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Dutch Intelligence Agents Watched Russia Hack the DNC (volkskrant.nl)
Long-time Slashdot readers Agilulf, Sara Chan, and wiredmikey -- plus an anonymous reader -- all submitted the same story. Agilulf writes:
Dutch hackers from AIVD (their intelligence agency) infiltrated Russian hackers, had access to their CCTV system, and followed them for more than a year, watched their attack on the DNC, provided the proof to the U.S. intelligence community that Russia was behind those hacks and the stolen emails, and were disappointed with the response from the U.S.
The Dutch agents also watched Russian agents breach a non-classified network at the U.S. State Department in 2014, where the Russians then sent a phishing email to the White House, successfully stole login credentials, and then accessed email from embassies and diplomats.
"Three American intelligence services state with 'high confidence' that the Kremlin was behind the attack on the Democratic Party," according to the article, which adds that that certainty "is derived from the AIVD hackers having had access to the office-like space in the center of Moscow for years."
The Dutch agents also watched Russian agents breach a non-classified network at the U.S. State Department in 2014, where the Russians then sent a phishing email to the White House, successfully stole login credentials, and then accessed email from embassies and diplomats.
"Three American intelligence services state with 'high confidence' that the Kremlin was behind the attack on the Democratic Party," according to the article, which adds that that certainty "is derived from the AIVD hackers having had access to the office-like space in the center of Moscow for years."
What does it matter who hacked the DNC? There's still no proof that this hack was the source of the emails given to Wikileaks, the legitimacy of the emails was never in dispute, and it's the contents of those emails that got them in trouble, not the hack.
The "Russia hacking scandal" was that they "hacked the election," a claim for which absolutely no evidence has been provided.
There's still no evidence that there is any tie between Russia and the Trump campaign, and this does nothing to further it.
This is a giant nothingburger. It tells us nothing and means nothing.
Oh please. We already know that the Mueller "investigation" is nothing more than pay-back by Mueller over an old beef with Trump and anger at Comey's firing. We already know that the Obama administration was illegally investigating Trump throughout the campaign and didn't turn up anything despite the illegal spying.
Unfortunately the proof of this is still "classified" (read: embarrassing for the DOJ and FBI so they're hampering efforts to release it), but the end is near for the Mueller investigation and we already know it found nothing, thanks to the hard work of Rep. Devin Nunes.
There is a referendum upcoming in the Netherlands about massively expanding what the intelligence agencies are allowed to do. Any information about Dutch intelligence in the coming months should be viewed in that light. The government is trying to paint them in as positive light as possible. Given that nothing they say can be verified, be careful what you believe.
So the emails were real. Not fake.
???
Strawman, is that you?
I think it has been said there were a few fake ones in between, or that there might be, but the breaki.n happened and was done by russians was never disputed.
If Trump gets impeached, we will not be getting Hillary... We will get Mike Pence, who is probably 100x worse than Trump.... So be careful what you wish for.... You should look up presidential line of succession. It would be Mike Pence -> Paul Ryan -> Orrin Hatch. All nice gems in themselves. Also it's highly unlikely there was any collaboration. What probably happened was some hackers obviously did hack the DNC, then gave that info to someone, then that someone who possibly was Russian, approached Trump team and said hey I have juicy emails showing DNC corruption, would you like it? And Trump said, hell yeah, let me see. Collaboration would have to show that they were working together on the plan and execution. Which clearly was not the case.
There was NEVER a "hack", the DNC emails were turned over by a DNC staffer named Seth Rich. The PODESTA emails were Phish'd over (Podesta turned over his password), neither are hacking.
If I was gunned down in the street in a "botched robbery", I reaalllllyyy doubt the FBI would be conducting a forensic analysis of my laptop within hours of my death.
You know why the FBI didn't seize the DNC servers? Because they weren't hacked and they knew from the start that Seth Rich was the source.
Donna Brazile said after Seth Rich was killed, she kept the blinds down to protect from snipers, possibly Russian. LOL. The Russians break every rule of engagement to start a possible WWIII with us to kill a man who...according to the DNC, didn't leak any emails.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Cosy Bear, the group involved here, is well documented by multiple parties in multiple countries. Several anti-virus/security vendors have identified their malware and examined it in detail including Kaspersky (!), Symantec and F-Secure. So Russian, Finnish and American companies all reaching the same conclusions. Multiple law enforcement and security services have detected their attacks too.
At this point their existence and activities are not really in question. They are known to attack politicians in other countries, seemingly with the goal of causing disruption to governments and democratic processes.
If you want to read more then the Wikipedia article is a good jumping off point, with lots of references and links to analysis of their malware and operations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
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Let me answer your simple, very pointed question. The Top Secret contents of Hillary's emails are know to include:
1) raw intelligence from intercepts of foreign government officials, which reveals who and how we are listening in on those foreign governments;
2) raw imagery from NRO satellites. Leaking this shows exactly how capable the US is, how effective the attempts to disguise or camouflage are, and also WHAT the US is interested in watching;
3) human reporting - which again reveals the sources that are willing to talk to the US.
There may be other categories as well, but those haven't been confirmed in "leaks" to the press.
Why does the Secretary of State need to know these things? Well, because she was representing the US Government in negotiations with foreign governments are organizations. Giving her the intel helps her understand the specifics of whatever the issue is, such as recognizing that her counterparts are lying to her because the NSA just gave her a transcript how them planning their lies, or the NRO showing her an image of the troop movements that they say aren't happening.
Without that knowledge, the Secretary of State is crippled in her ability to do her job.
Hillary had every right to view that information. She had zero right to remove it from the secure networks and put it on her private - and insecure - server.