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House Passes Bill To Renew NSA Internet Spying Tool (reuters.com)

Dustin Volz, reporting for Reuters: The U.S. House of Representatives on Thursday passed a bill to renew the National Security Agency's warrantless internet surveillance program, overcoming objections from privacy advocates and confusion prompted by morning tweets from President Donald Trump that initially questioned the spying tool. The legislation, which passed 256-164 and split party lines, is the culmination of a yearslong debate in Congress on the proper scope of U.S. intelligence collection -- one fueled by the 2013 disclosures of classified surveillance secrets by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden. Senior Democrats in the U.S. House of Representatives had urged cancellation of the vote after Trump appeared to cast doubt on the merits of the program, but Republicans forged ahead.

114 comments

  1. Even More Interesting Than This... by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    ...is watching how long slashdot takes to release one of the twitter "shadowban" stories currently burning up its firehose all morning...

    1. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by msmash · · Score: 1, Insightful

      We're aware of the story. But we need credible sources to corroborate the claims before we run it here.

    2. Re: Even More Interesting Than This... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We know youâ(TM)re going to shadowban the shadowban

    3. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah... to the so-called "editors" around here a "credible source" is anyone who hates Trump.

    4. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      It's at least got a better claim of news for nerds than my attempted Congressional Candidacy announcement via slashdot--which went purple. OTOH I do have a solution for identity theft and the post was right after Equifax got hacked.

    5. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No disrespect meant, but if you'd like I can start listing stories which you personally posted that the only source was a personal blog. Why is there suddenly a higher standard for this story? If it's a site wide policy recently introduced to improve the quality of the content, then I'm all for it. If it's just an arbitrary requirement you've added because you find the story distasteful....well, yeah.

      Though my question is, what will your personal response be if you hold this story to a higher level, and then in future you post another story based off of a personal blog?

    6. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Buzzfeed and Vice are sources that are credible in the eyes of msmash

    7. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Excellent, I would vote for you...well I'm not from Maryland or even the US, but I like your policies :-P

      Protip: Get HSTS on your website for cypherpunk brownie points ;-)

      --
      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    8. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1

      Please tell me you wrote that tongue-in-cheek.

    9. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2, Funny

      Apparently, two Firehose submissions of the same exact story from a right-wing website qualifies as "burning up the Firehose".

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    10. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...is watching how long slashdot takes to release one of the twitter "shadowban" stories currently burning up its firehose all morning...

      The only source reporting the "shadowban" is James O'Keefe, who has never, ever broken an honest story. I would think that before you believe anything a source has to say, there needs to be at least one instance of that source not being dishonest.

      Whatever your definition of credible source, O'Keefe and Project Veritas are the exact opposite of that.

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    11. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 3, Funny

      We're aware of the story. But we need credible sources to corroborate the claims before we run it here.

      Oh, this is rich. msmash now requires "credible sources". Thank God I wasn't taking a drink when I read that.

    12. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Right now, NationBuilder forwards to their own domain for SSL. They're in the middle of finally getting SSL on all custom domains so we can move away from HTTP. So if you donate to my campaign, it will shove you to a different domain under https instead of http.

      It's kind of annoying.

    13. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Actually, don't donate to my campaign; you're not from the US. Missed that part.

    14. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by arth1 · · Score: 2

      We're aware of the story. But we need credible sources to corroborate the claims before we run it here.

      *Blink*
      I welcome this new policy. I really do.
      Will it be accompanied by pink ponies?

    15. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by A10Mechanic · · Score: 1

      I just spent 10 minutes researching whether fire hoses were fire-proof. Short answer, some are, most are not.

    16. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Does O'Keefe hire voice actors to make it seem like Twitter and CNN employees say things they actually don't, or do you just consider recording people without their knowledge to be dishonest reporting?

    17. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      If you open a hotel, could I rent a room in it? ;-)

      --
      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    18. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by jep77 · · Score: 1

      This message is incredibly contradictory.

      Don't donate to my campaign...
      --
      Donate to my campaign!

      These messages will be cited completely out of context during your race and your activity on Slashdot will be your ruin. Live and die by the / and . I suppose. ... I'm only half kidding.

    19. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by _xeno_ · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Hundreds of stories about Russia hacking the election, which never happened and has no credible sources, and now all of a sudden Slashdot requires "credible sources."

