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Toutiao, One of China's Most Popular News Apps, is Discovering the Risks Involved in Giving People Exactly What They Want Online (nytimes.com)

The New York Times reports: One of the world's most valuable start-ups got that way by using artificial intelligence to satisfy Chinese internet users' voracious appetite for news and entertainment. Every day, its smartphone app feeds 120 million people personalized streams of buzzy news stories, videos of dogs frolicking in snow, GIFs of traffic mishaps and listicles such as "The World's Ugliest Celebrities." Now the company is discovering the risks involved, under China's censorship regime, in giving the people exactly what they want. The makers of the popular news app Jinri Toutiao unveiled moves this week to allay rising concerns from the authorities (Editor's note: the link may be paywalled; alternative source).

Last week, the Beijing bureau of China's top internet regulator accused Toutiao of "spreading pornographic and vulgar information" and "causing a negative impact on public opinion online," and ordered that updates to several popular sections of the app be halted for 24 hours. In response, the app's parent company, Beijing Bytedance Technology, took down or temporarily suspended the accounts of more than 1,100 bloggers that it said had been publishing "low-quality content" on the app. It also replaced Toutiao's "Society" section with a new section called "New Era," which is heavy on state media coverage of government decisions.

29 comments

  1. It's important to realize that this is true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From a "Winston" point of view: the authorities are putting a lid on negative public opinion. If they can't talk about it, it doesn't exist.

    1. Re:It's important to realize that this is true by Ritz_Just_Ritz · · Score: 1

      This is the essence of a shame based society rather than a guilt based society. If you can't see it or talk about it, it never happened.

    2. Re:It's important to realize that this is true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...except real life and talking exist, do people no longer do that because of phones? Sad...

  2. tragic humor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1,100 bloggers that it said had been publishing "low-quality content" on the app.

    You must realize that they are equating porn/critical discourse as equivalent to spam. This is fairly similar to the idea that sinful thoughts (such as homosexuality) are just the devil trying to trick you, and a test of your commitment to what is "right". This is dangerous and stupid thinking, but to hear them use such a phrase is almost comical if it weren't actually happening.

    1. Re:tragic humor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is hands across the ocean stuff.

      The Chinese are just as fucking retarded as western people when it comes to clicking on moronic click-bait with dramatic names.

      Cherish this moment.

    2. Re:tragic humor by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 0

      1,100 bloggers that it said had been publishing "low-quality content" on the app.

      You must realize that they are equating porn/critical discourse as equivalent to spam. This is fairly similar to the idea that sinful thoughts (such as homosexuality) are just the devil trying to trick you, and a test of your commitment to what is "right". This is dangerous and stupid thinking, but to hear them use such a phrase is almost comical if it weren't actually happening.

      You are perhaps new to China? They are communist totalitarians, and this is what they do. This is what we crazy old anti-communists were talking about all those years ago.

      In other news, Facebook and Google say that they are going to protect us from other unapproved thoughts; they are just different unapproved thoughts then those that China is worried about. And lots of people are all for that.

  3. Enlightment needs to sting a little. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    In general the problem with the Internet as a news source medium. Is that we are fed information that for the most part we really want to hear.
    Depending on the sources our side is always winning or the other side is just comically failing. Or we will just avoid any painful information at all and just fluff.
     

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  4. Please, we need more government involved! by ScentCone · · Score: 0

    The best answer is always more government. Perhaps something like the Fairness Doctrine, so that panels of government appointees can wield power over the exact weight that each opinion and story is given. The US would be a much better place if there were only a ministry of truth, and black masked volunteer Antifa enforcers with baseball bats to clarify the right way for young people to think, or else. We'd be so much happier if only those people we don't like were silenced. If only someone with government power could tell us which people should be allowed to speak or gather on state-run college campuses, we'd be so much more free.

    The Chinese are so wise. We should follow their example, as so many forward-thinking college administrators are now doing.

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    1. Re:Please, we need more government involved! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps something like the Fairness Doctrine, so that panels of government appointees can wield power over the exact weight that each opinion and story is given.

      The thing is, the Fairness Doctrine makes as much sense as deciding how much nudity, sex, violence, etc can be broadcast over limited airways. That is to say, with the internet, I don't give much of a fuck about it. I care if they censor the internet, cable, books, etc which aren't so limited and for which there is no need to have government enforced high signal to noise ratio.

