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Kansas 'Swat' Perpetrator Had Already Been To Prison For Fake Bomb Threats (go.com)
More details are emerging about an online gamer whose fake call to Kansas police led to a fatal shooting:
- "After phoning in a false bomb threat to a Glendale, California TV station in 2015, Tyler Barriss threatened to kill his grandmother if she reported him, according to local reports and court documents." -- The Wichita Eagle
- "The Glendale Police Department confirmed to ABC News that Tyler Barriss made about 20 calls to universities and media outlets throughout the country around the time he was arrested for a bomb threat to Los Angeles ABC station KABC in 2015... He was sentenced to two years and eight months in jail, court records show." -- ABC News
- "Within months of his release in August, he had already become the target of a Los Angeles Police Department investigation into similar hoax calls... LAPD detectives were planning to meet with federal prosecutors to discuss their investigation..." -- The Los Angeles Times
- The Wichita Eagle reports that even after the police had fatally shot the person SWauTistic was pretending to be, he continued his phone call with the 911 operator for another 16 minutes -- on a call which lasted over half an hour.
- Brian Krebs reports that police may have been aided in their investigation by another reformed SWAT perpetrator -- adding that SWauTistic privately claimed to have already called in fake emergencies at approximately 100 schools and 10 homes.
Just last month SWauTistic's Twitter account showed him bragging about a bomb threat which caused the evacuation of a Dallas convention center, according to the Daily Beast -- after which SWauTistic encouraged his Twitter followers to also follow him on a second account, "just in case twitter suspends me for being a god." Later the 25-year-old tweeted that "if you can't pull off a swat without getting busted you're not a leet hacking God its that simple."
Barriss remains in jail in Los Angeles with no bond, though within three weeks he's expected to be extradited to Kansas for his next trial.
Better yet, don't make bomb threats.
Better yet, just don't be a hazard to society.
You do not have a moral or legal right to do absolutely anything you want.
This guy thought he was a l33t hacker because the police hadn't caught him, but it seems like the first time they tried they were able to roll him up in a few hours. He's an idiot with a vastly inflated sense of self worth, and it got an innocent person killed.
I read the internet for the articles.
to make this even more illegal.
In 2015. So why isn't he still behind bars?
overcrowding so they cut your time down.
We need laws which make it illegal for the cops to roll up on someone and execute them on the basis that someone claimed that there was a crime occurring at a specific address. In the best case, they are risking killing a hostage.
Wait, you meant anti-SWATting laws? It's already illegal to do what he did. That didn't stop him. You think making it more illegal would have stopped him?
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
We are nearly a year into his presidency and still we have not gone to nuclear war with anyone, mass deportations have not happened, people of color have not been killed en mass like dogs in the street, we haven't even yet had ironically run concentration camps... Instead we have the markets up, the economy is, unemployment sown, ISIS on the run and North Korea talking again... A threat to who the?
This is all fine and good but maybe lets discuss the innocent civilians literally killed by police for no reason? Over-response much? "To protect?" LOL, you mean "target pratice?" Just look at the facts, being a police officer is one of the SAFEST jobs in America but because they have been brainwashed and have triggers on guns they are the MOST dangerous people in the world.
These paranoid lunatics kill who knows how many regular innocent people and while some of it makes news, most of it is covered up.
It's time to discuss whether a military response is necessary for common household domestic matters.
He should get a gold sticker for "not being in a nuclear war within a year". Wow, what an accomplishment.
This. Reminds me of those who praised George W. Bush in 2002 and later, for keeping the country safe because there hadn't been an attack ... since 9/11.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
I expect that Finch's family will be seeking some sort of settlement from California for letting the little twerp out early.
Have gnu, will travel.
The police found Barriss fast, when they tried hard to find him. kansas.com says,
He had been held at the 77th Street Precinct Jail in South Los Angeles following his arrest Friday afternoon – less than 24 hours after the call was made.
Depends on when in 2015. If he were put away in March of 2015, for example, he'd have finished his sentence in December of 2017, even if he didn't get early release....
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
Better yet, just don't be a hazard to society.
Who is the hazard? The SWAT team went to a random address, based on an anonymous phone call, and killed the innocent occupant for basically no reason at all.
Barriss should be held accountable. But he didn't "murder" anyone. The SWAT team did that.
Ok, so this punk will get the punishment he richly deserved long before an innocent man was killed.