      Now I remember why I had "forgotten" my login for the longest time.

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      You are in a maze of twisty little relative jumps, all alike.
    20. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really??! After all the Russia shit you keep posting? Credible? Yeah, pull the other one... I mean, what are you saying, it doesn't matter if the story is true, you just wanna hear it from the Post or CNN? They are hardly credible sources! They are tabloid lapdogs.

      Oh, and anyone want to tell me what story is being "repressed"? Might be a good reason for it, you know, like it's bullshit or something. You sure get a lot of that from your so-called "credible" sources...

    21. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Making assertions with enough content to be possible to contradict later rather than vague statements that people can give meaning like horoscopes. Having somewhat different opinions about certain issues when approached another way or considered in a different mood or in light of new information. Nope, you are right, he'd never make it as a politician in US politics.

    22. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How much more credible can it get when the information is coming straight from the Twitter engineers mouth? LOL.

    23. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      Does O'Keefe hire voice actors to make it seem like Twitter and CNN employees say things they actually don't

      No, he employs editorsK to make it seem like they say something they actually don't.

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      You are welcome on my lawn.
    24. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump seems confused. Shows he's not quite sure of what his government is up to when he tweets: "‘House votes on controversial FISA ACT today.’ This is the act that may have been used, with the help of the discredited and phony Dossier, to so badly surveil and abuse the Trump Campaign by the previous administration and others?”

    25. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by jep77 · · Score: 1

      Yeah... I'm a Marylander but I'm not in his district so I intentionally didn't read much on his web site... because I don't want to be any more disappointed in my options.

    26. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *plonk*

    27. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are different types of stories. A personal blog might present an interesting argument, in which case it doesn't need "corroboration" - the interest is in the argument, i.e. the logic, not the news value.

      But a report of something happening is a different type of beast. That claims to be presenting *factual information*. It's reasonable to require corroboration for such a story.

      In the end, the editor might still, quite reasonably, post a highly slanted or dubiously sourced version of the story, provided the underlying facts had been corroborated by credible sources. But not without that support.

    28. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Care to provide an example of an edit in a Project Veritas video that wildly changed the context of the statement?

      Did James O'Keefe edit several innocuous videos of a Twitter engineer together to create a narrative about shadowbanning?

      “One strategy is to shadow ban so you have ultimate control. The idea of a shadow ban is that you ban someone but they don’t know they’ve been banned, because they keep posting and no one sees their content. So they just think that no one is engaging with their content, when in reality, no one is seeing it.”

      “Yeah, if they said this is: ‘Pro-Trump’ I don’t want it because it offends me, this, that. And I say I banned this whole thing, and it goes over here and they are like, ‘Oh you know what? I don’t like it too. You know what? Mo’s right, let’s go, let’s carry on, what’s next?'”

      Where are these edits located in these clips? Did O'Keefe do a whole Alfred Hitchcock's 'Rope' thing where he zoomed in on their backs to create black frames for his cuts? Because I must have missed it.

    29. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump seems confused. Shows he's not quite sure of what his government is up to when he tweets: "‘House votes on controversial FISA ACT today.’ This is the act that may have been used, with the help of the discredited and phony Dossier, to so badly surveil and abuse the Trump Campaign by the previous administration and others?”

      There is a deliberate separation between the Justice Department, Intelligence Community and the Office of the President so it is very conceivable that the president would not be given information about exactly how the surveillance on his campaign was carried out even if he asked. And with the Russia investigation he would probably be advised by his lawyers not to even ask about it officially since it could be perceived as obstruction of justice and the press would have a field day after it was leaked. All of that separation makes it very difficult for Trump to craft any surveillance reforms even if he wanted to.

    30. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Only the ones made form asbestos.

      Aww crap.

      --
      If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
    31. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by youngone · · Score: 1

      I'm sure Mr. Trump is confused. He probably had it all explained to him, as if that would help him understand.

    32. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 1

      The Acorn videos leap immediately to mind.

    33. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which were not produced by Project Veritas, which did not exist as an organization at the time, came out nearly a decade ago, and even Snopes admits were "mixed" accuracy.

      Washington Post and New York Times lie to me on a weekly basis. It's important to be skeptical, but I know who I'm more skeptical of.

    34. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cool. How about these videos? Or the CNN ones?