      The US would be a much better place if there were only a ministry of truth, and black masked volunteer Antifa enforcers with baseball bats to clarify the right way for young people to think, or else.

      Whether it's white capped KKK or black masked Antifa, vigilante violence is despicable and intolerable.

      We'd be so much happier if only those people we don't like were silenced. If only someone with government power could tell us which people should be allowed to speak or gather on state-run college campuses, we'd be so much more free.

      Don't worry. Plenty of people have chosen to use Facebook as their personal echo chamber where they demand Facebook do all the things they wish. Except the college campuses thing, but it's not like most people are going to college (and those that did aren't now)*.

      The Chinese are so wise. We should follow their example, as so many forward-thinking college administrators are now doing.

      Having thankfully not been to a college in ages, is it really the college administration pushing this? Is it as wide-spread as you claim? Or is it that a minority of the student population is bullying people, even committing violence, and the college administration is too cowardly to offer protection? Because that speaks more about being pathetically PC than any sort of authoritarianism.

      * Do I point out how it's ironic that for the longest of times, the right-wing mocked protests on campus and now they're upset that the right-wing can't protest on campus? I'd imagine it has something to do with the right-wing believing they were the establishment and those who protest had no real power, so it was fun to mock them. With a real fear those who protest might have power, even if it's limited to a college campus, they want to run their own protests. Of course, the other ironic part is the left-wing taking up the same bullying behavior that would scare off right-wing protests. So, I guess each side learned the wrong lesson from the other.

    2. Re:Please, we need more government involved! by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      Having thankfully not been to a college in ages, is it really the college administration pushing this? Is it as wide-spread as you claim?

      Having attended a HBC about 20 years ago, and can attest that is was the administration allowing it then. I actually filed racism complaints and was told that there was nothing that could be done, because that particular professor had marched with Martin Luther King.

      * Do I point out how it's ironic that for the longest of times, the right-wing mocked protests on campus and now they're upset that the right-wing can't protest on campus?

      There's a difference between mocking a protest and showing up with black masks and baseball bats to assault people.
      There's also a difference between a "protests" that is in reality a mob destroying property, and an invited guest speaking at a podium to a seated and unruly crowd.

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    3. Re:Please, we need more government involved! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As opposed to driving a car into a crown of folks with whom you disagree. That's really prefectly all right, as long as you are alt right.

    4. Re:Please, we need more government involved! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having attended a HBC about 20 years ago, and can attest that is was the administration allowing it then. I actually filed racism complaints and was told that there was nothing that could be done, because that particular professor had marched with Martin Luther King.

      Racism != engaging in mob violence. I was specifically asking about the acts or threats of mob violence and a complicit college administration. If your issue is that your college didn't fire a racist, that's a valid complaint because clearly that would, but it's not really the topic at hand. Unless, of course, your statement is about the above which isn't about racism per se.

      There's a difference between mocking a protest and showing up with black masks and baseball bats to assault people.

      You must have missed the rest of my comment which was pointing out the irony that this was no better than the actions of the clan in the past. Like I said, each side learned the worst from the other side: the right-wing whining a lot about their own personal bullshit and the left-wing turning into fascists. So, now you have whiners and fascists on both sides. Don't you find it ironic that when a person mocks peaceful protests gets beaten up because said peaceful protesters finally decided to stop being so peaceful?

      PS - Of course, I'm opposed to that sort of violence precisely because all it ends up being is mob clan wars and does nothing to address issues. It also means people who want to commit violence will join your group and take every opportunity to act out their fantasies. It's just a shitty situation to be in to promote that sort of thing.

  5. How do we remove Authoritarians from our society? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously. How do we do it?

    I think that's the number one question for Humanity over the next 500 years. It's now or never.

  6. I get how geeks didn't see this coming by jader3rd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I remember how the first people using the internet talked about how great it was in spreading good information, and how this was going to elevate society. The first generation of people using the internet had to work at it, to get it to work. As a result there was a quality there. It's understandable that they saw this being the future state for the internet as well; and didn't see that the average person is going to be wanting to consume echo chamber, low quality noise.

    1. Re:I get how geeks didn't see this coming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      didn't see that the average person is going to be wanting to consume echo chamber, low quality noise.

