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Within Next Five Years Your Pizzas Will Probably Be Delivered by Autonomous Cars, Domino's Pizza CEO Says (thestreet.com)

In an interview with The Street, Domino's Pizza outgoing CEO Patrick Doyle said in three to five years at the earliest he expects driverless cars and voice orders to shift the way the world orders pizza. From the report: "We have been investing in natural voice for ordering for a few years. We rolled that out in our own apps before Amazon launched Alexa and Alphabet launched Google Home...[and] we are making investments...to understand how consumers will want to interact with autonomous vehicles and pizza delivery," Doyle said.

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  1. Saw it first on Black Mirror by cloud.pt · · Score: 1

    title says it all

    1. Re:Saw it first on Black Mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hopefully they have better positional sensors and don't run over people...

    2. Re:Saw it first on Black Mirror by OzPeter · · Score: 0

      title says it all

      Yeah .. but just remember to kill the hamster!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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    3. Re:Saw it first on Black Mirror by vtcodger · · Score: 2

      Hopefully they have better positional sensors and don't run over people..

      Probably not in five years. More like ten. But when automated delivery does come about, it'll probably be done by three or four wheeled electric "motorbikes" that won't give up your pizza without a credit card swipe or scanning currency into their "vault". While being run into by one of those things won't be a lot of fun, it probably won't be like being run over by a car.

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    4. Re:Saw it first on Black Mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It makes sense that they could deploy this sort of tech for online orders via website or app that have already prepaid. I'm betting that 5 or 10 years from now, paying with digital currency will be even more ubiquitous than it is today.

    5. Re:Saw it first on Black Mirror by Barsteward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think i want to walk out into the street to pick up my pizza when its raining/snowing. I want a delivery to the door.

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    6. Re:Saw it first on Black Mirror by vtcodger · · Score: 1

      Sure. And I'd like to be able to buy a dumb TV that didn't take 20-40 seconds to come to life when turned on then present me with an incomprehensible menu. Guess what. "THEY" have decided that I don't really want/need that so they aren't going to make it.

      THEY will likely decide that you need the exercise of walking out to the curb to get your dinner.

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    7. Re:Saw it first on Black Mirror by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Sure you can buy a "dumb" TV. It's called a monitor.

      If you don't have cable, just hook it up to an external HDTV tuner with HDMI-out.

    8. Re:Saw it first on Black Mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was thinking the same thing until i remembered i have never ordered pizza from Dominos to many better options where i live.
      I live in Canada and the idea of putting on gear in winter to get a delivered meal does not appeal to me or i may as well get it myself.

    9. Re:Saw it first on Black Mirror by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1
    10. Re:Saw it first on Black Mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I'd like to be able to buy a dumb TV that didn't take 20-40 seconds to come to life when turned on then present me with an incomprehensible menu.

      If this describes an actual 'smart' TV that you bought, you didn't make a very 'smart' choice.

      My Finlux takes about 10s to start, and comes back on the source it was last on (typically the Cable box). On the rare occasions I do need to use the menus they are well laid out and the options clearly described.

    11. Re:Saw it first on Black Mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Finlux, what type of shit brand is that?

    12. Re:Saw it first on Black Mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I'd like to be able to buy a dumb TV that didn't take 20-40 seconds to come to life when turned on then present me with an incomprehensible menu.

      If this describes an actual 'smart' TV that you bought, you didn't make a very 'smart' choice.

      My Finlux takes about 10s to start, and comes back on the source it was last on (typically the Cable box). On the rare occasions I do need to use the menus they are well laid out and the options clearly described.

      Often you don't find out the real problems with the UI and UX of digital gear until you've had it set up and used it for a at least a few hours. The reviews rarely go into this sort of detail and the advertising will certainly gloss over anything that looks like a problem.

    13. Re:Saw it first on Black Mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hopefully they have better positional sensors and don't run over people..

      Probably not in five years. More like ten. But when automated delivery does come about, it'll probably be done by three or four wheeled electric "motorbikes" that won't give up your pizza without a credit card swipe or scanning currency into their "vault". While being run into by one of those things won't be a lot of fun, it probably won't be like being run over by a car.

      You could probably automate the process of creating the pizza by then as well, if not sooner. Then the car only goes back for spare materials...
      Run the car on propane and you could swap out bottles as needed, then recharge them in the store.

      I could just see it. Hacked pizza cars, that make and deliver food without paying... The hackers could even "refill" the ingredients...

    14. Re: Saw it first on Black Mirror by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      Wtf? My Samsung plasma smart TV is on within 8 seconds. Fuck, my Harmony remote system takes 12 seconds. What shit are you buying and why isn't this your fault? This isn't typical.

  2. Better than the zombies the currently use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And you don't have to tip

    1. Re:Better than the zombies the currently use by DickBreath · · Score: 0

      The hidden cost, sort of like Walmart's "low prices" is that it will create other problems in society with ever increasing unemployment. There will be fewer but better paying jobs. The rest will stay home busy creating more unemployable children.

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    2. Re:Better than the zombies the currently use by gtall · · Score: 1

      I think what we need here are robots to order the pizzas and then some other robots to eat it for us. It's a bit like the Electric Monk in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency, it believes things for us.

    3. Re:Better than the zombies the currently use by ahodgson · · Score: 1

      Exactly. At one point did we decide our economy exists to serve machines and not us?

    4. Re:Better than the zombies the currently use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The hidden cost, sort of like Walmart's "low prices" is that it will create other problems in society with ever increasing unemployment. There will be fewer but better paying jobs. The rest will stay home busy creating more unemployable children.

      Driving down ("optimizing") labor rates relies heavily on uncertainty of one's true labor market value, their peers' and their coworkers'. If people shared their labor/compensation rates more openly, much of this strategy used by businesses would no longer work.

      Sure, those cost "savings" would be translated back into products/services but at that point, I feel there's a lot more transparency about a businesses practices that can be judged far easier by price points. Unfortunately, everyone is worried they may get paid less if their peers get paid more and they like to portray uncertainty socially in what they're valued at. The cost of vanity, pride, and greed is quite high.

  3. So I have to walk out and not have it at the door? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 5, Informative

    So I have to walk out and not have it at the door? I may as well pick it up or better yet pay more for better pizza at some other place.

  4. Works for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No more awkward figuring out what a late pizza delivered by a 29 year old man-child smelling like they bathed in pot deserves for a tip.

    1. Re:Works for me by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      A gram. Two if he's cute.

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    2. Re:Works for me by coolmoe2 · · Score: 1

      I volunteer to be your exclusive pizza delivery driver. I admire your idea of a tip.

    3. Re:Works for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      two? I dunno where you live but that's like the price of a whole pizza in NYC area.

    4. Re:Works for me by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

      You call that awkward? Dude, if you can smell it on him, that means he can't smell it on you!

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    5. Re:Works for me by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Plus delivery boy?

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    6. Re:Works for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like a line from a bad comedian was the next joke about airline food?
      I have seen people of all ages deliver food and never have i know their exact age or smelt any drugs or booze on them but then i never order from dominos and curb delivery will not change that.

    7. Re:Works for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A gram. Two if he's cute.

      Cue 70's gay porn music and moustaches.

      Bow-chika-bow-wow!

      Got a website? ;-)

  5. Doubt it - desperate people power food delivery by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Part of the reason delivery works today is that shops rely on people desperate enough to try to make tip money as drivers during slow hours, essentially burning up gas, smokes and their own car shuttling food around town. If shops had to buy and maintain a couple of high-tech, breakdown-prone cars instead of letting a couple of near-deadbeats hang around the back door I can see their profit margins taking a dive.

    1. Re:Doubt it - desperate people power food delivery by hipp5 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Quick, someone call the CEO of the pizza chain with 11,000 stores and tell him he's making a huge mistake! He needs to see OP's post ASAP so that he can take its lesson on pizza economics to heart and avoid making a grave mistake on his company's future.

    2. Re:Doubt it - desperate people power food delivery by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

      The CEO could give two shits if he's pushing the costs off on franchise owners. It's the local owners whose margins would be shaved.

