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Lindows Resurrected! Freespire 3.0 and Linspire 7.0 Linux Distros Now Available (betanews.com)

BrianFagioli writes: About 16 years ago, a for-pay Linux distribution caused quite a stir all because of its name -- Lindows. Yes, someone actually thought kicking the billion dollar hornets nest that is Microsoft by playing off of the "Windows" name was a good idea. To be honest, from a marketing perspective, it was brilliant -- it got tons of free press. Microsoft eventually killed the Lindows name by use of money and the legal system, however. Ultimately, the Linux distro was renamed "Linspire." Comically, there was a Lindows Insiders program way before Windows Insiders!

After losing the Lindows name, the operating system largely fell out of the spotlight, and its 15 minutes of fame ended. After all, without the gimmicky name, it was hard to compete with free Linux distros with a paid OS. Not to mention, Richard Stallman famously denounced the OS for its non-free ways. The company eventually created a free version of its OS called Freespire, but by 2008, both projects were shut down by its then-owner, Xandros. Today, however, a new Linspire owner emerges -- PC/OpenSystems LLC. And yes, Lindows is rising from the grave -- as Freespire 3.0 and Linspire 7.0!

"Today the development team at PC/Opensystems LLC is pleased to announce the release of Freespire 3.0 and Linspire 7.0. While both contain common kernel and common utilities, they are targeted towards two different user bases. Freespire is a FOSS distribution geared for the general Linux community, making use of only open source components, containing no proprietary applications. This is not necessarily a limitation : through our software center and extensive repositories, Freespire users can install any application that they wish," says PC/OpenSystems LLC.

Back in 2003 the CEO of Lindows answered questions from Slashdot readers.

The first question was "Why oh why?"

77 comments

  1. I just have one question.... by AJWM · · Score: 4, Funny

    Systemd or not?

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    -- Alastair
    1. Re:I just have one question.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes it has systemd as an init system

    2. Re:I just have one question.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, both use systemd. They're just re-themed copies of Xubuntu.

    3. Re: I just have one question.... by Monster_user · · Score: 1

      Lindows/Linspire used to be a KDE based Debian derivative right? Ie. Kubuntu. I don't recall what the final release was. XFCE is prpbably closer to what the made KDE 3.x into at the time, than KDE is nowadays.

    4. Re:I just have one question.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My question is what does Freespire offer that other distros don't? If it's supposed to compete against Windows, does it come with Wine and PlayOnLinux pre-configured to run most Windows apps?

    5. Re:I just have one question.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no one cares. The real question is can it run steam or not?

  2. Kill it with fire by DanDD · · Score: 2

    Kill it with fire

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    "Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, I no longer despair for the future of the human race." - H. G. Wells
    1. Re:Kill it with fire by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Only works if it's a water type Linux.

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      #DeleteFacebook
    2. Re:Kill it with fire by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      boring.. fire's so overused. How about a superacid?

    3. Re:Kill it with fire by lowen · · Score: 2

      What, you want it soaked in a mixture of ClF3 and FOOF , then rinsed in Piranha Solution?

      Why not just burn in an oxygen- carbon subnitride fire?

    4. Re:Kill it with fire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Drown it in diarrhea and semen.

    5. Re:Kill it with fire by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      I freely admit that chem isn't my area, but maybe just use some
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      and call it a day.

  3. A prophesy fullfilled by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

    This is truly a sign of the End Times.

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    “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
  4. And the other question. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There has to be another choice, other than Ubuntu.

    (There's your motto: Hey at least we're NOT Ubuntu! )

    More power to you guys! Ditch systemd, and you're GOLD

    Today's captcha "anarchy"

    1. Re:And the other question. by Stormwatch · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are many cancerd-free distros. http://without-systemd.org/

    2. Re: And the other question. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Honestly. You probably wouldn't even notice if it did have systemd. But you'd probably be the first to have a cry when trying to write an initscript

    3. Re: And the other question. by thegreatbob · · Score: 1

      Until you find its default behaviors do unkind things such as murdering screen/tmux sessions when your user logs off... clearly working as intended.

      --
      There is no XUL, only WebExtensions...
    4. Re: And the other question. by mukinrestak · · Score: 1

      SystemD actually does that?!?!?! I would be so incredibly fucking full of rage if my tmux session got killed when i logged off.

