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Apple Will Soon Let Users Turn Off its iPhone-slowing Software (cnet.com)

Following an uproar from customers last month, Apple on Wednesday said it's adding a feature to its latest iOS update that will let customers turn off software that slows down their iPhones. From a report: Apple in December revealed that it released software a year earlier that makes your phone run more slowly to prevent problems with its aging lithium ion battery, such as unexpected shutdowns. As part of the new iOS 11.3 update, iPhone users will get a recommendation if a battery needs to be serviced. Plus, they will be able to see if the power management feature that slows the phone's performance is on and can choose to turn it off, the company said Wednesday.

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  1. So will apple start servicing batteries then? by NumbDr9 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Every time I've taken an iphone into an apple store and requested battery service, they have come up with an excuse not to do it. They instead heavily pushing me to exchange for a refurbished phone of the same model. If Apple is going to start telling people when their batteries need to be serviced, maybe they will actually start servicing batteries.

    1. Re:So will apple start servicing batteries then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't understand why you wouldn't just tell them to stop talking and service the fucking battery. Were you scared or intimidated somehow? Do they have pictures of you with your mistress?

    2. Re:So will apple start servicing batteries then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      His icloud storage is filled to the brim with pictures of him, a dead girl, and a live boy.

    3. Re:So will apple start servicing batteries then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't understand why you wouldn't just tell them to stop talking and service the fucking battery...

      That would require the neckbearded iGenius behind the counter to actually admit that he doesn't know how to replace a battery...

    4. Re:So will apple start servicing batteries then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is you. I've taken 2 iPhones in for battery replacements with no issues or pushback.

    5. Re:So will apple start servicing batteries then? by WalrusSlayer · · Score: 1

      My experience was similar. Basically they ran some diagnostic that claimed that the battery was a 93% performance of a new one, and poked around looking for settings and apps that might be causing battery drain. They came up with a few things I could tweak, and just kept saying that a newer battery wouldn't perform much better than the one in the phone.

      Which is odd, as after two+ years I've definitely noticed my 6se+ dropping to lower percentages during the day than it used to, but I also go more frequently where the phone is not docked on my desk all day. So hard to say whether it's my usage pattern or the battery.

      The dog-and-pony show of going through the diagnostics and claiming that a new battery wouldn't help things definitely reeked of trying to dodge the discounted upgrade if they could get away with it. Which is the first time I've ever seen Apple's service do anything short of going the extra mile for me. I figure I have all year to take advantage of the battery discount, and will just see if reducing run-in-background and the number of apps with Location Services is a noticeable help. If not I'll go back and just insist they replace the battery, regardless of their diagnostic.

    6. Re:So will apple start servicing batteries then? by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Maybe someday they will start replacing batteries for a reasonable cost (like $29). Yeah, right! I wish.

    7. Re:So will apple start servicing batteries then? by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Yeah. Apple should have a policy of a $29 replacement of any battery, no matter what the diagnostic says!

    8. Re:So will apple start servicing batteries then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they are called sheep for a reason

    9. Re:So will apple start servicing batteries then? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      It is called the up-sale.

      If you go to the Car Dealership with a 12 year old junker, They will try to sell you a new car vs. Trying to service the old one.

      However sometimes the up-sale would be a better value, so you may want to consider it. You can always say "no" and get the battery fix.

      Like the dealership you are going to the Apple Store, not the Apple Repair shop.

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    10. Re:So will apple start servicing batteries then? by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Batteries have always been a consumable item. I hope you're not assuming they should be replaced for free short of an actual manufacturing defect. It's like me going back to the car dealership and saying "hey, my brake pads are worn out real quick" While true, it would be dishonest of me to also not mention that I autocross forcing me to use my brakes more often.

      Battery life is wholly dependent on factors such as usage and environmental conditions (are you indoor most of the time, or working in hot climate outside...etc)

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    11. Re:So will apple start servicing batteries then? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      They are called Trolls for a reason too.

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    12. Re:So will apple start servicing batteries then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Badda bing biatch!

    13. Re:So will apple start servicing batteries then? by oic0 · · Score: 1

      It's likely just a PITA to replace one and they probably destroy a phone on accident every now and then. The things weren't made to be changed. They were made to be disposable.

