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WikiLeaks' Julian Assange Asks UK Judge to Drop His Arrest Warrant (theguardian.com)

An anonymous reader quotes the Guardian: WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange, has asked a UK court to drop the arrest warrant that prevents him from leaving the Ecuadorian embassy in London, where he has been living for five and a half years. Assange, 46, skipped bail to enter the embassy in 2012 in order to avoid extradition to Sweden over allegations of sexual assault and rape, which he denies... Mark Summers QC told senior district judge Emma Arbuthnot at Westminster magistrates court on Friday that now that the Swedish case had been dropped the warrant had "lost its purpose and its function". He said because Swedish extradition proceedings against Assange had come to an end, so had the life of the arrest warrant... Arbuthnot said she would give her judgment about the arrest warrant on 6 February.
Judge Arbuthnot said she'd rule only on the legal issue, though the court had also received evidence about medical problems which included "a terrible bad tooth, frozen shoulder and depression."

Representing the Crown Prosecution Service, Aaron Watkins it would be absurd for defendants to be "rewarded with effective immunity" simply for having evaded proceedings for long enough.

229 comments

  1. Oh, he's got a "terrible bad tooth"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Fuck him

    1. Re: Oh, he's got a "terrible bad tooth"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But what about the depression!?!?!?

    2. Re:Oh, he's got a "terrible bad tooth"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No thanks...

      But he will have to leave the UK to get that looked at.

    3. Re: Oh, he's got a "terrible bad tooth"? by nanoflower · · Score: 1

      he would be even more depressed if he was in prison. He also might be a free man if he only left the embassy so it's hard to see how him having depression (if he really does) is an issue

    4. Re:Oh, he's got a "terrible bad tooth"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Found the American! Ever wonder why Americans hate Assange? Cuz he exposed American military committing war crimes (e.g., google Collateral Murder).

    5. Re: Oh, he's got a "terrible bad tooth"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The bad tooth and shoulder are characteristic of what could be heart disease if they choose to take him out that way instead of making it look like a suicide. They're just slipping minor things on so we can "make sense" of it instead of blaming an angry three letter agency.

    6. Re:Oh, he's got a "terrible bad tooth"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      to cut the parts showing people with weapons

      Yeah those AKs, in a wartime country where everyone carries an AK, are a real threat to the helicopter sitting several kilometres away.

    7. Re: Oh, he's got a "terrible bad tooth"? by dcollins117 · · Score: 2

      Clinical depression has a biologic basis. It seems like you think it is based on his circumstances. His bad tooth is particularly unfortunate since he is in the UK where they haven't yet discovered dentistry.

    8. Re: Oh, he's got a "terrible bad tooth"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      youâ(TM)re

      The fuck is this, Ivan?

      Off to Siberia with you, until you learn how to properly code a glorious Russian Bot of the People.

    9. Re: Oh, he's got a "terrible bad tooth"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, it's all a conspiracy by the big bad three-letter-agencies, and nothing to do with him trying to get out of rape charges

    10. Re:Oh, he's got a "terrible bad tooth"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > an armed group two or three blocks from a firefight between Americans and insurgents

      I mean, come on, it's not THAT hard to read one more sentence.

    11. Re:Oh, he's got a "terrible bad tooth"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      to cut the parts showing people with weapons

      Yeah those AKs, in a wartime country where everyone carries an AK, are a real threat to the helicopter sitting several kilometres away.

      AK and RPG, with US troops engaged in a firefight only blocks away. The helicopter fired to protect the troops, not itself.

    12. Re:Oh, he's got a "terrible bad tooth"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > an armed group two or three blocks from a firefight between Americans and insurgents

      I mean, come on, it's not THAT hard to read one more sentence.

      In the finest traditions of wikileaks the details that did not fit the agenda were edited out. ;-)

    13. Re: Oh, he's got a "terrible bad tooth"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "UK where they haven't yet discovered dentistry."
      Wanker. I'd rather have good NHS British dentistry than the holywood style crap in the US. And how's the dentistry in the flyover states, redneck?

    14. Re: Oh, he's got a "terrible bad tooth"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems like Assange's representation believes at least his depression is based on his circumstances, seeing as they're using it as an excuse to let him get out of his current situation.

    15. Re: Oh, he's got a "terrible bad tooth"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better than in a country where if they had invented dentistry would be required to ensure that he could be visited by a dentist.

      The alternative being cruel and unusual punishment, aka. torture, the very thing that he's fleeing from, and American slashdotters are claiming that nobody want to inflict on him in the first place.

    16. Re: Oh, he's got a "terrible bad tooth"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      British dentistry sucks, as evident by every single Brit having shit teeth.

      My teeth are perfect, straight and white thanks to proper American dentistry and hygiene.

    17. Re: Oh, he's got a "terrible bad tooth"? by eric_harris_76 · · Score: 1

      Wanker. I'd rather have good NHS British dentistry than the holywood style crap in the US. And how's the dentistry in the flyover states, redneck?

      While mocking someone for perpetuating an incorrect stereotype, you do exactly the same exact thing.

      I don't think you are a very nice person. Or a very thoughtful one.

      You are aware that not everyone in the flyover states makes and consumes meth, right? We have indoor plumbing and award-winning symphony orchestras, and other signs of civilization.

      But don't feel too bad. You aren't alone.

      Many of our own journalists were totally surprised the year two Missouri teams were in the World Series, and they discovered, while visiting St. Louis and Kansas City, those amazing facts, and others like them. And felt compelled to comment on them.

      Some of them even traveled the 240 miles between the two by car, and discovered the people in between could form complete sentences.

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  2. Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Technically, he still broke laws in the UK by evading arrest.

    1. Re: Breaking the law. by saloomy · · Score: 0

      Actually, he wasn't in the UK, he was in Equador.

    2. Re: Breaking the law. by Hal_Porter · · Score: 3, Informative

      He was in the UK until he stepped over the threshold to the Ecuadorian embassy.

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    3. Re:Breaking the law. by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1, Insightful

      what does 'evading arrest' really mean? in this context?

      in this context it means that some rogue set of governments was out to silence a vocal critic. I don't consider the governments to be in the right and so I dont' consider that a lawful order that *needs* to be followed.

      suppose a cop, on his own, commands you to do something that you don't believe is lawful? are you compelled to just follow orders? of course not. only a fool would think you have no power to judge those who are coming after you. not everyone that comes after you under 'color of law' is really under actual color of law. lots of things are very unclear and this was one of them.

      even besides technical interp of laws; there is the concept of judging BAD laws. classic example is southern civil war era and escaped slaves. it was 'illegal' to help escaped slaves and yet it was the correct and moral thing to do. but you would be breaking the law if you helped a slave seek freedom.

      laws are not absolute and we are men and women, not machines. we reserve the right to judge EVERY SINGLE SITUATION and act as we see fit. most of the time, the laws are aligned with how we see the world around us, but in some cases, they diverge and then we have to follow our own best reasoning.

      assange did not feel that the law was correct and I agree that he was being targeted unfairly. to escape a mob from killing you, that's not something I would criticize a person for! and that's exactly the case here; a mob of governments was out to get him and he did the only thing a sane person could do; seek asylum.

      so, yes, I think he was setup and he did what he had to do. surrendering to false charges from colluding semi-evil governments is not something I endorse. in the end, you have only yourself to take care of yourself and he did what he had to. I give no blame to him on this. as for the actual charges, too much doubt for me to judge him on that, but the sources all dropped the case, so that tells me most of what I wanted to know.

      leave the guy alone. just admit that the evil governments' clock ran out and they should stop throwing good money at bad, so to speak.

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    4. Re: Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was in the UK until he stepped over the threshold to the Ecuadorian embassy.

      ... to evade arrest.

    5. Re:Breaking the law. by Computershack · · Score: 5, Interesting

      He skipped bail, that is what the arrest warrant is for in the UK. It is nothing to do with extradition, it is nothing to do with the now discontinued EAW.

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    6. Re:Breaking the law. by Dan667 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      to be fair the charges against him were a thinly veiled attempt to extradite him to the US. It has very little to do about breaking the law.

    7. Re:Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He breached bail in the UK. That is an offence within the UK. If he ever comes out he will be arrested for that. If he doesn't then that is his decision. Also that is independent of the Swedish case.

    8. Re: Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Ecuadorian embassy is in the UK. He did not leave the country.

    9. Re: Breaking the law. by nojayuk · · Score: 2

      Julian Assange is still in the UK. The Equadorian embassy and its grounds are still British territory but the British government has limited powers under assorted diplomatic agreements codified in law to enter and otherwise interfere with what went on there.

      It's a subtle distinction but important. When the US missiled the Chinese embassy in Belgrade its wasn't treated as the starting of a war between the US and China like the Pearl Harbor attack in 1941, it was an attack on Belgrade territory.

    10. Re: Breaking the law. by Hal_Porter · · Score: 5, Informative

      Oh I agree. My point is that people saying he 'was in Ecuador' are wrong. He was in the UK. I actually thought embassies were the territory of the country who run them but it turns out that is not the case

      The UK can't easily[1] arrest him in the Ecuadorian embassy but he's still in the UK.

      And he skipped bail, which is illegal. So if he came out he'd be immediately arrested.

      [1] There are various ways it could arrest him, but they probably mean severing diplomatic relations with Ecuador which the UK government in unwilling to do. In practice unless the embassy is closed and all the diplomats expelled he's probably safe from arrest. However accepting that is not the same as accepting that he can leave without being arrested.

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    11. Re: Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It was self defense. The papers and badges are bullshit. He was running from kidnappers with guns.

    12. Re:Breaking the law. by plague911 · · Score: 0

      lol. "Im a Sovereign citizen!!!!! !!!Sovereign citizen! !!!!!!SOVEREIGN CITIZEN !!!! Go back to Waco nutjob.

    13. Re:Breaking the law. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      You can't be extradited from the UK for a crime that isn't also a crime in the US. So "thinly veiled" in this case means: determined to be a crime in 2 separate sovereign states.

      The only thing thinly veiled is is the excuses people make for him effectively not standing trial for any crime committed in many countries just because that country may have extradition treaties with the USA.

    14. Re:Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Give me a break. Your just making excuses for corrupt governments that have no issue breaking the laws themselves. Just look at what the US is doing to Kim Dotcom. He's following the law and fighting his legal battle and in the process being victimized and refused due process. He's never even been to the US and everything done was corporate. He shouldn't be held to some foreign standard. If that's OK then we should extradite you to China because you made political comments here and have purchased services / products from China at some point.

    15. Re:Breaking the law. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      what does 'evading arrest' really mean? in this context?,=

      Being told by the court to show up in the UK. Not showing up. Having a warrant issued for his arrest. Running away from that warrant.

      It really is quite simple. If you think this has anything to do with rogue nations, then you're over thinking it. The case that you mention against him was dropped last year already. But speaking of...

      assange did not feel that the law was correct and I agree

      To be clear the law we are talking about is the law of two independent sovereign states (UK and Sweden) who both examined the case against him and both concluded he has a case to answer for. What you're describing is also a breach of human rights and he could seek protection from the European Court of Justice ... but he didn't because quite frankly the notion of not standing trial for rape just because the country in question has an extradition treaty with the USA and they may sometime in the future put through a request is just absurd.

      Oh and then he broke his bail conditions, so you can add another very simple and very plainly obvious and completely unrelated crime to the list of why he should face the courts.

    16. Re: Breaking the law. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Breaching bail conditions and contempt of court include leaving the country while there's an active case against you.

    17. Re: Breaking the law. by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2

      Look it doesn't matter if the Ecuadorian embassy is Ecuadorian territory or not. Assange broke UK law, in the UK, when he broke his bail conditions.

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    18. Re:Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We would, but someone burnt our house down. Possibly before you were even born.

    19. Re:Breaking the law. by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      assange did not feel that the law was correct and I agree that he was being targeted unfairly

      Let;'s be clear about this. Assange was arrested for allegedly having sex with a woman who was asleep without her consent. Here in the civilised world, we call that rape.

      So you are saying that you feel the law against rape is not correct.