Now, can we go back to punishing the actual killer — the cop, who pulled the trigger? Unlike certain Michael Brown, this victim really was raising his hands. Why was he shot at? Why will not you and me be shot at in the same situation?
It sure seems like police are trying to throw all of the responsibility on the prankster, the better to protect one of their own... We should not allow that to happen.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
This douchebag just needs to go to prison for a long time....or perhaps just forever. It's clear the first experience did not have the desired effect.
Read TFS. They already did.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Barriss should be held accountable. But he didn't "murder" anyone. The SWAT team did that.
The SWAT team didn't murder anybody. As long as they were following their department's official procedures, they have "qualified immunity". The SWAT ream members themselves will likely not receive any type of disciplinary actions, possibly a few mid-level administrative/procedure-writing types may receive a negative performance review next period.
At the very worst, one or two officers might be 'let go' and simply get a job at another department.
The elephant in the room in the US is that there are so many laws, rules, and regulations with the force of law that it takes an immense amount of manpower to police & enforce them all.
If they actually held law enforcement officers to higher standards and held them more accountable for their screw-ups, the government would either spend many times more than they do currently or not have nearly the manpower necessary to maintain order and minimal levels of enforcement.
If, in arguably one of the richest nations that's ever existed, you cannot afford to hire enough police to enforce all the laws you've passed in a just and non-abusive manner while not violating civil rights, without having to lower the standards to such low levels and allow them to get away with abusing the public rather than lose a warm body in uniform, perhaps...just perhaps...you've PASSED TOO MANY DAMNED LAWS!!!!1!!
Just something to consider, although my hopes for any meaningful reduction in the size of government and number of laws are very thin.
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But he didn't "murder" anyone. The SWAT team did that.
If I lock you up in a cage, the tiger is the murderer.
But I thought he'd just play with you!
“Replicants are like any other machine - they're either a benefit or a hazard. If they're a benefit, it's not my problem” - Deckard
I for one eagerly await the day when people like "Tyler Barris" can be replaced by replicants even if they do eventually develop their own emotional responses."hate, love, fear, anger, envy". Or is there a difference at all? More human than human. Sigh......
I can't relate to this guy at all.
If it's okay to "retire" replicants, should it not also be okay to "retire" sociopaths like Tyler Barris? And who am I to call him a sociopath? What if we deployed Blade Runner units to destroy all the replicants - or just anyone we deemed to have developed their own emotional responses?
Okay, I'm talking crazy now but sometimes we just have to pick up the pieces and prosecute them after they commit a crime and we can catch them.
The officers (they were not SWAT) yelled at him to raise his hands and to walk toward them, and shined bright light at his eyes. 3 seconds later, he drops his hands and the cops shoot him.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/innocent-gamer-shot-dead-kansas-wichita-swatting-andrew-finch-a8134521.html
If, in arguably one of the richest nations that's ever existed, you cannot afford to hire enough police to enforce all the laws you've passed in a just and non-abusive manner while not violating civil rights, without having to lower the standards to such low levels and allow them to get away with abusing the public rather than lose a warm body in uniform, perhaps...just perhaps...you've PASSED TOO MANY DAMNED LAWS!!!!1!!
That's weird, I'd have thought some european country would be the champion of too many laws.
I guess they don't kill enough of their citizens to qualify.
The SWAT team didn't murder anybody.
From a legal standpoint they almost certainly did not. From a moral standpoint it's definitely arguable that they did.
I've made bad decisions in my life and lived with the regret, but none of those decisions has ever resulted in anyone losing their life especially not an innocent person's life. I don't believe the cop who killed an innocent man wanted to take a life that day but I would have a hard time living with myself if I had been the one to kill that guy.
Even if no charges were ever brought against me (and they almost certainly wouldn't be) I would feel guilty for the rest of my life. I would relive that moment and ask myself why I felt I had to shoot a man who I would later learn was unarmed.
It's not a simple case of murder because it's definitely not that but it is an example of how law enforcement in the US is unjust and harms the innocent.
Nope... it's like he was just randomly chucking bricks off an overpass, and was unlucky enough to have gravity kill somebody with one.
There, they will get released after a while, unless they manage to do something really large. People like this one need to go under permanent supervision. At the same time, it can rightfully be said that this person is insane and hence prison is again not the right place, as punishment will accomplish exactly nothing. (Yes, I do understand that prison in the US is about revenge and economic incentives, not punishment. But unless the US stops using the mind-set of a stone-age primitive here, problems like this will not get solves and will continue to cause significant damage to society.)