    5. Re: And the other question. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True.
      CAPTCHA: BENCHED.

  5. "Windows" not owned by MS by XanC · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Microsoft Windows" is. We shouldn't act as though the word "Windows" is owned by MS, even in a computing context. Windowed user interfaces using "windows" were around long before MS Windows.

    1. Re:"Windows" not owned by MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      As a matter of fact, the court ruled against Microsoft's trademark claim. They bought the name Lindows for $20 million after losing.

    2. Re:"Windows" not owned by MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh ha ha ha ho ho hee hee hee! So very insightful, on-topic, clever, and funny!

      MOD UP!!!

    3. Re:"Windows" not owned by MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The first court case agreed and found in favour of Lindows keeping their name. Microsoft then tried the case in other areas. Basically, they just kept suing in different regions until they found a judge who ruled in their favour. MS had a lot of money and was pretty open about trying to squash any popular Linux efforts at the time.

    4. Re:"Windows" not owned by MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good Lord, are you missing all your upper teeth? Or does that neck waddle cause a speech impediment?

    5. Re:"Windows" not owned by MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lordy Lordy what made you think posting that video was a good idea? I could comment on it but really I would just feel bad but still that is pretty fucking embarrassing. You should delete it.

    6. Re:"Windows" not owned by MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, they even sued the US Patent Office, when they didn't want MS to have the trademark to Windows. The reasoning was, the name is too similar to an existing Desktop Window Manager named X-Windows. IIRC, they settled out of court, because the Patent Office didn't want to afford a year long legal battle.

    7. Re:"Windows" not owned by MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're embarrassed that less than perfect people are putting themselves out in public? Says more about you than creimer.

    8. Re:"Windows" not owned by MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Creimer in particular gets teased. That's the only thing that happens to him on Slashdot. So why make public a video like that, which has a lot of material to get teased? You know that the asshats are going to give him a lot of shit about it, and of course he's still not going to make any money from Youtube. So I guess I don't really understand the motivation for releasing the video, unless it's some form of masochism.

      And it's a lot more extreme than "less than perfect."

    9. Re:"Windows" not owned by MS by lkcl · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Microsoft Windows" is. We shouldn't act as though the word "Windows" is owned by MS, even in a computing context. Windowed user interfaces using "windows" were around long before MS Windows.

      Exactly. I know someone who worked for Lindows^WLinspire at the time, and they told me that the reason why Microsoft settled (out of court) is because Lindows went "So Sue Us". Microsoft's Lawyers realised - and advised Microsoft accordingly - exactly as you surmise, XanC, that a "Window" is a generic term, and that their Trademark was not sustainable, and that it would be... how to put it best... "A Bad Idea" to let the courts decide (lawyer diplomatic speak for "Microsoft would lose"). Interestingly - from the same source - what actually killed Linspire was the CEO cashing out of the company at just the wrong time, when it was just becoming successful, sustainable, and in profit.

    10. Re:"Windows" not owned by MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Creimer is fat and ugly. He should just commit suicide. DIE, MOTHERFUCKER, DIE!

    11. Re:"Windows" not owned by MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This belongs on encyclopedia dramatica..

    12. Re:"Windows" not owned by MS by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      I think you meant "wattle".

      Necks don't waddle; ducks do, though.

    13. Re: "Windows" not owned by MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I heard they even sued Santa Claus because he was starting a new program where he comes in through the windows instead of the chimney. They kept suing him until he couldn't find any more variations of Santa Windows, Window Claus, Micro Satanic Claus, etc.

    14. Re:"Windows" not owned by MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember when Slashdot had a lameness filter?

    15. Re:"Windows" not owned by MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one said that, Chris. We simply said that someone who looks like you will have to get by on personality alone. And from how you act here, you ain't got much there either.

      Please link to a single post where anyone said you should commit suicide. This is simply your PTSD-induced psychosis.

    16. Re:"Windows" not owned by MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck off, he's obviously mentally challenged. You should show some compassion and understanding.

    17. Re:"Windows" not owned by MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While creimer may have the personality and looks like wallpaper paste, this comment goes too far.

    18. Re:"Windows" not owned by MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The video is a channel trailer. Not surprising since creimer has published weekly videos throughout December. Expect more to come.

    19. Re:"Windows" not owned by MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FUUUUUUUUUUCK

    20. Re:"Windows" not owned by MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's creimer being dramatic. The idea is, anybody who makes fun of his video or thinks his money making schemes are stupid is full of hate and wants creimer to die.

    21. Re: "Windows" not owned by MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There werent technical mistakes, you just have a very fat neck and an odd manner of speaking.