      You are a fuckwit.

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    20. Re:Breaking the law. by jeremyp · · Score: 0, Troll

      The charges against him were rape.

      In Sweden.

      He ran away.

      My conclusion is therefore that he is a rapist.

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    21. Re:Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So youre saying

    22. Re:Breaking the law. by quantaman · · Score: 1

      to be fair the charges against him were a thinly veiled attempt to extradite him to the US. It has very little to do about breaking the law.

      That was certainly his position, and perhaps even his belief.

      But the only evidence that this plan existed seems to be the fact news leaked about the US considering charges around the same time that Sweden did file charges.

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    23. Re: Breaking the law. by Hal_Porter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And its absurd to say just because someone broke UK law they should be held to account. I break Chinese law all the time when I criticize the Chinese government. I've never been to China though so why should I be held to account for unconscionable laws or under an unconscionable state such as the UK where you can't possibly get a fair trial?

      That's a ridiculous thing to say. Criticizing China outside of China is not the same as going to Sweden and raping someone.

      Assange committed offences in Sweden that met the dual criminality test they needed to meet for him to be extradited.

      If Assange didn't think he could get a fair trial in Sweden or the UK then he shouldn't have visited them and broke the law.

      And any state that prosecutes someone where there is no victim of actual violence is not a conscionable state.

      SW and AA were victims of violence, and the Swedish and British legal systems are doing the right thing in prosecuting Assange.

      The state is violence and the only justification for violence is when acted upon from a reasonable self defense position. ie government attacks you then fighting back is reasonable.

      Well if you think like that then you're going to spend a lot time either in court or in prison.

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    24. Re:Breaking the law. by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      to be fair the charges against him were a thinly veiled attempt to extradite him to the US. It has very little to do about breaking the law.

      To be fair, the charges against him were a completely unveiled attempt to get a a rapist into court. It was all about breaking the law.

    25. Re:Breaking the law. by sit1963nz · · Score: 1

      Worse, what he did in New Zealand was not even illegal in New Zealand. Think of this as being arrested for doing over 100km/hr on the autobahn in Germany and being sent to New Zealand for a speeding ticket, except this ticket has 20+ years imprisonment attached to it. If New Zealand extradites Kim Dotcom they should also revoke citizenship for Peter Theil and all the other wealthy overseas people who bought their way into the country.

    26. Re: Breaking the law. by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      It was self defense. The papers and badges are bullshit. He was running from kidnappers with guns.

      That's pretty much my thought of it. Assange was fleeing from State-sponsored kidnappers acting on behalf of the corrupt US Oligarchy. I would even be OK with it if Assange had used deadly force in the course of fleeing from his criminal abductors.

      Strat

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    27. Re:Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > just because the country in question has an extradition treaty with the USA and they may sometime in the future put through a request is just absurd.

      Considering the person who brought forth the rape charge was attached to the US intelligence not so much.

    28. Re:Breaking the law. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Right, so all laws should be ignored.

    29. Re:Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the warrant is unconscionable in the first place than skipping bail simply doesn't matter as a moral position.

    30. Re:Breaking the law. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      He didn't run away. He was told he could leave Sweden. It was only after he had left that they decided they wanted him back. Even though they routinely question people in other countries, for some reason they wanted him back in Sweden to talk to investigators. No to stand trial, to talk to him.

      It's extremely suspicious. Assange believed it was an attempt to extradite or render him into US custody. He was willing to answer questions in the UK.

      If the Swedish were interested in justice they would have take the many available opportunities to interview him and move the case forward. Instead, they simply let the clock run out.

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    31. Re: Breaking the law. by Motard · · Score: 1

      Lordie, that's twisted.

    32. Re:Breaking the law. by Motard · · Score: 1

      Individuals don't get to decide what is unconscionable. Societies will decide that.

      If he had given himself up in the first place he'd be home by now.

    33. Re:Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The person he 'raped' said she wasn't rapped, but since the government fights these types of charges rather than the victim, the government decided to go ahead anyway. How are you a rapist if you've never rapped anyone?

    34. Re:Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No he wouldn't. Unless you are a total retard you should be able to see past the government ruse. You don't spend millions of dollars watching someone that is going to be "home by now". You spend millions because there are political reasons for doing so. The most obvious being some sort of extradition plot.

    35. Re: Breaking the law. by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      Lordie, that's twisted.

      "Twisted"? Really?

      Then please explain:

      If the New York Times and their reporters, who are US corporations and citizens respectively, on US soil, can't be prosecuted for publishing classified documents, by what right does the US have to seek out and prosecute Assange, who was never in the US, was a citizen of a different nation, received the classified data from another person who was the one that had actually stolen the data from the US?

      What if it were a US journalist trapped similarly on a foreign visit somewhere by Putin wanting to imprison him for publishing something politically sensitive in the US concerning Russia that Putin said were Russian State secrets? Would you back Putin's position? If not, why would you treat the US's actions differently?

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    36. Re:Breaking the law. by Motard · · Score: 1

      *Citation needed

    37. Re:Breaking the law. by phayes · · Score: 1

      Assange was allowed to leave Sweden, true, the rest is all lies and half truths.

      Assange refused to talk to the Swedish investigators until after the extradition proceedings had finished, broke his pledge to respect the UK's sovereignty (a condition of his being released from custody until the end of the extradition hearings), skipped bail and fled to the Ecuadorian Embassy and then imposed unacceptable preconditions on the investigators (all questions to be submitted before the meeting and Assange gets to choose those he is willing to answer).

      His claim that the Swedish charges was a pretext to an extradition from Sweden to the U.S is laughable given that such extradition would be much easier from the U.K and almost impossible from Sweden.

      Assange is a sexual predator with a messianic complex who is now stuck in difficult circumstances of his own creation and trying to play the clock to avoid paying for his crimes.

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    38. Re:Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is what Assange & his worshipers claim.

      Her claim is that after consensual sex with a condom, Assange waited until she slept, penetrated her without a condom & refused to stop when she told him to. That's rape in Sweden & the U.K. which is why the U.K high court accorded the extradition.

    39. Re: Breaking the law. by Motard · · Score: 1

      So you've dropped the kidnapping oligarchy angle? Now we're talking journalism?

      Okay, actually, journalists in the U.S. *can* be prosecuted for things they might do. But they're really good at knowing what they can and can't do.

      Still, many of them do, on occasion, spend time in jail.

      But if the U.S. actually wanted Assange, they'd have him already. The Brits had him but let him stay under some restrictions while some legal matters were resolved.

      When those weren't resolved to his liking, Assange bolted to the Ecuadorans.

      He's more of an embarrassment to the Brits than the Americans.

      That's his current situation.

    40. Re:Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rape is unconsionable.

      Why are you defending a rapist?

    41. Re: Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      golf clap, mod parent up

    42. Re:Breaking the law. by Motard · · Score: 1

      It takes a retard to see someone hiding in a a foreign embassy and call it a government ruse.

      If the U.S. wanted Assange they would have had him when he was first interviewed by the Brits and before he bolted for the Ecuadoran Embassy.

    43. Re: Breaking the law. by Motard · · Score: 1

      Please do. It promotes my reply as well.

    44. Re: Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Waits for the UK to extradite and prosecute Franklin Graham for violating UK "hate speech" laws.

    45. Re: Breaking the law. by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      He wasn't, and still isn't. The idea that embassies are sovereign territory of the embassy's country is a myth. There are various treaty obligations that give the nation a lot of rights, which is why the British police can't just go in and arrest Assange, but it doesn't make the embassy foreign territory.

    46. Re: Breaking the law. by Motard · · Score: 1

      Why would they do that?

    47. Re: Breaking the law. by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      They wouldn't have to sever diplomatic relations, it is just that the current system is that countries agree not to interfere with embassies on a mutual, largely informal basis. Nobody wants their own embassies searched, so they don't bring in lawyers and try to press what they're allowed to do; because actually they can do most normal law enforcement things, if they're willing to accept the diplomatic consequences.

      In short, deference to embassies is not based on law or treaty, even though there are related laws and treaties, but instead that deference is based on prospective diplomacy.

      It is an example of the Silver Rule in practice: Do not do unto others the things you don't want them to do back to you!

      The reality is that if countries have to fight over the pedantic details of when they can and can't search an embassy, everybody would stop using embassies. We'd still have overseas government offices, but they wouldn't have important employees in them, and they wouldn't have a strong diplomatic role or serve as a legit point of communication for the local government.

      Nobody cares about severing ties with Ecuador. They're about as important as any one city in India or Germany. Severing ties would be about as harmful as a nasty email from the Mayor of Foreign Podunkville. This is about countries like the UK, USA, Russia, China, etc wanting to protect their embassies from each other. Ecuador isn't even important to the conversation.

    48. Re:Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "to be fair"??

      "charges against him were a completely unveiled attempt to get a a rapist into court"

      There were no charges against him. He was not convicted in a court of law of being a rapist.

      Judging by the comments in this forum, we (culturally) are little different to the citizens of Salem who had 18 or so hanged for witchcraft a few centuries back. Guilty! Hang them!

      And let's ignore that Ecuador granted him sanctuary based on their own investigations that the US were out to get him. And that "The Obama-era Justice Department presented evidence against Mr. Assange to a grand jury, but no charges were brought" ... YET! [nytimes]

      It's not over. The US still want him, big time.

    49. Re: Breaking the law. by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      the Swedish and British legal systems are doing the right thing in prosecuting Assange.

      Sweden has routinely traveled to foreign countries to interview those they were unable to to get to come locally. They refused to do so with Assange. Sweden has less regularly held interviews over phone or video conference, but has still done so. They refused to do so with Assange.

      If they are doing "the right thing", then why aren't they following their own policies and practices? Assange "fled" Sweden when cleared of all charges. Then, after US pressure, they reinstated the charges, and started the process to try him again for the same offenses he was cleared of before. The US and Swedish systems don't align but he's effectively being tried twice for the same crime, which is allowed, but very unusual. Much more unusual than interviewing someone outside Sweden.

      So how can we believe Sweden's "doing the right thing" when they are breaking their own standards without rational explanation?

    50. Re: Breaking the law. by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Japan didn't immediately issue a public apology, offer reparations, and have a reasonable explanation for how they were aiming for a similar target and got it wrong.

      Have no illusions, an attack on an embassy is an act of war. But not all acts of war lead to war. The US didn't attack the Chinese embassy, they accidentally bombed it. There is a difference.

      Legally, the embassy is foreign soil. Attacks on it are considered acts of war. The foreign soil is by treaty, so it can be unmade, but for all legal purposes, it's "in" the embassy country. If two ecuadorians were to shoot at each other inside the ecuadorian embassy, would the UK government claim that there was a crime on UK soil? No, the land is ecuadorian by treaty, so the UK would leave it to the ecuadorians, unless explicitly asked to interfere.

    51. Re: Breaking the law. by BlueStrat · · Score: 2

      Waits for the UK to extradite and prosecute Franklin Graham for violating UK "hate speech" laws.

      Why would they do that?

      I believe AC above was attempting to point out the absurdity of infinite criminal jurisdiction. If Assange, a citizen of another nation, having never taken any actions either within or without the US, to obtain classified materials but were uploaded to WL by another US individual, if regardless of all that he is under the jurisdiction of and punishable under US domestic law, that such covers citizens of another nation within another nation's borders and legal jurisdiction, then the UK (and every other nation) would have every right to enforce their laws on the citizens of any other nations within those nations. Or, is the US the only nation whose legal jurisdiction covers anywhere and anyone in any nation, crosses any national borders, that they decide it does/they do?

      We used to have names for those sorts of regimes a few decades ago, but they have seemingly vanished from our lexicon since we've grown fat and lazy and allowed our own nation to become one or more of those names. We have met the enemy and they is us, but we just want someone to hate & blame, and certainly don't want to acknowledge our own responsibility for and role in the current situation which is the only way things will ever get better.

      Strat

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    52. Re: Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The UK by law cannot extradite someone to the US or any other country that executes people when the subject faces the prospect of execution.