    14. Re:So will apple start servicing batteries then? by WalrusSlayer · · Score: 1

      Yes, one of many rationales they may have. Whether my phone's pristine condition would survive being cracked open for a battery replacement, even by a certified Apple tech, was definitely a question in my mind at the time. Which was partly why I decided to not push back hard this first time around. If the current battery really is in OK shape and can be improved via some settings, then there's one fewer incursion into a device that's not designed to be serviced.

    15. Re:So will apple start servicing batteries then? by phayes · · Score: 1

      All supported devices can get a one time battery replacement for $29 but phones models old enough to be out of support, Samsung phones, cars, boats, planes rocket ships, etc, are out of luck. With the extra demand caused in large part because Apple proposed that special offer, supply is currently tight so Apple is trying to get people that still have >85, 95 and even 95% of initial capacity to wait a little for supplies to be better and not have people with phones have to wait.

      And yes, while waiting for Apple to look at my aging rMBP’s battery that only charges to 65% I have personally seen a prick with 95% insist that HIS phone needed a new battery RIGHT NOW!!!

      I’ll be using the $29 cut price battery near the end of the year on my 7+ so that I’ll have a good battery as long as possible, It’s current 93% is sufficient to avoid major issues.

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    16. Re:So will apple start servicing batteries then? by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      Every time I've taken an iphone into an apple store and requested battery service, they have come up with an excuse not to do it. They instead heavily pushing me to exchange for a refurbished phone of the same model.

      Then learn how to be more assertive. They are required per Apple's corporate policy to replace your battery for $29.99. Tell them if they don't do what you ask you'll call the corporate office and complain right in the middle of the store and ask them to give you their Employee ID so you can complain specifically about them. I guarantee you'll get your replacement battery for $30. If that doesn't work threaten to make a State Attorney General complaint. You need to grow a pair. Don't let those high pressure sales people walk all over you. You show them who is boss.

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    17. Re:So will apple start servicing batteries then? by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      they are called sheep for a reason

      They're called Anonymous COWARDS for a reason.

    18. Re:So will apple start servicing batteries then? by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      why would you take a Samsung phone to an apple store for service?

    19. Re:So will apple start servicing batteries then? by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      It's likely just a PITA to replace one and they probably destroy a phone on accident every now and then. The things weren't made to be changed. They were made to be disposable.

      While it isn't a completely-trivial task, Apple doesn't use glue, per se, anymore (they use adhesive strips that are similar to the 3M "Command" adhesive (designed to release when "stretched")); so replacing the battery in the affected iPhones is not even close to a destructive process, especially for someone who has done a few of them before.

    20. Re:So will apple start servicing batteries then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Awwww the apple defense troop is here to shill. How cute.

    21. Re: So will apple start servicing batteries then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but Apple practically invented the non user replaceable battery going all the way back to the original iPod. Before that, I could get a replacement battery for any mobile phone made online and replace it myself. In seconds. In the middle of the day.

    22. Re: So will apple start servicing batteries then? by DigiShaman · · Score: 4

      Apple is rudderless on leadership. Normally that's been a "bad thing" for Apple and their pursuit of innovation since Job's died. But this time, it might scare them enough to re-design the next iPhone to be user battery serviceable friendly. I'm not saying they will, but given the public outcry from this, I'd say the odds have improved greatly of that being a possibility. Time will tell.

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    23. Re:So will apple start servicing batteries then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah yes, TheFakeTimCook complaining about anonymity.

    24. Re:So will apple start servicing batteries then? by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      Every time I've taken an iphone into an apple store and requested battery service, they have come up with an excuse not to do it.

      When was the last time you did this? Before or after the $29 announcement? And how many times is "every time"?

    25. Re:So will apple start servicing batteries then? by antdude · · Score: 1

      Also, they need to stock those batteries faster! Even Best Buy's Geek Squad guy said May 2018 as of late Monday morning PST! :(

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    26. Re: So will apple start servicing batteries then? by antdude · · Score: 1

      Hopefully, they will change. Same for their other products like Macs.

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    27. Re:So will apple start servicing batteries then? by phayes · · Score: 1

      Many of those expressing rage with Apple throttling iPhones with older batteries don’t own an iPhone, never did and never will.

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    28. Re: So will apple start servicing batteries then? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Guess what. An insignificant segment of their market cares strongly about easily user-replaceable batteries. Approximately nobody complaining about iPhones is saying, "Gee, if we could only replace our own batteries."

      There are advantages to having built-in batteries. It's possible to make the phone thinner (which is a marketing plus) without sacrificing as much battery.