      Take a look at this then get back to us:
      https://biz.dominos.com/web/public/franchise
      http://lmgtfy.com/?q=franchise

    3. Re:Doubt it - desperate people power food delivery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know where you live, but in the few countries I've lived in the food delivery is done on companies vehicles (usually small motorbikes). I've always lived in cities, so it may change in the suburbs, but what you are describing is not, at least, the unique scenario.

    4. Re:Doubt it - desperate people power food delivery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's exactly the point. The CEO makes the decision, and the franchise owners suck it up. If they don't, then they lose the franchise.

      Just look at McDonalds' all day breakfast. Many franchise owners hated it because breakfast items didn't have the same markup so they were losing money. The end result was that they dealt with the loss. http://www.businessinsider.com/mcdonalds-franchisees-say-all-day-breakfast-is-a-nightmare-2015-10

    5. Re:Doubt it - desperate people power food delivery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two posts, and both are insufferable, know-it-all platitudes. Nice work, tool.

    6. Re:Doubt it - desperate people power food delivery by ebrandsberg · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I wonder if someone will take up the banner and provide a food delivery service for many restaurants, so that each store doesn't have to buy their own vehicles. Oh wait... https://www.ubereats.com

    7. Re:Doubt it - desperate people power food delivery by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      I wonder if someone will take up the banner and provide a food delivery service for many restaurants, so that each store doesn't have to buy their own vehicles. Oh wait... https://www.ubereats.com/

      Or Grubhub and countless other businesses. Hell, we had something like that 25 years ago when I was a little kid. It's not at all a new concept.

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    8. Re:Doubt it - desperate people power food delivery by sdinfoserv · · Score: 1

      I agree with you - back in the early 80's, while in college I worked at a Godfathers Pizza. We delivered and used company cars. (Chevy Citations, if remember). When the cars would brake down, we would refuse to drive our own vehicles because it cost us money, decreasing our take home. It astonishes me today that anyone would use their own vehicle for delivery, the payback isn't there unless you're desperate.
      Fast forward to today, people are willing to take on the expense and liability of using their own vehicles for work. It's a huge win for corporations. If all of a sudden companies start using their own vehicles for pizza deliver, the liability and expense will be enormous. The deeper the pockets, the higher the lawsuit rate. Just wait for a corporate owned autonomous vehicle to kill someone on the road - it will happen. The judgment and ultimate liability, along with cost of implementing a new technology and your maintaining their own corporate fleet will kill this. Remember, it's about profit, not what's cute or fun.

    9. Re:Doubt it - desperate people power food delivery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Part of the reason people go to restaurants is to interact with people. They want to talk to a Maitre de or a bartender or a waitress. And don't start with me on drive-throughs. THere's no people there at all. Just a menu and a speaker and little window. This fast-food idea is just a fluke, a craze. Once it burns out these burger places will blow away like yesterday's newspaper.

      News flash: People HATE dealing with other people and they hate waiting and if they need to pay a little more so they do neither they will.

    10. Re:Doubt it - desperate people power food delivery by theNetImp · · Score: 1

      In the US dominos uses the car of the employee. They pay the employee X per mile for gas and maintenance. Most small mom and pop pizza joints also use the employee cars, same with most chinese restaurants. Very few delivery places in the US own their own vehicles.

    11. Re:Doubt it - desperate people power food delivery by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Part of the reason delivery works today is that shops rely on people desperate enough to try to make tip money as drivers during slow hours

      What is wrong with America that you have to tip for a company to survive. Also having worked for a Pizza joint for 3 years ... you pay for your own gas, and WTF don't you get a company car with advertising? What the heck is wrong with you.

    12. Re:Doubt it - desperate people power food delivery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Around here, Domino's has their own cars with little Domino advertisements bolted to their tops. They don't do that where you are? So, of the three things you mentioned, only the smokes are being burned on the driver's dime as one would reasonably expect.

    13. Re:Doubt it - desperate people power food delivery by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2

      , people are willing to take on the expense and liability of using their own vehicles for work.

      Like the Uber and Lyft cab companies?

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    14. Re:Doubt it - desperate people power food delivery by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      Didn't you know that every Slashdot poster is far more knowledgeable about any subject than people who have spent years or even decades working in their field?

    15. Re:Doubt it - desperate people power food delivery by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that they're not generally insured properly, much like the Uber drivers.

    16. Re:Doubt it - desperate people power food delivery by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      You're assuming that the CEO is truly interested in autonomous vehicles, and not just chasing the latest trend just to get some free publicity for his brand.

    17. Re:Doubt it - desperate people power food delivery by RyoShin · · Score: 1

      Hell, we had something like that 25 years ago when I was a little kid. It's not at all a new concept.

      Perhaps, but right now they're a dime-a-dozen (I work in fast food accounting, tracking things like payments from these services.) In two or three years these will probably consolidate down to four or five national/regional plus some local operations, but at the moment it's a minor gold rush.

    18. Re:Doubt it - desperate people power food delivery by swillden · · Score: 1

      I agree with you - back in the early 80's, while in college I worked at a Godfathers Pizza. We delivered and used company cars. (Chevy Citations, if remember).

      What you're talking about isn't a difference between the 80s and now, but a difference between pizza places. Godfather's still uses company cars.

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  6. How will they come to the door? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The whole point is not leaving the house. Iâ(TM)m not interested in going to the lobby or the curb to get my food delivery. If Iâ(TM)m going to put my shoes on and go out Iâ(TM)ll just go to the supermarket and get real food.

  7. Maybe no tip... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...but you will have a $10 delivery charge. Those robots are not cheap to buy or maintain.

    1. Re:Maybe no tip... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Those robots are not cheap to buy or maintain.

      Actually, they are cheap. Most cars already have power steering and braking, so no new actuators are needed. Just some cameras and some software. Software has a high NRE, but near zero marginal cost.

      5 megapixel cameras cost less than $5 each. Beginning on 1/1/2018, rear facing cameras are mandatory on all new cars, so only the front and side/oblique cameras are an additional expense.

      Lidar is expensive (~ $5000 per car) but it isn't necessary. Waymo uses it, but Tesla does not. The cost will likely drop a lot with mass production.

      Self driving capability will add between 0% and 10% to the cost of a car.

    2. Re:Maybe no tip... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Electric assisted steering is common, but brakes are still mechanical and will continue to be so for the forseeable future due to FMVSS requirements.

      "Power" brakes just means a vacuum booster provides mechanical advantage.

      As for ABS, it's not designed to bring the car to a stop. It is there to pulse the mechanical advantage.

      Yes, I am aware there are cars with electric brakes that can stop themselves... just wanted to clear up that "most" is more "a special few".

    3. Re:Maybe no tip... by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      A good chunk of the delivery charge goes to paying the delivery person. With a lot of goods becoming less and less expensive, a bigger part of the cost equation is the person selling them or facilitating the service. It's why all you can eat buffets will let people eat massive quantities of food for lower prices than many meals cost. Individual food ordering, preparation, and service uses up far more human labor that doesn't exist when making certain dishes in bulk and having customers self-serve.

      Also, Dominoes won't switch to robots if they cost more because consumers won't pay more money just for the novelty of getting a pizza delivered by robot. Similarly, Dominoes can't afford to bilk customers too much with high deliver charges because there are plenty of other pizza businesses that are going to use it as an opportunity to undercut Dominoes and get more business for themselves.

    4. Re:Maybe no tip... by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Those robots are not cheap to buy or maintain.

      Actually, they are cheap. Most cars already have power steering and braking, so no new actuators are needed. Just some cameras and some software. Software has a high NRE, but near zero marginal cost.

      5 megapixel cameras cost less than $5 each. Beginning on 1/1/2018, rear facing cameras are mandatory on all new cars, so only the front and side/oblique cameras are an additional expense.

      Lidar is expensive (~ $5000 per car) but it isn't necessary. Waymo uses it, but Tesla does not. The cost will likely drop a lot with mass production.

      Self driving capability will add between 0% and 10% to the cost of a car.