      Espionage is a capital crime in the US, and leaked documents revealed that the US gov considered assassinating him. (This is why he hates/fears Sec. Clintton enough to flirt with Trump. She floated the idea in a meeting.)

      Sweden does not execute people, so the UK could extradite him to there, and also has a documented history of looking the other way while the CIA kidnaps people in their territory.

      Do you see why he might have very reasonably feared for his life in that scenario?

    53. Re:Breaking the law. by quenda · · Score: 1

      Charges? What charges? There never were any charges from Sweden.
      Why do people keep repeating this lie?

      There was an investigation, but no evidence to bring charges.

    54. Re: Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assange committed offences in Sweden that met the dual criminality test they needed to meet for him to be extradited.

      Allegedly.

      If Assange didn't think he could get a fair trial in Sweden or the UK then he shouldn't have visited them and broke the law.

      Allegedly.

      If you're going to be pedantic about the legal system and processes, then you might want to be equally pedantic about the fact that Assange has been neither tried nor found guilty of anything as of yet.

      He may or may not be, but the things you state as apparent facts in your post are anything but.

      'k?

    55. Re:Breaking the law. by ag0ny · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Right, so all laws should be ignored.

      What the fuck are you talking about? Is this the level you people have sunk to? Don't put words on other people's mouths.

      Follow the laws of the region you're in. Period.

      If you live in country A performing an activity that's legal where you live, don't expect country B to come after you because such activity is illegal in B's legal system. Why is this so difficult to understand?

      Kim Dotcom, a naturalized New Zealand citizen who has never set foot on the USA, and who was running a business based in NZ, 100% compliant with NZ's laws, is targetted by the US because they didn't like what his business did. Not only that: they destroy his business, seize his assets, and now drag him in a legal battle that's taking him years and millions of dollars to fight.

      How is this fair? The US is the world's biggest fucking bully. Just another corrupt regime. A big one.

    56. Re: Breaking the law. by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      We say "X allegedly committed the offense" if X is on trial because of the notion that people are innocent until proven guilty. I see no reason to say when X is a fugitive from justice.

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    57. Re: Breaking the law. by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Because he's not merely wanted for interview. He's wanted for a final interrogation prior to arrest.

      https://www.newstatesman.com/d...

      Four: "The Swedes should interview Assange in London"

      This is currently the most popular contention of Assange's many vocal supporters. But this too is based on a misunderstanding.

      Assange is not wanted merely for questioning.

      He is wanted for arrest.

      This arrest is for an alleged crime in Sweden as the procedural stage before charging (or "indictment"). Indeed, to those who complain that Assange has not yet been charged, the answer is simple: he cannot actually be charged until he is arrested.

      It is not for any person accused of rape and sexual assault to dictate the terms on which he is investigated, whether it be Assange or otherwise. The question is whether the Swedish investigators can now, at this stage of the process, arrest Assange.

      Here the best guide is the High Court judgment. In paragraph 140, the Court sets out the prosecutor's position, and this should be read in full be anyone following this case:

      140. Mr Assange contended prior to the hearing before the Senior District Judge that the warrant had been issued for the purpose of questioning Mr Assange rather than prosecuting him and that he was not accused of an offence. In response to that contention, shortly before that hearing, Mrs Ny provided a signed statement dated 11 February 2011 on behalf of the Prosecutor:

      "6. A domestic warrant for [Julian Assange's] arrest was upheld [on] 24 November 2010 by the Court of Appeal, Sweden. An arrest warrant was issued on the basis that Julian Assange is accused with probable cause of the offences outlined on the EAW.

      "7. According to Swedish law, a formal decision to indict may not be taken at the stage that the criminal process is currently at. Julian Assange's case is currently at the stage of "preliminary investigation". It will only be concluded when Julian Assange is surrendered to Sweden and has been interrogated.

      "8. The purpose of a preliminary investigation is to investigate the crime, provide underlying material on which to base a decision concerning prosecution and prepare the case so that all evidence can be presented at trial. Once a decision to indict has been made, an indictment is filed with the court. In the case of a person in pre-trial detention, the trial must commence within 2 weeks. Once started, the trial may not be adjourned. It can, therefore be seen that the formal decision to indict is made at an advanced stage of the criminal proceedings. There is no easy analogy to be drawn with the English criminal procedure. I issued the EAW because I was satisfied that there was substantial and probable cause to accuse Julian Assange of the offences.

      "9. It is submitted on Julian Assange's behalf that it would be possible for me to interview him by way of Mutual Legal Assistance. This is not an appropriate course in Assange's case. The preliminary investigation is at an advanced stage and I consider that is necessary to interrogate Assange, in person, regarding the evidence in respect of the serious allegations made against him.

      "10. Once the interrogation is complete it may be that further questions need to be put to witnesses or the forensic scientists. Subject to any matters said by him, which undermine my present view that he should be indicted, an indictment will be lodged with the court thereafter. It can therefore be seen that Assange is sought for the purpose of conducting criminal proceedings and that he is not sought merely to assist with our enquiries."

      And in paragraph 160 of the same judgment, the High Court explains why such a requirement is not "disproportionate" as submitted by Assange's lawyers:

      160.

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    58. Re: Breaking the law. by ilguido · · Score: 1

      That's a ridiculous thing to say. Criticizing China outside of China is not the same as going to Sweden and raping someone.

      This is the "rape" account according to the victim:

      “The complainant ‘AA’ said in her statement that Mr Assange ripped off her clothes and at the same time broke her necklace. She tried to put her clothes on again, but Mr Assange had immediately removed them again. She had thought that she did not really want to continue, but it was too late to tell Mr Assange to stop as she had consented so far. Accordingly she let Mr Assange take off all her clothes. Thereafter they laid down on the bed naked with AA on her back and Mr Assange on top. Mr Assange wanted to insert his penis into her vagina, but she did not want him to do that as he was not using a condom. She therefore squeezed her legs together in order to avoid him penetrating her. She tried to reach several times for a condom which Mr Assange had stopped her from doing by holding her arms and bending her legs open and trying to penetrate her with his penis without a condom. Mr Assange must have known it was a condom AA was reaching for and he had held her arms to stop her. After a while Mr Assange had asked AA what she was doing and why she was squeezing her legs together; AA told him she wanted him to put on a condom before he entered her. Mr Assange let go of AA’s arms and put on a condom which AA found for him. AA felt a strong sense of unexpressed resistance on Mr Assange’ s part against using a condom.”

      Basically he is investigated because he allegedly made resistance when asked to use a condom, even though he actually used it.

      SW and AA were victims of violence, and the Swedish and British legal systems are doing the right thing in prosecuting Assange.

      So right that the UN ruled that JA is under arbitrary detention by Sweden and UK.

    59. Re:Breaking the law. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      How is a warrant for arrest for not showing up in court unconscionable?

    60. Re: Breaking the law. by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      No, this is the rape

      https://www.theguardian.com/me...

      The following day, Miss W phoned Assange and arranged to meet him late in the evening, according to her statement. The pair went back to her flat in Enkoping, near Stockholm. Miss W told police that though they started to have sex, Assange had not wanted to wear a condom, and she had moved away because she had not wanted unprotected sex. Assange had then lost interest, she said, and fallen asleep. However, during the night, they had both woken up and had sex at least once when "he agreed unwillingly to use a condom".

      Early the next morning, Miss W told police, she had gone to buy breakfast before getting back into bed and falling asleep beside Assange. She had awoken to find him having sex with her, she said, but when she asked whether he was wearing a condom he said no. "According to her statement, she said: 'You better not have HIV' and he answered: 'Of course not,' " but "she couldn't be bothered to tell him one more time because she had been going on about the condom all night. She had never had unprotected sex before."

      He knew she didn't want sex without a condom and yet he woke her up by having sex with her without a condom. Which the UK courts ruled would be rape had he done it in the UK and was hence an extraditable offence.

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    61. Re:Breaking the law. by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      So what they arrest him for nothing because they didn't arrest him for charges that have now been dropped. So what would they lock him up for, for failing to be arrested for nothing. No charges placed, just an extradition and if they wanted they could have tried extraditing him from Ecuador. So he breached bail as is bound to the penalty for breaching bail, ie the fiscal penalty http://www.infolaw.co.uk/partn.... So they can arrest you for failing to appear but only to make sure you appear but if you don't have to appear, then they can no arrest you for nothing.

      There is no penalty, other than arrest and holding you to ensure you appear in court for what ever reason you need to appear in court, in this case extradition too Sweden on trumped up charges at the behest of the US government and Sweden has tens of thousands of rapey migrants to worry about and could no longer give a crap about the US (who supplied those rapey refugees) or Julian Assange.

      So it is about timing, no arrest and Julian goes overseas to where ever. Have an arrest to hold him for the US to try to Trump up charges, keeping in mind a US senator recently did say, what right do foreigners have to report US government crimes on US owned social media ie it is illegal for foreigners to report the crimes of American agents in those foreigners countries. So upholding the law in your own country is a crime when you report illegal activities by US agents in your country or in a country you are visiting which by the laws of that country you are required to do (accessory after the fact) or face penalty (only truly arrogant Americans could dream that one up). There is no distinction between privately or publicly reporting that crime, which is exactly what Wikileaks did UPHOLD THE FUCKING LAW, they publicly reported the crimes of many corporations and governments.

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    62. Re:Breaking the law. by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      He also broke the terms of his Bail agreement which in the UK counts as Contempt of Court so the Judge will have complete discretion on the Sentencing (Both Custodial & Fine are pretty much unlimited for contempt of court)

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    63. Re: Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Innocent people don't flee to different countries and hide in a foreign embassy for years to evade an arrest and trial.

    64. Re: Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right, if North Korea wants to nuke Washington DC from the safety of their own country, the big bad evil US has no right to do anything just because such acts are only illegal in the US and not in DPRK.

    65. Re: Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US haven't gone after Assange.

      The US could more easily get an extradition directly from the UK than if Assange is extradited to Sweden first because Sweden would first need permission from the UK before he is extradited to the US.

      Try discussing the actual facts of the case and not Assange's illogical nonsensical delusions.

    66. Re:Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assange skipped bail in the UK so he is in contempt of court. That is what he'll be arrested for.

    67. Re: Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assange committed offences in Sweden that met the dual criminality test they needed to meet for him to be extradited.

      We are not talking about the trumped up charges in Sweden that he was cleared of years ago (before leaving Sweden for the UK), but the UK charge of skipping bail.

    68. Re:Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's like being arrested for resisting arrest for resisting arrest. I.e. the standard excuse for arresting for being black/redneck/whatever the officer in question doesn't like.

      And you know as well as I do that was not what he meant, but you're the one who wanted to argue a strawman rather than the rape charges the Swedish police made up on behalf of the US (after Assange was told by Swedish police that there was no case and he was free to leave).

    69. Re:Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't be extradited from the UK for a crime that isn't also a crime in the US.

      That's why the original plan was to extradite him to a country that has - multiple times - shown themselves willing to roll over and do the US bidding in violation of their own laws.

      I.e. Sweden.

    70. Re:Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His claim that the Swedish charges was a pretext to an extradition from Sweden to the U.S is laughable given that such extradition would be much easier from the U.K and almost impossible from Sweden.

      Funny, other people arguing that there is no attempt to extradite him to the US are claiming that he can't be extradited from the UK for something that isn't a Crime in the UK.

      Where as Sweden is known to roll over for the US, no matter how much it violates their own laws.

    71. Re: Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US hasn't made any effort to seek out or prosecute Assange. The only countries that currently care about him are Sweden (for the rape allegations), the UK (for skipping bail), and Ecuador (for not showering and eating all the Cheetos).

      OK, I might be making up the Cheetos thing.

    72. Re:Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the order to show up in court was obtained unconscionably, with the intent to manipulate the legal system so as to get Assange extradited to the US, then the warrant may be unconscionable.

    73. Re:Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, Julian Assange was never arrested for such allegations. A warrant was (quite unlawfully IMO) issued for his arrest in Sweden, and extradition hearings were conducted in Britain. As the extradition was approved, Assange sought and received political asylum in the Ecuadorean embassy. So let's be clear about _that_.