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  2. Good of them, I suppose. by sehlat · · Score: 2

    Of course, the real question is: why didn't they do this when they put the slowdown software in in the first place? Treating your customers like milk cows makes it harder, not easier, to sell next-generation hardware.

    1. Re:Good of them, I suppose. by sycodon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just wait. People will turn it off, and then be right back to bitching when the phone suddenly dumps because the battery is dead.

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    2. Re:Good of them, I suppose. by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Of course, the real question is: why didn't they do this when they put the slowdown software in in the first place? Treating your customers like milk cows makes it harder, not easier, to sell next-generation hardware.

      Apple has spent years making their products so idiot-proof that a 3-year old can operate them. They cater to the milk cow generation of technically inept, which has made them a shitload of money.

      And the only thing that would ever make it harder to sell is if making a fashion statement with overpriced iHardware suddenly went out of style.

    3. Re:Good of them, I suppose. by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Of course, the real question is: why didn't they do this when they put the slowdown software in in the first place? Treating your customers like milk cows makes it harder, not easier, to sell next-generation hardware.

      I can think of two reasons: 1) It admits there is a problem. (even if it is a problem that affects every brand) 2) It adds "choice" to the consumer and Apple's philosophy is or was "it just works" by making the consumer decide something the consumer has to think. Apple wants to be seen as a company that thinks for you so that you don't have to.

      Yeah, they screwed up here and should have given a choice- but their reasoning probably was "let's do this to help out Granny McNubbins; she doesn't want to think about whether she wants speed or battery... let's just do it for her." They weren't thinking about the techy Chip McFly who wants to be able to decide how his phone works... from a market segment the Chip McFlys of the world trend towards Android, and the Granny McNubbins trend towards Apple. Sure, there is crossover.

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    4. Re:Good of them, I suppose. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The decision to slow down the processor in phones with a low performing battery was a good decision.
      The bad decision was to not spread the information about this choice and to not let someone (at their own risk) turn this feature off.

    5. Re:Good of them, I suppose. by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      That is simple answer. For the majority of the computing user base. You can slow down the processor speed and people will not notice it much, however if you lower the battery life they will.

      For the most part you can slow down a computer device by a large percentage and under normal use most people will not notice. 1ms vs 3ms for a task is still nearly instant to them. The fact that other factors such as bandwidth of a network connection, comes into play as well. However if you are use to your battery lasting 24 hours and it is down to 8 you really can tell even under modest use.

      Apples biggest mistake wasn't the feature, but not telling about it, and letting us know to replace a battery.

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    6. Re:Good of them, I suppose. by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      You can slow down the processor speed and people will not notice it much, however if you lower the battery life they will.

      I reckon they notice both. The main reason people replace phones is either 'it got slow' or 'the battery life got really bad'.

      Also the Apple thing about how old phones 'died in the cold weather' is something that only affects iPhones

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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    7. Re:Good of them, I suppose. by captaindomon · · Score: 1

      This. A sudden voltage fluctuation will crash the phone, and then they'll be mad about that.

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    8. Re:Good of them, I suppose. by hackertourist · · Score: 1

      Pfft, pessimist. I'm running the new OS on my 3 year-old iPhone and so far I haven't seen any pro

    9. Re:Good of them, I suppose. by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      Of course, the real question is: why didn't they do this when they put the slowdown software in in the first place? Treating your customers like milk cows makes it harder, not easier, to sell next-generation hardware.

      Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.

      More likely sequence of events:
      Customers keep calling complaining that their batteries are dying too fast because they don't understand the science behind Lithium Ion batteries
      Customer support keeps logging cases with this issue and eventually creates a Jira ticket titled "iPhone batteries are dying too quickly" because they are sick of being bitched at by customers
      Eventually the issue gets escalated
      The Product Owner becomes aware that this is a super highly escalated ticket and pulls the team together to talk about solutions
      One suggestion is to replace all the batteries but that would be too expensive and eventually the same problem would resurface later, no go

      Developer: I know! What if we made a software change such that when we detect that the battery is passed a certain point in its life we'll proportionately slow down the CPU so the battery life is roughly the same?
      Product Owner: How long does it take to implement that and how much effort is involved?
      Developer: It would be super easy and we could get that out in the next update!
      Product Owner: Perfect! Let's do that and close this escalated support case and go have a beer to celebrate!

      That's how all stupid software decisions get made. You see the PO and the developers probably got tired of people bitching about this problem and just wanted to not hear about it anymore but it didn't work quite like they thought it would.