      O'Keefe made a fool of himself on television by dressing like a pimp in the 2000s. That doesn't invalidate video evidence of a Twitter engineer admitting systemic discrimination on their platform against conservative voices. Unless you can tell me how these videos are dishonest and what the employee in question was ACTUALLY saying, I have no reason to doubt their veracity.

      If you can I'd be happy to hear it, but I suspect you're just a bootlicker who doesn't think that lefties ever do anything wrong.

    35. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice bait "hacking the election". Excellent revisionism, goal post shifting, and putting words in peoples' mouths.

    36. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by NettiWelho · · Score: 1

      We're aware of the story. But we need credible sources to corroborate the claims before we run it here.

      This must be a joke, have you guys not read what you let on the front page??

    37. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      Care to provide an example of an edit in a Project Veritas video that wildly changed the context of the statement?

      Dishonest from start to finish.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com...

      http://www.nationalreview.com/...

      https://www.snopes.com/2016/10...

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    38. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by NettiWelho · · Score: 0

      Nice bait "hacking the election". Excellent revisionism, goal post shifting, and putting words in peoples' mouths.

      Except grandparent is right, there were a large amount of literal fake news on slashdot about russia hacking the election

    39. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by MellowBob · · Score: 1

      Bush... retarded. Reagan... Alzheimer... Trump.. has to be explained everything... even though he's made billions, and lost billions, too. And he still won't understand. Give him a pacifier and something shiny or maybe a gorilla TV show.

    40. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      So how did this person you liberals like to describe get elected? You describe him as the dumbest man in the world and yet he out smarted all of the liberal media with ease. You self righteous liberals call everyone who voted for him a racist because it's easy to throw that word around without evidence which says a lot about the accuser. He trolled the media for 2 years and now you believe every word that is said? sigh.

      BTW i am an ex-liberal during the campaign i saw what Trump was saying vs what the media was saying he said and i thought why are they doing this? For 2 fucking years the media lied completely about what he was saying WHY? Is it noble for liberals to lie?
      Was it fear because he was not chosen by the ruling class and the country might have the first president that wasn't in a long time? I don't like how he behaves but what makes any one think Hillary would be a great leader?
      The most corrupt and most hated candidate with a laundry list of scandals is the best choice of president because she is a female that's it?
      Where was this demand for a female leader when Obama was chosen while Hillary was leading the democratic party by a significant margin?
      People on the left treated Obama's rise like it was a miracle it wasn't it was CASH, money swings elections in America effortlessly. Your hatred for Trump grew because he was not spending hundreds of millions dollars from unknown donors like Hillary did because he is the stupidest man on earth?

      If the Left took time to look at what Trump did and not just what he was accused of there is reason not see him as an enemy and a fool.
      He destroyed Jeb Bush and the usual republican candidates (against the left's constant predictions the Trump was finished) The christian right one of the left's biggest opponents had no candidate because of Trump and were silenced for a change.
      Despite your lies Trump was always anti-war Hillary wanted war with Russia and the Republicans had a list of countries they wanted war with.
      It seems to me the Left just wants to keep America on a downward spiral and destroy it because they hate themselves.

    41. Re:Even More Interesting Than This... by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      Ahh, no
      Remember all three work for HIM now, and any confusion is due to unwillingness to learn, inability to learn, or incapacity to store data

  2. Bullshit. There have been worse stories published. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bullshit. There have been worse stories published without credibility.

  3. FISA Section 702 = Mass surveillance on Americans by bigpat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Until there are meaningful restrictions and requirements to report "incidental" collections of Americans communications then we know this still law and others are being used for mass surveillance of Americans on American soil.

    When congress yet again passes the buck on this law it will be up to the President to step up and order those restrictions and reporting be put into place.

  4. Glad I was already using VPN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm glad I already started encrypting all my traffic due to net neutrality. Now i can just adjust my VPN endpoint server from somewhere in the states to a country that is more privacy friendly

  5. Re:Bullshit. There have been worse stories publish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like yesterday's and the day before's "bricking" stories.

  6. Re:FISA Section 702 = Mass surveillance on America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Governments tend to look favorably on laws that give themselves more power.

    Don't expect the government to go out of their way to ensure that civilian concerns are recognized, nor to go out of their way to ensure that they don't abuse their own power. It isn't in their nature to do either of these things.