      Let's break this down a bit further to find the justification here:

      Cost of each autonomous car: $25K (assuming your estimates only increasing the cost slightly) x number of cars (5) per location: $125K

      Annual vehicle costs (maintenance, fuel/electricity, etc.): this varies depending on type of car (EV vs. IC), but I'd estimate $15 - 25K for each. These vehicles will be driven damn near every single day in stop-and-go city traffic. Total annual vehicle costs: $75 - $125K

      Now, let's not forget about the inevitable; when an autonomous car screws up and causes an accident. There is no driver behind the wheel, just a rich corporation who owns an asset that harmed or killed someone. Liability insurance good enough to insulate the corporation: $10 - 25K per year (rough estimate, this could be far more, all depends on how shitty rush-to-market autonomous solutions prove to be)

      Total annual cost: upwards of $275K per year.

      Now, let's look at the traditional alternative; hiring a handful of human drivers at $10/hour who own and maintain their own car, pay for their own gas, and carry their own commercial insurance rider.

      Tell me again how the hell autonomous solutions are worth it from a business perspective?

    5. Re:Maybe no tip... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Flash LiDAR is only $5k? I guess price points must have dropped considerably because when I was quoted for one of Velodyne's FLASH LiDAR packages just a couple years back, it was $60k+. As you mention, LiDAR not always required as there's other methods for localization.

      There are a lot of hidden costs this discussion is ignoring entirely. To my knowledge, delivery staff typically use their own vehicles to transport the pizza with little compensation. Things typically paid for by the employee (in direct cost and time): initial purchase price, maintenance, insurance rate variability, fuel based on efficiency, expenses due to accidents (for which they may not be at fault), and to reiterate, personal time involved in juggling all of these endeavors on a piece of equipment critical to their income. It's my understanding that instead, they're typically paid a flat mileage rate to cover all expenses using figures from the government and independent assessments (like AAA's rate per mile). These figures do not include all costs involved but some of them, passing them along to the low wage employee whose ignorance on the issue is abused. In a well organized vehicle fleet where vehicles are bought in bulk, priced negotiated, service contracts exist, and uncertainty can be averaged across the budget of the pool, these rates work fairly well but not for most independent workers.

      For most their employees, I suspect the delivery companies are frankly getting a bargain where customer tips subsidize drivers' wages to extremely low rates when you consider all the hidden costs and liability risks (and their associated costs) passed along. Corporations love to pass along hidden costs to unaware employees and focus on garnishing the rest. This is more news publicity garbage and perhaps, fear mongering for "lower skilled" workers. At some point in the future when transport does become reliable and cheap, throwing humans out *will* make economic sense but as of now, to me, that doesn't seem remotely plausible in the next 5-15 years.

    6. Re:Maybe no tip... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've never actually owned a car, have you... Because if you had, you'd know about a little thing called routine maintenance. Currently, that gets taken care of by the lowly delivery driver. Yes companies typically do pay their drivers extra for such wear-and-tear, but it's really not enough. With driverless vehicles, that cost is now 100% on the company, so yes, expect the existing delivery charge fee to go up.

    7. Re:Maybe no tip... by be951 · · Score: 1

      Tell me again how the hell autonomous solutions are worth it from a business perspective?

      Not the OP, but thought I'd share a different perspective on this. Putting aside, for the moment, your cost estimates for autonomous vehicles (I'll come back to that), let's look at it from the other side. A $10/hour wage is going to cost the employer somewhere between $14-20/per hour by the time you factor in taxes, insurance (worker's comp and unemployment, I believe, are mandatory throughout the U.S., and as you mentioned, liability insurance), plus the additional fees paid to drivers for their gas/mileage/maintenance, etc.... I may be low-balling a bit, but let's call it $16/hour. And the dominoes nearby whose hours I looked at says they're open from 10:30am to 1am daily, which seems fairly typical -- 14.5 hours per day, 7 days a week comes to 5278 hours per year, but if we consider some holidays and early closing days, let's round it down to 5100. With our $16/hour number, that's $81,600 in costs avoided per year. For having one vehicle, available any time the location is open.

      Now, as for your estimates. Non-fuel costs (tires, oil, preventative maintenance) for fleet vehicles tend to run well under $100/per month even for very high mileage vehicles, but let's call it $100 since small business owners may not have all the advantages of a large fleet operation. Now, if we assume a high utilization rate of 50% (driving time) and a high average speed of 20mph, that gives us about 51000 miles per year. At 25mpg (probably on the low side), that's 2040 gallons of gas. At the current national average of $2.528, that's $5157.12 in fuel costs, or $6357.12 when combined with maintenance. Even if that's off by 100%, and the vehicle cost is $30K or more, compared to the $81K driver cost, it's still a big savings in the first year. Other considerations that might offer less obvious advantages include tax treatment of the expenditures (capital and operating expenses vs. payroll) and depreciation.

      Of course, that's the best case scenario, where we're comparing the maximum cost for having one driver available during all open hours. But it's obviously not a binary choice, in which a location has to have all autonomous vehicle or all human employee drivers. We won't even get into the discussion of whether the vehicle has to be a "car" in the normal sense, since it only has to carry food, not passengers.

    8. Re:Maybe no tip... by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Tell me again how the hell autonomous solutions are worth it from a business perspective?

      Not the OP, but thought I'd share a different perspective on this. Putting aside, for the moment, your cost estimates for autonomous vehicles (I'll come back to that), let's look at it from the other side. A $10/hour wage is going to cost the employer somewhere between $14-20/per hour by the time you factor in taxes, insurance (worker's comp and unemployment, I believe, are mandatory throughout the U.S., and as you mentioned, liability insurance), plus the additional fees paid to drivers for their gas/mileage/maintenance, etc.... I may be low-balling a bit, but let's call it $16/hour. And the dominoes nearby whose hours I looked at says they're open from 10:30am to 1am daily, which seems fairly typical -- 14.5 hours per day, 7 days a week comes to 5278 hours per year, but if we consider some holidays and early closing days, let's round it down to 5100. With our $16/hour number, that's $81,600 in costs avoided per year. For having one vehicle, available any time the location is open.

      Now, as for your estimates. Non-fuel costs (tires, oil, preventative maintenance) for fleet vehicles tend to run well under $100/per month even for very high mileage vehicles, but let's call it $100 since small business owners may not have all the advantages of a large fleet operation. Now, if we assume a high utilization rate of 50% (driving time) and a high average speed of 20mph, that gives us about 51000 miles per year. At 25mpg (probably on the low side), that's 2040 gallons of gas. At the current national average of $2.528, that's $5157.12 in fuel costs, or $6357.12 when combined with maintenance. Even if that's off by 100%, and the vehicle cost is $30K or more, compared to the $81K driver cost, it's still a big savings in the first year. Other considerations that might offer less obvious advantages include tax treatment of the expenditures (capital and operating expenses vs. payroll) and depreciation.

      Of course, that's the best case scenario, where we're comparing the maximum cost for having one driver available during all open hours. But it's obviously not a binary choice, in which a location has to have all autonomous vehicle or all human employee drivers. We won't even get into the discussion of whether the vehicle has to be a "car" in the normal sense, since it only has to carry food, not passengers.

      Thank you for taking the time to break this down. I realized that my calculations for maintenance were a bit off, and there is the matter of liability insurance for running a fleet of autonomous vehicles, but I can see the potential savings here. Even if it were merely a 10% reduction in costs to the business, the reliability factor would also probably justify it.

      I suppose now the larger question becomes a matter of tax burden; what will be the cost to a business that chooses autonomous solutions over giving humans jobs in order to fund UBI? After we deploy the Driveinator 1000, eCashier, iWaitress, and the Burgertron, there's going to be a lot of young adults out there who are unemployable. If you think back to what jobs people do today in order to fund higher education, this push to get rid of all those "lowly" positions tends to start removing the bottom half of the rungs on the Ladder of Success, making it rather impossible for anyone to climb.

      If course, once we have good-enough AI, it will be targeting highly educated and skilled positions as well, so the justification for higher learning begins to erode.

      It will be interesting to see how our economy and future survives and thrives with these "cheap" solutions. Greed tends to be short-sighted, and rarely cares about that condition.