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    10. Re:Good of them, I suppose. by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      Oh and just so you know. There was probably another part of this conversation:

      Product Owner: Shouldn't we give them a way to control this behavior in settings?
      Developer: Probably but this is a bug that came in out of band that we didn't plan for in sprint planning. If you want to do that it probably won't go out in the next release.
      Product Owner: Ok, let's do the quick solution for now and get it in the next release. I'll create a new ticket for adding the setting in a future release

      I kid you not. That's how stupid things are in Agile software development because no one can really effectively manage workloads or priorities.

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    11. Re:Good of them, I suppose. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could just not get a iShit product and replace the battery like EVERY other laptop and phone on the market. Apple users, you ask for the ass fuck. Now bend over and take it.

    12. Re:Good of them, I suppose. by trytoguess · · Score: 1

      If Apple makes the throttling the CPU an opt-out feature and warns people of the system stability issues before they can opt out I doubt there will be too many people bitching. And the people who do bitch will probably drowned out by the Apple fanatics I guess that works out.

    13. Re:Good of them, I suppose. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      batteries were not invented with the iphone 6. every person who has owned a laptop or phone knows that when the device gets old, it can turn off suddenly when the percent gets down to 10% or so. it's life. if you don't like it, pay for a new battery.

      better than having a phone that's permanently running at HALF SPEED.

    14. Re:Good of them, I suppose. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have evidently never had to deal with people. They will bitch and blame Apple for their own bad decisions.

  3. Too Old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't this statement about week old now ?
    https://9to5mac.com/2018/01/17/turn-off-iphone-battery-performance-throttling/

  4. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use an iPhone. Iâ(TM)ll be happy to have some indication of battery life besides guessing by its age. Most laptops have a soft of âoebattery life leftâ software. (Not to be confused with battery time left for use on this charge. I may or may not turn off the speed slowing options. Sometimes Iâ(TM)d rather my phone stay turned than wait an extra 5 seconds, especially if something important comes up and Iâ(TM)m not near a charger.

  5. Re:America will soon turn off the Trump traitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Keep dreaming... If you repeat a lie often enough, maybe it will somehow become true...

  6. Cars next? by dprimary · · Score: 0

    Will GM, Ford and Fiat, issue a patch that kills the engine instead of reducing the performance when the octane isn't high enough? What could go wrong?

  7. iOS 10 be damned. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They use their bogus power management tweak on iOS 10, but it looks like they're not going to go back and fix that version. There's lots of us that they'll have still applied their crooked deal to.

    1. Re:iOS 10 be damned. by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      Just going to say the same thing. The battery life on my 5C is still fine but stuck with iOS 10. Maybe an upgrade is in order. The last jailbreak for my phone was 9.something. It will be nice to get a shell and break down some of the walls and access the device the way I want.

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  8. They will still get blamed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now they will blamed for allowed phones to crash on a regular basis.

    1. Re:They will still get blamed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, why shouldn't they? It's their shitty hardware that's making it crash.

      Don't forget, the software "workaround" was never necessary. What they did is opt to use a battery that's not powerful enough to use the processor in the phone, and so they "worked around" that by slowing the phone down. Tricking people into buying new phones was just gravy, the main purpose was to hide a material defect long enough for warranties to expire.

  9. they are doing you a favor by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    they are doing you a favor. Most phones have more than one thing wrong. If your battery is that used then the phone is well used too. it probably has an abraded lens cover making your photos foggy in harsh light, it probably has lint in the speakers, it probably has some dents and scratches too. If you are going to shell out $120 for a new battery then for a $100 more you could get a whole new-to-you phone. It's a steal from nearly every apple owners point of view. For a few people maybe not. And they can take it to the shop down the street and get the battery changed for $75 instead if the cost is prohibitive.

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    1. Re:they are doing you a favor by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but what if the battery was $29, not $120? It might make sense to replace it, rather than throwing it in the garbage. Nah, just throw it away and replace it.

    2. Re:they are doing you a favor by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Naah, just put a sticker on your Macbook Pro saying you care about the environment and hate capitalism and go on chucking perfectly good phones and laptops in the trash where they poison otters and then getting Mum and Dad to buy you a new one. Similarly put a "I respect wamen" sticker on but keep having drunken one night stands of dubious consensuality and buy goatee oil made out of rendered otter fat even though the North American River Otter is endangered by mercury and organochloride runoff from e-waste landfills and hunting for goatee oil.