  7. Re:FISA Section 702 = Mass surveillance on America by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When congress yet again passes the buck on this law it will be up to the President to step up and order those restrictions and reporting be put into place.

    Unfortunately one of the few examples of bipartisanship coming out of Washington over the past decade or so has been the continual support for the erosion of Americans' rights in the name of fighting terrorism.

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  8. This is.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is EXACTLY why the people *MUST* have access to unbreakable encryption. The government doesn't have any right to know when someone's spouse asks them to pick up milk on their way home!

    1. Re:This is.... by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile, those who do have nefarious plans have access to unbreakable encryption, and aren't going to stop using it just because congress passes a law.

      Hell, even from a conservative point of view it should be obvious that businesses outside the US are still going to use it, and win an advantage over law-abiding US businesses who won't.

    2. Re:This is.... by bobbied · · Score: 1

      This is EXACTLY why the people *MUST* have access to unbreakable encryption. The government doesn't have any right to know when someone's spouse asks them to pick up milk on their way home!

      You have access to unbreakable encryption now..

      The ONLY unbreakable encryption technique is a one time use pad that uses truly random data for the pad.

      All you need is a way to generate and distribute the pads securely...

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    3. Re:This is.... by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Hey! How did you know I picked up milk on the way home last night?

      --
      If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
  9. Re:FISA Section 702 = Mass surveillance on America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When congress yet again passes the buck on this law it will be up to the President to step up and order those restrictions and reporting be put into place.

    So it's a done deal then. Until the courts step up and find these laws unconstitutional. And since no one can "prove standing", it's a done deal then.

  10. Take that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    as way to get around encryption.

  11. A win for big government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You wanted it, you got it.

  12. Re: FISA Section 702 = Mass surveillance on Americ by bigpat · · Score: 2

    Somewhat encouraging to see President Trump express some push back and to see 183 votes for some reform.

    President Trump could easily just order additional reforms himself, or at least order a report on how many Americans are getting their communications swept up without a warrant.

  13. Vote by Stud+McPeckChest · · Score: 2

    Here is a breakdown of the vote. I wish news outlets would simply provide a link to this and make life easier.

    1. Re:Vote by arth1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      It would have been better if you had posted the link to the right roll. The one you posted is about rapid DNA analysis, not the counter individual network act. Try http://clerk.house.gov/evs/201...
      And weep.

    2. Re:Vote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So depressing that out of 412 votes, the only NAYs protecting privacy are Thomas Massie and Justin Amash.
      Not one single democrat voted NAY. Pathetic all around (Massie & Amash, excepted of course).

    3. Re:Vote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This must not be the right roll call vote either (410-2). The vote in the article summary was 256-164.

    4. Re:Vote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Liberal biased media outlets don't want you to know the names of the Democrats that voted Yea, like Nancy Pelosi.

    5. Re:Vote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pathetic all around (Massie & Amash, excepted of course).

      No, Massie and Amash are also pathetic.

      For example, Massie's vituperations against the US Department of Education making funding choices, when in reality, the vast majority of school spending is determined at the state and local level. Or Amash's various lies about health insurance, abortion, or the Federal Reserve.

      And of course, they will pony up to the party line when it makes a difference. The occasional stand-out vote that does nothing?

      Pathetic.

    6. Re:Vote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You linked to the wrong roll call. Here is the correct one.

    7. Re:Vote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right. Here is the right one: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2018/roll016.xml

    8. Re:Vote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, OP was right. There was a vote to replace the text of S.139 with the text of H.4478 (actually is was the Rules Committee Print 115-53 which contained H.4478). This is documented on the House floor activities page of Office of the Clerk of the House of Representatives. So the roll call vote for S.139 was actually a vote for H.4478, the FISA Amendments Reauthorization Act. Do try to keep up.

    9. Re:Vote by pots · · Score: 1

      Thank you, the parent had confused me for a minute there.

    10. Re: Vote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meanwhile republicans bitch about big government but then turn around and pass this. Fucking hypocrites.

    11. Re: Vote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Republican are fascists, remember. OF COURSE, they would vote to spy on all Americans. The 45 R's that didn't are obviously RINOs. What's puzzling, though, is why the house minority leader, Nancy Pelosi, (D-CA) and 64 other Dems would throw their lot in with the fascists? After all, the Democrats are the party individual rights and civil liberties, right? RIGHT?

