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Australian Birds of Prey Are Deliberately Setting Forests On Fire (cosmosmagazine.com)

An anonymous reader writes: If you've been counting the ways the Australian environment is trying to kill you, you can now add "arson" to the list. According to a six-year study published in The Journal of Ethnobiology, observers have confirmed what Aboriginal rangers have been observing for years: birds of prey routinely carry burning or smouldering sticks into dry grassy areas to scare small mammals into fleeing so they can be pack-hunted more effectively. This has implications for environmental management, since the best firebreak will not protect your controlled burn from a "firehawk" determined to breach it.

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  1. I hope by dwywit · · Score: 4, Insightful

    that I don't get targeted by a short-sighted wedge-tailed eagle.

    That's a *hell* of a fear to overcome - and a hell of leap for a hunter to make. It's not like they'd accidentally pick up a burning stick and remember that dropping it in just the right area results in lots of dinner running about in the open.

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    1. Re:I hope by yndrd1984 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's not like they'd accidentally pick up a burning stick and remember that dropping it in just the right area results in lots of dinner running about in the open.

      I could easily see them picking up and dropping sticks to scare prey out of small grassy patches.

      Adding the 'smoking sticks sometimes work even better' part doesn't seem like that much of a stretch.

    2. Re: I hope by slazzy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If you watch some videos on what ravens have leared to do, it wouldn't come as a surprise. I'm not saying it's true, but it isn't any more complex than things other birds do.

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    3. Re: I hope by vtcodger · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Birds are intelligent. They can learn from mistakes."

      Yep, it is the ability to learn from mistakes that distinguishes them from humans. ... Well ... that ... and feathers.

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    4. Re: I hope by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If you watch some videos on what ravens have leared to do, it wouldn't come as a surprise. I'm not saying it's true, but it isn't any more complex than things other birds do.

      A hobby the wife and I have is birding. Aside from traveling to various sites, we have a lot of feeders in our back yard.

      And some of the intelligence shown by these critters perplexes me. From Blue Jays throwing out seeds to other critters like doves or squirrels to feed them, or one particularly strange moment, after I rescued a baby Bluejay from our backyard pond. The little critter was pretty pathetic, and I put a hair dryer a couple feet from him to warm him up. After 15 minutes, the little one flies away. A couple hours later, I'm sitting at the table on the patio enjoying a beer, and an adult Blue Jay flies in lands a foot away from me and starts opening and closing his bill and making clacking noises. After 30 seconds or so it flies off. I'd never seen that behavior before.

      Something interesting seems to be going on in those little heads. Couldn't say what for certain.

      As for the Ravens and crows, I've seen interesting activity out of them. Picking up burning sticks to flush out prey by watching what happens when there is a fire and learning to invoke new fires would not surprise me at all.

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    5. Re:I hope by ravenshrike · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wow you're a fucking idiot. Wildfires don't cause long term loss of habitat in grasslands. Hell, they don't cause long term loss of habitat in forests unless a bunch of complete fucking MORONS pass a bunch of legislation not allowing them to occur on a regular basis and let the brush build up to forest-destroying levels.

    6. Re:I hope by rmdingler · · Score: 2

      Thank you for the kind words. Your encouragement has given me the impetus to elaborate.

      There is a secondary (and likely a tertiary) effect of the birds behavior, even if we stipulate it is an intentional learned behavior. Unlike human intelligence, it seems unlikely the birds' capacity for learning would ever leap to these longer range consequences.

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    7. Re: I hope by Atomic+Fro · · Score: 2

      I learned after watching Cooked that traditional aboriginal farming involves burning the grasslands and picking up the precooked critters. Climatologists blame the technique for all sorts of nastiness.

      However, after reading some of the inconsistencies in the brief wikipedia article, I have to wonder if the aboriginals learned the technique from the birds.

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  2. Firebirds by Templer421 · · Score: 2

    But not Pontiac.

  3. Time to write Australia off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Surely it's time to just give up on Australia. It's the same temperature as the sun, every single creature there wants to either kill you or give you an STD and now even the god damn birds are trying to set the whole country ablaze.

    Maybe it's time to just board up the windows and move to a less murderous country.

    1. Re:Time to write Australia off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      If the animals are giving you an STD you're doing nature watching wrong.

    2. Re:Time to write Australia off by Evtim · · Score: 4, Funny

      Death held out a hand. I WANT, he said, A BOOK ABOUT THE DANGEROUS CREATURES OF FOURECKS-

      Albert looked up and dived for cover, receiving only mild bruising because he had the foresight to curl into a ball.

      After a while Death, his voice a little muffled, said: ALBERT, I WOULD BE SO GRATEFUL IF YOU COULD GIVE ME A HAND HERE.

      Albert scrambled up and pulled at some of the huge volumes, finally dislodging enough of them for his master to clamber free.