      It's all about signalling virtue rather than actually doing anything to inconvenience yourself.

      As it happens Porter Industries are selling a limited edition set of Save The Otter stickers and cases for your new Macbook Pro and iPhone! And we sell Goatee Oil too! Plus stickers for the Women's March!

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    3. Re:they are doing you a favor by goombah99 · · Score: 1

      How much is technician time worth? How much is the warrantee worth? how much is the risk they take on opening up a phone and breaking something else? How much was having the minder in the store run through some other diagnostics for you to avoid an unneeded battery change? (they do that for "free" for most people-- i've been told I don't need a new battery too.) A street corner vendor bypasses all that and takes no risk on using a lowbidder battery. So yeah they cost less and for somepeople they do just the job they want. Apple is selling complete satisfaction so they tak a more full service approach. Not everyones cup of tea but if your own time has any value then it certainly is worth it.

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    4. Re:they are doing you a favor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are obviously ignorant of the extensive iphone robotic dissassebly and recylcing program. makes you sound like a nincompoop.

    5. Re:they are doing you a favor by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      According to Apple it is $29. They are offering $29 battery replacements. Apparently you didn't know.

    6. Re:they are doing you a favor by pak9rabid · · Score: 1

      Yeah but not getting sued is also worth something, which is why it's now $29, whereas it used to be $79 before the bad-battery-throttle-the-hardware fiasco started.

    7. Re:they are doing you a favor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $29 is not their cost.

    8. Re:they are doing you a favor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bitter old Hal is whiny deluded right wing shill, yesterdays man struggling to cope with reality.sad.

  10. problem to be fixed is a non-removable battery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Making cell phone batteries non-removable is the problem. When my wife hiked the Appalachian Trail she took an old phone with a replaceable battery and a second $7 generic battery she could swap out. (A external battery pack is very inefficient, would have weighed well over 10x as much to get one recharge, as well as costing more.)

    I wonder when car-makers are going to build non-user-replaceable batteries into the engine? They are missing big profits in making the battery a $2000 dealer-only replaceable item...

    1. Re:problem to be fixed is a non-removable battery by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Making cell phone batteries non-removable is the problem.

      Exactly this. is there actually any technical or practical reason, beyond being just a money grab for Apple, for them to make batteries in future devices removable?

    2. Re:problem to be fixed is a non-removable battery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't believe their primary intent is to money grab. Apple had to choose between a slightly smaller (and possibly more solid) phone vs providing the option to easily replace the battery, They choose to cater toward those customers who would rather have a smaller phone at the price of having to replace it within 3 or 4 years. My guess is that most of their customers replace the phone within a few years anyway...

    3. Re:problem to be fixed is a non-removable battery by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Of course... but the fact that Apples patch would slow down devices with older batteries, and the fact that so many people complained about it, is evidence that people are at least keeping their devices long enough that at least one battery replacement in that time might be fairly normal.

    4. Re:problem to be fixed is a non-removable battery by dgood · · Score: 1

      I wonder when car-makers are going to build non-user-replaceable batteries into the engine?

      Like Tesla?

    5. Re:problem to be fixed is a non-removable battery by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      ...we must make the phone thinner...

    6. Re:problem to be fixed is a non-removable battery by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Are there cell phones with non-removable batteries? I haven't heard of them.

      There are batteries that take a little extra effort to replace, and if you're replacing one every three years or so that's no big deal.

      The external batteries I've seen for iPhones are fairly small, and reasonably convenient. My son's is built into his iPhone case.

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    7. Re:problem to be fixed is a non-removable battery by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      People apparently like to buy thinner phones, for whatever reason. I certainly wouldn't want one much thicker than the 7mm I've already got, and thinner would fit into my pocket better. Apple likes to build things people buy.

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  11. HOOF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ARTED

  12. new iphone feature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if the next version will have a state-of-the-art, cutting-edge feature, of a user-replacable battery...

  13. Please please please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Let some of the slow down software be the bloody gif/emote reaction box that's been added to SMS. I do not need it!

  14. They'll complain anyway by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They'll turn it off, then complain about their battery life being shitty and sue Apple for that. Never mind that the feature existed to keep the phone operating as long as possible with the battery capacity it has. Sure, who needs power management, right? Just run everything balls-out all the time and who cares if your phone only runs for 15 minutes before dying, right?