    9. Re:Maybe no tip... by be951 · · Score: 1

      I suppose now the larger question becomes a matter of tax burden; what will be the cost to a business that chooses autonomous solutions over giving humans jobs in order to fund UBI?

      That's a good point, and something I hope we start to figure out soon.

      once we have good-enough AI, it will be targeting highly educated and skilled positions as well

      That's already happening, too. Medicine, law and other high profile, high status, well paid professions. Not quite to the same level as in this discussion where we're talking about 100% replacing the human worker. But if the smart search case law research algorithm can save the 20% of time an attorney spends doing research, he can do more of the other 80% of things he does. So where you used to need 5 lawyers, you might only need 4 now. Same kind of thing for, e.g. a radiologist. If an AI tool can help her do diagnoses much faster, maybe her hospital and/or the healthcare system in general needs fewer radiologists.

      It will be interesting to see how our economy and future survives and thrives with these "cheap" solutions.

      Indeed. I think a lot of people believe that "post scarcity" is just around the corner, but I think it will be a slower transition than many predict. The enabling tech is still advancing rapidly, but not at Moore's Law rates anymore. Hopefully, we are able to get some kind of UBI or other support system in place before widespread unemployment becomes a critical issue.

  8. The pizzas will still be awful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But, you won't have to worry about tipping the driver.

  9. Step 2 will be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Autonomous vans driving around while making pizza themselves. Dominos locations in the future will just be supply depots where vans can be restocked and serviced.

    1. Re:Step 2 will be... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You mean there will finally be a chance that the pizza is still hot when it arrives? Now THAT would be a change I could get behind!

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  10. Iâ(TM)m lolling at bitcoin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lol

  11. I doubt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pizzas are usually delivered on scooters, not in cars.

    1. Re:I doubt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not where I live. By dodgy looking characters driving beaten up Toyota Corollas

    2. Re:I doubt it by theNetImp · · Score: 1

      Yeah this is not the case in the US. Most pizza delivery is done by car in the US.

    3. Re:I doubt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't that take a lot of time? You have to walk quite a bit to get from a parking spot to most houses and apartments. With a scooter, you can usually get to the front door.

    4. Re:I doubt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the US they must have many more fences, gates, huge wasteful front yards and other restricted spaces where nobody goes, and to top it off you might get shot by the tenant or owner, who'll win their trial too.
      So, don't try to ride up to the front door on a motorbike or scooter, there might be some grumpy man with a shotgun or an octogenarian lady on a rocking chair with a sawed off, etc.

  12. Autonomous cars will increase road congestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Zero-occupancy vehicles being merely one example thereof.

    1. Re:Autonomous cars will increase road congestion by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      I fail to see the big change. Whether some pizza delivery guy is driving to me or the sans-delivery guy autonomous car, it does not generate an additional vehicle on the road. Without my pizza, the delivery guy's car is not on the road.

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    2. Re:Autonomous cars will increase road congestion by vux984 · · Score: 1

      It depends. Suppose the savings from not having a driver allows the delivery company to have 2 vehicles on the road instead of one.

      Or suppose, right now that I drop my kids off at school on the way to work. It works, but the timing isn't ideal and its not exactly on the way. In the future I can send the kids in an autonomous car, which will drop them off and then drive home empty. I can leave for work directly on my own (overlapping) schedule.

    3. Re:Autonomous cars will increase road congestion by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      Once most vehicles are zero occupancy, the congestion will decrease. The vehicles will more efficiently plan their routes combining trips. Vehicles will organize their sharing of the road. Especially intersections. If there weren't any pesky pedestrians then intersections wouldn't need traffic signals that cost over a million dollars each. (Obvious solution: ban all humans)

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    4. Re:Autonomous cars will increase road congestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they have enough pizza orders to require two cars, they already have two cars. Just buying another car with what you pay a current driver you no longer need won't generate pizza sales.

    5. Re:Autonomous cars will increase road congestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A. Banning all the humans won't happen anytime soon assuming Bender's dream doesn't come true. No politician will grab poor people's trucks for the next 15-25 years unless (s)he wants to commit political suicide. Then you'd need to get rid of all cyclists (political suicide no. 2), develop AI for various special types of vehicles (ambulances can ignore the driving rules at times and should get priority. police vehicles sometimes _should_ run over people. etc. etc.), and after all that you'd need to convince the gov officials the vehicles are safe enough from hacking to make them switch (with the recent trends on security - it seems we're going the other way around).

      B. Any efficiency improvement will be swamped by the extra use from all population who couldn't drive before + zero occupancy vehicles. As humans won't be banned for a while at the very least, the punch from the extra use will come first - so the immediate effect of AI vehicles would be many many more hours on the road.

    6. Re:Autonomous cars will increase road congestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once zero-people AI delivery is normalized, expect many businesses which didn't do any (or much) delivery before to use it - increasing use of the road. Also, a lot of people will send their own vehicles to auto-pickup pizzas to save on delivery costs. Instead of one vehicles making the rounds (in your example), you'd have many coming to the pizzeria.

    7. Re:Autonomous cars will increase road congestion by vux984 · · Score: 1

      "If they have enough pizza orders to require two cars, they already have two cars. "

      What if I only need two cars Friday night.
      No reason not to use them both Monday night to shorten waits.

      "Just buying another car with what you pay a current driver you no longer need won't generate pizza sales."

      Unless the extra short wait times on off peak translates to a competitive advantage. Lets order from XYZ... they're delivery is a lot faster.

  13. and then one there subbed out cars get's a crash by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 0

    and then one there auto cars out cars get's a crash will they pay out or hide under a system of franchisees and subbed out rent a cars?

    right now they don't really enforce the basic safety rule or pay drivers the full IRS mileage so the car up keep is poor.

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com...

    http://www.restaurant-hospital...

    http://theexaminer.com/stories...

    http://www.nytimes.com/1993/12...

  14. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Exactly this. I ordered in because I don't want to go out. Its cold. Id have to get layered up, put on boots to trudge through the snow around the building to the parking lot. Whereas you will be parked in front of the wrong building.

    I will order from someone else.

    Note to all, I do tip well especially if the weather is crappy.

  15. Sounds right ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Artificial pizza meets artificial intelligence.

    Sorry, if I'm not making my own pizza, I'm going to order from someone who makes good pizza.

    And Domino's ain't that.

    1. Re:Sounds right ... by hipp5 · · Score: 2

      Sorry, if I'm not making my own pizza, I'm going to order from someone who makes good pizza.

      And Domino's ain't that.

      Given that Domino's revenue was almost $2.5 billion in 2016, it seems like many people don't agree with you, or they do and just don't care.

    2. Re:Sounds right ... by jwhyche · · Score: 3

      Domino's pizza is just a little better than a frozen pizza. Yes, there are better pizzaria's, one of them is right down the road. Problem is they don't deliver, and are not open at 11 PM.

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    3. Re:Sounds right ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Domino's is a franchise. Whether their pizza is good or not good doesn't really matter to them, they still get franchise fees regardless of how well individual stores are doing.

      10% of the franchisees are extremely successful and are doing a lot of business. The rest are probably operating in a near constant state of loss, shuffling from owner to owner with each one pouring far more money into the business than the business takes in. But no matter what, Domino's corporate still gets their franchise fee.

    4. Re:Sounds right ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Domino's pizza is just a little better than a frozen pizza.

      I actually prefer *some* frozen pizzas to Dominos (but I do tend to add garlic mushrooms and extra cheese...)

    5. Re:Sounds right ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You, hipp5, have been uncharacteristically vocal and very defensive in this thread. Do you work for Domino's?

    6. Re:Sounds right ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given that Domino's revenue was almost $2.5 billion in 2016, it seems like many people don't agree with you, or they do and just don't care.

      The reasonable response to what you say is ... Nobody ever went broke by underestimating the intelligence of the American public.

      'Sells lots' doesn't equate to good.

      Most Americans wouldn't know decent food if it bit them in the ass.

    7. Re:Sounds right ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given that Domino's revenue was almost $2.5 billion in 2016, it seems like many people don't agree with you, or they do and just don't care.

      The reasonable response to what you say is ... Nobody ever went broke by underestimating the intelligence of the American public.

