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The Doomsday Clock Just Ticked Closer To Midnight (usatoday.com)

Scientists moved the hands of the symbolic "Doomsday Clock" closer to midnight on Thursday amid increasing worries over nuclear weapons and climate change. From a report: The clock is now two minutes to midnight. "Because of the extraordinary danger of the current moment, the Science and Security Board today moves the minute hand of the Doomsday Clock 30 seconds closer to catastrophe," said Rachel Bronson, president of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists. "This is the closest the Clock has ever been to Doomsday, and as close as it was in 1953, at the height of the Cold War." Each year, the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, a non-profit group that sets the clock, decides whether the events of the previous year pushed humanity closer or farther from destruction. The symbolic clock is now the closest it's been to midnight since 1953. It was also two minutes to midnight in 1953 when the hydrogen bomb was first tested.

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  1. Scientists my foot by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Attention-seeking peaceniks is more like it.

    1. Re:Scientists my foot by HornWumpus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Their credibility has been gone for a _long_ time. Should be ignored.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    2. Re:Scientists my foot by richardellisjr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Considering they believe we are closer to doomday now that we were during the Cuban missile crisis I'd say your spot on.

    3. Re:Scientists my foot by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Russian and Ukraine had pretty tight trade relations. And then what happened?

      History and economics are not an exact science. Acting as though they are and assuming nothing but economic self-interest motivates people will lead you astray.

      Economic integration is good in that it leads to lower prices but it is bad in that it can reduce people's ability to feel like they can stand on their own two feet, especially if the integration is attempted between first-world and third-world countries, as the history of the past several decades shows. That's a psychological cost and it's a real cost. The real cost is that you lose your ability to make stuff. Not just the stuff you buy cheap from over there but also the other stuff that isn't so cheap to buy from over there. The latter happens because your industrial base is eroded and that's just plain bad.

      You don't see this as bad if you're a white-collar or academic type who goes to work to wrestle with abstractions of your own making instead of real things. That's a blind spot you have. And your pronouncements on the subject aren't the whole story. If you had an ounce of humility you'd understand that instead of doubling down on globalist dogma.

    4. Re:Scientists my foot by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Reagan used to say that freedom isn't passed down through the blood; it must be taught to the next generation. Same thing with loonie left nonsense like this. They'll keep talking, so we have to keep refuting them. The antidote to bad ideas in the public sphere is good ideas in the public sphere. Jordan Peterson and Cathy Newman is a perfect example.

    5. Re:Scientists my foot by k6mfw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nothing wrong protesting against actions of billionaires hellbent on starting wars where someone else's children has to fight them.

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      mfwright@batnet.com
    6. Re:Scientists my foot by mi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe. What is certainly wrong, however, is the allusion, that the protesters being "atomic scientists" (whatever that means) somehow makes their protest weightier and/or attention-worthy...

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      In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
  2. Doomsday Clocks are Stupid by avandesande · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They are a graphic for about a half dozen logic fallacies.

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    love is just extroverted narcissism
  3. It's closer now than during Cuban Missile Crisis? by geschbacher79 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think this idea of the Doomsday clock being soooo close to midnight reveals just how useless a measurement of crisis it actually is. They're suggesting that a global nuclear holocaust has never been more likely? More likely than during the Cuban Missile Crisis? Than when the president of China urged President Nixon to join him in nuking Russia? Closer than when Pakistan and India took turns testing nukes underground in the early 2000's? All of those years of the cold war where both the US and USSR had nuclear-armed bombers flying all around?

    The only location where a nuclear event is likely to take place would be in North Korea: If any event took place, it would have to be a limited attack by the North Korea, prompting a US response. But that isn't to suggest an entire global nuclear winter would necessarily follow.

    This is nothing but attention-seeking for the organization behind the clock and in no way measures the actual threat of a nuclear doomsday.

  4. Why wasn't the Cold War worse, again? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >> This is the closest the Clock has ever been to Doomsday, and as close as it was in 1953, at the height of the Cold War

    Hmmm...2 away minutes = global nuclear destruction in 1953 but 2 away minutes = incremental climate changes and a possible limited exchange (over North Korea, etc.) in 2018. Why are the goalposts moving?

    1. Re:Why wasn't the Cold War worse, again? by geek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They don't like Trump. He says mean things. Therefor, doomsday is approaching. Typical leftist hysteria

    2. Re:Why wasn't the Cold War worse, again? by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Or maybe, you need to take your head out of your ass and acknowledge that climate change is a real thing, threatening the health and stability of the human civilization on this planet, like 99% of the scientists believe.

      But since Trump says it's fake news, and he is a very stable genius, you might as well keep your head inside of your ass where it's nice and warm.

    3. Re:Why wasn't the Cold War worse, again? by pastafazou · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So now the potential of a couple of degrees of warming over the next half century is equivalent to mutually assured destruction at the hands of two antagonistic nuclear superpowers? Keep sipping that kool-aid...

  5. Re:It's closer now than during Cuban Missile Crisi by alvinrod · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think that their problem is that they continually wanted to protest some action and kept pushing the clock closer, only now they've run out of room and look damned foolish because all of these little political statements have add up to what we see now. As you point out when you look at it in a historical context, it makes you roll your eyes quite a bit.

    They clearly need to walk the clock back quite a bit and do so periodically when whatever new thing they're worried about fails to come to pass or lead to new cause for concern.

  6. Re:It's closer now than during Cuban Missile Crisi by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Pretty sure they also use it for climate change and other crazy shit instead of just nuclear war.

  7. Re:Donald Trump is president by geek · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Oh fuck off you whiny little bitch

  8. Re:Damn! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is there any situation not covered by XKCD?

  9. Re:DoomedByU by penandpaper · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And the cherry, the US, the Country FOUNDED on the principles of freedom, drops to 21....well done....
    http://theweek.com/speedreads/... [theweek.com]

    I have a hard time taking any analysis that ranks Germany, Canada, and the UK above the US. Hate speech laws. Arrests for tweets and facebook posts. Compelled speech... Not exactly bastions of personal freedom and civil rights. Any report that thinks countries that employ those laws are free are delusional and fundamentally flawed in their analysis.

    I honestly would not trade my citizenship of the US for with any other nation on Earth. The US has it's problems no doubt but the protections for individual liberty are still foundational. I can say what I want and I can defend my right to say it myself without the government.