      Let us also be clear that the Swedish arrest warrant was eventually revoked and the case finally closed in Sweden; and furthermore, that even the original allegations were purely by the police, while the women involve did not claim to have been molested or raped. Google for more detailed information.

    74. Re:Breaking the law. by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Saying he was 'allowed to leave Sweden' is overstating things. He skipped the country on an unknown date with dozens of missed calls from the prosecutor saying they wanted to haul him in for arrest

      http://www.scribd.com/doc/4946...

      13. I have not heard from Mr Assange and do not know whether he had been told, by any source,that he was wanted for interrogation before he left Sweden. I do not know whether he was uncontactable from 21st - 29th September and if that was the case I do not know why. It would have been a reasonable assumption from the facts (albeit not necessarily an accurate one) thatMr Assange was deliberately avoiding interrogation in the period before he left Sweden. Some witnesses suggest that there were other reasons why he was out of contact. I have heard no evidence that he was readily contactable.

      14. I am sure that constant attempts were made by the prosecuting authorities to arrange interrogation in the period 21 st - 30 th September, but those attempts failed. It appears likely(transcript p.107) that enquiries were made by the authorities independent of his lawyer. The authorities believed Mr Assange would be in Sweden to give a lecture in early October. They asked Mr Hurtig to be available on the evening of 6 th October. It appears that either the rumours were false, or Mr Assange changed his mind. In any event he was not apprehended or interrogated then.

      15. Mr Hurtig said in his statement that it was astonishing that Ms Ny made no effort to interview his client. In fact this is untrue. He says he realised the mistake the night before giving evidence. He did correct the statement in his evidence in chief (transcript p.83 and p.97).However, this was very low key and not done in a way that I, at least, immediately grasped as significant. It was only in cross-examination that the extent of the mistake became clear. Mr Hurtig must have realised the significance of paragraph 13 of his proof when he submitted it. Ido not accept that this was a genuine mistake. It cannot have slipped his mind. For over a week he was attempting (he says without success) to contact a very important client about a very important matter. The statement was a deliberate attempt to mislead the court. It did in fact mislead Ms Brita Sundberg-Weitman and Mr Alhem . Had they been given the true facts then that would have changed their opinion on a key fact in a material way.

      The fact that know one knows what date he left means he didn't go through a passport check at immigration - because if he had have done that he'd almost certainly been arrested given that the police had a warrant out for him. I.e. he used ignored all the calls telling him was wanted and left the country in such a way that he didn't talk to any immigration people.

      He got away with it because of the rather lackadaisical approach the Swedes have towards the criminal justice system. In a normal country if the police want to arrest you they don't leave messages on your voicemail for 8 days saying "Umm it's the cops here. Please come in to be arrested", they kick your door down at 3am and haul you off to the clink.

      But the Swedes don't realise that the genteel system they have won't work if they let in mad dog immigrants like Assange who don't respect it and follow its rules.

      The same document also accuses his lawyer Bjorn Hurtig of misleading the court. Which caused Hurtig to be investigated in Sweden

      https://www.upi.com/Assanges-S...

      STOCKHOLM, Sweden, March 2 (UPI) -- The Swedish Bar Association said it was investigating WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange's lawyer after a British judge said the attorney misled the court.

      In his ruling last week that Assange should be extradited to Sweden, District Judge Howard Riddle accused attorney Bjorn Hurtig of deliberately misleading the court,

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    75. Re:Breaking the law. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      "You people"? There is no one else on the planet with my political views.

      Yes, Kim Dotcom probably should have been left alone. Assange however was in Europe, and if they can't have extradition treaties within the EU, then there's no purpose for the EU or extradition.

    76. Re:Breaking the law. by phayes · · Score: 1

      i stand corrected & the original poster was thus complete bull, thanks.

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    77. Re:Breaking the law. by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Assange is one of those rate people that, the more you find out about him the more loathsome he becomes.

      Just read the court documents, the Guardian and New Statesman articles about him and watch the documentary I linked to. Literally everyone he convinced to trust him has turned against him.

      He even shafted Manning

      http://cryptome.org/0001/wikil...

      A sends via PGPboard, 17 July 2010:

      The recent limited financial disclosure from the Wau Holland Foundation has revealed that no European donor funds have been spent in the provision of a legal team for PFC Manning; in detention for passing documents to WIKILEAKS.

      We all remember the recent emails requesting $50,000 in donations in order to hire, and fly a legal team out to Kuwait. As we speak no legal team has been provided, and no attorney provided by Wikileaks has made contact with the JAG office in Kuwait.

      In addition to this, the Wau Holland financial release confirmed that there were sufficient funds available to provide immediate assistance to PFC Manning, and that they would have no objection in disbursing the funding such an initiative.

      http://cryptome.org/0003/wikil...

      8 December 2010

      Immediately following Bradley's arrest in late June 2010, the whistle-blower website Wikileaks publicly solicited donations specifically for Bradley's legal defense expenses. In July 2010, Wikileaks pledged to contribute a "substantial amount" towards Bradley's legal defense costs. Since Bradley's selection of David Coombs as his civilian defense attorney in August 2010, the Bradley Manning Support Network has unsuccessfully attempted to facilitate the pledged Wikileaks contribution.

      "We understand the difficult situation Wikileaks currently faces as the world's governments conspire to extinguish the whistle-blower website," explained Jeff Paterson, Bradley Manning Support Network steering committee member and project director of Courage to Resist (couragetoresist.org). "However, in order to meet Bradley Manning's legal defense needs, we're forced to clarify that Wikileaks has not yet made a contribution towards this effort. We certainly welcome any contribution from Wikileaks, but we need to inform our supporters that it may not be forthcoming and that their continued contributions and support are crucial."

      http://www.wired.com/threatlev...

      WikiLeaks has finally made good on a months-old pledge to contribute financially to the defense of 23-year-old Bradley Manning, according to a group raising money for the imprisoned Army private suspected of providing WikiLeaks its most important U.S. releases.

      But the sum, $15,100, is less than half the $50,000 WikiLeaks originally promised. It's also less than the group pledged in December, when WikiLeaks spokesman Kristinn Hrafnsson said WikiLeaks would immediately transfer $20,000 to Manning's defense fund.

      ...

      WikiLeaks highlighted Manning's plight after his arrest, writing on Twitter, "We do not know if Mr. Manning is our source, but the U.S. military is claiming he is so we will defend [him]." In a fundraising e-mail last June, the organization said it needed more donations in part because it was "flying a legal team to Kuwait," where Manning was being held. "Any financial contributions will be of IMMEDIATE assistance." The group subsequently promised to send $50,000 to the Bradley Manning Support Network.

      But while salaries were paid out to founder Julian Assange and other WikiLeaks members, the promised support to Manning failed to materialize. Assange recently received about $88,000 in retroactive salary for his work with WikiLeaks in 2010. He also recently signed a $1.5 million book deal to publish his memoir.

      Loraine Reitman, a m

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    78. Re:Breaking the law. by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Right, so all laws should be ignored.

      If governments wanted laws to be obeyed, then they should set a better example.

    79. Re: Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? Is not self defense against the state a valid thing? What make their authority so special that we must obey whether it's right or wrong? If a killer cop is shooting at me, why can't I shoot back?? What is so "twisted" about the concept? Spell it out

    80. Re:Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      - "and then imposed unacceptable preconditions on the investigators (all questions to be submitted before the meeting and Assange gets to choose those he is willing to answer)."

      It's not unreasonable to refuse to answer questions. In Swedish law you have to be interviewed, but do not need to incriminate yourself nor are you forced to cooperate more than meeting with them. At the meeting you are not even required to tell truth, you can talk about penguins for all it matters, only lying in court can get you in trouble.

      In Sweden you can't refuse to meet investigators, you can claim harassment if you can prove it. You can refuse to answer all and any questions you want. Also investigators are to take steps to ease the investigation, in Mr. Assanges case it would not have been unreasonable to interview him in UK or even in the Ecuadorian Embassy just to make the investigation go easier. Also and it's a common practice in Sweden is that you get served and everything can proceed without your cooperation. You simply give up your right to defend your interests.

      There might not be a conspiracy here, but sure a lot of egos involved wasting tax payers money and the actions taken by government, ministrys and departments are sure strange and warrant questions and caution. I do hope the actions of Marianne Ny will be investigated any other prosecutor behaving like her would have had to answer a lot of questions not the least for the failure to protect the rights of alleged rape victims.

    81. Re: Breaking the law. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Assange was never convicted of any sort of sex charge. However, he is a fugitive from justice. One reason he was never convicted is that he is a fugitive from justice, and nobody wants to allow an alleged criminal complete amnesty if said criminal evades the legal system and becomes a fugitive.

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    82. Re: Breaking the law. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Except that I've seen no good evidence that the US wants him for anything. There are, of course, people in the US with their own opinions, but they don't represent the US. The only possible charge would be if it were found that he actively collaborated with Manning to get the data out of classified systems, since publishing classified information somebody has leaded to you is legal.

      I've seen a lot of claims by Assange fans. However, Assange's actions are those of someone who wanted to dodge Swedish rape charges, not someone who feared the US. If Sweden was so dangerous, why did he go there in the first place? If he feared extradition to the US, well, the UK is well known for extraditing people to the US.

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    83. Re: Breaking the law. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      That scenario (CIA kidnapping in Sweden) happened once, and caused a political uproar. It's unlikely to happen again.

      The UK extradites people to the US for crimes that can be punished by execution all the time. The UK gets assurances that the prosecution will not ask for the death sentence.

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    84. Re:Breaking the law. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Apparently, Swedish law isn't exactly like US law, and apparently he'd have to be arrested to be charged (presumably there's a lesser level of charge that allows the arrest warrant). There was and is evidence to bring charges. Whether it's enough to convict not something I'm going to speculate on, but both the UK and Sweden agreed that what Assange was accused of is rape, and that there was sufficient evidence to warrant going forward.

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    85. Re: Breaking the law. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      So you've dropped the kidnapping oligarchy angle? Now we're talking journalism?

      Some times we feed the trolls.

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    86. Re:Breaking the law. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      But what's the solution? Encourage the government to do a better job, or elect better leaders, or start protesting the megacorps that are pushing tough IP enforcement, or just start breaking the law when convenient?

    87. Re: Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Embassies remain the territory of the state in which they are located, even though agents of that state are prohibited from entering without permission.

    88. Re: Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations is definitely a treaty.

    89. Re:Breaking the law. by phayes · · Score: 1

      Poor poor Assange, _forced_ to dip into the money raised for Manning to get decent Take-Out delivered in London...

      I don't blame the Swedes. Their legal system is what it is and shouldn't special case for Assange. They may have dropped the case for the moment but left open the door to re-opening it if Assange becomes available.

      As for the Brits, their dedication to not letting that oath breaking, abusive weasel slip out & avoid what is coming to him is admirable.

      That the Ecuadorians have realised what an unpleasant person he is and wish he was gone is just karma for their enabling him to avoid justice for so long.

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    90. Re:Breaking the law. by quenda · · Score: 1

      I don't know what "rape" means in the US (there are some weird sex laws there), but in the UK what he was accused of is probably not even illegal.

      Sofia Wilen was upset that he did not use a condom, and got angry only after finding out he had slept with Anna Ardin.

      http://observer.com/2016/02/ex...

      Neither woman ever claimed, initially, that she was “raped” by Mr. Assange—rape being våldtäkt in Swedish, but both spoke of the sex being unpleasant. They both concealed their distaste for how it had transpired—that’s usually what women do. In the case of Ms. Ardin, she kept him as a houseguest for six nights after the incident, and even threw a crayfish party for him. In the case of Ms. Wilen, she and Mr. Assange, after a night of sex, joked about the broken condom, and his promise that if she got pregnant he would move to Sweden, pay off her student loans, and they “could name the baby Afghanistan.”

    91. Re: Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that I've seen no good evidence that the US wants him for anything.