      'Sells lots' doesn't equate to good.

      Ain't that the truth.

      Most Americans wouldn't know decent food if it bit them in the ass.

      No, but given the obesity problem, you sure as hell can bank on one thing; they'll eat whatever shit food you throw at them, and a lot of it.

    8. Re:Sounds right ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suspect it's a combination of "they do and just don't care", and the fact that a lot of people simply don't know what a good pizza is.

    9. Re:Sounds right ... by hipp5 · · Score: 1

      You, hipp5, have been uncharacteristically vocal and very defensive in this thread. Do you work for Domino's?

      Not in the least. Nor do I own any Domino's stock. I'm just tired of the neckbeard blustering and nerd rage on Slashdot.

  16. Better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pizza is the perfect food to enhance into being able to fly _itself_ to your door.

    1. Re:Better idea by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Hmm... that pizza box could work as fuselage with a lifting factor, maybe you'd need some wings and a cheap way to power it...

      Well, thinking about it, the F4 was less aerodynamic, it just could work.

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    2. Re:Better idea by PPH · · Score: 1

      That problem has already been solved.

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    3. Re:Better idea by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      I don't want my pizza delivered. I want it 3D printed!

      In fact, all food can be gelatenous white goop that is textured and flavored to perfection. Yum! The best thing is that it wouldn't be all that different than the quality of pizzas delivered to your door currently. Or McDonalds delicious food-like product.

      If the goop could be delivered by some type of plumbing system, then slow, pesky, inefficient humans would never need to leave their domestic units. Doors and windows could be removed. There would be peace. Everything would be wonderful.

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    4. Re:Better idea by gtall · · Score: 1

      No, some cretin would figure out how to install a virus in your 3D printed pizza, maybe it generates hard pellets upon which you could break a tooth. And there's nothing wrong with McDonalds that isn't wrong with Velveeta Cheese Food (apparently it cannot be called cheese, which is convenient since no one has ever called it cheese).

      "gelatenous white goop"...Mmmmmmm...pizza flavored Jello!!

    5. Re:Better idea by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      What? Not Jello flavored pizza?

      Or: ((Jello flavored pizza) flavored Jello)

      As for McDonalds and Velveeta, the gelatinous cheese-like substance that McDonalds serves certainly tastes better than Velveeta's gelatinous cheese-like substance.

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  17. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by hipp5 · · Score: 1

    So your logic is that if you have to walk 20 feet, you might as well walk 20 feet, get in your car, drive for 10 minutes, walk another 20 feet, wait around for them to bring the pizza out, walk another 20 feet back to your car, drive another 10 minutes, and then walk another 20 feet?

  18. His AI follows the axiom: Garbage Out, Garbage In by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

    The pizza that is.

  19. What they want vs. reality by burtosis · · Score: 1

    to understand how consumers will want to interact with autonomous vehicles and pizza delivery

    I'm betting they want free pizzas to be delivered to thier door by a sexy robot who got there in an autonomous car. I'm also guessing the autonomous car loaded with fresh pizza at night in many neighborhoods will fare about as well as that new 5th grader who wet his pants during his introduction to home room class.

    1. Re:What they want vs. reality by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of a Shadowrun RPG dialogue.

      Dwarf: Who you calling?
      Troll (on the phone): Domino's.
      Dwarf: What? Why?
      Troll: Well, I'm hungry, you need a car, that kills two birds with one stone.

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  20. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think the logic is rather that if I ask for delivery, I want delivery. If Domino's does not provide this, I'll order from someone else who does.

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  21. Not for me by houghi · · Score: 1

    When I want a pizza, I just go to a mom and pop pizzeria and have a nice meal with friend over a bottle of wine and a human waiter who talks to me.
    When I want what they have, I just put some oil on a cardboard and eat that.

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    1. Re:Not for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aren't you precious! A gold star for houghi!

    2. Re:Not for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And a gold star for all douche users like yourself.

    3. Re:Not for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well aren't you king of the fucking culture.

    4. Re:Not for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except he's right. That was some mighty fine and pompous virtue signalling a couple posts up.

    5. Re:Not for me by michael_wojcik · · Score: 1

      You're unfairly maligning oily cardboard. Domino's wishes they could hit the oily-cardboard bar.

      Perhaps Domino's "pizza" will be delivered by autonomous cars in five years. My pizza certainly won't be.

  22. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by OzPeter · · Score: 1

    So your logic is that if you have to walk 20 feet, you might as well walk 20 feet, get in your car, drive for 10 minutes, walk another 20 feet, wait around for them to bring the pizza out, walk another 20 feet back to your car, drive another 10 minutes, and then walk another 20 feet?

    It what twisted Escher world or yours is the the front do of an apartment on the 10th floor of a building no more than 20 feet away from where an automated vehicle will drop off he pizza that you ordered?

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  23. Um Drone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Um, wouldn't a drone be a lot easier, cheaper, safer, quicker, and every other 'er than a freaking autonomous car.
    This guy needs to step back from tech predictions and improve his company's oily pizza! :)

  24. Show me where he bet his house and I'll believe -- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure! And 3 years ago we were told that autonomous cars would be mainstream last year.

    It is like the people who make these kinds of statements aren't aware of the difficulty of all the challenges involved and how unrealistic overcoming many of the challenges actually are.

  25. Re:Foreign H1B autonomous vehicles no doubt by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Would you want one of those American autonomous cars instead?

    Careful what you wish for, this could be your car this one has to park behind...

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  26. Autonomous cars across US in 5 years? by swb · · Score: 1

    There are some promising advances, but it seems optimistic to believe that there will be vast fleets of fully autonomous cars operating throughout the US within 5 years. Only a minority of conventional cars have anything like a self-drive mode.

    Besides, Domino's is shit pizza, shittier as pizza than Taco Bell is as Mexican food.

    The legions of local pizza places will still depend on stoners with aging Hondas and legions of fools with expensive cars desperate to do anything to make their car payments.

    1. Re:Autonomous cars across US in 5 years? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a bit concerned with what the patent process is going to do with this. Effective or easy control methods get locked down so less effective (safe) methods are developed. Courts are reactive so this could get dangerous for a while as ever company tries to do it without infringing on existing patents.

      There is enough demand for this to happen soon but it'll be interesting to watch the technology settle out.

    2. Re:Autonomous cars across US in 5 years? by stevelinton · · Score: 1

      I would guess it'll go like chip making technology. Basically all the players own at least some patents that all the other players need (or at least really want) so they all license them to each other. If your R&D did really well, you own more (or better patents) you make some money off this process, if your R&D didn't luck out, it costs you some money. But it doesn't really stop anyone getting access to anuything

    3. Re:Autonomous cars across US in 5 years? by ahodgson · · Score: 1

      They can't make an automated sink that works reliably. I'm not holding my breath on cars. Sure they work with an engineer babysitting them. But how about after 2 years of pizza shop maintenance. Will a single sensor on them still work right? I think not.

  27. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not to mention that walking that 20 feet saves you a tip.

  28. Within the next five years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dominos Pizzas will be freely available to passers by who happen to spot one of their roaming vehicles.

    1. Re:Within the next five years by michael_wojcik · · Score: 1

      Still too expensive.

  29. Uber and Lift can't find my house without help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I doubt self driving cars will do any better.

  30. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by jwhyche · · Score: 1

    This. When I ask for delivery I mean for someone else to bring it to my door. I don't want to leave the house. In other words, I don't want to get dressed, put on shoes and walk out to the curb.

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  31. Thankfully by cmaurand · · Score: 1

    Domino's Pizza still sucks and I don't order it. Since they'll be putting tons of poor folks out of work, I'll probably boycott them on principle.

  32. Title schmitle by arth1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is /.; don't trust the title.

    The title says "Within Next Five Years Your Pizzas Will Probably", while the actual quote was "in three to five years at the earliest". That's two very different statements.

    Either the editor can't read, or makes deliberately false statements in order to gain clicks.

    1. Re:Title schmitle by houghi · · Score: 1

      It is wishfull thinking "Within the next 5 years I will probably leave my moms basement."

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    2. Re:Title schmitle by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      Are "clicks" cryptocurrency?