    12. Re:Vote by bigpat · · Score: 1

      It would have been better if you had posted the link to the right roll. The one you posted is about rapid DNA analysis, not the counter individual network act. Try http://clerk.house.gov/evs/201...
      And weep.

      Funny enough the "Rapid DNA Act of 2017 is actually the http://clerk.house.gov/evs/201...">correct roll call. The text of what was on the schedule as the "Rapid DNA Act of 2017 was completely replaced with the text for the FISA 702 extension.

      This was the Amash amendment Roll Call for the amendment that would have included some privacy protections.

      Apparently it is a somewhat common practice that bills get swapped out in this fashion. It threw me at first also.

    13. Re:Vote by bigpat · · Score: 1

      It would have been better if you had posted the link to the right roll. The one you posted is about rapid DNA analysis, not the counter individual network act. Try http://clerk.house.gov/evs/201...
      And weep.

      Sorry copy paste screwed up... but yes it was the Rapid DNA Act of 2017
      that was the FISA extension. Passed 256 to 164

    14. Re:Vote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, it is confusing. I had no idea that Congress could take the text of one bill (S.139) and completely replace it with another bill's text (H.4478), but make it look like they were voting on the first one because of the way the roll call votes appears in the Congressional record. I can only assume this is to deceive the public by giving cover to the representatives who voted yea on a controversial bill.

    15. Re:Vote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Apparently it is a somewhat common practice that bills get swapped out in this fashion. It threw me at first also.

      I dunno how common it is, but it sure seems shady.

      Consider that S.139, the Rapid DNA Act of 2017, was introduced in the Senate in Jan. 2017. https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/s139 and passed the Senate in May 2017.

      Meanwhile in the House there was an identical bill named Rapid DNA Act of 2017 (H.510) that was also introduced in Jan 2017 and passed the House also in May 2017. H.510 then went on to the Senate for a vote and was passed in Aug of 2017 and subsequently signed into law by President Obama a little over two weeks later.

      So the Rapid DNA Act of 2017 is already a law!

      The Senate version, S.139, sent to the House and was in limbo until it was put on the House calendar on Jan 5, 2018.

      Why consider a bill that was already made into law?

      Why not just put H.4478, the FISA reauthorization of section 702 amendment on the calendar and vote on it instead?

      Why engage in this seeming trickery to obscure what it is the House is really voting on?

    16. Re:Vote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >President Obama

      Jesus fuck. It was the Orange One.

    17. Re:Vote by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Now that is just twisted. How are we to know what our representatives voted for and against, if the bill has nothing to do with the bill?

      If a congresscritter shows as having voted NAY for "allow offshore oil drilling", and AYE on "increase NASA Earth Science funding", he might have voted for warrantless surveillance and against the right of immigrants to have abortion?

    18. Re:Vote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Apparently it is a somewhat common practice that bills get swapped out in this fashion. It threw me at first also.

      I dunno how common it is, but it sure seems shady.

      Consider that S.139, the Rapid DNA Act of 2017, was introduced in the Senate in Jan. 2017. https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/s139 and passed the Senate in May 2017.

      Meanwhile in the House there was an identical bill named Rapid DNA Act of 2017 (H.510) that was also introduced in Jan 2017 and passed the House also in May 2017. H.510 then went on to the Senate for a vote and was passed in Aug of 2017 and subsequently signed into law by President Obama a little over two weeks later.

      So the Rapid DNA Act of 2017 is already a law!

      The Senate version, S.139, sent to the House and was in limbo until it was put on the House calendar on Jan 5, 2018.

      Why consider a bill that was already made into law?

      Why not just put H.4478, the FISA reauthorization of section 702 amendment on the calendar and vote on it instead?

      Why engage in this seeming trickery to obscure what it is the House is really voting on?

      Plausible deniability?

    19. Re:Vote by Stud+McPeckChest · · Score: 1

      Ooh, thanks for that. I apologize.

  14. When the fuck?! by Hugh+Jorgen · · Score: 0

    Did the government become this self-serving entity with career politicians (thieves). The days of governing for the people are long fucking gone, no wonder they want a gun grab, these cockers know some people are sick and tired of being fucked out of their hard earned money and liberties.

    1. Re: When the fuck?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh, it is you who just now notices. Better late than never I suppose.