      Yeah, that's why HRC was even frustrated enough to ask, after not finding an easy way to lay their hands on Assange right away, "Can't we just drone this guy?" at one point. And that one 'accuser' just happened to have ties to the US CIA. Because they have no interest in Assange. Right. Just a Tuesday. Got it.

      Carry on, then.

    92. Re: Breaking the law. by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Fine. Call it final interrogation before arrest. Other than your complaint about my word choice, the rest of what I said is true. And you said nothing that contradicted it.

      They can't charge you until they arrest you. THey can't arrest you until they final interrogate you. But, nothing in your irrelevant copy-paste indicates why they refused to final interrogate Julian in the Ecuadorian Embassy. Sweden routinely final interrogates people who are no longer in sweden. There has never been any reason given why they refused to do so in this case. By Sweden's standards, he was already final interrogated once, charged, acquitted, and is now being double-jeopardied, which is much more irregular than a remote final interrogation.

    93. Re:Breaking the law. by Agripa · · Score: 2

      But what's the solution? Encourage the government to do a better job, or elect better leaders, or start protesting the megacorps that are pushing tough IP enforcement, or just start breaking the law when convenient?

      Since the people who would have to pass the solution have an interest in not listening to it and not passing it, the only solution is a violent revolution. Voting is irrelevant because voters are not represented. There are no better leaders because they are chosen ahead of time. How many politicians have to be bribed to get what you want? Both of them.

    94. Re:Breaking the law. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      In the US, rape is sex without consent. There are weird sex laws here, but typically

      However, the UK court system, up to the top, ruled that what Assange is accused of is rape under appropriate UK law. Otherwise, the extradition request would have been turned down. That's how extradition works.

      Consent to sex with a condom is not consent to sex without a condom. A sleeping person can't consent to sex. Assange is said to have initiated sex with a sleeping woman without using a condom.

      I can't follow up your link because it doesn't like my ad blocker, but there's a very large amount of lies and unsupported claims out there, and I prefer to stick to the more official stuff I've seen. I will point out that the behavior of people after being raped sometimes seems irrational and inexplicable.

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    95. Re: Breaking the law. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      If Clinton said that, probably as an expression of frustration rather than an actual plan, it suggests that her attitude was not the government one, and that there was no way to get the US to try to get Assange. Nor do I know that an accuser had CIA ties (I've seen so many lies about the case), or that people with CIA ties can't be raped or sexually assaulted in private life.

      Now, if you can provide evidence, I'll pay attention to it.

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    96. Re:Breaking the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many politicians have to be bribed to get what you want? Both of them.

      Stealing this.

  3. The answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "no, you coward. you'll face, in person, everything you ran away from"

  4. The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by Computershack · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The UK arrest warrant has nothing to do with the European Arrest Warrant. The UK one is for skipping bail. It doesn't matter whether or not the Swedish government is still pursuing him, he has committed a crime in the UK which is an arrestable offence regardless of his innocence of the charge he was facing.

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    1. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by MS · · Score: 0

      So what crime did he commit in the UK, for which he should have been arrested?!?

    2. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by Hal_Porter · · Score: 4, Informative
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    3. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by truedfx · · Score: 1

      It's right there in the comment you were responding to. Skipping bail is itself an offense. Are you suggesting he's not guilty of that? It's similar to how, if the police lawfully try to arrest you for, say, a burglary you had nothing to do with, you resist arrest, and the police then find you weren't guilty of burglary and don't attempt to charge you with that, you can still be charged and convicted for resisting arrest.

    4. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      So what crime did he commit in the UK, for which he should have been arrested?!?

      Contempt of court. Something that is a crime in most countries.

    5. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by vux984 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Precisely correct.

      But at the same time it is a bit ridiculous. Legally the magnitude of his crime is skipping bail for an arrest for a crime in another country that has been dropped.

      Why are they still maintaining a round the clock covert monitoring of his actions so they can arrest him the moment he steps out of the embassy? Lots of people skip bail. Their's a whole industry of 'bounty hunters' to round them up. And the vast majority of THOSE bail jumpers have been convicted or are still wanted for actual crimes against citizens in the country in question. Where is the multi-year multi-million dollar operation to find them and bring them in?

      Yes, Assange is guilty of skipping bail. But he is clearly still being singled out in a way that defies all proportion and sense. If the Ecuadorian embassy wanted to transport 50 other bail jumpers out of the country on a diplomatic flight, the UK government wouldn't even so much as bat an eye... good riddance they'd say.

      Years under effective house arrest, and then effective deportation, with an automatic arrest if he ever comes back... isn't that 'good enough' justice for the harm to Britain and British citizens by his skipping bail for an international warrant for a crime that was dropped?

    6. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what crime did he commit in the UK, for which he should have been arrested?!?

      Contempt of court. Something that is a crime in most countries.

      AFAICS, it's generally more serious the more the court deserves to be held in contempt.

    7. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      Apart from the crime of skipping bail, it should be remembered that, in order to get bail in the first place, Assange had to promise to give the authorities money if he broke his bail conditions. A lot of the money was guaranteed by some of his supporters who were all totally shafted by his decision to flee to the Ecuador Embassy.

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...

      So, he's a rapist (must be, otherwise, why did he flee) and he defrauded his friends of a lot of money. I really don't know why anybody thinks of him as anything other than a shit.

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    8. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      He also caused the people who stood bail for him to lose a lot of money. If you were robbed of £140,000 wouldn't you want the perpetrator to go to prison?

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    9. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by MS · · Score: 1

      In my country we say: a dog is trying to bite its tail. In this case Julian escaped an extradition to Sweden for a crime in Sweden which was not committed. So the order for extradition shoudn't exist anymore, as the basis for it has volatized.

    10. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by Hal_Porter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The UK government basically has three options

      1) Close the embassy, expel the diplomats and arrest Assange as his diplomatically protected bubble evaporates.
      2) The status quo where they keep a watch on the embassy and arrest him if he leaves
      3) Allow him to leave unmolested.

      I think 1) is dangerous because it would allow foreign governments to do the same to arrest a fugitive who took refuge in a UK embassy and claim this case as a precedent, so they've decided not to do it. Also 1) implies the UK will probably lose diplomatic relations with Ecuador. British personnel would be expelled from the British embassy there. Some might be arrested or otherwise harassed. The Foreign Office is a cautious place and would probably advise the government this is opening a can of worms. The UK did close one embassy and expel the diplomats but that was in a very extreme situation where Libyan diplomats literally murdered a UK policewoman. Merely shielding Assange doesn't justify such extreme measures.

      If the UK allows Assange to avoid justice by spending a couple of years in the Ecuadorian embassy then it would be setting a precedent that anyone (in)famous enough to get in there would be literally above the law which rules out 3)

      So they've decided on 2) by a process of elimination. Sure there are costs to it in police time but it's better than the other two. Assange is locked up, just in better conditions than he probably deserves. And if he doesn't like that he's free to come out, get prosecuted for skipping bail, serve his time and get deported.

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    11. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by vux984 · · Score: 1

      No, that's not even slightly relevant.

      First, at best the bail bond losses in relation to someone skipping bail would be a civil suit between the parties that posted bail and Assange; its simply not a criminal matter.

      Further, if this actually even an issue, the parties that posted bail, could be paid off by Wikileaks, or Ecuador. Both of whom are paying far more than that for his legal representation, or for his accomodations (respectively).

    12. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by MS · · Score: 1

      No, they weren't robbed. They gave their money/support voluntarily. I simply would want my money back.

    13. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by vux984 · · Score: 2

      agreed on '1)'

      "If the UK allows Assange to avoid justice by spending a couple of years in the Ecuadorian embassy then it would be setting a precedent that anyone (in)famous enough to get in there would be literally above the law which rules out 3)"

      No, not really. If he'd fled the country instead of to the embassy. (which in many respects is the same thing), then he'd simply be beyond the reach of arrest unless and until he came back. This is pretty elementary; thousands of people have outstanding warrants who have fled the country; and unless the crime rises to a level where its worth pursuing international warrants; and he happens to hide in an extradition treaty country -- then fleeing a country and living in exile has always been something one can get away with for small crimes. The police don't normally spend a lot of time worrying about it.

      Further letting assange go wouldn't set a meaningful precedent. This isn't case law; they can handle it differently if or when actual serial killer attempts to try it.

    14. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      It may be a lot of money to you and me, but to the people who put up the money, it's pocket change.

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    15. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Considering he has been effectively incarcerated longer than any possible sentence he might face, and that it's cost the country many millions of Pounds, there does seem to be little purpose in pursuing any prosecution.

      Even if convicted he likely wouldn't serve any time. There is no public interest in keeping him at the embassy.

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    16. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      No, not really. If he'd fled the country instead of to the embassy. (which in many respects is the same thing), then he'd simply be beyond the reach of arrest unless and until he came back. This is pretty elementary; thousands of people have outstanding warrants who have fled the country; and unless the crime rises to a level where its worth pursuing international warrants; and he happens to hide in an extradition treaty country -- then fleeing a country and living in exile has always been something one can get away with for small crimes. The police don't normally spend a lot of time worrying about it.

      He fled Sweden and the Swedes issued an european arrest warrant. I'm sure if he'd fled the UK they'd have issued one for him. And if he was outside Europe they could issue an Interpol notice.

      And actually Interpol have confirmed the existing Interpol red notice is still outstanding, so all the paperwork is in place.

      https://www.interpol.int/News-...

      LYON, France - INTERPOL confirms that its Red Notice, or international wanted persons alert, issued for WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange at Sweden's request in November 2010 remains valid.

      Confirmation that Mr Assange's Red Notice status remains in force follows Thursday's decision by authorities in Ecuador to grant asylum to Mr Assange, two months after he took refuge in its London embassy while fighting extradition from the UK to Sweden where authorities want to question him in connection with alleged sexual offences.

      A Red Notice status is a request for any country to identify or locate an individual with a view to their provisional arrest and extradition in accordance with the country's national laws.

      Many of INTERPOL's member countries consider a Red Notice a valid request for provisional arrest, especially if they are linked to the requesting country via a bilateral extradition treaty. In cases where arrests are made based on a Red Notice, these are made by national police officials in INTERPOL member countries.

      INTERPOL cannot compel any of its 190 member countries to arrest the subject of a Red Notice. Any individual wanted for arrest should be considered innocent until proven guilty.

      I.e. even if he left the EU he'd still be wanted man. Basically he'd need to flee to a country which would ignore the Interpol notice and refuse to extradite.

      Ronnie Biggs for example spent 36 years in Brazil which didn't have an extradition treaty where he made some rather likeable records with the Sex Pistols.

      "Ronnie Biggs was doing time until he done a bunk
      Now he says he's seen the light and he sold his soul to punk

      God save Martin Bormann and Nazis on the run
      They wasn't being wicked God that was their idea of fun
      God save Myra Hindley God save Ian Brady
      Even though he's horrible and she ain't what you call a lady"

      However collaborating on a good song doesn't buy you immunity from judicial process.

      Brazil eventually signed an extradition treaty with the UK but refused to extradite Biggs

      http://www.bbc.com/news/magazi...

      Brazil had no extradition treaty with the UK before the late 1990s, allowing Great Train Robber Ronnie Biggs - who had escaped from Wandsworth Prison in 1965 - to enjoy the sun and sand of Rio for decades. Even if there had been a reciprocal treaty, Brazilian law prohibits the father of a Brazilian child from being extradited. In 1981, Biggs was kidnapped in Rio by a group of former British soldiers working for a security firm and ended up in the Bahamas, where it was hoped the government would extradite him to the UK. The country's high court, however, sent him back to Brazil. In 1997, Brazil and the UK signed a treaty, but Brazil still reject

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    17. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      His friends knew exactly what they were getting in to. He fled because he feared rendition. You can argue and how realistic that fear is.

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    18. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, he's a rapist (must be, otherwise, why did he flee) and he defrauded his friends of a lot of money. I really don't know why anybody thinks of him as anything other than a shit.

      Or there's the other side of the argument. The one that says he feared extradition from Sweden to the USA where they'd try him on espionage charges. Or possibly just make him disappear to Gitmo without a trial.