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    3. Re:Title schmitle by cloud.pt · · Score: 1

      LOL!

      It's not the first time a /. title fails or is modified for effect. In this case at least they used "probably", so they can get away with anything because that word turns everything speculative.

    4. Re:Title schmitle by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1

      Why bother with self-driving cars? I am waiting for self-driving Pizzas!

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    5. Re: Title schmitle by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      This is the Slashdot business model. All their editors are not actual editors. It's pretty scummy and I don't know how they live with themselves doing a paid job so poorly.

    6. Re:Title schmitle by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Either the editor can't read, or makes deliberately false statements in order to gain clicks.

      No "either" about it...click bate for sure.

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  33. Autonomous cars? by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 2

    Why not cut out the middle man and create autonomous, self-delivering pizzas? I have no idea how it would work, but whoever comes up with it would have a license to print money!

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    1. Re:Autonomous cars? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Indeed, why does it have to be cars? It's not like a pizza is a huge item that weights a lot either.

      Pizza delivery by drones? Much better solution IMHO. Bypasses all the traffic, goes in a straight line to the customer.

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    2. Re:Autonomous cars? by gtall · · Score: 1

      Nothing like air-cooled pizza.

    3. Re:Autonomous cars? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      You do know about insulated pizza bags, right? And the bag itself would probably be inside an insulated compartment as well.

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  34. HAH! by Berkyjay · · Score: 1

    Like I eat Domino's pizza.

  35. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Or, if you're living in an apartment complex, get dressed, wait for an eternity for the damn elevator, spend another eternity in said elevator, pick up the pizza, go through the elevator ritual again, find out that you forgot your door keys inside...

    I prefer to have the pizza guy do the elevator dance.

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  36. those statements by Tsolias · · Score: 1

    write themselves.
    after moore's law, we have Doyle's law.
    Old McDonald, had a law, ee-I-ee-I-o
    that burgers gonna fly alone, ee-I-ee-I-o
    and fly away to ppl's home, ee-I-ee-I-o

  37. Get ready for a lawsuit! by Comboman · · Score: 0

    Part of the reason delivery works today is that shops rely on people desperate enough to try to make tip money as drivers during slow hours, essentially burning up gas, smokes and their own car shuttling food around town.

    Taking advantage of people with cars desperate to make a few bucks? Hey, that's Uber's business model! Prepare to be sued.

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  38. Will this be cost effective? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know those autonomous vehicles cost a lot, and if people have to go out in the weather to meet a car with their pizza. What's the point? Might as well save the delivery charge and just go get it. Pizza drivers are that hard to find, that its worth spending a lot on these vehicles to save paying a driver?? Who's doing the math here at Domino's? Frankly the liability will probably go up not down, and many pizza places don't provide a vehicle for a driver. Sounds more like some dumb marketing scheme then anything.

  39. Artificially Increase Labor Costs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is what you get. Pizza delivery is definitely not a glorified job, but for those who need the money and lose jobs/can't get one because of it, you have politics to thank.

  40. headline is false by digitalride · · Score: 1

    nowhere in the article does he say that your pizzas will probably be delivered by autonomous cars within 5 years.

    Can the submitter/editors be that bad at reading comprehension or is slashdot just making up/ approving clickbait?

    Of course there will be experiments and publicity stunts but there is no way that most pizza deliveries will be done by autonomous vehicles within 5 years, current delivery drivers are just too cheap to compete with.

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  41. Inclimate weather? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I still feel like all these silicon valley startups have neglected to get enough good data from northern states where snowfalls are common half the year.

    A lot of people order pizza delivery when roads are too bad to go driving.

    And a driving AI is only as good as the data it has.

    Perhaps pizza delivery will become a "seasonal" job?

  42. Won't be any good... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Without a Johnny Cab head.

  43. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 1

    Its almost like we have multiple communities and cultures, and something that works for one might not work for all.

    Also, maybe having autonomous delivery doesn't mean drivers no longer exist. Like a gradual rollout to the areas that make the most sense, and leaving people to do the apartments.

  44. The Deliverator by nevermore94 · · Score: 1

    I want my pizzas delivered by a Deliverator under the watchful eye of Uncle Enzo.
    https://101books.net/2013/02/0...

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    1. Re:The Deliverator by stevelinton · · Score: 1

      I must admit I'd rather that the pizzas were delivered to someone a few blocks away, while I just watched. The collateral damage from actually getting pizza this way is a bit much

  45. I seriously doubt that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I live in a car free zone of the city, so unless that driverless car just breaks the law everything I think it will still be bike or scooter.

    1. Re:I seriously doubt that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess you are just going to have to walk to the border of the zone to pick it up from the car.

  46. Not happening by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    First, you'd need to have a vegan pizza on the menu - and I'm not talking about vegetables as topping. Probably won't happen before another decade.

    Second, you'd need to open a Domino's Pizza in my small town of 10K people. Never going to happen.

    Third, autonomous cars are a lie from the industrial military complex controlled by the covfefe flat earthers.

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  47. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by ls671 · · Score: 1

      In other words, I don't want to get dressed...

    So you answer the door naked when you order pizza?

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  48. Yeah... but. by fish_in_the_c · · Score: 1

    That doesn't mean you won't still need a delivery person inside the car. When I order pizza at a dorm or a hotel and any multi tenant building , I'm generally not interested in going outside and finding the car to get the pizza from it.

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  49. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    "If Domino's does not provide this, I'll order from someone else who does."

    Doesn't matter to me. If I want a Pizza I sure won't order one from Domino's not even if they'd drone it beside my lazyboy.

  50. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by 228e2 · · Score: 2

    Don't you? TV has taught me this is how to get away without paying.

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  51. one thing is certain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It won't be Dominos autonomous cars; it'll be that minimum wage workers car. You really think a sad pathetic excuse for a pizza joint is going to lead this on their own dime? Nope, they'll maximize profit by shitting on the little guy, meanwhile they'll get that sweet sweet tax break to "trick"le down the profits onto the sad idiot who paid 100k for a car they'll never drive.

  52. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by alvinrod · · Score: 1

    I wonder if the better solution in that case would be to have a drone do the delivery to the balcony. That would be a lot more efficient in general because the delivery person has to wait for the damned elevator instead of you.

  53. my god what an idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Prepare to be sued.

    apparently you were not prepared for reality, you really should just end yourself

  54. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1, Funny

    Sometimes I think I have strayed a bit much from the path of wisdom, and become a little too much of a lazy bastard. And it's the worst, when we're thinking about "grubhubbing," usually because I'm too impaired to cook or drive.

    Then I get on the Internet, read stuff like this, and feel a lot better. On an absolute scale, I consider myself to be a wreck of an irresponsible, underachieving, criminally-lazy dimwit. But relatively, I feel downright smug! Meet the driver out front!? That's no problem at all! Thank you, Internet.

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  55. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Umm... yeah.

    Thinking about it, I did consider it odd that the delivery guy tipped me instead of me tipping him last time...

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  56. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    If I want pizza I also wouldn't call Domino's. But from time to time I order there and get that ... whatever food that is they are delivering.

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  57. I make myown pizza by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's faster, significantly cheaper and usually better. Cleanup is negligible. I don't know why more people don't do this.

  58. Second opinion by c · · Score: 1

    Domino's CEO has an interesting opinion, but I really want to hear what the CEO of Domino's insurance company thinks of the proposal.

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  59. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by jwhyche · · Score: 1

    I have. Your point?

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  60. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by jwhyche · · Score: 1

    Drones and pizza delivery are a match made in haven. I believe good drones have a 24 km endurance. That should be perfect for pizza delivery.

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  61. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by OzPeter · · Score: 1

    Its almost like we have multiple communities and cultures, and something that works for one might not work for all.

    Do you mean the sort of thing take totally invalidates hipp5's absolutist statement?

    Also, maybe having autonomous delivery doesn't mean drivers no longer exist. Like a gradual rollout to the areas that make the most sense, and leaving people to do the apartments.

    Funny how TFA has this quote:

    Will people come out of their homes and apartments to get the pizzas, what do we need to do to make that process seamless. You have seen some of our work public on that. We want to be at the forefront.