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
There are much older societies, with bigger government than the US that have even more laws, but don't end up with the police slaughtering people left and right. There's a seemingly unique quality to US policing that results in more officer-involved shootings. Maybe it's the number of weapons in private hands, which means US police have to go into every encounter with a civilian as if it were against an armed combatant. Maybe it's just that policing in the US is a more macho, militarized affair.
I honestly don't know the answer. Maybe there's something unique about the US that makes us more likely to be violent.
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I've not watched the body-cam video on the page linked above but wow. How far away were they? It looks as if they got the wrong address and once the mistake was discovered, couldn't be bothered to drive even vaguely near the correct address!
Unless the murdered householder had a sniper rifle, what possible danger could he pose?
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I think the gp was operating from an assumption that not all swat involvement results in murder.
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Perhaps the police and swat should be forced to dogfood their service.
Once per day, the home of the relative of a police/swat-team member should be swatted randomly. Pretty soon, procedures would change.
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I would relive that moment and ask myself why I felt I had to shoot a man who I would later learn was unarmed.
I would assume you could then immediately answer that with "because I believed he was armed and did not want him to murder me or anyone else".
Pretty short discussion, really.
but you just can't sue a state for not wanting to spend money
You can if your kid's school district doesn't get enough money. Even if you can't demonstrate any damages to your kid.
You can also sue if the state screws up and releases an inmate early, causing you subsequent harm.
Have gnu, will travel.
We DO have far, far too many laws. Many of which are badlaws.
But - the cops DID murder that man. That the murder occurred in compliance with badlaws makes it no less reprehensible.
Why would our masters employ teams of paramilitary thugs if not to murder citizens?
SWAT teams have no place in a free country. A free country has no SWAT teams.
...You do realize Obama wasn't President until January 2009, right? He had nothing to do with what happened in 2008 (aside from his role as 1 senator out of 100).
Three cheers for state-sponsored rape! Hup hup hurrah!
The time has come:
War on Drugs War Crimes Trial
The paramilitary thugs who have for decades terrorized our communities must be called to account. Nuremberg for the bosses. Truth & reconciliation for the foot soldiers.
Nope... it's like he was just randomly chucking bricks off an overpass, and was unlucky enough to have gravity kill somebody with one.
More like he anonymously told the police that a bad guy would be driving under the bridge, and then the police randomly chucked bricks off the overpass.
They showed up at a hose that didn't meet the caller's description, fired within seconds at distance, at someone for all they knew was one of the purported hostages. Of course the cop attached to the itchy trigger finger needs to spend a few years in prison for manslaughter. Cops get false or misleading calls all the time - if they can't assess the situation without killing a person in 5 seconds, they have no business being a cop.
Prioritization. Cops can always concentrate on actual crime, as opposed to nuisance traffic or pot possession tickets.
Nah, they'd just know that they can't "screw up" and get away with it. When every cop knows a cop who did time for kidnapping (false arrest), breaking and entering (search without a warrant) they'll stop acting like unaccountable goons.
No, they wouold not.
First of all to 'manage' that you need pranxters that call for SWATs on police families. Most likely that would imediatly ring bells. If not and a few officers shoot family members of other officers, they simply put out a new law: death penalty to pranxters that cause a death.
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Every country with a working government and society has SWAT teams.
But as the name originally suggested: Special Weapons And Tactics. Those are only needed in terrorist attacks, plane hijackings, or bank robberies with hostages.
In a phone call like that, in Germany probably the next best police car having officers with wests would stop by.
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Did you screw up and type that into the wrong window on your screen? This isn't Global Chat on a WoW server, tard.
Which reminds me that Bama got the Nobel Peace Prize, which they handed to him ASAP so as to not really see what he would do as an actual acting President. Then he started killing people big-time in the Middle East with cruse missiles.
They showed up at a hose that didn't meet the caller's description, fired within seconds at distance, at someone for all they knew was one of the purported hostages. Of course the cop attached to the itchy trigger finger needs to spend a few years in prison for manslaughter. Cops get false or misleading calls all the time - if they can't assess the situation without killing a person in 5 seconds, they have no business being a cop.
I agree. I was simply stating what is more likely to happen in our broken system.
The low-hanging fruit pays more into State coffers and are usually nonviolent and so typically involve less officer risk. I understand that most laws are written with the expectation that only a fraction of those breaking that law will be caught, and that police can prioritize. However, that only goes so far. Once the number of laws grows past some point, many of those laws become stacks of nearly-forgotten seldom enforced laws that eventually become a selective-enforcement minefield for citizens and an easy way for police and the politicians to bully people.
