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Movie Ticket Sales Hit A 22-Year Low in 2017 (msn.com)
An anonymous reader quotes the Los Angeles Times:
Hollywood is celebrating the end of 2017 with astronomical sales from "Star Wars: The Last Jedi," which is on track to soon exceed $1 billion in global ticket sales and eventually become the biggest movie of the year. But that won't be enough to write a happy storyline for the industry. Although movie ticket sales in the U.S. and Canada are expected to dip just below last year's record of $11.38 billion, the number of tickets sold is projected to drop 4% to 1.26 billion -- the lowest level since 1995, according to preliminary estimates from studio executives.
The falloff in ticket sales can mostly be explained by a handful of movies that flopped, especially during the dreary summer season that posted the worst results in more than two decades. Even such massive hits as "Wonder Woman," "Thor: Ragnarok" and "It" couldn't make up for a lackluster summer lineup populated by rickety franchises ("Alien: Covenant") and poorly reviewed retreads ("The Mummy"). However, the long-term decline in attendance reflects systemic challenges facing the industry. Audiences are spending less time going to the movies and are consuming more entertainment on small screens and through streaming services such as Netflix and Amazon that are spending billions on original video content. At the same time, while higher ticket prices have helped to offset attendance declines, they have made consumers pickier about what movies they're willing to go see. And those increasingly discerning consumers turn to social media and Rotten Tomatoes to decide what's worth their time and money.
The falloff in ticket sales can mostly be explained by a handful of movies that flopped, especially during the dreary summer season that posted the worst results in more than two decades. Even such massive hits as "Wonder Woman," "Thor: Ragnarok" and "It" couldn't make up for a lackluster summer lineup populated by rickety franchises ("Alien: Covenant") and poorly reviewed retreads ("The Mummy"). However, the long-term decline in attendance reflects systemic challenges facing the industry. Audiences are spending less time going to the movies and are consuming more entertainment on small screens and through streaming services such as Netflix and Amazon that are spending billions on original video content. At the same time, while higher ticket prices have helped to offset attendance declines, they have made consumers pickier about what movies they're willing to go see. And those increasingly discerning consumers turn to social media and Rotten Tomatoes to decide what's worth their time and money.
I can't understand why superhero movies are so popular? Who, over 12 years old, is going to see them? They come out with a new one every 3 months and they all look identical to me. They also make a ton of money, so they will continue make them. I only see art films myself.
Theaters, Studios and Distributors need to look at how movies are priced and sold vs their competition. Netflix, Amazon, etc. are using a subscription model to generate the revenue they need to produce and provide content. MoviePass is trying to do the same but is being resists by theaters despite getting paid the same. As consumers get more accepting of the subscription model paying to go to the movies may become even less a choice. Of course, Netflix's cost structure is much different than theaters who have high fixed costs in running a B&M operation. In addition, the profit model for studios runs counter to a subscription model, since studios use blockbusters to cover all of their costs. If a subscription model eliminates large blockbuster gates they could very well lose that revenue if a significant percentage of their viewer base has a subscription, which means the revenue is fixed and spread over several movies so there is no marginal revenue from blockbusters.
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I've got a 42" TV and it's not even that big by American standards. I've got video games that border on photo realistic (uncanny valley not withstanding). I've got Netflix, YouTube and a video camera built into my $200 cell phone if I want to make my own movies. I don't need them anymore.
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Why would I spend twenty dollars to sit next to an asshole teenager who is texting the whole time. Or some jackass who brought a three year old to an r rated film. After watching twenty minutes of commercials and spoiler trailers, having my ears blasted out... And while being able to hear the movie playing next door even in quiet moments of my movie. Because louder is better? Why? I can't move seats to get away from jerks because seats are assigned now. I have to kick people out of my seat quite often because people sit in my assigned seat. The quality of food and drink continually declines, the kitchens are often filthy messes, theatres do not even provide unsweetened tea anymore, the workers seem suicidally depressed, and the remaining customers often seem like self entitled rich jackasses who are not there to see a film, but to be waited on and catered to. Why would I want to go anymore? My best experiences were in the second run theatre tbh. Don't know what had happened but it's.profoundly unpleasant nowdays to go to films.