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  62. No more paying by cash by taustin · · Score: 1

    Though I suspect most people don't pay for pizza with cash anyway.

    I can't help but wonder, though, which is cheaper:

    Workman's comp for drivers who get robbed, or repair bills for self driving cars that get vandalized.

    1. Re:No more paying by cash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess they are really going to get screwed when they realize they sell a lot of pizzas to groups of people who pass the hat to collect the cash to pay for said pizzas.

  63. Not my promised future by kemosabi · · Score: 1

    Wait, WTF? Weren't we all promised cool, sleek, aerodynamic FLYING CARS? Who authorized the downgrade to something as boring as regular cars, without drivers, that shuttle pizza hither and yon?

    I want my flying car, or at *minimum* I want pizza delivery to change to something more like the first chapter of Snowcrash.

    1. Re:Not my promised future by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      >Weren't we all promised cool, sleek, aerodynamic FLYING CARS?

      Even just a year or two ago, it was upscaled quadracopters to move humans.

      Apparently, somebody eventually did the math on energy consumption, the utility analysis on the ability to get from a->b under various common conditions, and the insurance costs of having urban skies full of flying metal just waiting to become kinetic energy weapons.

  64. small town say wtf u smokin'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    won't happen. not in five years, not in fifty. not here.

  65. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by arth1 · · Score: 1

    So you answer the door naked when you order pizza?

    No, but I may be in my humble PJs. And it might be -20 outside, or raining sideways. And my driveway is long.
    Or, I may be on crutches, in which case getting a pizza from the curb to the kitchen table is rather challenging.
    In any case, I'd rather pay someone willing to do it a tip.

  66. Maybe yours will be by reboot246 · · Score: 1

    My homemade pizzas will be delivered from my oven to my table. Nobody can make a better pizza than one you make from scratch. It ain't that hard.

    1. Re:Maybe yours will be by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Well, it is not. But I have to admit I will buy the dough these days and pre-rolled, because it is much less of a mess. I also like some of the newer deep-frozen ones, they have gotten pretty good, at least here.

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  67. Here's some "understanding" for you Pat. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I pay for delivery I want it at my door, not in a driverless car, honking at the curb.

  68. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    So I have to walk out and not have it at the door? I may as well pick it up

    To be clear, are you one of those self-centred people who live directly opposite a Dominos and still orders takeaway? If so your comparison is quite silly.

  69. First misread that as "Autocannon" by dasgoober · · Score: 1

    Why yes, I'd like a Marauder to shoot it thru my front door, so I won't hafta go outside.
    Dunno how the pizza will fare, tho

  70. And how does it deliver it to my 4th story apt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess via drone, which means he will need to fly into a lobby, and up an elevator, into a hallway....

    Hmmm, if only there was someone to do that already.....

  71. Delivery by Dalek is superior by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

    Essentially a mobility scooter with an insulated cylindrical body of pizza-diameter, with slide-out drawers, a card reader and a cell phone. Throw on some standard lights for road safety.

    The thing drives itself to your door, calls you on your phone to advise it has arrived, and when you put your payment card in the reader the drawer(s) with your pizza(s) slide open.

    Easy-peasy.

  72. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are the one with flawed logic some people live in places where winter means spending a few minutes to put on clothing to go out side and to do that for a Delivered Dominos pizza (the box is likely the most expensive part of the pizza by far) and your logic that there is no other way of getting pizza than to drive to Dominos how old are you?
    I only order pizza from local non chain Greek or Italian restaurants on the rare occasions that i feel the need for pizza.
    Like hell i would reward a place for putting people out of work.

  73. This sucks by ldgeorge85 · · Score: 1

    So, what about living in an apartment? Also, I have to actually walk to the curb to get my pizza instead of it being delivered to the door? What exactly am I paying for? I don't want to put on shoes and a coat to go fight with some damned robotic car about my pizza. Drones might help that, but doubtful. Then what happens if there is a problem with the order or something else? Sounds really fun for about 5 seconds, then the reality sets in that it would basically suck for everyone except Domino's.

  74. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by alvinrod · · Score: 1

    I don't think you'd even need that much range. Have a truck drive to a central area for multiple delivers and have a drone take it from there instead of having a constant back and forth. If there's enough demand you could have multiple drones operate out of a central truck. Hell, eventually you might be able to put the entire kitchen in the truck.

  75. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by eth1 · · Score: 1

    Exactly this. I ordered in because I don't want to go out. Its cold. Id have to get layered up, put on boots to trudge through the snow around the building to the parking lot. Whereas you will be parked in front of the wrong building.

    I will order from someone else.

    Note to all, I do tip well especially if the weather is crappy.

    Exactly... the rare occasions when I order pizza are usually when the weather is crappy, and I don't want to go out myself. If people have to go outside in pouring rain, etc. to get their pizza, orders will probably plummet during bad weather.

    In fact, I'd rather get in my car (in the attached garage), drive the one block to the pizza place, and sprint inside to do my business if it's pouring rain, not stand outside fiddling with a machine and getting soaked.

  76. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would much prefer tipping and keeping someone employed than rewarding a business like multi national chain from America where reducing quality is always top priority, Also they deliver dominos pizza and well not jumping thru any hoops to order that trash when i have 3 of the 4 best pizza joints in the city in delivery range.
    Must be an American thing to happily put people out of work to save $5 once or twice a month. By chance are you from California?
     

  77. They can hype with the best of 'em by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would be very surprised if this came to pass in 20 years time, or if it does roll out prematurely, it will ba disaster of epic proportions. It sure is good PR nonsense for Domino's bottom line, though. 'In five years' time' is last decade's code for 'we are piping smoke directly up your asses. Give us your money.'

  78. Adaptive cruise control, forward collision avoidan by DrYak · · Score: 1

    but brakes are still mechanical and will continue to be so for the forseeable future due to FMVSS requirements. {...} Yes, I am aware there are cars with electric brakes that can stop themselves... just wanted to clear up that "most" is more "a special few".

    And due to the high popularity of adaptive cruise control (ACC) and forward collision avoidance systems (FCAS), the "special few" is becoming "quite a big percentage of the cars present on today's street".

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  79. drivers also do inside work when not on the road by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    drivers also do inside work when not on the road. Still the cost of owning cars is lot more then paying $1 a run to the drivers.

  80. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by Kjella · · Score: 1

    This. When I ask for delivery I mean for someone else to bring it to my door. I don't want to leave the house. In other words, I don't want to get dressed, put on shoes and walk out to the curb.

    I'm sure they'll find a market without you. Like back when I didn't own a car or when I've had a few beers. For me it's more the "fit for socializing" aspect, like if I haven't showered, haven't shaved, hung over, dirty/sweaty clothes and just want to chow down a pizza in front of the TV or PC. Personally I'd rather get my slob ass down to the curb with zero social interaction than greet the pizza delivery guy like that, in fact I might just opt for a frozen pizza instead. A small physical discomfort because it's freezing/raining is not a big deal to me, particularly not if I know there's a warm tasty pizza at the end of it.

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  81. hes an idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the share holders should show him the door for not even having a forward thinking vision.

    If the cars are self driving, then why even have store fronts at all. Get yourself a food truck, automate the making of the pizza and have one person per food truck to actually walk the pizza to the front door. That way the experience does not change for the consumer while at the same time he saves on personnel costs as well as location costs.

    I mean if you can figure out self driving cars, you should be able to figure out robotic pizza makers. It doesn't take much of an imagination to combine the two ideas. I guess this explains why pizza franchises are starting to lose market share to the local pizza places. Quality matters and this guy is more focused on the idea of self guided deliveries over making consistently quality pizzas.

  82. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So your logic is that if you have to walk 20 feet, you might as well walk 20 feet, get in your car, drive for 10 minutes, walk another 20 feet, wait around for them to bring the pizza out, walk another 20 feet back to your car, drive another 10 minutes, and then walk another 20 feet?

    Different people live in different locations.

    I live on the back side of the back building. From where I live, it is about 300 feet to where any delivery vehicle could stop, about 500 feet to the next pizzeria, and about 600 feet to another pizzeria. There are two more pizzerias within a 1000 feet radius.