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In 2016:
1604 Americans were murdered by knife. With a population of 323.1 million in 2016, that works out to a knife-murder rate of 0.496 per 100,000.
175 Canadians were murdered by knife. With a population of 36.3 million in 2016, that works out to a knife-murder rate of 0.482 per 100,000.
71 Australians were murdered by knife. With a population of 24.1 million, that works out to a knife-murder rate of 0.295 per 100,000.
213 people were murdered by knife in the UK. With a population of 65.6 million, that works out to a knife-murder rate of 0.325 per 100,000.
Despite the widespread availability of guns, Americans killed each other by knife at a higher rate than other countries. So it's not the guns. There's just something about Americans which make them more likely to kill each other, period. In that light, it's not at all surprising that U.S. police response is more aggressive than in other countries.
It's easy to moralize when your life isn't on the line.
The majority of people shot by the police in the US are white. Black people are vastly overrepresented compared to the portion of the population they represent, but they don't come close to a majority of victims. Stop getting your information from Tumblr.
The vast majority of people who get shot by police are black.
Bullcrap. In 2015, 1388 people were shot by police in America. 318, or 23% were black. That is not "the vast majority".
More blacks were shot as a percentage of their population, but it is roughly in line with their higher crime rate. A black man is more likely that a white man to have a encounter with the police, but either encounter is equally likely to result in a shooting.
Way too many people are killed by the police in America, but it is not "all about race" or even "mostly about race".
How large a percentage of the US population is black? According to a quick Google search, around 13%.
These are the kind of numbers we need for statistics to make sense. With 13% of the population making up 25% of a statistic, that percentage has a marked increase in chance/risk of whatever the statistic is made to show. In this case, risk of getting shot and killed.
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The use of SWAT teams has skyrocketed since the early 1980's. The 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution has been in existence a hell of a lot longer than that, so I don't think it's an issue of there being a lot of guns in private ownership.
We gave the creep a second chance; and, he blew it. While the appropriate punishment should be something like defenestration 30 stories up, keelhauling, or drawing and quartering these are considered to be cruel and unusual punishment. But a later article here has suggested something that would be ideal and is considered by Telenav to be completely normal treatment for human beings. So we'll take up their suggestion, put this fellow in a immobile automobile with their advertising service for at least 12 hours every day for the rest of his life. Now, should we provide him with the means for suicide or not?
And I'm not sure if I am making a joke or not.
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In case of a hostage situation? Are you out of your mind?
USA had the most cars on the road by a long shot during the age of leaded gasoline.
Murder charges are not strict liability - you need to be able to show the accused intended the death. It's not enough for the accused to have merely caused the death through reckless stupidity. If it were, there would be a great many bad drivers on death row.
That's what manslaughter charges are for.
It's easy to moralize when your life isn't on the line.
At the distance and light conditions and view on the target we are talking about, the police officer's life wasn't on the line. Anybody thinking differently is severely unsuitable for doing police duty as they would be a danger to themselves and others.
Black people being shot by police make up such a small number next to the amount of black people killed by other black people that it's laughable this is even a thing.
Police make mistakes and shoot more white people than they do black people. Compared to the crime statistics, white people are 2 times more likely to get shot for committing a crime than black people.
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There's just something about Americans which make them more likely to kill each other, period.
From a single year's data? Solandri, I might as well use you as an example of the bad education of Americans due to the faulty quality of your arguments.
Except I know better.
No, why would I?
How many days/weeks would it take to assemble a SWAT team for a simple thing like a house hold hostage situation?
The local police can handle that just fine, without Special Forces.
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These are the kind of numbers we need for statistics to make sense. With 13% of the population making up 25% of a statistic, that percentage has a marked increase in chance/risk of whatever the statistic is made to show. In this case, risk of getting shot and killed.
You are correct, if black people are 13% of the population and 25% of people killed by the police, that's not right. However saying "the majority of people shot by police are black" is still untrue and gives a very wrong picture.
shoot the perp in the head with good ol boy hunting skills, not this bullshit of negotiating for hours.