      Sweden didn't want him. They agreed to let him leave the country, then wanted him to return 'for questioning' after the US stated an interest in getting their hands on him. Sweden refused to question him by phone or to send a representative to question him; things that are routinely done in similar cases. In short, it's highly suspicious. Sweden only appeared to want him so they could hand him over to the US. And even if this isn't true, there's enough of a reason for him to be scared to return to Sweden. Not because of the rape charge.

      "Must be, otherwise, why did he flee"... now you know.

    19. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by Motard · · Score: 1

      You forgot IANAL.

    20. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by Motard · · Score: 1

      Many millions of pounds is chalked up to the deterrent factor. Not the Assange factor. They can't be seen to have been waited out.

      And they're right.

    21. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by ABEND · · Score: 1

      In my country we say: a dog is trying to bite its tail. In this case Julian escaped an extradition to Sweden for a crime in Sweden which was not committed. So the order for extradition shoudn't exist anymore, as the basis for it has volatized.

      Yes. If it was Julian Assange before he became a big problem for the U.S. government, he would be a free man now. It's funny, he was a darling of the American Left until Wikileaks became a problem for Hillary. The multiple comments repeating the "rape" charge and "bail" problem is very disturbing. It seems that Slashdotters are unable to use a search engine and are speaking power to truth.

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    22. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [...] things that are routinely done in similar cases.[...]

      Citation needed. I know of no other such "similar" cases, but feel free to enlighten us.

    23. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >So, he's a rapist (must be, otherwise, why did he flee)

      I tried my best to find a clever answer to this allegation but the only thing I found is about nazi, concentration camps and jews, homosexuals, etc. fleeing. They should have been guilty if they fled! I really don't know why anybody thinks of them as anything other than a pile of shit.

    24. Re: The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sweden didn't want him.

      Got a citation for that?

    25. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by Motard · · Score: 1

      A problem for the U.S is something like Pearl Harbor, 9/11, or a nutjob with nukes in North Korea,

      Assange is merely a pasty faced Aussie with a delusion of grandeur,

      If he actually was a problem for the U.S. he would no longer be around for us to giggle at.

      Unless he has nukes. But I don't think he has nukes.

    26. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The big problem with this is that the UK system will bend over and take it up the rear for the US to get his ass over here, where of course he will NOT get a fair trial for anything.

    27. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He fled Sweden and the Swedes issued an European arrest warrant. I'm sure if he'd fled the UK they'd have issued one for him. And if he was outside Europe they could issue an Interpol notice.

      And actually Interpol have confirmed the existing Interpol red notice is still outstanding, so all the paperwork is in place.

      https://www.interpol.int/News-...

      Actually no he did not flee Sweden. To Quote Wikipedia: "He was questioned, the case was initially closed, and he was told he could leave the country. In November 2010, however, the case was re-opened by a special prosecutor who said that she wanted to question Assange".

    28. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by clovis · · Score: 1

      Julian is quite right not to leave the Ecuadoran Embassy while the UK arrest warrant is active.
      That's because he promised to come to the USA if Chelsea Manning got clemency.
      Chelsea was granted clemency, is out of jail, and is now running for Congress.
      Julian Assange wants nothing more than to keep his promise to the USA, and it would make him feel very sad if he could not keep his promise because he was in a British jail. And he probably feels like it would not count as keeping his promise if he came to the USA stuffed in a duffel bag rolling around on the floor of a C-130.
      It's all about keeping his promise to the USA.

    29. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Option 1) is out of the question. Assange simply isn't important enough to mess up diplomatic relations so much.

      I also think the UK wants to make Ecuador suffer a little for their actions here, option 3) forces them to put up with an unwanted house-guest. Ecuador made a rod for their own backs here, so let them have it.

    30. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by Motard · · Score: 1

      The U.S. doesn't want him. If we did, he'd be here. He was in custody in Sweden, and again with the Brits.

    31. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      In other news, it is reported that he has converted to Islam, so naturally Sweden has dropped the rape charges.

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    32. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      https://web.archive.org/web/20...

      I have not heard from Mr Assange and do not know whether he had been told, by any source, that he was wanted for interrogation before he left Sweden. I do not know whether he was uncontactable from 21stâ" 29th September and if that was the case I do not know why. It would have been a reasonable assumption from the facts (albeit not necessarily an accurate one) that Mr Assange was deliberately avoiding interrogation in the period before he left Sweden. Some witnesses suggest that there were other reasons why he was out of contact. I have heard no evidence that he was readily contactable

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    33. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      Governments ignore procedural crimes like that left and right if it suits their agendas. That's how Putin's government works and that's how May's government works and that's how Bushobamatrump's government works.

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    34. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So instead he remains in a self-inflicted prison. How does that help keep his promise?

      Assange is guilty of breaking the terms of his bail. When he leaves, assuming he doesn't die of old age first, he will have to face the UK courts for this charge and whatever sentence the judge decides to give him.

    35. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by coofercat · · Score: 1

      Indeed, and so we're now seeing the UK Government being tested. If they conclude as you did, then all is well. However, if they continue to seek Assange, then it becomes considerably more likely that there is an ulterior motive.

      We know the US would love to 'nab' him, which they can do the moment he's in UK Police custody - I'd bet he wouldn't spend more than an hour in a UK police cell before he was spirited away to the US. He wouldn't get anywhere near a trial in the UK, so whatever he has or hasn't done, or whatever punishment he may or may not have experienced would be completely moot.

      I personally believe the US pressure on the UK is probably pretty immense. The UK doesn't have that many 'bargaining chips' in such conversations, so I doubt much is going to happen here. Even still, if the UK decided there was no public interest, I wouldn't be surprised if 'dark forces' would wait until he was somewhere quiet and 'make him' break the law in some way, whilst a conveniently placed police officer could arrest him for assault or some such so extradition became possible once again.

    36. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by strikethree · · Score: 1

      And if he doesn't like that he's free to come out, get prosecuted for skipping bail, serve his time and get deported.

      See? You missed two words which mean a LOT. Here is the quote again, but "fixed": And if he doesn't like that he's free to come out, get prosecuted for skipping bail, serve his time and get deported to America.

      It changes the equations a LOT. Regardless of how I feel about any of this, it is clear that he is trying to avoid getting sent to Guantanamo Bay and the UK is going to ensure that he ends up in Guantanamo Bay.

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    37. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      There's no evidence the US is even going to seek to extradite him. If they were going to they'd have done it in the seven years they've had since the rape accusations were made against him.

      The whole 'US seeking extradition' thing is just a conspiracy theory Assange has come up with as an excuse to avoid having to face his accusers.

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    38. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      You do not know that Assange didn't commit rape. The basis for the extradition order still exists, I believe, although some charges have reached their statute of limitations age. In any case, he fled from a valid warrant, and is a fugitive from justice.

      If he were innocent, he'd have done better to show it in court.

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    39. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      He fled because he feared rendition.

      You don't know that. Assange said it, but I think he was lying. His actions look to me inconsistent with fearing being sent to the US, and consistent with being a rapist who wants to avoid punishment.

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    40. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Years under effective house arrest, and then effective deportation, with an automatic arrest if he ever comes back... isn't that 'good enough' justice for the harm to Britain and British citizens by his skipping bail for an international warrant for a crime that was dropped?

      Honestly, as a British Citizen, most of the harm done to me through this is in the tax money being wasted on this farce. For the last five years I'd far rather seen alleged rapist Julian Assange on the loose.

    41. Re:The UK arrest warrant is still valid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why didn't the US do that when he was in jail before he made bail, then?

  5. Assange's position is absurd by Hal_Porter · · Score: 0

    He was accused of rape in Sweden. He fought extradition right up the UK Supreme Court where he lost. He then skipped bail and fled to the Ecuadorian embassy, the Ecuadorians being keen to tweak the nose of the US.

    Now even if the Swedes have dropped charges he's still got a problem of skipping bail. So he claims to be depressed, have a bad tooth and so on.

    I say let him spend the rest of his life in the Ecuadorian embassy. If he comes out, nail him for skipping bail.

    It's absurd how he claims that because of his work on Wikileaks he should be immune to any sort of legal process. Even the corrupt politicians that Wikileaks was set up to expose didn't have as Louis XIV view of the privileges of their position as that.

    Look at this documentary

    http://vimeo.com/38670049

    Nick Davies of the Guardian said

    He said this was always part of our agreement, now if heâ(TM)d said that to you or somebody else it would have been a lie but he might have had some chance of being believed, but he was saying it to me. Iâ(TM)m the guy that made the agreement with him; Iâ(TM)d had multiple conversations about this agreement. He made it up, but I thought what was interesting was I think he believes the things that he invents, so when he says that to me I think at that moment he believes it which makes it worth saying. And itâ(TM)s the same when for example heâ(TM)s talking about the two women in Sweden and tries to pretend that this is all dirty tricks by the Pentagon. I think he believes it.

    I think most people who get close to him goes through this process, you start off liking and trusting him and then suddenly this kind of monster appears from behind the scenes and youâ(TM)re where on earth did that come from? You suddenly discover this this extraordinary dishonest man. I donâ(TM)t, I donâ(TM)t know that Iâ(TM)ve ever met a human being as dishonest as Julian.

    The Guardian said that when he was asked about redaction of the names of informants he said ""They are American informants - they deserve to die". He denies this, but look at this OfCom report and his comments on 'villagers':

    https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__dat... page 115-116

    Interviewer: "So come on, redactions are going on at the same time, now there is or isn't a row going on about redaction, I haven't the faintest clue whether there is or isn't...?

    Mr Assange: No, there's no row going on about redactions at all....There was a group of reports where although they were not really intelligence informants there were sort of hotline tips...something called threat reports comprised one in five of the Afghan War Logs and so we held them back for a line by line redaction...But what we didn't do was redact one in five lines, putting black marker through it, we just removed them, and so it looked like we hadn't redacted everything but in fact we had redacted a fifth of all material, and this permitted an attack, a political attack, to come from The Times of London.... So The Times did a proxy war on The Guardian through us by attacking us.... So most of those names were meant to be there, it is right for them to be published, it is right to publish the names of politicians, generals bureaucrats, etc, who are involved in this sort of activity, it is right even to publish the names of corrupt radio stations in Kabul that were taking SYOPS programme content. It is also right to publish the names of those people who have been killed and murdered and who need to be investigated and it is right to publish the names of all incidental characters who themselves are not at serious and probable risk of physical harm. Those incidental characters are someone who owns a company for example is just involved in shipping operations.... So then there is the question were there any sort of villagers or so on who gave informat

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    1. Re:Assange's position is absurd by ISoldat53 · · Score: 2

      Make him show up in person to argue this release.

    2. Re:Assange's position is absurd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course there is that part where the so called "rape charges" where absolute bullshit.

      The only person who where keen on them was a politically connected femi-nazi cunt of a prosecutor. The so called "victims" - one of which, by the way blogged about and advocated pressing rape charges as revenge on ex partners - allegedly didn't want to press rape-charges, the police said "this ain't rape", the only one who said it was rape was Marianne Ny, the nazi peanut gallery and the terminally stupid.

      Just for the record, be very careful with women if you visit Sweden. Pressing false rape-charges is apparently a thing these days, even if you're not famous.

    3. Re:Assange's position is absurd by Hal_Porter · · Score: 4, Informative

      Of course there is that part where the so called "rape charges" where absolute bullshit.

      Not true

      https://www.newstatesman.com/d...

      One: "The allegation of rape would not be rape under English law"
      This is flatly untrue. The Assange legal team argued this twice before English courts, and twice the English courts ruled clearly that the allegation would also constitute rape under English law.

      (See my post at Jack of Kent for further detail on this.)

      http://jackofkent.com/2012/06/...

      The Magistrates' Court ruled (emphasis added):

      The position with offence 4 is different. This is an allegation of rape. The framework list is ticked for rape. The defence accepts that normally the ticking of a framework list offence box on an EAW would require very little analysis by the court. However they then developed a sophisticated argument that the conduct alleged here would not amount to rape in most European countries. However, what is alleged here is that Mr Assange "deliberately consummated sexual intercourse with her by improperly exploiting that she, due to sleep, was in a helpless state". In this country that would amount to rape.