      As to the rest of you assholes: never give the Gov of which they can do easily take away later

  15. Thanks Obama !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See how that works.

  16. Re: FISA Section 702 = Mass surveillance on Americ by p4nther2004 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Much of the opposition came from Democrats, though the vote did produce a striking coalition of conservatives and liberals who backed an alternative that would have imposed stricter protections for Americans whose information got snared in the data dragnet. https://m.washingtontimes.com/...

  17. Jesuit-CIA getting bold again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure let's go back to our plan because the Jews are in the crosshairs of God again right?

    Fuck both of you dickheads heading for a monolithic planet. You will die first.

    Nations=modular. Smart people here figure it out and explain it to idiots. thx

    1. Re:Jesuit-CIA getting bold again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By the way, Jesuits are not fully fucked yet. More later.

  18. Re:FISA Section 702 = Mass surveillance on America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The restrictions are ridiculous to begin to begin with. Snowden told us how this all works, and it's one giant distributed database which is used by everyone in the "5-eyes". Just like you can spy on Canadians, Canadians can spy on you, and all the data ends up in the same place.
    That means anyone in the 5 eyes can query the database, and everyone contributes to it.

    The real issue here is the database itself existing at this point, not what goes into it.

  19. 65 democrats voted for it by fustakrakich · · Score: 0

    That's why it passed. The party is worthless to anybody outside the circle.

    --
    “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    1. Re:65 democrats voted for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right. The 191 Republicans who voted for it are blameless here.

      Those darned Democrats! Even when they don't control the House, Congress or the Senate they're responsible for everything bad that happens.

    2. Re:65 democrats voted for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you share a link to the final vote?

      Thanks!

    3. Re:65 democrats voted for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/115-2018/h16

      Don't let the bill name fool ya. There was House resolution passed prior to the vote to replace the text of S.139 with the text of H.4478 (the FISA reauthorization amendment). I dunno why the House did that, other than to try and obscure from voters what they were truly voting on.

    4. Re: 65 democrats voted for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Typical republican shit talk. What happen to the buck stops here? Down with big government? Yea just a bunch of shit talkers and liars as usual.

    5. Re: 65 democrats voted for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even when I thought it was those lousy immigrants I knew it was really the stinking Democrats! Two legs baaaad, four legs good!

    6. Re:65 democrats voted for it by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Hmmm.. Bipartisan support and you and Rand Paul (R) are pissed off.. .Nice...

      Might there be a valid reason we need this law that both parties in congress actually recognizes? Need this always be attributed to some nefarious intent?

      Have your temper tantrum but your best way to block this is in the Senate anyway. You can count on Rand Paul to oppose this, just get the democrats to vote as a block and this is scuttled...

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    7. Re:65 democrats voted for it by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      We all expected the republicans to vote for it, but 44 didn't. With those votes the democrats could have stopped it, but didn't. In truth they're not really against it. So they throw in just enough votes to squeeze it through, and make various excuses. You can save your breath, the renewals will pass no matter who is swinging the gavel.

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    8. Re:65 democrats voted for it by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Might there be a valid reason we need this law that both parties in congress actually recognizes?

      No, but I have always acknowledge that the majority isn't really against it. Doesn't make it right, but that's the way the cookie crumbles.

      Need this always be attributed to some nefarious intent?

      History speaks for itself. It's just the way people play. *I can accept that*.

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    9. Re:65 democrats voted for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Flamebait)

      :-) Yep, I fully expected the democrats to impotently rage over that one. It was worth the sacrifice to see it. Fact is, running back to them only amounts to putting the mask back on. Whatever...

  20. Rand Paul plans to filibuster in the Senate by schwit1 · · Score: 4, Informative
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/10...

    Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., is prepared to filibuster the reauthorization of Section 702 of the Federal Intelligence Surveillance Act, which is up for a vote in the House to authorize a six-year extension, in an effort to get warrant requirement for Americans.

    “My worry is that they also collect information on millions of Americans, and I don’t want that database to be searched without a warrant,” “I will filibuster and do whatever to stop that,” he added.

    In the event that protections were included for U.S. citizens’ private information, Paul said he would support reauthorizing Section 702.

    1. Re:Rand Paul plans to filibuster in the Senate by zlives · · Score: 1

      Trump was targeted by this... lets see how Putin tells him to feel about it.

    2. Re:Rand Paul plans to filibuster in the Senate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Disclaimer: I live in Kentucky.