Murder charges are not strict liability - you need to be able to show the accused intended the death. It's not enough for the accused to have merely caused the death through reckless stupidity
Quote: "Many states use the California definition of implied malice to describe an unintentional killing that is charged as murder because the defendant intended to do serious bodily injury, or acted with extreme recklessness." Calling a SWAT team to a home pretending that there is a hostage situation is extreme recklessness. If it ends with a person being dead, it is murder.
Violent law enforcement is also pretty old. From slave patrols to sheriffs in the Old West, the mythology of policing in the United States includes a lot of "leaving the bad guy in a pool of blood".
And now that our police departments have filled with veterans of the longest wars in US history, who find it easier to continue to wear a uniform instead of mainsteaming back into productive society, those wars are coming home. The tactics are different, but the result is the same.
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That is a very good point, but the mythology of violence runs through our history prior to the age of the automobile.
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Also keep in mind that that same 13% of the population (well, more like 6.5% since it's mostly just the males, or even lower like 3-4% when you bring in the age ranges of 13-45 that usually are involved) are committing 50% of the violent crime in the USA.
When you're in a 4% group that is committing that disproportionate of an amount of violence, you would expect to be shot and killed by police at a higher rate than the white population. It's just a fact of life. In fact, I'd say that if your group is committing 50% of the violent crime, the fact that you don't make up 50% of the people shot and killed by police shows that they are probably using a LOT of restraint when it comes to shooting members of your group.
While I agree that the police are shooting people every day that they shouldn't be, they aren't out hunting blacks in open season like the communist media would have you believe. They're killing indiscriminately, which is still a huge problem.
It's not guns, it's stupid American undividualsim, dumbass cowboy mentality.
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It's the difference between negligence and policy.
Policy just demonstrates intent. And that will just make it worse for California.
And it's quite possible sovereign immunity will lead to a dismissal anyway.
Or the case will be heard in a federal court. I'll bet the Kansas District Court would love to drag California in front of their judge.
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Better yet, just don't be a hazard to society.
Who is the hazard? The SWAT team went to a random address, based on an anonymous phone call, and killed the innocent occupant for basically no reason at all.
Barriss should be held accountable. But he didn't "murder" anyone. The SWAT team did that.
All the media is focusing on the swatting, the guy's history, character, etc. The media seems to ignore the ones who did the killing.
Lots of 911 calls have questionable information. Often they are even made by the guilty party in an effort to look innocent. The police know this. They should have been cautious instead of trigger happy.
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Meanwhile, men make up 50% of the US population, but 96% of all police shooting victims. Being black rather than white increases your odds of being shot by a factor 2-3; being male rather than female increases your odds of being shot by a factor >20. Why do we have outrage over the former but not the latter?
These are the kind of numbers we need for statistics to make sense. With 13% of the population making up 25% of a statistic, that percentage has a marked increase in chance/risk of whatever the statistic is made to show. In this case, risk of getting shot and killed.
You are correct, if black people are 13% of the population and 25% of people killed by the police, that's not right. However, saying "the majority of people shot by police are black" is still untrue and gives a very wrong picture.
Blacks get killed disproportionately more because they disproportionately behave in ways that give police the excuse to shoot. They commit more crime, drive more erratically, attempt to escape more, run more, talk back more, more often carry weapons, fight more, resist more, disobey more, and are simply more discourteous. The cops aren't racist. They kill plenty of Caucasians too.
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The body count was down, because Obama's people instituted precision tactics to kill just the special non-American (most times) in the undeclared war zone.
That's sorta creepy, ya know.