    22. Re:"Windows" not owned by MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Us trolls have discussed creating a dramatica article to keep track of his shenanigans but none of us have the heart to subject chris to the kind of abuse that sort of attention could bring.

      So we all sit here and wait for the inevitable, eventually Chris will get the attention he craves and will probably have some hilarious meltdown when it doesn't come in the form of youtube stardom.

  6. Oh great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...yet another distro of Linux. Are they going to fork a version of Android to go with it?

  7. Horrible OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I tried running it once. The idea of a commercially purchased PC with a pre-installed Linux system to me was a good trend.

    I got about 15 minutes of use, and then it asked me for a credit card in order to use GCC. So ... within another 10 seconds I was formatting that drive for a different distro.

    1. Re:Horrible OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bought a Lindows/Linspire laptop from Walmart back in early 2005.

      This was before netbooks and Chromebooks. So $500 for any laptop at all was a very good deal. And the MS Windows style interface was a gentle introduction to Linux for my wife who had only ever used MS Windows before that.

      Compared to what's available today, the Lindows/Linspire laptop was pretty clunky (slow and awkward to use). But it served us well at that time.

  8. Trey paid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    MS paid Lindows several million dollars to change the name in the lawsuit settlement. The amount was in Lindows' SEC filings.

  9. Also avalible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Winux, OS L and LSD.

  10. I'd like to interject for a moment... by malditaenvidia · · Score: 3, Funny

    What you're referring to as "Lindows" is, in fact, GNU/Lindows.

    1. Re:I'd like to interject for a moment... by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 3, Interesting

      While the joke may sound funny at first, it is most definitely not true. Quoting Richard Stallman, the founder of the Free Software Foundaton, about the licensing of Linspire:

      > No other GNU/Linux distribution has backslided so far away from freedom

      If Linspire's "pay for play" model included access to the relevant source code, under a "free" development license with access to source code, it could be considered compatible with most Linux software and business models. It does not: its support for prprietary projects and vendor lock-in is precisely what the GNU project and the FSF reject.

    2. Re:I'd like to interject for a moment... by malditaenvidia · · Score: 1

      Joking aside, it's still using the GNU coreutils.

    3. Re:I'd like to interject for a moment... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GNU coreutils is such a tiny part of the system it's not worth naming the whole thing over it.

      Look, there's an entire operating system called GNU. If you take the GNU operating system, add Linux to it, and distribute that then it deserves to be called GNU/Linux. If you make your own OS with bits taken from all over the place then give it its own name, like Linspire.

    4. Re:I'd like to interject for a moment... by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      Would it be more correct to call it systemd/Linux?

    5. Re:I'd like to interject for a moment... by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      I've not delved into Linspire or Freespire Are they still using glibc?

    6. Re:I'd like to interject for a moment... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU + Lindows.

  11. Just what the world needs, another sysd Linux by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

    How many such distros are there now? Way over 1000 I'm sure.

    Devuan is the only distro that really interests me.

  12. I smell a rat, or at leas a DOA idea by wjcofkc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So the Freespire version lists a bunch of OSS. The commercial version lists a ton more software, almost all of it OSS. They have an awful lot of detailed testimonials for something that appears to have been release 5 days ago. Testimonials from the previous incarnation do not apply - this is a new animal. "Partnerships" - Uh huh. I need more info on what they classify as a "Partnership". Half of their "customers" link to nothing but a logo. I would be curious to know what Verizon and the US Navy are buying from them. For a company admitting (in the fine print) that they are a small consulting firm their service offerings seem pretty lofty. I could go on and on, nothing about this seems quite right or a even a good idea. I can't find any reviews. FOSS Bytes has a mention but all I learned is that it is an Ubuntu derivative, and that screen shot better be from a decade ago.

    https://fossbytes.com/lindows-linux-distro-back-linspire-7-0-and-freespire-3-0-released/

    I will give Freespire a spin but none of their marketing gives me a reason to be exited.

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    Brought to you by Carl's Junior.
    1. Re:I smell a rat, or at leas a DOA idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks, seeing if it gets inertia and maintains momentum all on its own magically.

  13. So how much did Slashdot get paid for this by RedK · · Score: 1

    I mean, I hope they got paid. If they didn't get paid to run this blatant advertisement for snake oil, they got ripped off.

    A better story would've been about stuff that actually matters, like say "Today's package updates for Arch Linux" or something equally irrelevant as this "stupid idea from the 00s resurfaces" thing.