    1. Re:They'll complain anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This "feature" was aimed more at preventing the phone from rebooting when the CPU tried to draw more power than the battery could likely provide based on its age, but you know how it goes with people these days: never let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory. You're spot on with the rest though. People will turn it off, then bitch and moan about their phone's rebooting suddenly.

    2. Re:They'll complain anyway by crtreece · · Score: 1

      If only there were someway to easily replace the battery, none of this would be an issue. But that would make the phone 1mm thicker and apple wouldn't get to sell a new phone instead of new battery.

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    3. Re:They'll complain anyway by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      Sure, who needs power management, right?

      Power management you can't control? No one. Would you be happy with your screen permanently at 0% brightness? Would you be happy if your V8 car was permanently set to ECO mode with a speed limiter? Would you be happy with Microsoft capping your CPU performance at 75% to save your energy bill?

    4. Re:They'll complain anyway by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Hyperbole much? Cut back on the coffee maybe?

    5. Re:They'll complain anyway by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      If your phone is less than a couple of years old just get them to replace the battery under warranty. If not, it's $25 to get another 12-18 months of full performance.

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    6. Re:They'll complain anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's see, my iPhone 6 is 3 years old and after successive updates, the thing was crawling and slow. Battery life felt like 60% of what it used to be. But performance was less than 50%. I call bullshit on "extra processing power" for dialing a phone number as some people told me about "advanced improvements." B i t c h - basic functions should to lag 2 to 6 seconds. After downloading the app to measure the specs, my 1400MHz phone ran at 600MHz. that was why the phone was so sluggish. If battery life really being the issue, then why didn't the phone's CPU run at full 1400 MHz when plugged into the wall? Apple done f u c k e d up. End of story. When I changed the battery, performance was way up and the CPU ran at full 1400MHz. So stop with the excuse of power management.

    7. Re:They'll complain anyway by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Hyperbole much?

      Yeah it's hyperbole if an eye surgeon fucks up your surgery due to a crappy tech support call and you can't see the obvious point in front of you.

    8. Re:They'll complain anyway by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      You have no idea what you're talking about and need to shut up.

    9. Re:They'll complain anyway by david_thornley · · Score: 1
      Making the phone 1mm thicker would be a significant increase, and would probably reduce sales. Apple makes their money primarily by selling stuff.

      There's people on Slashdot whose desires in a phone or laptop are actually unusual, and they don't seem to realize it. I'm not even sure many of them have the Apple products they love to complain about.

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    10. Re:They'll complain anyway by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      My eye surgery didn't involve telephones of any sort. I don't see why one would. That stuff's normally taken care of outside the operating area.

      You have apparently proceeded from hyperbole to irrelevance.

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    11. Re:They'll complain anyway by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Nothing to do with you. Everything to do with the idiotic parent I was replying to.

    12. Re:They'll complain anyway by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      You have no idea what you're talking about and

      That's a very good explanation about why my phone which was advertised as one of the best performing on the market should be permanently gimped in a way that isn't in my control but my car should have a button to allow it to edge out performance. Thankyou for your insight and the value you brought to this discussion.

      need to shut up.

      Yes you really really should.

  15. Is Trump banging Hope Hicks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's what people are saying.

  16. Why can't they just explain it like it is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Show me a 3 dimensional plot on number of charges vs capacity with the battery level before charge as a color gradient and the other 2 dimensions on x and y.

    OR, tell me look man it's like you were painting then sandblasting a piece of aluminum over and over every time you charged and discharged it. If you were to use a massive sandblaster you'd get the paint of quicker each time but you'd probably eat up a little bit more aluminum each time as well. If you polished it you'd probably take years to remove any aluminum, granted you'd only get about 2 paint removals per year. Either way eventually the size of that piece of aluminum is going to shrink and there's gonna be less "capacity".

    Then as apple you'd have justification in saying, what we are really doing is extending the use of your current battery. The tradeoff is that it's going to slow things down because we need to slow down the energy draw.

    That seems a lot better than fighting about nothing and wasting time with everything else just because you are unable to see how different people understand the same god damned thing.

  17. Re:America will soon turn off the Trump traitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Keep watching, Trump could be grilled under a hot light by next week if he keeps trying to fire the FBI directors. Better get your ass cleaned for prison, bitch.

  18. Maybe there's a reason to reduce performance. by Walter+White · · Score: 2

    I'm not an Apple defender. I only own one Apple product, an old Macbook I borrowed.

