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Why People Dislike Really Smart Leaders (scientificamerican.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Scientific American: Intelligence makes for better leaders -- from undergraduates to executives to presidents -- according to multiple studies. It certainly makes sense that handling a market shift or legislative logjam requires cognitive oomph. But new research on leadership suggests that, at a certain point, having a higher IQ stops helping and starts hurting. The researchers looked at 379 male and female business leaders in 30 countries, across fields that included banking, retail and technology. The managers took IQ tests (an imperfect but robust predictor of performance in many areas), and each was rated on leadership style and effectiveness by an average of eight co-workers. IQ positively correlated with ratings of leader effectiveness, strategy formation, vision and several other characteristics -- up to a point. The ratings peaked at an IQ of around 120, which is higher than roughly 80 percent of office workers. Beyond that, the ratings declined. The researchers suggest the "ideal" IQ could be higher or lower in various fields, depending on whether technical versus social skills are more valued in a given work culture. The study's lead author, John Antonakis, a psychologist at the University of Lausanne in Switzerland, suggests leaders should use their intelligence to generate creative metaphors that will persuade and inspire others -- the way former U.S. President Barack Obama did. "I think the only way a smart person can signal their intelligence appropriately and still connect with the people," Antonakis says, "is to speak in charismatic ways."

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  1. They talk funny by MikeB0Lton · · Score: 5, Funny

    Idiocracy is officially here. President Camacho, here we come.

    1. Re:They talk funny by Kiuas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      President Camacho

      The way I see it as an outsider is that Gamacho would be an improvement. I mean, here's a man that recognized his own limitations and did his best to get the smartest man alive to try and solve the issues they're facing because he knew he couldn't do so himself. That's actually a quality many leaders lack.

      Meanwhile, Trump's a guy who bragged about passing his health exam. Dude recognized some animals from pictures and he know holds himself to be a certified genius that's 'like, really smart'. Because if there's one thing we know about smart people it's that they constantly tell everyone how really super duper smart they are.

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    2. Re:They talk funny by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hmm, Obama was pretty smart, but he was no stable genius.

    3. Re: They talk funny by amiga3D · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nobody looks down on intelligent people, they look down on arrogant asswipes who think they know it all. I've known intelligent people far smarter than me and had no problem with them. They talked to me like I wasn't a simple minded idiot for one thing although to them I probably seemed like one. Far too many people on slashdot don't seem to be half as smart as they think they are yet insist on telling you how brilliant they are.

    4. Re:They talk funny by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, there's this thing where Trump doesn't pay his contractors and employees, has been sued in court 60 times for it, and apparently loses the lawsuits. So that's a con man's behaviour. http://www.foxnews.com/politic...

      The guy lies constantly. Like, nearly every statement out of his mouth is demonstrably false; I'm not even talking about the things that are up for interpretation. He makes statements that have no basis in reality and are repeatedly shown to be false, like his polling numbers, the number of people that voted for him, the size of his electoral college victory, the effectiveness of his administration in passing bills, etc. He also hasn't been good about keeping his political promises...but we'll leave that out for now because that's never a meaningful measure of a politician.

      Not to mention that his properties are making a lot of money because people want access to him and other politicians. https://www.theatlantic.com/po...

      The CNN link you posted shows his net worth went down, and the claim was because of a rough real estate market in New York--it's not clear that his presidency has any effect on that at all. That is, he probably would've lost money in a bad market regardless.

      There's no long con here, just a con.

  2. Different things triggers different reactions by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To a smart person with they see the world in a particular way. So when they try to explain themselves to the public they are talking above their comprehension. This is often insulting to the other person because it sounds like you are using your vocabulary and more advanced reasoning to show that you are better then them.
    Someone else with a lower intelligence, works more off of instincts, which does have the advantage of making faster decisions which are more often then not correct. However to a higher IQ person this is just ignoring factors which should be addressed. And such reactions is insulting for not listening to the rational argument.
    A high IQ person leading people with low IQ often creates conflict because the low IQ people just fail to see the big picture or know to follow the more abstract steps. They want right and wrong. Not careful balance of what is going on and actions based on situations.

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    1. Re:Different things triggers different reactions by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      These days politics has been reduced to sound bites and tweets. Intelligent statements often can't be reduced to a 3 second clip. Effective solutions often require explanation, where as simple but ineffective ones like "build a wall" or "ban Muslims" don't.

      We need to find ways to communicate good ideas in this new age, or somehow force a change away from politics by tweet.

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  3. People like to think by rsilvergun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    they can run the country with good 'ole fashion common sense. It doesn't help that it looks easy. After all, anyone can tell somebody else what to do, right? It's like writing. You learn to do it in grade school. How hard can this Shakespear stuff be, amiright? The trouble is it's scary to think that the problems of the world are too complex for you to understand and solve. Rather than face that fact and seek help a lot of folks deny it and try to force the world to conform the the reality they've chosen to believe in; with predictable results...