Once you could get porn over the Internet, no one went to those movies any more. As streaming movies becomes more capable, you are slowly going to kill the theater experience. Who needs to go to a theater to see a massive wide screen, when you already have one at home?
I know, it's piracy right ? Not the fact that nowadays they make a long-play film out of a "story" that wouldn't even be considered as a side-plot for a Star Trek episode a few decade ago. Where actors are cast based on looks only, talent is irrelevant. When movie studios are basically banks, going for proven ROI's only, taking zero risk, killing and burying all remaining talent. Where now almost everything is a reboot or spinoff of a brand name made a few decades ago and marketed and hyped to death. Adding ZERO value, often simply demeaning to the original. And even when they try real hard, everything is pushed and shoved and even in their best efforts the end result simply lacks finesse. Where the whole SciFi genre is now reduced to Xmen bullshit and yet even more action packed garbage with simply no plot, no insights, nothing, just terrible cgi action scenes, and cheesy dialog. Where everything is tailored to one age category and the common denominator where all of the audience is considered to be brain dead morons and potheads.
Hollywood doesn't make movies for the United States. They're targeting Asian audiences and competing with Bollywood, where it is pretty typical to see serial-style films with the same characters and plot lines over and over. Not to say that doesn't happen in the US and western film (Bond, Star Trek, Star Wars, etc), but it is on a whole new level.
The difference is that the US produces spectacles using a lot of technology. Bollywood produces spectacles using a lot of people.
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The problem is the theaters, not the movies. Theaters are an awful way to experience a movie. There are:
Stinks
Excess Noise
Uncomfortable seats
Garbage
Gum
Spit food
Obnoxious people
Strangers
No pause button
No skip button for previews we don't want
No rewind button for things we want to see or hear again
Inconvenient locked in times of day
Have to travel to the theater
High prices for theater
High prices for snacks and not allowed to bring our own better ones
For the cost of one theater ticket I can buy several movies that our entire family can enjoy and even watch again later if we want.
Theaters are a very poor solution.
I recently wen to a chain cinema instead of the independent one near my house. We were treated like cattle, given assigned seats (!?), and had to endure advertisements on the screen before the movie. I don't mind a printed add in a slideshow of movie trivia to show your stub for a free dessert at a nearby restaurant or something like that. These were like TV commercials with sound so loud you could not talk to your friends that lasted a minute or more with no redeeming content between them. Even if the movie had been really good the entire experience would be tainted.
With Netflix, Hulu, Amazon streaming, etc. you can wait and watch it at home cheaper. The reason to go to the movies is the experience. Improve the experience and people will come. Treat people like cattle and they will stay away. Our local cinema has a bar attached, real butter on the popcorn, and only shows previews before the movie. They actively try to create a community by showing classics at midnight on weekends, hosting movie trivia contests, and showing locally produced movies including a Q&A with the makers. They participate in film festivals. It isn't that hard.
By number of tickets sold, it's terrible, yet by revenue it's nearly a record. This means the per seat price to go to a movie is astronomical, which feeds into their problems.
Taking the family out to a movie is one of the most expensive outings to do nowadays. Years ago, over the summer you might go every two weeks over the summer. Now that's not affordable even if you want to do it.
Yes this is also alongside people having gigantic TVs and fantastic sound along with really good furniture that's frequently better than the theater's. So while before you paid to see things on the 'big screen', now you can get that at home. Now you have to want the experience of the theater, the audience, and/or be so impatient to see things when only in theaters.
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If a movie has to sell in a Communist nation, make a separate movie that is within Communist party rules.
Dont try and edit a movie for global release in free nations into something that can be sold in a Communist nation.
Make two different movies for very different markets. Something the Communist government will accept.