    I have a Motorola 360 Smart Watch - first generation. When the battery got old, it began shutting down at anything below about 30% battery capacity. This was often provoked by any action that would turn the screen on - a significant battery draw - along with extra radio and processor operation.. I wonder if Apple was trying to prevent this issue by reducing processor power draw. I might have appreciated a similar feature that made my Moto 360 more useful as the battery got weaker.

    Of course this would also cause sluggish performance which would also motivate users to upgrade to the latest and greatest H/W.

    1. Re:Maybe there's a reason to reduce performance. by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      If only Apple would provide some explanation of why they did it, and post it somewhere on their website so we could read it.

    2. Re:Maybe there's a reason to reduce performance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean like this?

      http://www.apple.com/iphone-battery-and-performance/

    3. Re:Maybe there's a reason to reduce performance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a link to a message right on their home page at www.apple.com

    4. Re:Maybe there's a reason to reduce performance. by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Wow! You are a wizard!

    5. Re:Maybe there's a reason to reduce performance. by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

      I think the parent implied that such a page should have existed AT THE TIME they made the change.

      The wayback machine clearly shows that it didn't even exist until late December last year, and had been undergoing heavy modification since.

    6. Re:Maybe there's a reason to reduce performance. by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      I have a Motorola 360 Smart Watch - first generation. When the battery got old, it began shutting down at anything below about 30% battery capacity. This was often provoked by any action that would turn the screen on - a significant battery draw - along with extra radio and processor operation.. I wonder if Apple was trying to prevent this issue by reducing processor power draw. I might have appreciated a similar feature that made my Moto 360 more useful as the battery got weaker.

      Of course this would also cause sluggish performance which would also motivate users to upgrade to the latest and greatest H/W.

      If you believe Apple, that's what Apple has said. They slowed down the main CPU to reduce power draw to extend battery life, and prevent premature shutdown. The thorttling gets more aggressive as the battery gets more aged and is unable to supply the power required to keep the phone alive.

      Apple has said that things like the cellular modem are not throttled in any way - they will get full power when needed so you will not lose connectivity. As in, if you need to make that 911 call, the phone will slow the main CPU and all that so you can make the call.

      So yes, it's good and bad. Good in that maximizing how much time you can run on battery means if you really needed it to make that phone call, it'll at least try to keep itself alive as long as possible. Bad in that your phone slows down.

      The real question is, if it gets to the point where the phone cannot run on full power without emergency shutdown, will the setting revert to throttled mode so you can at least still use it? Because it would really suck if you switched throttling off, only to have the battery die immediately because it's just that worn out.

    7. Re:Maybe there's a reason to reduce performance. by cmseagle · · Score: 1

      wonder if Apple was trying to prevent this issue by reducing processor power draw

      You don't have to wonder! That's exactly what has always been the stated purpose of this has been since the very beginning, and their public statement makes that very clear!

      I don't mean to attack you on this point. The whole is situation is frustrating. I think that most rational people, if they understood why the phone was being throttled, would think - "Thanks, Apple! Would've been nice if you had explained this ahead of time, but it seems like a good way of handling the reality of li-ion batteries." Instead, we get headlines like "APPLE ENGAGED IN CONSPIRACY TO DELIBERATELY SLOW DOWN OLD PHOENS!!!1!"

    8. Re:Maybe there's a reason to reduce performance. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying is you had great performance for 70% of the time and yet you don't want the ability to have that anymore and instead want the your device permanently in limp mode? Do you run with 4G turned off? Do you always have 25% brightness on your screen? And how would you feel about both those not being optional and in your control?

    9. Re:Maybe there's a reason to reduce performance. by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      I only own one Apple product, an old Macbook I borrowed.

      Interesting. What other things have you "borrowed"?

    10. Re:Maybe there's a reason to reduce performance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what you're saying is you had great performance for 70% of the time and yet you don't want the ability to have that anymore and instead want the your device permanently in limp mode?

      That's not what he's saying because that's not what this does. It limits the top processor speed. Actions that don't push it to the limit aren't affected. Also, even at the first level of throttling the phones are still faster than their android contemporaries.

    11. Re: Maybe there's a reason to reduce performance. by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      It was in reference to "I wonder if Apple was trying to prevent this issue by reducing processor power draw." It was more of a "no shit sherlock, Apple fucking said as much, no need to wonder". The guy is two months behind the news. He could have added, "where the fuck have you been?"

  19. This would certainly save on recharging... by tlambert · · Score: 2

    This would certainly save on recharging...

