medical help as you seem to believe that you live in movies far too often and that they are reality.
    Now why don't you go rub one out to the latest Trump tweet or article on InfoWars.

  57. I know, right by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    that's your job.

    Seriously, you do realize that with the exception of the new Star Wars just about all the heros today are white males? Also, why would seeing a white female or a black male hero make your kid ashamed of himself? They're all human beings, ya know...

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  58. My work consolidates what prevents much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My work consolidates what prevents many threats online thus making it effective & my work's better vs. anything you do yourself in a program which = zero from you!

    Hosts stopping botnet clientside requests outbound to C&C stops inbound data from C&C to said client stupid!

    10 security & web pros say hosts = good security https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11532533&cid=55815881/ & https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11532533&cid=55815915/

    China did copy me http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/26/boffins_supercharge_the_hosts_file_to_save_users_plagued_by_dns_outages/ & local resolution = faster vs. remote DNS + protects vs. DNS down or redirect poisoned (& other dns security issues) stupid!

    APK

    P.S.=> After the above EAT YOUR WORDS loser... apk

  59. Ticket Sales Hit by cricwcl2015 · · Score: 1

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  60. never thought I'd say this: movies stink by NikeHerc · · Score: 1

    Years ago I was the world's biggest fan of movies. I was an early adopter of the VCR to record movies, then I was an early adopter of the DVR to record movies. I subscribed to all the premium movie channels. Then everyone between hollyweird (the creator) and me (the consumer) began to get greedy. The ability of movies to entertain me and to make me suspend disbelief went from pretty good to pretty crappy. Greed caused the implementation of the do-not-copy flag on movies over cable and lobbyists paid off congress so that newer DVRs would obey the do-not-copy flag.

    These days movies are remakes, comics, brutally violent, stupid, insipid, or all of the above. Adios, movies, and good riddance.

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