      Just for the record, be very careful with women if you visit Sweden. Pressing false rape-charges is apparently a thing these days, even if you're not famous.

      Bullshit. I've been to Sweden and dated women there. So long as you don't rape anyone you'll won't be charged with rape. What got Assange on trouble was that he was dating someone who consented to sex with a condom. They slept in the same bed. He woke her up having sex without a condom. She wanted him to get an aids test. He refused. She went to the police. He got charged with rape. And the UK courts ruled that since what he did in Sweden would count as rape if he had done it in the UK, he could be extradited. Then he skipped bail.

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    4. Re:Assange's position is absurd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been to Sweden and dated women there. So long as you don't rape anyone you'll won't be charged with rape.

      That definitely settles it! You're totally not a brainlet. Thanks for settling the issue Hal.

    5. Re:Assange's position is absurd by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      Why did he flee justice if the rape charges were bullshit? His actions were those of somebody who believes themselves to be guilty.

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    6. Re:Assange's position is absurd by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      https://www.theguardian.com/me...

      The allegations centre on a 10-day period after Assange flew into Stockholm on Wednesday 11 August. One of the women, named in court as Miss A, told police that she had arranged Assange's trip to Sweden, and let him stay in her flat because she was due to be away. She returned early, on Friday 13 August, after which the pair went for a meal and then returned to her flat.

      Her account to police, which Assange disputes, stated that he began stroking her leg as they drank tea, before he pulled off her clothes and snapped a necklace that she was wearing. According to her statement she "tried to put on some articles of clothing as it was going too quickly and uncomfortably but Assange ripped them off again". Miss A told police that she didn't want to go any further "but that it was too late to stop Assange as she had gone along with it so far", and so she allowed him to undress her.

      According to the statement, Miss A then realised he was trying to have unprotected sex with her. She told police that she had tried a number of times to reach for a condom but Assange had stopped her by holding her arms and pinning her legs. The statement records Miss A describing how Assange then released her arms and agreed to use a condom, but she told the police that at some stage Assange had "done something" with the condom that resulted in it becoming ripped, and ejaculated without withdrawing.

      When he was later interviewed by police in Stockholm, Assange agreed that he had had sex with Miss A but said he did not tear the condom, and that he was not aware that it had been torn. He told police that he had continued to sleep in Miss A's bed for the following week and she had never mentioned a torn condom.

      On the following morning, Saturday 14 August, Assange spoke at a seminar organised by Miss A. A second woman, Miss W, had contacted Miss A to ask if she could attend. Both women joined Assange, the co-ordinator of the Swedish WikiLeaks group, whom we will call "Harold", and a few others for lunch.

      Assange left the lunch with Miss W. She told the police she and Assange had visited the place where she worked and had then gone to a cinema where they had moved to the back row. He had kissed her and put his hands inside her clothing, she said.

      That evening, Miss A held a party at her flat. One of her friends, "Monica", later told police that during the party Miss A had told her about the ripped condom and unprotected sex. Another friend told police that during the evening Miss A told her she had had "the worst sex ever" with Assange: "Not only had it been the world's worst screw, it had also been violent."

      Assange's supporters point out that, despite her complaints against him, Miss A held a party for him on that evening and continued to allow him to stay in her flat.

      On Sunday 15 August, Monica told police, Miss A told her that she thought Assange had torn the condom on purpose. According to Monica, Miss A said Assange was still staying in her flat but they were not having sex because he had "exceeded the limits of what she felt she could accept" and she did not feel safe.

      The following day, Miss W phoned Assange and arranged to meet him late in the evening, according to her statement. The pair went back to her flat in Enkoping, near Stockholm. Miss W told police that though they started to have sex, Assange had not wanted to wear a condom, and she had moved away because she had not wanted unprotected sex. Assange had then lost interest, she said, and fallen asleep. However, during the night, they had both woken up and had sex at least once when "he agreed unwillingly to use a condom".

      Early the next morning, Miss W told police, she had gone to buy breakfast before getting back into bed and falling asleep beside Assange. She had awoken to find him having sex with her, she said, but when she asked whether he was wearing a condom he said no. "Ac

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    7. Re:Assange's position is absurd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He did not flee any rape charges.
      He was arrested, interviewed, and the original prosecutor determined there was not enough evidence to continue. He was released with no charged, free to go. He left the country. Another prosecutor was then assigned the case. And then an arrest warrant was issued, so he could be interviewed (still not charged).

    8. Re:Assange's position is absurd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When such a bunch of lies and self-references gets voted +5 informative is easy to see who is pushing that narrative and who is voting for it. It just misses calling Assange an Russian troll, as that seems to be the main narrative pushed by the TLA trolls these days.

    9. Re:Assange's position is absurd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What justice? The only "justice" he would get in Sweden would be a "forced rendition" and a trip to Guantanamo. Are you that deluded or such an hypocrite to claim otherwise?

    10. Re:Assange's position is absurd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not getting it. It doesn't matter what some colluding asshats call it, if you willingly sleep with someone you do not get to post ex facto decide it was "rape". That's demeaning every genuine rape victim ever.

      And, feel free to try the women if you dare. But be aware, there have been several cases lately where women have lied under oath and been caught out, once since they guy had heard false rape charges were a thing and actually made an audio recording of the.. proceedings. Not that it helped him much, he got the "rape" charges dismissed but still lost his job, family, etc.

    11. Re:Assange's position is absurd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. They are the actions of someone knowing they are being prosecuted for political reasons, knowing it's exceedingly unlikely he'll get a fair trial, and not trusting authorities - for good reason. It would NOT be the first time Swedish authorities have assisted in renditioning people to the US and their willing torturers.

      And know this; in Sweden you'll get more than a fair trial if you're a thief, but if there is any kind of political pressure against you, you've lost before it even started. It's a long standing tradition with plenty examples, if you only care to look for them.

    12. Re:Assange's position is absurd by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The consensual sex wasn't rape. We're all agreed on that. Sleeping people can't consent. And, remember, consent to sex with a condom is not consent to sex without a condom. Moreover, because you agree to sex with a guy once doesn't mean you've agreed to sex with him whenever he wants.

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  6. Re: Julian Assange should be SET FREE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had no Idea Donald Trump realms slashdot

  7. Statute of Limitations by chill · · Score: 3, Informative

    Representing the Crown Prosecution Service, Aaron Watkins it would be absurd for defendants to be "rewarded with effective immunity" simply for having evaded proceedings for long enough.

    Isn't that the way things normally happen, except for crimes like murder? In the United States it is called the Statute of Limitations.

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    1. Re:Statute of Limitations by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Informative

      Notice from your own link that the limitations apply to when a claim can be filed. To be clear the claim was filed against him a long time ago. Statute of Limitations no longer applies.

    2. Re:Statute of Limitations by Black+Diamond · · Score: 2

      Except that when you flee from justice the clock doesn't run out on the statue of limitations. Otherwise Roman Polanski would be able to come back to the US.

    3. Re:Statute of Limitations by sit1963nz · · Score: 1

      The US statute of limitations does not apply to people who flee the country to evade prosecution. That provision is there to stop that exact behaviour.

    4. Re:Statute of Limitations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it depends on the country. A few months ago, in Sweden, a sports coach who had sex with a minor at the time got off because he hid from the police and didn't show up at his trial. I could not find a english media article covering the case, here is one in Swedish: https://www.metro.se/artikel/tr%C3%A4naren-%C3%A5talad-f%C3%B6r-sexbrott-mot-flicka-kan-slippa-r%C3%A4tteg%C3%A5ng

    5. Re:Statute of Limitations by phayes · · Score: 1

      Polanski had also pled guilty and was awaiting sentencing before he jumped bail which is another separate reason for there being no applicable statue of limitations for him.

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  8. Boo-Hoo by Jahoda · · Score: 1

    A good way to not be under house arrest for 6 years is to answer the charges for which you are under indictment.

    Julian Assange, if he is innocent, should have no problem appearing before a judge and jury.

    1. Re:Boo-Hoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A good way to not be under house arrest for 6 years is to answer the charges for which you are under indictment.

        Julian Assange, if he is innocent, should have no problem appearing before a judge and jury.

      because UK government officials would never lie to satisfy an American extradition request?

  9. He stopped the coronation of Queen Hillary by cyber-vandal · · Score: 0

    He should be assassinated! Or was that because he revealed the war crimes of the Bush administration, I'm not sure.

    1. Re:He stopped the coronation of Queen Hillary by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      He should be assassinated!

      Nobody's suggesting this, except for idiots who fail miserably at trolling.

      But there is absolutely no reason that he should not be held accountable for his actions.

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    2. Re: He stopped the coronation of Queen Hillary by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Sarah Palin suggested it and the reactions of Hillary supporters to him now are nearly as hysterical. It was fine when he was doing it to the other "team" but now he's persona non grata because he made their "team" look bad.

    3. Re: He stopped the coronation of Queen Hillary by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Well, you'd expect Palin to say something dumb. However, the Hillary supporters I know haven't been hysterical about the asshole. I suspect you're talking about a very small, if loud, number of people.

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  10. Assange still ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... has a lot of followers and massive, embarrassing leaks could surface if someone pisses him off.

    What's the status of the Insurance Torrent that was so dominant in 2013?

    Wikileaks insurance files, just in case the worst happens

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    1. Re:Assange still ... by Motard · · Score: 1

      Apparently this doesn't count as the worst happening. Or, that was all smoke.

  11. Snowflake by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    He wants to move out of his Ecuadorian mom's basement because she wants him to get a job and doesn't believe his "really bad tooth" story any more.

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  12. These medical problems are convenient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For death by heart attack or suicide. Keep an eye out. They'll blame the tooth ache and shoulder thing if they give him a heart attack or the depression from being stuck in an Embassy and the pressure from this whole thing if they decide to make it look like a suicide.

    1. Re: These medical problems are convenient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In case no one is aware, plaque and heart disease go hand in hand. They just pick a few not too obvious things just in case plan A doesn't go well.

    2. Re: These medical problems are convenient by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Man, the paranoid AC Assangeniks are out in force today.

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  13. Meanwhile, ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... the UK is flooded with other requests to drop arrest warrants because, "... and I broke a nail ..."

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  14. Charges are bullshit. Always have been. by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    The rape allegation is nothing but a pretext to get him into custody so he may be interrogated by or outright handed over to the United States. If it wasn't, the government of Sweden would have taken up Assange years ago on his offers to be interviewed by investigators remotely or in person at the embassy. Or to return to Sweden outright if they promised not to hand him over to U.S. custody.

    The response to this inconvenient fact is generally a pithy "since when do wanted suspects get to negotiate terms". Well, since cops negotiate with suspects all the time. Lets say Dallas cops had Micah Xavier Johnson on the phone and were trying to get him to surrender. They would of course say no to crazy demands like a million dollars and a getaway car. But if Johnson had offered to give himself up on the condition that he not be flown to Guantanamo to be tortured, the SWAT commander would roll his eyes and say "sure, we wont fly you to Cuba, so drop your guns and walk out with your hands up".

    Assange's fear of being handed over to the U.S. isn't remotely crazy, though, since Sweden handed people over to the CIA who were then tortured and Obama had Manning tortured with months of solitary confinement. So, yeah, a suspect gets to negotiate terms when dealing with entities known for kidnapping and torture, two things the people screaming about alleged rape DGAF about.

    The response to that is a pithy "well Assange offered to give himself up if Obama commuted Manning's sentence so he's bluffing". EXCEPT - the very credible threats of persecution and torture is why Ecuador granted Assange asylum in the first place. If Sweden were to take extradition and interrogation by the U.S. off the table, the reason for that asylum disappears. So if this is really about alleged rape, let it be about the alleged rape and nothing else. Either Sweden takes Assange up on his offer because the threat is real, or Sweden takes Assange up on his offer so Ecuador will show him the door.