    If I have to get fully dressed, and walk out of the building complex through the front gate to get pizza, I might as well walk another 200-300 feet to get a better pizza fresh out of the oven, rather than have anybody deliver a 30 minutes old pizza.

  83. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    Or you could build drone-only pizza kitchens in more places to cover all the area within the range of drones. Since a kitchen is almost always the smallest area occupied within a regular restaurant, it would cost a lot less to operate. There's probably savings to be made on permits and other things, too.

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  84. Elevators by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It will be interesting to see how the car gets to my 31st floor apartment. We have one large elevator but it would only fit if standing vertical.

  85. Unlikely by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

    As the mom and pop pizza places I order from still don't even have computers.

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  86. Why the fuck would I want that? by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

    That means I have to walk down to the street to get my pizza from a car.

    It's a better service when it's delivered to my door. Especially if it's raining.

  87. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

    Personally I'd rather get my slob ass down to the curb with zero social interaction than greet the pizza delivery guy like that,

    It's nice that you live in a place with no neighbors at all. Otherwise, you cannot guarantee "zero social interaction". You're going to the curb, and there are people driving by in cars -- some of them you might know. All of them will see you at your, umm, best? If you are in an apartment building, you could run into any of your neighbors, even the cute girl you're trying to hit on.

    With to-the-door delivery, you know the social interaction you will have. One person, who you are paying, and unless your friends are losers who have to delivery pizzas for a living, you won't know.

    Of course, if you're still living in your parent's basement, they've seen you naked before, and you probably don't care what their neighbors think.

    particularly not if I know there's a warm tasty pizza at the end of it.

    We're talking Dominos here.

  88. I think in 5/10 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    msMash will still be sucking dick for coke.
    and BeauHD will be right next to her, mouth open wiling and waiting..

  89. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

    To be clear, are you one of those self-centred people who live directly opposite a Dominos and still orders takeaway?

    He's probably one of those self-centered people who figures if he's paying delivery prices he deserves actual delivery and not "pretty close". He probably also thinks that if he's got to get presentable to go out in the weather to get his pizza, he might as well go someplace good.

  90. Next step: Bake it at your door by gweihir · · Score: 1

    The would be only reasonable. The raw product is refrigerated or frozen anyways. Just make it so that it is just ready when arriving. While I am eating either high-quality deep frozen pizza or making my own, I would try that.

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  91. That's why he is in the cheap pizza business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's why he is in the cheap pizza business, and not the Autonomous Car business.

  92. Domino's? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Within Next Five Years Your Pizzas Will Probably Be Delivered by Autonomous Cars, Domino's Pizza CEO Says

    Not *my* pizzas, I can guarantee you that. Domino's? YUCK!

  93. I'd like to know.. by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    If they're going to send my pizza in an autonomous car, they had better send someone in it to walk it to the door for me. Otherwise I'll order elsewhere.

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  94. Stick to Pizzas by cstacy · · Score: 1

    Domino's Pizza outgoing CEO Patrick Doyle, expert on AI and robotics, who has a lot of stock in Dominos and wants to hype it up, says .....

  95. ^ This. G/L finding individual Class C Commercial. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try finding individual Class C commercial coverage for being a pizza delivery driver. Hint: If your insurance finds out you were delivering pizza when you got in an accident, they will at minimum not cover the accident and maybe even cancel your insurance.

    I spent a half an hour once night a few years ago asking the manager of a Dominoes (I don't remember if it was corporate or franchise) about this, and he hemmed and hawwed and tried to blow it off as no big deal.
    I started with:
      'does your company provide commercial class c coverage'
    'No'
    ''Do you know of an insurance company that provides class c coverage?'
    'None that I know of'
    'If you don't provide coverage, and I can't find anyone in town who doesn't provide commercial class c coverage that your hourly wage covers, then how can you legally have drivers?'
    'I don't know.'

    And keep in mind this is california, where you are legally required to have insurance or they can impound or crush your car. Given that even government employees seem to tacitly allow this to happen without enforcement, or verifying delivery drivers have commercial coverage, even though none of the major insurance providers in California provide it is more than a little appalling. Much like under the table work, one small accident can ruin you economically for years.

  96. Bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd rather have the pizzas for free.

  97. Self-driving and self-cooking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What if the self-driving car would not only deliver the pizza, but would prepare and cook it as well, en-route, so that when you walk up to the vehicle, it's as hot and fresh as it will ever be?

    IMO, THAT would be worth paying for (if you're going to order delivery pizza, that is).

  98. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by Eravnrekaree · · Score: 1

    maybe a little robot would come down off a ramp and carry the pizza to your door

  99. Are we Idiots in this country ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    First we Run off of the industrial jobs and other Living Wage Jobs for people with Just a HS diploma. These people are forced to work low paying service jobs. Now lets Invent machines that eliminate the low paying service jobs.

  100. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by jwhyche · · Score: 2

    I'm sure they will do just fine with out my patronage. An so will I. It is not like domnos is the only game in town for pizza delivery. Plus its not like delivery is the only option I have. Good thing about having other drivers in my household that I can tell to go get me a pizza. So there are plenty of options for pizza with out leaving the house.

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  101. No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some deliverator needs to chop off that asshole's head.

  102. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by swillden · · Score: 1

    I think the logic is rather that if I ask for delivery, I want delivery. If Domino's does not provide this, I'll order from someone else who does.

    What if Domino's is $5 cheaper, but you have to walk to the curb? Or $10?

    If delivery to the door means having to pay a driver, that cost will be reflected in the price. You can choose to pay it if you want, and if you can find a pizza place that will do it. I suspect that the vast majority will choose the lower price and walk to the curb, so there will soon be no stores that provide delivery to the door. Well, until they put a robot in the car that will walk / wheel / fly it to the door for you.

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  103. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    What does pizza cost in the US? 10 bucks cheaper would mean you get money if you order a pizza here...

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  104. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by swillden · · Score: 1

    What does pizza cost in the US? 10 bucks cheaper would mean you get money if you order a pizza here...

    Including delivery?

    I just went to Domino's.com and created an order to check. The delivery charge for my mom's house (there's no pizza delivery service to my house; my area is too rural, but my mom is 30 miles away, so a reasonable proxy), is $2.50. Plus a tip, of course. Assuming two medium cheese pizzas ($12.99 each), four bottles of Coke and an order of bread twists with dipping sauce, plus delivery fee, the total is $45.09, so that's about a $7 for a tip.

    Assuming the delivery surcharge of $2.50 stays the same, the main savings would be the tip. So, in this case, $7.

    I don't know where you live, but if tipping is not the norm in your location, then the delivery charge will almost certainly be higher (adjusting for currency and cost of living), because $2.50 is unlikely to be enough to pay for the driver's time, unless the store is very close to your house.

    What it boils down to is that unless labor is extremely cheap in your area, the bulk of the cost of delivery will be labor, not vehicle wear and tear or fuel. And whatever that labor amount is, eliminating the human reduces the delivery cost by about that much. In the US, labor costs are high enough that the savings is non-trivial.

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  105. No Thanks by dcw3 · · Score: 1

    Any company that doesn't deliver it to my door won't get my business. I don't want to have to walk out in the snow or rain, or in my shorts to some robo car.

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  106. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Companies around here noticed quickly that you can charge a buck more per pizza, people accept that, but as soon as you charge for delivery you get sorted out. We also have a lot of small restaurants rather than a few big chains. Competition is good for the customer.

    A decent pizza is about 7-8 EUR around here, depending on what you want on it. Usually they require you to order for at least 12.00 or so to make delivery free, but that's easily doable as soon as you have 2 pizzas or one large one in your order.

    And on top of it all, you actually get a pizza. Not ... hell, whatever it is that Domino's is actually delivering.

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  107. Re:So I have to walk out and not have it at the do by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    The logic is that if I have to put my inclement-weather clothing on and go outside, I may as well do something besides argue with a machine over a pizza. One big advantage of delivery pizza is that I can get it without going outside. If I still have to get bundled up, I may as well get something healthier.

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