So many people here hating the cops. I'm not a knee-jerk cop supporter. Sometimes cops go bad, and those should be treated as the criminals they are. Cops don't get a pass on truly bad behavior. That being said. People need to take a deep breath and look at policing in the US as a profession. Put yourself in this position. Here's your job. When someone is smeared in their own hepatits-ridden feces and walking down the middle of the highway with a shotgun you get called to deal with it. When there's a huge brawl at the local bar and nobody knows how many guns there are in the seething crowd, you get called to deal with it. Unsure the best approach? Too bad, everyone expects you to deal with it and you can't screw up in any way at all. Every domestic disturbance in the worst section of town, you get to deal with it. Drugs flooding the neighborhoods along with gangs..... guess who? And you get to work all this out in a country that is SWIMMING in guns. More guns than people. Who has a gun? Who knows? Nobody really does. You certainly don't. But god forbid you shoot anyone. Half the population immediately assumes you're some sort of John Wayne admirer itching to shoot a brown person. Even if you're a minority yourself, you still get the hatred. Half the population thinks you're corrupt and evil, but they still call you when they are neck deep in the worst situation of their own creation, and expect you to deal with it with the utmost professionalism. Slip up once? You might kill someone, wind up dead yourself, wind up on the front cover of cnn and fox, and your career could be over. For the privilege of this wonderful career? 40k per year plus pension, a bit better once you're a senior officer. Again, bad behavior doesn't get a pass. But this swatting situation...... sorry people, reality check here. We live in a country where there are more guns than people. The cops are called to deal with the hairiest, deadliest, toughest situations and they have no choice but to walk into it assuming that everyone is packing. So, no surprise that they're on hair-trigger alert. Occasionally, very rarely, one of them is going to overreact and someone is probably going to die. Did the cops set up our society this way? Nope. Hundreds of years ago we collectively decided that everyone should be packing. That's just the way it is. But the cops have to deal with it daily. Sorry, but the serial swatter is to blame for this death, not the police. There will surely be an inquiry and it might be determined that one specific police officer failed to follow procedure under the pressure of the situation, resulting in a civilian death. However, the swatter essentially made a career of weaponizing the police against whoever he didn't like. The blame is squarely on his shoulders, and I very much hope that he gets enough prison time that he's old and tired by the time he gets out.
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We are nearly a year into his presidency and still we have not gone to nuclear war with anyone, mass deportations have not happened, people of color have not been killed en mass like dogs in the street, we haven't even yet had ironically run concentration camps... Instead we have the markets up, the economy is, unemployment sown, ISIS on the run and North Korea talking again... A threat to who the?
Note one: Mass Deportations are happening, they're just not completed. ICE is making many more arrests each month and the courts that process deportations are massively backlogged and underfunded.
Note two: nuclear war is not the risk. The risk is the standard playbook that populist authoritarian leaders use: drumming up the risk of war and then engaging in war to distract the domestic population. This is far more likely to happen as we get closer and closer to the re-election calendar.
Additionally, police (including SWAT) go through quite a bit of training. The cop who shot Andrew Finch should go to jail. Period. I don't care if it's a "heightened situation" or not. The police need to learn to de-escalate, and should only be allowed to shoot when there's clearly a gun pointed at them or they've been shot at. Just thinking a possible perp MIGHT be going for a weapon is no excuse to shoot. Period.
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Cross border murder incitement.
With the CoD idiots as accessories.
And let's not forget to mention all the former military gear that has been bequeathed upon civilian police forces around the country. The existence of an MRAP with a civilian police force creates a need to use it.
It will be interesting to see what happens with the nearly 100,000 suppressors (silencers) that have now been distributed to municipal police departments by the federal government.
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After seeing the Daniel Shaver video, I can't imagine a net positive outcome. And I say that as somebody who had to go through military training. While suppressors add considerable weight to the weapon at the barrel end, shoot it with subsonic ammo and it's virtually silent.
In 2015. So why isn't he still behind bars?
Time sentenced does not mean time served. Given the US's penchant for locking up pot users for using pot... chances are room was needed to stow another dangerous stoner and he was released early.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
Better yet, just don't be a hazard to society.
Who is the hazard? The SWAT team went to a random address, based on an anonymous phone call, and killed the innocent occupant for basically no reason at all.
Barriss should be held accountable. But he didn't "murder" anyone. The SWAT team did that.
Actually he did murder someone... just because it happened by proxy does not clear him of guilt. He deliberately made a fraudulent call to the police that resulted in the death of another person. A smart lawyer would argue for a manslaughter charge (as killing him wasn't an intent, it was a consequence of his action) but there is no way Barriss could deny culpability in this.
Sure the police should have checked their targets instead of going in shooting, but realistically shouldn't have been called out in the first place. Sure the SWAT OIC should be investigated and punished, but that does not absolve Barriss of culpability one iota.
BTW, a smart prosecution will argue for the murder charge as, despite no intent to commit murder, the defendant knew he was putting the other persons life in danger. Given the defendants history this will be an easy win as long as the police didn't screw up the arrest (most acquittals happen because someone didn't follow procedure, not because the defendant was demonstrated to be innocent).
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
I'm sure you have sources for all of your claims.
So you're saying that you're okay with police murdering citizens as long as other citizens murder more citizens than the police?
I was unaware that discourtesy was an excuse to shoot. A fleeing suspect is not a danger to anyone, unless known to be armed and dangerous. If mouthing off to an officer or running away is grounds to shoot, we need to change policies fast.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes