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Vaping Can Be Addictive and May Lure Teenagers to Smoking, Science Panel Concludes (nytimes.com)
A national panel of public health experts concluded in a report released on Tuesday that vaping with e-cigarettes that contain nicotine can be addictive and that teenagers who use the devices may be put at higher risk of switching to traditional smoking. From a report: Whether teenage use of e-cigarettes may lead to conventional smoking has been intensely debated in the United States and elsewhere. While the industry argues that vaping is not a steppingstone to conventional cigarettes or addiction, some antismoking advocates contend that young people become hooked on nicotine, and are enticed to cancer-causing tobacco-based cigarettes over time. The new report by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine is the most comprehensive analysis of existing research on e-cigarettes. It concluded the devices are safer than traditional smoking products and that they do help smokers quit, citing conclusive proof that switching can reduce smokers' exposure to deadly tar, numerous dangerous chemicals and other carcinogens.
Scientists discover that teenagers make poorer decision to that of adults. Shocking, I know!
Life is not for the lazy.
We understand how people can get addicted to opiates and when the supply runs our or their money dries up, they switch to heroin as a cheaper and more widely available source of the high but with eCigarettes, that doesn't hold up.
Vaping is CHEAPER than smoking. Vaping supplies are widely available.
It's nonsensical to think that people would seek alternatives to the cheaper method that they're already using.
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
Nicotine is an interesting drug with a lot of psychoactive properties. There's a reason it's popular.
However, try to find data on health impacts from infrequent use, or infrequent smoking, or even to suggest such a thing is possible, is not very easy to do.
Likewise, quantitative data on the beneficial effects of smoking is very difficult to find. There is evidence for increased memory performance, mood stabilizing, and possible anti-psychotic effects.
There's no question smoking is bad for you.. but drugs have benefits and side effects, and personally, I'd like to know both.
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Nicotine is optional in e-cigs. I know a lot of people that smoke the flavors without nicotine.
In those instances, I would assume that e-cigs are not addictive.
Nicotine is also not necessarily in the vaping fluid. A recent survey showed about 1/3 of teen use was non-nicotine. (Whether this means it was drug-free or the nicotine was substituted by another drug was not mentioned.)
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"...public health experts concluded in a report released on Tuesday that vaping with e-cigarettes that contain nicotine can be addictive..."
Wait, you mean nicotine-infused products are still addictive? Gee, can't imagine how that wasn't rather fucking obvious after Big Tobacco agreed to a couple hundred billion in medical settlements 20 years ago.
Starbucks. Big Pharma. Gaming. Social Media. Addiction is nothing more than 21st Century Capitalism. If you're not making a patented/trademarked product that's physically, mentally, or psychologically addictive these days, investors will be quick to point out that you're fucking doing it wrong.
From personal experience, as a smoker for 15 years, smoking upwards of 2 packs a day, switching to vape HAS made a tremendous impact on my bank account and how I feel. It tastes better than cigarettes (DUH!), my lungs don't hurt, I don't wheeze anymore, my car doesn't smell like ciggarettes, and I don't have ashes everywhere. Switching to vapor has been a solid WIN for me. I have been vaping almost 4 years now and successfully quit smoking. I thought one day I would try and smoke a ciggarette and I couldn't finish it and thought, how the HELL did I start doing this in the FIRST place! So honestly, I don't see how vaping could LEAD a person to smoking...that to me is INSANE. Only a weak minded fool would do that...sadly there are too many of those around.
I've never in my life heard of ANYONE who went from vaping to smoking. I have, however, known quite a few people who went from smoking to vaping. And I can tell you that it's nice to switch to an alternative that doesn't leave you hacking up phlegm, gasping for breath, and smelling like shit. Vaping may not be as healthy as not vaping, but it's sure as shit a lot healthier than smoking tobacco.
Of course moral puritans want everyone to quit cold-turkey. But never let perfect be the enemy of good.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
There is an enormous push by the tobacco industry to take over vaping via regulation to hinder competition. If they can press into service "useful idiots", i.e. moral busybodies, all the better.
See also taxi services trying to tie up Uber and Lyft.
I'm ready for my downmod, busybodies^H^H^H^H^H^H Mr. Demille!
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
No evidence has yet shown a definitive link between MJ smoking and lung cancer. But MJ smoke contains many of the same known carcinogens as tobacco smoke, or smoke from burning ANY kind of dried plant material, for that matter.
The lack of cancer in pot smokers then would seem to come down to a few key differences:
The amount of material being smoked. Even the heaviest pot smoker is going through a LOT less material and inhaling a LOT less smoke than your typical tobacco smoker. A pack of cigarettes is the rough equivalent of an ounce of pot as far as the amount of material being burned and inhaled. A pack or more a day cigarette habit is pretty common, but smoking that much pot per day would be pretty much incapacitating for most users.
Tobacco is typically treated with all kinds of additives, burn rate modifiers, flavorings, "impact boosters", etc. Marijuana is just dried flowers.
The tobacco plant has a natural tendency to sequester radioactive material from the soils it is grown in. Commercial tobacco is usually grown using rock phosphate as a fertilizer, which contain trace amounts of polonium, uranium, radium, and thorium, all of which stay in the leaves and are inhaled when the tobacco is smoked.
In the lungs, nicotine acts like a bronchoconstrictor, tightening up airways and paralyzing the cilia of the lungs, reducing their ability to sweep out and remove deposited particulates from the smoke. THC and other cannabinoids are bronchodilators, which may enhance the ability of the lungs to "self clean" to some degree after smoking.
Many of the cannabinoids also have documented anti-cancer properties in and of themselves.
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I guess phillip morris and co aren't really getting the desired product adherence on their "heat-not-burn-definetely-not-vape" product, so they're back to old tactics of subsidizing "may" studies about vaping. I am a vaper, and I will tell you for sure: vaping IS addictive, surely a habit, and to an extent can be a social reason to transition to cigarretes, but the correlation of that transition on the young population is more likely to be out of individuals' environment for vaping already being a biased environment for smoking.
So until we get a study that takes into account this correlation, to me this is just more propaganda from a scientific lobby that is financed by an industry that has been in steep decline, not only due to e-cigarettes but also from societal patterns changing in evolved countries. I hope vaping goes away eventually - I love it, but it is a lesser evil. And by being the lesser evil of tobacco, I hope tobacco goes away much sooner than vaping. Because I know with a high degree of certainty I am more likely to die if I have a political reason to stop vaping and going back to smoking, you know, like the government baning ecigs...
If you really want solid science about ecigs, vaping, HEETS and real tobacco products comparison, you should lookup Doctor Konstantinos' Farsalinos work - he has been a reference in the unbiased nicotine research for the last 10 years now.
So no solid evidence, and breathing smoke, whether from burning building or tobacco or tree is worse for you than vaping.
Here's an idea, outlaw cigarettes, pipe tobacco, cigars...and let vaping be unregulated. Watch the lung cancer rates plummet.
Oxygen - the ultimate gateway drug. Once you start inhaling oxygen in a few years you'll move onto the smell of frying bacon, stopping to smell the roses, and eventually crack.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
I know two that put down vaping and moved to smoking - I _think_ their reason was that it was a more satisfying pull/effect. I also have one friend that just keeps switching from one to the other. I don't know if it's relevant and I agree that vaping seems a better alternative but I can't agree with the notion that no one switches from vaping to smoking.
Some people enjoy going for a sunday drive, or sightseeing, or engaging in various, entirely optional, automobile trips, purely for their own personal enjoyment. This activity is dangerous, and tens of thousands of people die every year on the roads. Should they be banned from driving?
There are very few people who believe smoking is completely safe, nearly everyone makes a choice between their personal gain versus their comfort level with the risks involved... just like driving.
This kind of stuff drives me nuts. The title of this article is misleading. If you read through you'll find this piece:
"The panel found evidence among studies it reviewed that vaping may prompt teenagers or young adults to try regular cigarettes, putting them at higher risk for addiction, but that any significant linkage between e-cigarettes and long-term smoking has not been established"
From what I read it looks like there is no significant linkage. The article also didn't give any specifics. Based on my reading it sounds like someone may have tried a cigarette after vaping. I bet if you compared those numbers to those who have tried a cigarette without vaping you would probably see a corollary. This article seems to try imply that there is a larger linkage. It feels like folks are trying to slant this towards their own agenda.
I hate how people try to villainize vaping. Here are some facts as someone who has quit smoking by switching to vaping:
Now I would like to emphasize that vaping is a habit replacement for me. Habits can be a mother f***er to break. I think it's the habit that is what makes smoking so difficult to quit. Read a great book called, "The Power of Habit" by Charles Duhigg. It was very eye opening. It's habits that are difficult to break. The physical addiction is over fairly quickly, but coming up with a habit replacement is what really made the difference for me quitting smoking and succeeding at it. I smoked for 15 years, tried quitting at least 15 times. I have been smoke free for nearly 3 years thanks to vaping.
Why keep vaping? Well see above. Also, the primary ingredients in most ejuice are vegetable glycerin (VG) and propylene glycol (PG). Both of which have been studied and been found to be safe. PG has been used in fog machines for years with no ill effects found.
Also, most of the studies that find toxins and the such related to vaping are from what's called a dry hit, meaning that you're essentially burning the wicking material because it doesn't have enough liquid, thus causing a different reaction than heating. One generally doesn't like the taste of a dry hit, it's nasty and if it happens you fix the issue by adding more liquid or replacing the atomizer. You still get more carcinogenics and toxic byproducts from a cigarette puff than a dry hit.
Not looking to start an argument, just wanted to put out what I've experienced and why articles like this tend to piss me off. As a rule I don't think anyone should start smoking. I would rather kids not vape too, it's a habit and there are risks of habit formation (even without nicotine, which creates an addiction on top of the habit); however, kids are going to want to rebel and b
As someone who just quit smoking in favor of vaping, yes, nicotine isn't the only thing that keeps you smoking. I think its the combination of nicotine AND the activity itself. Because I've NEVER been able to quite using nicotine replacement (patches, gum, lozenges) or just trying to divert my attention to other things (fiddling with things, etc). But the combination of nicotine AND an activity has done it, and broken the smoking cycle for me.
Right now i'm at 12mg of nicotine juice. Some friends have said "you should start cutting back on that", but for now, I'm not going to mess with it. Maybe a year down the road, I'll try to lower the nicotine intake, but for now, i'm more than happy. Physically, it's better. I was stunned when i started smelling things that I had missed out on for years. Who ever would have thought you'd smell gasoline at gas stations? I was looking for a spill or leak, but then realized "oh, i can smell again!". And, being in a high tax state, rather than spending $80 a week on cigarettes, I'm getting by with $6-$8 worth of nicotine juice.
I hadn't been able to achieve this in any other way but through vaping.
Because customers want the nicotine. You really couldn't figure that out for yourself?
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
Who's ass did you pull those numbers from? Almost every flavor of ejuice is available with different amounts of nicotine.
Availability does not ensure popularity. This study's survey showed only 1% of users using nicotine free e-liquid.
I'm looking at the full-text of that document. I think I see where you went wrong: What the paper says is "a 2015 review suggests that 1% of ejuice is nicotine-free", with the previous statement "Although some e juice is nicotine-free, surveys demonstrate that 97% of e cigarette users use products that contain nicotine."
Both those surveys were (ref3 and ref18) are available as full-text using a google search. Both surveys exclude non-smokers from the pool of ejuice users.
IOW, the 1%-3% figure you give is accurate for those who both smoke and vape. No surprise that smokers who also vape almost exclusivley use nicotine when vaping. Those who vape only (don't smke at all) comprise around 2/3 of all vapers (same article), and they did not present any figures for the nicotine content of the non-smokers vaping.
This is why your information is inconsistent with what the vapers are saying - your data covers those who smoke and vape while most of the vapers don't smoke.
I'm a minority race. Save your vitriol for white people.
...hacking up phlegm, gasping for breath, and smelling like shit.
After I finish a cigarette, I smell like an ash tray. If you smell like shit, you're doing something very, very wrong.
He's getting rather old, but he's a good mouse.
Tell those two you know to try e-juice/e-liquid containing "Whole Tobacco Alkaloid" instead of only nicotine, and they will start vaping, and stop smoking.
Nicotine is addictive? Stop the presses! Hold the front page! FFS, is stating the bleeding obvious the new fashion?
Here's the thing: vaping is almost certainly healthier than smoking. Many people--myself included--have successfully stopped smoking by switching to vaping. I can't think of any reason why someone who vapes should switch to smoking. It simply doesn't make sense.
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