      HMM... Death picked up a book at random and read the cover. "DANGEROUS MAMMALS, REPTILES, AMPHIBIANS, BIRDS, FISH, JELLYFISH, INSECTS, SPIDERS, CRUSTACEANS, GRASSES, TREES, MOSSES, AND LICHENS OF TERROR INCOGNITA, " he read. His gaze moved down the spine. VOLUME 29C, he added. OH. PART THREE, I SEE.

      He glanced up at the listening shelves. POSSIBLY IT WOULD BE SIMPLER IF I ASKED FOR A LIST OF THE HARMLESS CREATURES OF THE AFORESAID CONTINENT?

      They waited.

      IT WOULD APPEAR THAT-

      "No, wait master. Here it comes."

      Albert pointed to something white zigzagging lazily through the air. Finally Death reached up an caught the single sheet of paper.

      He read it carefully and then turned it over briefly just in case anything was written on the other side.

      "May I?" said Albert. Death handed him the paper.

      "'Some of the sheep, '" Albert read aloud. "Oh, well. Maybe a week at the seaside'd be better, then."

      WHAT AN INTRIGUING PLACE, said Death. SADDLE UP THE HORSE, ALBERT. I FEEL SURE I'M GOING TO BE NEEDED.

    3. Re:Time to write Australia off by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      Or maybe it's because the most common clamidia carrier in the country often results in pictures like this: https://photos.travelblog.org/...

  4. Firewolves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That's interesting about the avian predators. We have a ranch where we have a pack of wolves that works with us to herd and defend our livestock against their wild cousins. Nothing keeps wild wolves away from our livestock like the wolves that adopted our ranch decades ago. Some of these ranching wolves use fire. They'll feed sticks into a bonfire and they'll take hot brands out of a bonfire and carry them away. This is an issue we have to be careful of and attentive to if we have a fire going. It's cute until they have a ring of fire going around you... Man is not the only hunter with intelligence.

    1. Re:Firewolves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They get a territory with protection from their primary predator (humans) plus a share of the kill - it's pretty easy work for them with a reliable year round food source unlike out in the wild where winter can be leaner.

  5. Vernor Vinge predicted this by wssddc · · Score: 2

    Vernor Vinge predicted birds starting fires in Marooned in Realtime.

  6. I'll take by bobstreo · · Score: 2

    Things that want to kill you in Australia for $400 Alex.

    If there was a concerted effort to clean-up brush before it created a firenado, the birds wouldn't have to...

  7. Vulture "mathematician" by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2

    It has bigger implications than that. Just how intelligent animals really are?

    Some decades ago some friends and I were driving through the forest just north of "The Geysers" in northern California.

    The road was a two-lane cut through tall trees. A buzzard (probably a california condor) flew out of the trees at about eight feet above the ground and dropped a squirrel on the road about 12 feet in front of our car.

    The squirrel bounced, landed, rolled onto its feet, and ran pell-mell into the woods, getting off the road before our car reached him.

    The Buzzard then followed our car for several miles on the low-speed road, buzzing us and sometimes trying to get into it through the open windows (air conditioner was out on a hot day), which we quickly closed. Eventually it gave up or was left behind.

    We think the buzzard had figured out that, not only did cars often hit small animals, producing tasty road kill, but that if you dropped on in front of a car you could create tasty road kill.

    We refer to this bird as "the mathematician" - because he was obtaining a squirrel dinner from a live squirrel by reducing it to a previously solved problem.

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    1. Re:Vulture "mathematician" by dryeo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The crows around here have the lights at the intersections figured out. Drop a nut on the road, wait for the red light, and pick up the pieces of nut meat.
      Then there are the Stellars Jay's who like to lure the cats out into the middle of the road.
      Birds adjust to cars quite well.

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  8. Re:Until?!?? by Gavagai80 · · Score: 2

    Humans can eliminate all other large species only by driving humanity to extinction at the same time -- and even at the cost of our own extinction, we're incapable of wiping out all insect life with all the nukes at our disposal. Also, if insects eliminate all humans they can continue happily on with their lives -- if humans eliminate all insects, we go extinct. It's clear whose position is stronger.

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  9. Fire in Australia by thePsychologist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Fire and Australia have an intimate relationship. Aborigines and later Australians have been setting fire to this country for centuries to manage agriculture and wild game. Many animals depend on fire to set free the seeds of certain Eucalypts and certain ecosystems also depend on the fire-regrowth cycle. This study adds to the mystique of fire in Australia.

    For those who have never visited, if you spend a little time in outback Austrlalia, there is something undefinable here that will burn into your soul.

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    1. Re:Fire in Australia by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      there is something undefinable here that will burn into your soul.

      That's just the brownsnake poison paralysing the muscles of your heart.