Something that will sell to the rest of the world who is not under Communist censorship.
Edits and adding plots to please Communist governments is not going to please other audiences used to freedom of speech.
Dont let great scripts and good casting get changed by the political demands of todays activist staff.
Let the movie, setting and plot guide the cast and story not the radical changes demanded by todays activist politics.
Find out what most American audiences want to pay to enjoy. If its faith, freedom, fun and Americana, try selling that to the USA and the world.
Freedom, a good plot, a cast that fits the roles might just sell more than today's limited political newspeak.
If an author and book have a set look and feel that sold well why mess up making a profit with radical and experimental casting changes and new roles?
Dont let activist actors demand changes to plots that sell or are selling.
Need new roles for actors who make constant political demands? Create and find new amazing scripts. See how well their ideas for political art sells.
Audiences might embrace their new creative art rather than a sloppy, lazy political retrofitting of past classics?
If an actor wants a role let them write a script, get funding and risk their own project for a role they feel will sell.
Dont change a quality project for their political demands.
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These days Hollywood is churning out quantity over quality. I've found Netflix originals to be so much better than what the big movie studios are producing.
Maybe the list can shed some light onto the problem. So we have:
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales ...
Thor: Ragnarok
Beauty and the Beast
Justice League
Logan
Wonder Woman
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
Star Wars: The Last Jedi
Spider-Man: Homecoming
King Arthur: Legend of the Sword
The Fate of the Furious
Dunkirk
Kong: Skull Island
Kingsman: The Golden Circle
Transformers: The Last Knight
Power Rangers
And so on. Can you spot a theme here? Sequels, Prequels, new installations of a series, reboots... and to the cherry on top of the shitcake is that the movie about King Arthur is the one with the most original, non-derivative script.
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I guess that could be it, but are the current superhero movies anything like the superhero comic books from the 1960s-1970s? It seems to me they would be destroying your nostalgia.
... are the endless DC/Marvel comic book films, and bad sequels. Was there really a need for so many Vin Diesel street racing movies? Oh, and the needless reboots of previously successful films---many of which were also superhero comic book films (or TV series). All of these are crowding out other movies that people might like to see but can't because, of the 20 screens at the cineplex, at least half of them seem to be showing a sequel or reboot. Holding up each moviegoer who's already dropped $10 for a ticket for another $10 or so for a bag of popcorn and a soda doesn't help either. Waiting a few weeks and renting the DVD--or watching it online--with cheaper snacks and drinks makes a whole lot more sense nowadays. Plus... you get to see those movies that couldn't even get on a screen at the cineplex.
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Politically charged = decline in sales/ratings/etc.
It doesn't matter which side you're on, people generally want to watch sports or movies to escape the hellhole known as reality, and constantly reminding people of reality, along with preaching certain beliefs, will generally piss the consumer off and drive them to something else that helps escape reality.
Ticket sales are down 4%, but video streaming is up 60%. Does that mean it's a bad year for the "movie industry", or is it a bad year for the movie theater industry?
I don't think we need to have any bake sales for Hollywood. And until they start taking away people's phones at the door, I'll continue to go to movie theaters less.
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How about a Disney superhero film that checks off each of your points labeled 1-4? Doesn't The Last Jedi satisfy each and every one of these requirements?
Apparently. I lost count of how many articles have been posted about the same thing. It's not even news for nerds. We've already enumerate through the various reasons that movie ticket sales are down. Can't you post something new instead of some version of the same thing over and over again? WTH
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Therefore Blu-Ray or Netflix/YouTube streaming in your home studio instead. No surprise that people don't go to the theater anymore.
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At the same time movie attendance has been falling, the number of movie sequels has been climbing, hitting an all-time high of 40 in 2017. Not saying the relationship is causal (correlation and all that), but Hollywood might want to consider that possibility before it blames it all on piracy or home streaming or some other thing that's not their own fault.
at least at the theaters in my neck of the woods. The seats are much more comfortable and you've got enough leg room to put your feet up. I suppose if you've got $1000+ recliners though you still might have an edge. Your other complaints are spot in, but there's something to be said about a night out.