      I take it you've never seen the tabloid rack at any given supermarket. That's pretty indicative of what the average person wants, and boy howdy has the internet delivered on that part. Hell, even in the 1.0 days there were plenty of banal sites dedicated to pap and faff, the difference was that you usually had to navigate to it via links on pages you already knew to find. Then Google happened and people were able to locate the pap and faff with minimal effort while the surfing ways of old died off.

      Hell, does anyone remember the "favorites" page people would put on their sites?

    2. Re:I get how geeks didn't see this coming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      we're not that imaginative; even genius, has its limits.

  7. F China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And Russia.

  8. Re:How do we remove Authoritarians from our societ by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

    Seriously. How do we do it?

    I think that's the number one question for Humanity over the next 500 years. It's now or never.

    So is it actually now, never, or in the next 500 years?

  9. So the risk is that the government...? by iampiti · · Score: 2

    So the risk is that the government doesn't like what people want? I think I can see the problem here and it isn't Toutiao.
    On another order of things... Yes, the algorithms are getting very good at giving us what we want but the risk is to live in a bubble that leaves out opinions we don't like and important things that are unlike we read before.
    Also, I've realised that constant usage of social media has left me unable to cope with even short moments of doing nothing. My brain craves novelty non stop.

  10. I'm OK w/ Gov't Conflating Frolicking Dogs & P by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 2

    It's the NY Times giving credibility to the non-word "listicle" that I find most disturbing...

  11. Re:How do we remove Authoritarians from our societ by Shotgun · · Score: 1

    Vote libertarian.
    Not that it will ever happen, but the common thread among them is to quit trying to be everybody's parents (Democrats are overly motherly, while Republicans are overly fatherly.)

    Unfortunately, politics and power in general tends to attract people seeking control, i.e. authoritarians.

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  12. Re:How do we remove Authoritarians from our societ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a mental illness.

    Unfortunately, like the fungus that infects ant brains and causes them to climb to the tops of plants where they'll be easy prey for birds and thus spread the fungus, the mental illness that is authoritarianism (basically, a desire to run other people's lives) causes the victims to seek out positions of power over others and change societal rules to make it easier to spread.

    We don't have 500 years. We'll be lucky if we get 50.

  13. No it is not. by nospam007 · · Score: 2

    "Editor's note: the link may be paywalled"

    The article is not paywalled. YOUR browser cookie just counted the allowed articles.
    Since it is _your_ computer and _your_ cookie, just delete the cookie and there's no paywall.

  14. Re:How do we remove Authoritarians from our societ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously. How do we do it?

    Start voting against it, politically and economically. And socially (i.e. try to persuade others that Stalin and Hitler didn't really perfect the ideals of governance).

    Some people might think the 2016 presidential election was a good sign (radical authoritarianism only got 95% of the vote instead of the usual 99%) but don't be fooled. That only happened because Democrats and Republicans had a bet, about who could have the worst candidate. We aren't really making any gains, yet.

  15. Frolicking Dogs AND Vulgar Information?! by Greyfox · · Score: 2

    Shit, why are you guys messing around in China? The USA wants what you have to offer!

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    1. Re:Frolicking Dogs AND Vulgar Information?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shit, why are you guys messing around in China? The USA wants what you have to offer!

      That's what I already get from the garbage Google News app.

  16. Re:How do we remove Authoritarians from our societ by Gavagai80 · · Score: 2

    Most of us want a civilized society with services -- so if you're in a federal country, let's simply shift the parenting down a level. Elect libertarians at the national level and socialists at the state level. That way you've got all the services you want, but you've also got oversight with the national government acting as a watchdog passing laws that stop surveillance and propaganda and other abuses of citizens by their states.

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  17. You're not as cute as you think you are. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clearly, the OP is saying that it's during this 500 year period, or never. Asshat.

  18. Why must the government do everything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't understand why you think you need a government to implement services that people want or need.

    That's the whole point of a Free Market: To find out what people want and need, and to provide those things in a way that is profitable (read: in a way that is sustainable). People often think they want/need something that they do not or should not, and yet ignore or completely miss those things that they should; a Free Market is not bothered by these idiosyncrasies, but vote-grabbing governments certainly are confused by them.