    Also, a significant portion of the population really, really hates to feel talked down to; and, well, it's easy to rile these folks up, drive them to the polls and get them to vote you into office. Clinton (Bill) used to do it. When he talked to old people he dyed his hair gray. Young folks got a brown dye. And his southern drawl pretty much vanished when he wasn't on the campaign in the South.

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    1. Re:People like to think by sg_oneill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The problem with "common sense" is for the most part, its neither common, nor sense. Theres a lot of things that "common sense" says is right , but reality disagrees. Things like migration , crime and punishment , foreign relations, military tactics, climate change, and so on, all having counter intuitive truths behind them that defy "common" sense.

      Its a problem thats been recognized all the way back to the ancient greeks. Plato though a good alternative was the Philosopher King, putting the smartest man in greece in charge (presumably, him). Fortunately for democracy later thinkers noted dictatorships tended to favor military experts rather than civil experts, and kindoms favored heredity.

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  4. That would explain it by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wondered why so many people dislike a stable genius.

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  5. Maybe it's the smart leaders who dislike the peopl by javaman235 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The difference between the average person (IQ 100) and and a legally retarded guy in a helmet (IQ 70) is the same as between a bright college guy (IQ 115) and a really dull witted convict (IQ 85) is the difference between a professor (IQ 130) and average guy. Maybe the gap becomes too big for the brainy prof to care about winning popularity contest?

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  6. TL;DR version by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 5, Informative

    Some people are dumb as shit and don't like you because they cannot comprehend the message you are attempting to convey.

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  7. There has to be a better way by jensend · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Mitt Romney is one of the smartest presidential candidates this nation has ever seen, as well as a fundamentally decent human being. People tore him to bits over offhand comments and talked endlessly about his unforgivable sin of having - 30 years prior - taken his dog on vacation. (One New York Times columnist published no less than 86 columns talking about that incident, which seems like obsessive enough behavior to qualify for institutionalization.)

    Donald Trump is one of the least intelligent presidential candidates this nation has ever seen. Blatant lies, boasts about sexual assault, and so on only served to feed his campaign. At least a third of the country is still really excited about having this "stable genius" lead them even though he clearly struggles to understand any of the issues a President faces.

    Look at Churchill's speeches or FDR's fireside chats. Now look at Donald Trump's twitter stream (MY EYES! THE GOGGLES DO NOTHING!). This is the evolution of civil discourse in just one lifetime.

    I get that sometimes someone who speaks blunt falsehoods rather than complex truths can be seen as a "man of the people." I don't think this has to be so. I don't think this has been true in all cultures and at all times through human history. I don't know how we can overcome the anti-intellectual pressures that have been building in this country for 70 years, the politicization of journalism and education, the degeneration of political discourse at all levels into dick jokes and cursing, and so on. But if we don't find some way to overcome it our civilization will collapse.

    1. Re:There has to be a better way by mnemotronic · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...snipsnip... Donald Trump is one of the least intelligent presidential candidates this nation has ever seen. Blatant lies, boasts about sexual assault, and so on only served to feed his campaign

      The lying, misogyny, insensitivity, bellicosity, narcissism and over-compensated inferiority complex have nothing to do with intelligence. Those are simply indecies of maladjustment. According the the smartest guy around, Donald Trump is the smartest guy around. He is, in fact, way, way too smart to be a good leader or President. The job of POTUS is just not good enough for the Donald. He should be conferred Supreme Doctor of Thinkology, Universitartus Committiartum E Pluribus Unum. All hail the mighty Trump! We tremble under the lash of your intellect!

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  8. Re:Paradox of intelligence by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think it is a matter of appearing "too wise". I have known several people with IQs from 140 to 160, and while they were not Rainman, they all had some significant personality disorders. I think it is those socialization problems that keep many high IQers from being good leaders rather than just being "too smart".

    The human brain is a balanced organ, and if too many neurons are devoted to doing well on an IQ test, then not enough are left over for things like empathy, and social skills.

  9. Re:What about dumb people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I too, chose to be a one-percenter, and it has paid off.
    Boy is it funny how none of the problems the commonfolk choose, affect my life at all!
    I get taxbreaks all the time, yet the paupers keep whining about a couple thousand dollars out of pocket. That's just chump change, who even cares.
    All these folks choose to work multiple gruelling minimum wage jobs and insist on paying way too much rent and then choose to be unable to afford food or healthcare or a proper Harvard education for their kids! Then they choose having no retirement or even a portfolio so instead they keep crowding the streets with their homeless smelly asses. Stupid shit I tell ya. They even drive cheap shitty cars and never wear Armani.
    Losers. Everybody should just choose to be a billionaire, that would solve all the problems they complain about.