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Wait, needs some changes and anyone who disagrees is a bigot and will be quickly fired. Mom should be caregiver and should have transitioned. The plot you suggest doesnâ(TM)t work so how about the caregiver attends a rally and is brutally abused by police, but the police work for a corporation... they then work with a helpful government regulatory agency that takes down the corporation which was actually a religious group run by a neo-nazi. Perfect, fixed it!
In 1930 there were 4 billion movie tickets sold in the U.S., with a population of 123 million, or about 32 tickets per person. In 2017 only 1.26 billion tickets were sold, or about 4 tickets per person.
Wow! The movie industry is in dire straits, 87 years of steep decline!
This is ridiculous of course. The movie-related entertainment industry is radically different from 1930, with different pricing models for tickets, many revenue streams from each property (overseas revenue often topic domestic, DVD/Blu-Ray sales, merchandising, cable, streaming, etc). Today a movie may get "green lighted" without any expectation that it will make its costs in domestic theater runs, based on the other sources of revenue that will be generated.
More than a decade ago studios stopped regarding DVDs as the enemy of theater revenue and began treating the theater release as a promo for DVD sales. Instead of leaving a long gap between theater run and the DVD release they brought them close together.
Notice that despite this drop in ticket sales, revenues are up due to higher prices. They aren't just jacking up prices - there is a (continuing) transformation of the movie-going experience.
I live in the Los Angeles area, so I am likely seeing the leading edge of this transformation -- but the major cinemaplexes here are providing much cushier and roomy seating with recliners and swinging tables, and assigned seating which you can buy on-line. You don't have to get to the theater early to get a good seat, or seats together, you have those seats guaranteed any time you show up. Theaters have also upgraded their food, offering a bar and a menu you can order from, having the food brought straight to your seat. More expensive, but a much nicer experience.
With everyone having a large 2K or 4K TV, and fancy audio if they want, and upsampling DVD players and Bluray, and now streaming options, unless a movie is some sort of "must see" cultural event, there is little motivation to spend extra bucks to go to the theater -- unless you want that luxurious premium entertainment experience.
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I was not expecting anything remotely close in quality to "Alien" or "Aliens", but I was also not expecting such a ridiculously pathetic movie. What a turd it is.
"2017 movie quality hits 22 year low" fixed that for ya, the editing of these submissions is atrocious
The main reason we don't go to theatres much anymore is that we've created a a better experience at home. Eight-foot wide screen, four recliners, a completely darkened room with no windows, and the ability to control the entire presentation on our schedule. We simply wait until they come out on Blu-Ray. The few occasions where we go to the theatre are either because (a) we got free or discounted tickets, or (b) the desire to see it sooner. For example we saw "The Man Who Invented Christmas" (to see it during the holiday season) and "The Last Jedi" (to avoid having the surprises spoiled). In both situations, we had to put up with people texting throughout the movies. Fuck people, PUT YOUR DAMN PHONES AWAY!
Art films are making a ton of money ? I seriously doubt it ahah
that's your job.
Seriously, you do realize that with the exception of the new Star Wars just about all the heros today are white males? Also, why would seeing a white female or a black male hero make your kid ashamed of himself? They're all human beings, ya know...
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Years ago I was the world's biggest fan of movies. I was an early adopter of the VCR to record movies, then I was an early adopter of the DVR to record movies. I subscribed to all the premium movie channels. Then everyone between hollyweird (the creator) and me (the consumer) began to get greedy. The ability of movies to entertain me and to make me suspend disbelief went from pretty good to pretty crappy. Greed caused the implementation of the do-not-copy flag on movies over cable and lobbyists paid off congress so that newer DVRs would obey the do-not-copy flag.
These days movies are remakes, comics, brutally violent, stupid, insipid, or all of the above. Adios, movies, and good riddance.
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