    --
    "Not to mention all the idiots who use words like boxen."
    Anonymous Coward on Monday August 04, @06:49PM
    1. Re:So how much did Slashdot get paid for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      News is still news even if it doesn't appeal to you (or anyone else)

    2. Re:So how much did Slashdot get paid for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, every 5 to 10 years, Slashdot has to come out with another news blurb about HURD, the u-kernel FOSS, that has furiously churned its way to a new release that doesn't quite work. I'd say its about as relevant as a resurrected Linspire. Says more about Slashdot than either announcement.

    3. Re:So how much did Slashdot get paid for this by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      I mean, I hope they got paid. If they didn't get paid to run this blatant advertisement for snake oil, they got ripped off.

      Don't be so stupid. To me this is the most interesting story of today - it was entertaining to read about someone digging up a corpse of a discredited psycopath and trying to make a walking zombie out of it.

      You really found the article to read like an advertisement? Almost every word put me off.

  14. No Xandros? by Monster_user · · Score: 2

    Well, most of the customer base has found other distributions, but I preferred Xandros to Linspire. (Xandros bought Linspire/Lindows, and was the last owner I was aware of before today).

  15. not Windows, The Doors - Come on Baby Run Linspire by ei4anb · · Score: 3, Funny

    https://youtu.be/V4-Z_nJvGsM Come on Baby, Run Linspire!

  16. Re:not Windows, The Doors - Come on Baby Run Linsp by organgtool · · Score: 1

    My urge to run Linspire just increase a thousandfold.

  17. The first question was "Why oh why?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >>> The first question was "Why oh why?"

    It's because with OpenSource, you can review whether the code is doing all the nasty calling-home/privacy BS and be able to stop it at the source.

    With current versions of windows, disabling the call-home settings only limits some of that crap. Not every user has the know-how on running Wiresharks and monitoring millions lines of log data. If it appears in the log data, it means that your data has already been sent and there's no way of going back.

  18. So by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's a bit of Resurrection Sunday on the day of Orthodox Christmas.

  19. Re:not Windows, The Doors - Come on Baby Run Linsp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I never saw the Linspire one, but it reminded me of the Lindows Rock one!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSdRTOh2jeA

  20. Lindows, Linspire/Freespire were excellent desktop by kriston · · Score: 1

    Lindows, Linspire, and Freespire were excellent desktops. The layout was natural, the theme was beautiful, and they went out of their way to make damn sure that the fonts were rendered correctly.

    Lindows was excellent and it wasn't because of its gimmicky name. I'm the last one to respect gimmicks, but this was a truly good desktop OS with a lot of effort and technology put into it. They even developed their own control panel and administration system and did a good job of unifying the entire Linux desktop that was aligned with we now call a unified "design language."

    It's too bad Freespire didn't survive the Xandros acquisition.

    It's good that it's back to life once more.

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    Kriston

  21. Re:Lindows, Linspire/Freespire were excellent desk by kriston · · Score: 2

    And, everyone seems to have forgotten that Lindows was one of the first Linux distributions that had an app store that actually worked and was rich in variety with many commercial products offered.

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    Kriston

  22. Nuke it from orbit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's the only way to be sure

  23. Why? But of course.... by Wizardess · · Score: 1

    Of course the combined distro would have to rename itself as "Freedows". Then they could claim was snack food for computers.
    {^_-}

  24. Devuan is a joke by GPLHost-Thomas · · Score: 1

    Devuan? Are you SURE? They pretended they were a fork of Debian, not a derivative. It took years to get their Jessie-based release out. Fast forward, they still didn't release anything more, and ... announced the Stretch-based release is coming. So suddenly, they become just-yet-another derivative of Debian. And what does it bring? Binaries not linked with libsystemd. That's it. No more, no less. In other words: completely useless, with very poor security support (unless someone dares Devuan has a better security team than Debian...). Not only that: there's almost nobody behind them but trolls like MikeeUSA (search the Debian lists, and you'll see what kind of nasty person that is...) and not even half a dozen other.

    Devuan is a joke (one which isn't even funny): stay away.

  25. FreesSpire 3.0 by jaq1an · · Score: 1

    Should it not be 6.0, as the last distro was 5.0 which I still have on CD

  26. I bought a license, back then! by Askmum · · Score: 1

    You can touch me now. I guess I'm one of the few. No idea where the license is or how I can prove I did, but I did buy one.
    I feel like Stef from UF.