    1. Re:Charges are bullshit. Always have been. by Motard · · Score: 1

      The rape allegation is nothing but a pretext to get him into custody so he may be interrogated by or outright handed over to the United States.

      He *was* in custody and he *wasn't* interrogated by or handed over to the U.S. He'd be the first one to say that he was.

    2. Re:Charges are bullshit. Always have been. by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      He *was* in custody

      In the U.K. for a rape investigation in another country. If that's why Assange was being arrested, how would they explain handing him over not to Sweden, but the FBI.

    3. Re:Charges are bullshit. Always have been. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The rape allegation is a rape allegation. You appear to be very willing to throw accusations out if you like a guy.

      I also suspect you understand Swedish law about as I understand Chinese. I don't know why the Swedish authorities didn't interview him at the embassy, but if I remember his demands they weren't satisfactory for a serious interrogation. The Swedish Government can't actually give assurances against extradition without writing a new law. That's a judicial matter. Instead, you assume that Assange was being reasonable while the Swedish authorities weren't, without trying to understand why the Swedes did what they did.

      Do you have two examples of Sweden allowing CIA kidnapping? I only found one, quite a few years ago, that caused political problems for the government. Your cite also notes that the Swedes did agree that the subject wasn't to be tortured, and that agreement was violated. You're basing your claim of rendition on an exceedingly thin thread.

      You have provided no support for the idea that the US wants him in the first place. If the US had wanted to get him, it would have been shortly after Assange released the material, not now that he's faded into irrelevance. There is no credible threat of execution or torture. Ecuador wanted to thumb its nose at the British and Americans, no more. There is no need for assurance; after all, Sweden can't extradite him to the US without UK permission.

      As far as I can tell, Assange likely raped a woman, for which a completely legal extradition request was made, fled to the UK, apparently without the Swedish authorities knowing, and has been dodging the rape accusation. I see no reason for him to fear torture. If he comes out, he will face prosecution, because he violated UK law and may well be guilty of a serious crime in Sweden, which hasn't been determined in court.

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    4. Re:Charges are bullshit. Always have been. by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      The rape allegation is a rape allegation. You appear to be very willing to throw accusations out if you like a guy.

      You appear to be willfully obtuse, in that you're ignoring the entire point here: if this is about a rape allegation....let it be about a rape allegation and not a pretext for U.S. extradition. And again, even if you think Assange is bluffing about returning to Sweden in return for a promise not to be handed over to the U.S., such a guarantee would mean Ecuador would no longer have a reason to grant him asylum.

      The Swedish Government can't actually give assurances against extradition without writing a new law. That's a judicial matter.

      Countries deny extradition requests all the time, even for known terrorists. Sweden would have perfectly valid reasons in denying extradition to a country known for using the death penalty and torture.

      Do you have two examples of Sweden allowing CIA kidnapping?

      If you were wanted by a country known for using torture, kidnapping and throwing whistleblowers in prisons for decades, how many examples would you need of third party complicity?

      You have provided no support for the idea that the US wants him in the first place.

      That's like asking for evidence that Obama is black. You're really asking if the U.S. has interest in getting a man into custody who has published dirt and war crimes for multiple administrations. Really?

      U.S. officials have openly joked about having him assassinated for years, Obama persecuted more whistleblowers than all previous presidents combined times two, and a sealed indictment has been an open secret for years.

      As far as I can tell, Assange likely raped a woman

      Based on the fact that neither woman made a rape allegation and Assange was cleared by Swedish investigators to leave the country?

      I see no reason for him to fear torture.

      After I mentioned how Chelsea Manning was tortured with solitary confinement for months on end? Then you're willfully blind. The real nail in the coffin of your imperialist apologia is the case of Gottfrid Svartholm. Sweden goes to great lengths to extract a Pirate Bay founder from a non-extradition country, then as soon as he lands in the country he's held incommunicado for completely separate charges for a completely separate country. Which means that interrogation and extradition were planned in advance. And was then deported to said country.

  15. Fuck Russia-lovers and libertoon traitors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any mention of Rapey McGobshite sure brings out the idiots and bots.

    Here's a brutal, blunt FUCK YOU to the alt-right and Russian bots flooding this story. You know deep down that America is the light on the hill in this world, yet you insist on publicly degrading yourselves by pretending that Russia and China are no worse than America, and spreading the dirty lie that the occasional lapse from the West is evidence that everything that came out of the Enlightenment is worthless, and that we should just let the mafias, mass-murders and authoritarians of the world take an explosive shit all over the world forevermore. Because MUH WESTERN HYPOCRISY.

    Why are you basement-dwelling, incel, froggy libertoon cunts such worthless, degraded, sub-human trash? Because Daddy didn't love you, and your Judas complex compels you to betray your nation and culture? Get fucked, assholes.

    So suck my dick, right-wing haters. I hope you all die of cancer.

  16. the moment he leaves all will be restarted by 4wdloop · · Score: 1

    from the Sweedish note about invastigation dropping:

    https://yro.slashdot.org/comme...

    – If he, at a later date, makes himself available, I will be able to decide to resume the investigation immediately, says Marianne Ny.

    So the moment he steps out all will be restarted. Pretty sure the extradition papers are ready to be filed immediately (first Sweden then US).
    And likely the UK charges of breaking the bail and avoiding arrest will never be dropped.

    If it was me I would decide to step out and let the legal storm start and yes, likely ending up in US. Otherwise he is stuck in the embassy forever.

    What penalty is he facing in US being now citizen of Ecuador and Australia?

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    1. Re:the moment he leaves all will be restarted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's facing a lifetime in Guantanamo (with or without trial) for espionage. His citizenship will mean nothing.

  17. For gods sake, just get rid of him by Mr_Silver · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's costing us, the UK tax payer, about £10k per day for the policing. Quite frankly, it's a colossal waste of money at a time where the amount of public spending available cannot be pissed up the wall on something like this.

    Part of that daily money would be better spent purchasing him a one way ticket to Ecuador, escorting him to Heathrow, onto the aeroplane and then waving him goodbye.

    And then we can go back to spending that kind of money on far far more important things.

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    1. Re:For gods sake, just get rid of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The rich want him to rot in the Ecuadorian embassy. To them it's the next best thing to capturing and torturing him. 10k/day is nothing for those who spend thousands times that amount daily, and also they don't care since it's all payed by you guys (uk taxpayers) and your lords can do whatever they want with your money..I mean THEIR money.

    2. Re:For gods sake, just get rid of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's just let all the prisoners out of prison while we're at it. Imagine how much money that would free up?

    3. Re:For gods sake, just get rid of him by Mr_Silver · · Score: 2

      Prisoners are found guilty, he's had all the charges against him dropped. A subtle, but rather important, difference.

      In fact, the only thing he's guilty of now is skipping bail and, right now, we're spending £10k a day for a bunch of policemen/women to hang around on the street waiting for him to leave the embassy.

      If you don't think he should be let go then we could, at least, drop the costs of policing and just arrest him the moment he's spotted in public. It's not like we don't have CCTV cameras on almost every corner of almost every street.

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    4. Re:For gods sake, just get rid of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The biggest outrage I see in your post is the amount of money this is allegedly costing. What the fuck are they doing that swallows 10 grand a day?

    5. Re:For gods sake, just get rid of him by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Swedish charges against Assange have been dropped because, apparently, they need to be trying to apprehend Assange for there to be charges (the Swedes apparently don't have "charges" in the sense that we do). The charge will be brought up again if Sweden can get Assange into custody.

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    6. Re:For gods sake, just get rid of him by Mr_Silver · · Score: 1

      You're right and god knows. I'm pretty sure that we don't spend anywhere near £10k a day on other people who skip bail.

      I'm amazed that no-one has said "come on, is this really a good use of our money?"

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  18. Stick your dick in crazy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He has himself to blame. Not f*cking just one, but TWO crazy women in the same week!

  19. Fuck THEM by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1

    Representing the Crown Prosecution Service, Aaron Watkins it would be absurd for defendants to be "rewarded with effective immunity" simply for having evaded proceedings for long enough.

    Fuck THEM. It’s them who are at fault for not being able to secure the arrest of Assange. So why should they be “rewarded” by punishing Assange?

    1. Re:Fuck THEM by Motard · · Score: 1

      Because he fucked them first by agreeing to terms and then fleeing to the embassy.

  20. Re:A POLITICAL PRISONER by Cederic · · Score: 1

    You seem to be throwing out terms without understanding their meaning.

    Could you please indicate where corruption occurred and which civil rights were abused?

  21. Re: Julian Assange should be SET FREE by Motard · · Score: 1

    Realms?

  22. Re:TIME SERVED by Motard · · Score: 2

    You fucking moron. The U.K. had him in custody and allowed him to remain in the U.K. under restricted terms until the legal issues played out. They could've handed him over to the U.S. right there. But they didn't.

    The U.S. does not give a shit about this smelly little Aussie, However, Assange has not exactly endeared himself with the Brits.

  23. Nonsense. by aberglas · · Score: 1

    Assange believes that the USA thought it would be easier to extradite him from Sweden then the UK, probably correctly. His move to Equador's embassy was unexpected.

    The bail charges are trivial. Unlike the USA, the UK does not hand out long sentences for minor crimes. In Assange's case, a suspended sentence or at worst a few month in what, by USA standards, would be a very comfortable jail.

    That is obviously not Assange is worried about. He is worried about the USA, and the sealed (secret) grand jury case against him.

    Is Assange correct? Probably not, but I would not bet my life on that.

    Mind you, he was accused of "Rape" (whatever that really means these days) and so must be guilty.

    1. Re:Nonsense. by Motard · · Score: 1

      Assange believes that the USA thought it would be easier to extradite him from Sweden then the UK, probably correctly. His move to Equador's embassy was unexpected.

      Unexpected and hilarious. He imprisoned himself. Now he's whining about it.

    2. Re:Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assange believes that the USA thought it would be easier to extradite him from Sweden then the UK, probably correctly.

      In fact, he certainly wasn't correct on that front. If he was extradited to Sweden from the UK, then Sweden would need permission from the UK to extradite him to the US. How would that be any easier than just extraditing him straight from the UK?

  24. Serious rape, and Assange let go? by aberglas · · Score: 1

    Must have been an odd sort of rape if the Swedes did not press charges once they questioned Assange. Maybe the fact that the women involved did not want to press charges had something to do with it. Or that they socialized with Assange *after* the alleged "Rape", and just wanted Assange to have an STD check, which he belatedly did.

    Were the Swedes puppets of the USA? Probably not. The case just got taken on by a belligerent SJW prosecutor, who is now probably very relieved that the case has expired and she does not have to front court. Incidentally, statute of limitations do not apply to people once they have been charged, which is why she would never interview Assange and then have to either charge him or drop the charges, either of which would not have been good for her.

    Is Assange's paranoia about the USA wanting to extradite him out of Sweden justifiable? Hard to say. They were certainly angry about the Manning leaks, and Assange almost certainly helped and encouraged Manning to do the leaks. But I would not bet my life on it either way.

    The Bail charges are trivial. At worst a very few months jail, probably just a suspended sentence. This is not about bail.

    1. Re:Serious rape, and Assange let go? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Swedish law does not work that way. Formal charges are brought late in the proceedings, immediately before trial. Nevertheless, the case was at a stage where, had it been brought in the UK or US, he would have been charged long ago. This was confirmed by UK courts (as well as agreeing that his alleged actions would constitute rape in the UK as well as Sweden) when they concluded that the EAW was lawful.

  25. Hang Him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fucking commie traitor.

  26. Get the Israelis on to him by captbollocks · · Score: 1

    Omar Zayed had fled to embassy to escape extradition for killing of Israeli student; Palestinians say Israel assassinated him, Jerusalem denies it https://www.timesofisrael.com/...

  27. Assange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    R U aware that Assange is now in Switzerland under US protection?

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  28. If I were him... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd walk out of the embassy, get arrested, then deported. The US state dept. (Trump) will *not* extradite him. If they do, he gets an offer from Mueller that he can't refuse and walks off scot free after a few speaking engagements in federal court.