    As soon as your battery is empty, get Apple o putt in a new, partially charged battery.

  20. Why dos Apple have to turn off the slowing? by tlambert · · Score: 1

    Why dos Apple have to turn off the slowing?

    Haven't people always been able to remove the Facebook App themselves?

  21. Re: America will soon turn off the Trump traitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only ones going to prison are the DNC/DOJ/FBI conspirators who have now been exposed as planting Russia Collusion evidence, then using that âoeopposition researchâ as basis for a FISA 702 to spy on political opposition HQ during an election. This is Watergate x 100.

  22. You have to insist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They tried to talk me out of it, too, citing some environmental reasons. Don't buy it: tell them you know corporate's publicly-available policy and insist.

  23. Silly silly by Mr_Silver · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As part of the new iOS 11.3 update, iPhone users will get a recommendation if a battery needs to be serviced

    The silly thing is that if they'd actually done this the day they implemented the throttling (thereby being upfront and honest about it) then there probably wouldn't have been any uproar.

    Yet again, it's Apple's reluctance to share anything but the bare minimum with their customers (who then go on to make assumptions about their motives) which has bitten them on the backside.

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    1. Re: Silly silly by Brockmire · · Score: 2

      But they'd have millions less sales. This was strategic and I'm sure they're still way more ahead than if they were honest about their deficiencies.

  24. Re: America will soon turn off the Trump traitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go on, attack the FBI, they're amused by you silly Putinbitches lol. You're a dumb faggot on an iphone in Russia, stay tuned for live updates on Trump going to prison over the next 6 months you bitches hahahaaaaa.

  25. Will they learn from this? by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

    I wonder if this means Apple will learn from this and stop making fundamental changes to existing devices without first notifying it's users.

    *pfff*BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Sorry, I tried to keep a straight face... I really did.

  26. Next in the news... by InvalidsYnc · · Score: 1

    ...Customers have a filed a class action lawsuit claiming "They allowed me to turn off the feature that prevented my phone from lighting on fire while playing Candy Crush, now all I have is 3rd degree burns, and no way to play Candy Crush!".

    1. Re:Next in the news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like apple needs more intelligent customers. But that isn't really their target market now is it?

    2. Re: Next in the news... by Brockmire · · Score: 0

      A "feature" that allows your phone to catch fire? No, you fucking idiot. If your phone catches fire, it is a defective product, you dumb piece of shit. You Apple fans are pathetic. Truly, truly stupid. SMH

    3. Re: Next in the news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow Grandpa! Get back on your meds! Or look up what the fuck sarcasm means. You dumb piece of shit that has no fucking idea of how to treat other people. You're pathetic.

    4. Re:Next in the news... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Apple will take any customer they can get. What they've been trying to do for a long time is hide all the messy details so the user doesn't have to deal with them. This means that people with more money than sense will lean towards their products.

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  27. Re: Canada fucking sucks!!! by Brockmire · · Score: 1

    Fuck you, too.

  28. 89.7% healthy battery by ryanvanderzanden · · Score: 1

    I read about this update just the other day, and I got to wondering "I wonder how aged the battery is in my 3 year old iPhone 6?" So I grabbed a copy of CoconutBattery and gave it a spin. Much to my surprise, after more than 900 charging cycles, my battery was nearly 90% of the original design capacity!

    I could understand cranking up the power management to the extreme if my phone's battery was in really bad shape, or disabling certain features that won't run really well on an older device. But according to CB, my battery was surprisingly new-like all things considered. So this just leaves me feeling more certain that the slowdown was caused by more than simply my battery's health.

    1. Re:89.7% healthy battery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your perception of "slow down" is simply your Apple hate making you feel like the OS is slowed down so you can rant about how Apple is crap, to your friends.

  29. Command.com by tepples · · Score: 1

    Apple doesn't use glue, per se, anymore (they use adhesive strips that are similar to the 3M "Command" adhesive)

    In other words, after saving the world from the DOS prompt back in 1984, Apple is back to using the DOS prompt.

  30. You could hear a pin drop by tepples · · Score: 1

    [Shutdowns due to power fluctuation from an aging battery] is a bug that came in out of band that we didn't plan for in sprint planning.

    Then why wasn't it planned for in AT&T planning?

  31. where's all the other phones rebooting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So they say it's because of an old battery, the phone reboots.

    Why then do we not see random reboots on every older phone that's using Lithium ion batteries?

    (haha, captcha is 'profited')