  10. Well known: 2 sigma gap by bradley13 · · Score: 4, Informative

    "IQ positively correlated with ratings of leader effectiveness...The ratings peaked at an IQ of around 120"

    If two people have an IQ difference of more than 2 sigma (2 standard deviations, or about 30 IQ points), it becomes very difficult for them to communicate with each other effectively.

    I would have this was pretty well-known and well accepted by now. TFA specifically looks at office workers of various types, so it's a good bet that the average worker will have an IQ in the 100-110 range. So a manager with an IQ of 120 is just enough smarter to do the job well, but not too smart to run into communications problems. A completely believable "sweet spot" for your typical office. But probably not for JPL or a construction site.

    If you get beyond 2 sigmas: For anything more than small talk, the smart person feels like they have to "dumb down" everything they say, and even then it's hard to get across anything complex. Meanwhile the lower IQ person realizes that they're being "talked down to", that they are being seen as dumb, and they resent it.

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    1. Re:Well known: 2 sigma gap by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

      You sound like one of those eggheads. I don't like you.

      Don't you have a car analogy or at least one that's funny?

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  11. Re:Paradox of intelligence by AK+Marc · · Score: 5, Interesting
  12. Re:Paradox of intelligence by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Multiple studies have been done on this phenomenon, and I am rather surprised that this is presented as "news".

    The simple fact is that people generally do not accept "leaders" who have IQs more than about 20 points higher than their own. And the reason -- according to current theory -- is that they just don't understand how each other think.

    This has shown to hold for IQs between about 70 and 160.

    Someone with an IQ of 70 does not well understand someone of IQ 100, someone of IQ 90 does not well understand someone of IQ 120 and someone of 120 does not well understand someone with an IQ of 150.

    There is a rather large body of study and evidence to support this. It is no great mystery.

  13. Re:Paradox of intelligence by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Social skills, contrairily to popular believe, have nothing to do with IQ or EQ, but with teaching young people how to behave properly. And many don't learn over time with age to become better.

    I learned to be more social due to martial arts. The 'concept' is very simple. You behave like everyone else expects you to behave and you are fully integrated.

    Funny, that you bow now to your teacher, training partner or a picture at the wall, but felt humilated when your mother asked you to say hello to a visitor.

    Anyway, I travel lately mostly in Asia, and in Europe mostly in Scandinavian or Romanic countries ... being simply polite gets you everywhere.

    The stupid idea of 'freedom' and 'the others' have to 'cope with me' is the reason why people are blamed for having a bad EQ. They don't have a bad EQ ... they never learned or accepted to learn basic human behaviour.

    Look at a group of apes in the morning ... all the young ones walk around and greet the old ones. In our world this is considered 'old fashioned'.

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  14. Re:What about dumb people? by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You could simply choose *not* to suffer under the administration. ISIS is all but defeated, jobs are coming back, taxes were reduced, many people are getting bonuses, North Korea is coming to the Olympics, and we're no longer in the TPP.

    Not to mention, if you happen to live in Puerto Rico, free paper towels.
    Who doesn't love free paper towels?

  15. People dislike feeling dumb by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Mary: It's okay to be smarter than everybody else, but you can't go around pointing it out.
    Sheldon: Why?
    Mary: Because people don't like it!

    Sorry for the quote. It's rare that BBT-quotes are on topic, so let me have that moment.

    People don't dislike smart leaders. They dislike people that make them feel stupid. And with half of the people that's pretty easy to do if your intelligence is even just average. What they like is people that make them feel smart and superior. And that's easy to do for someone who comes across as an idiot.

    That might have been true for Bush Jr., but not for Trump. Trump is an asshole, but he ain't stupid. He doesn't even fake being stupid. Then why does Trump "work"? Well, mostly because Hillary didn't, but even that's secondary. Trump offers easy answers to very complicated question. Answers that can be understood by anyone, and as long as nobody questions them or even has to implement them, that's fine.

    Unfortunately that only gets you so far. That's basically what fell the Soviet Union. Lots of rhetoric but very little substance in the end, and the smokescreen of martial words and promises eventually evaporates.

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  16. Re:Paradox of intelligence by Gaxx · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nope.. I'm afraid that thinkwaitfast was correct. It's a republic (a representative one) rather than a democracy - at least in the technical sense. Two things keep it from being a democracy:

    1. Not everyone has the right to vote.
    2. There is a constitutional limit placed upon the majority will. As a result, the government representing the majority vote is unable to necessarily enact their will if doing so violates the constitution.

    The differences are subtle, though, in modern democratic republics:

    https://www.diffen.com/differe...
    https://keydifferences.com/dif...

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