      It doesn't matter if there is a warrant requirement or not, once it's collected, it's searchable by them warrant or not. Any decent network tech will tell you that. (The old adage about "who owns your data is whoever owns the servers it's sitting on".) That collected data can be completely innocent when it was collected initially, only for it to become damming by public opinion decades later. Making it searchable isn't going to help anyone other than a society that already can't let go of the past and move on, torment an innocent individual.

      They need to be told to cut the domestic crap completely, and not even have the capability in place either. You want to intercept and collect data domestically? Get search warrant from a judge and place the warrant into public records. Then you can get anything that that warrant allows. No more and no less. That's the only way to "protect our freedoms," by ensuring checks and balances that the public can criticize and make changes to if needed. That's democracy, not the "cloak and dagger against your own citizens" crap.

    3. Re:Rand Paul plans to filibuster in the Senate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good for him, but let's be clear: if you need a warrant to search for US citizens' info, then you will also need it for non-citizens.

      "Equal protection of the laws", and all that. I'm frankly disappointed in Paul for not being honest about this. I thought constitutionality was supposed to be his thing.

    4. Re:Rand Paul plans to filibuster in the Senate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually he wasn't, KISLYAK was targeted. Trump was just dumb enough to have his associates talking with him about treason.

    5. Re:Rand Paul plans to filibuster in the Senate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Big Giant Orange Head is against warrantless surveillance!
      Big Giant Orange Head is for warrantless surveillance!

      Big Giant Orange Head is against executive orders!
      Big Giant Orange Head is for executive orders!

      Big Giant Orange Head is against the Saudis!
      Big Giant Orange Head is for the Saudis!

      Big Giant Orange Head is for abortion!
      Big Giant Orange Head is against abortion!

      ...does this President have any position he hasn't flip-flopped on?
      Well, there's always Russia, and his Bestie Vlad the Elector.

    6. Re:Rand Paul plans to filibuster in the Senate by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      Sorry about your boy Moore

  21. Soviet Amerika working for FSB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The NSA cant even keep Russia from getting into their shit according to the BBC.

    What a GREAT fucking system you guys have there.

    1. Re:Soviet Amerika working for FSB by PoopJuggler · · Score: 1

      It's not great, it sucks, and we can blame the cowardly mindless morons who played right into Osama Bin Laden's hand after 9/11. This is exactly what he wanted.

  22. Re:FISA Section 702 = Mass surveillance on America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, because he's a master of fine detail, much given to inserting his own riders and line items in the bills he receives.
    </sarcasm>

  23. Smarty McFartypants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Vituperation isn't a fucking word. Stop making shit up.

  24. Tech Companies Must Fight Back Hard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    with strong encryption that works the way it suppose to. Unbreakable.

  25. Re: FISA Section 702 = Mass surveillance on Americ by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

    Except his second tweet said that he didn't support the privacy exceptions and his concern was the ability of government to "unmask" americans colluding with foreign governments.

    Don't fool yourself, Trump fully supports this as do most of the Republicans and Democrats. There are a few people on both sides opposing the bill and pushing the privacy protections but if counted by party (which you shouldn't) more Democrats wanted the privacy restrictions than Republicans.

  26. Alleged small government Republicans strike again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    N/T

  27. It's fine to report it. by poity · · Score: 1

    You can report it the same way the news media reports Trump stories:

    "Industry experts are reacting to reports of alleged [...] from anonymous sources who claim to be close to the individuals at the event who also wish to remain anonymous."

    Good enough for Pulitzer Prize winning news outlets, good enough for Slashdot.

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  28. What a JOKE Slashdot editorial has become by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So senior Twitter engineers specifically describing shadowbanning on video is not a credible source? I know you guys want to model the Soviet Ministry of Truth, but this is really over the top!

  29. Re: FISA Section 702 = Mass surveillance on Americ by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 2

    President Trump express some push back

    He also announced his support for the program 10 minutes after he expressed pushback.

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  30. We're the Government! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You voted us in.

    We can do whatever the **** we want, to whomever the **** we want, whenever the **** we want!

    WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT!

    PS. We don't have to censor ourselves whenever we say FUCK!

  31. USPS may see a brighter future. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this to force us back to using email mail? Our federal deficit being what it is it would help recreate much needed income.
    Next we tax income from yard sales.