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Pentagon Reviews GPS Policies After Fitness Trackers Reveal Locations (npr.org)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from NPR: Locations and activity of U.S. military bases; jogging and patrol routes of American soldiers -- experts say those details are among the GPS data shared by the exercise tracking company Strava, whose Heat Map reflects more than a billion exercise activities globally. The Pentagon says it's looking at adding new training and policies to address security concerns. "Recent data releases emphasize the need for situational awareness when members of the military share personal information," Pentagon spokesman Major Adrian J.T. Rankine-Galloway of the U.S. Marine Corps said in a statement about the implications of the Strava data that has made international headlines. Strava -- which includes an option for keeping users' workout data private -- published the updated Heat Map late last year. The California-based company calls itself "the social network for athletes," saying that its mobile apps and website connect millions of people every day. Using data from fitness trackers such as the Fitbit, Strava's map shows millions of users' runs, walks, and bike trips from 2015 to September of 2017 -- and in some countries, the activities of military and aid personnel are seen in stark contrast, as their outposts shine brightly among the comparative darkness of their surroundings.

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  1. If you wear a tracking GPS... by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you wear a tracking GPS...it might track where you are. Film at 11.

    Just tell our soldiers and sailors that their comrade/shipmate's activities may conjure some inbound and the "new guy with the pretty watch" problem should take care of itself.

    1. Re:If you wear a tracking GPS... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a soldier I laughed out loud on that one.

    2. Re:If you wear a tracking GPS... by hambone142 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yup. It's kinda lame that the armed forces don't have enough foresight to predict that carrying devices that transmit location and logging in to websites that produce the same information might just reveal a person's location.

      It seems we've gotten a case of the "stupids" lately.

    3. Re:If you wear a tracking GPS... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, very much this.

    4. Re:If you wear a tracking GPS... by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      More sensibly, it is kind of stupid for any military to allow their personal into the field with a non-military mobile phone with a specific range of set apps and fully encoded data transmissions. Don't let the military deploy with their personal phones, gather them up and replace them with durable military issue units and take out naughty apps and install military apps.

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    5. Re:If you wear a tracking GPS... by AlwinBarni · · Score: 1

      It's not just about a "pretty watch", this app is available on all the phones, which all have GPS.
      Unfortunately all soldiers, when not at home, would have to have military only approved personal gadgets with no personalized apps, or at least would be able to chose only from a set of pre-approved apps.

      Honestly, soldiers on duty install tracking apps with sharing default option and nobody had asked any questions till all their whereabouts were made public?

  2. Cloud data increases the risk by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

    Even the external "secure" provision of cloud services itself allows predictive location of military and intel assets. Just the traffic flow itself allows you to pinpoint this, even if it's time-delay GPS data from "I turned my cell/smartphone/fitbit/watch off, sergeant!" health data.

    We can back extrapolate locations and pinpoint internal corridors and access points - for example, knowing people stop at a door for x minutes/seconds tells us what the security protocol is for the access point, and knowing the elevation information from other ping services drops except at stairwells tells us what is and what is not secure within the installation.

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  3. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The DOD, the grand master of the GPS system, decided to start jamming GPS signal on its own bases...

    1. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unlikely but possible. The DOD has developed a new signal that is sent from NavStar GPS satellites that has not been published publicly. This new code is autonomous (not relying on the civil coded signal like the previous version), is encoded in a way more resilient to jamming, and is transmitted on higher gain antennas (which improves anti-jamming even more). So, the DOD could jam the civil signal, even to the point of giving false location data rather than just making it unavailable, and retain full capability for themselves.

      The problem with this is most every device that uses NavStar has redundant means to get their location. This can be from cell phone location data, GLONASS GPS, Galileo GPS, inertial navigation, and perhaps others that I don't recall right now. Blocking all of these would be difficult and perhaps impossible, or rather impossible without some other ramifications like broadcasting their location with a radio noisemaker to block satellite navigation.

      I remember people noticing that their GPS would stop tracking their location once they entered certain government controlled areas. It would continue to report their location as being at the entry gate while on the site and only return to giving their accurate location once they left. This would most definitely have to be hard coded some way into the device since the GPS signal doesn't magically change at this invisible line. Other obviously hard coded limits on civilian GPS units is the device would stop working if it detected it exceeded a certain speed or altitude, such as what one might obtain in an airplane. I don't know if these limits exist in more current devices as people simply stopped talking about them. I suspect this is because aircraft rated GPS is a thing now, and with more people making GPS chips it's impossible to enforce a hard code on the limits without broadcasting the borders of every government controlled space.

      I'm not even sure the DOD has full control on the NavStar system now, where they could just turn it off if they wanted to. So many people rely on accurate navigation that turning it off, or jamming it, would be a PR blunder and ultimately pointless. There are now at least three different satellite navigation systems now that it can't be stopped by some DOD dictate any more.

      What adds even more to this nonsense of the DOD jamming its own signal is that there is evidence now that foreign powers have found the means to give false NavStar coordinates now. There is suspicion that US Navy ships have been running into civilian ships because their navigation is different than the other ships. Either the Navy is getting correct data and the civilian ships are getting false data, or vice versa, and they run into each other in crowded shipping lanes. All is good if everyone gets the same data, false or not, because the lanes are based on this data. That's why airplanes fly at altitudes based on air pressure and not on radio signals, the air pressure is going to differ only on altitude with all else being the same, and no one is going to jam the air pressure.

    2. Re:In other news... by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      Re "There is suspicion that US Navy ships have been running into civilian ships because their navigation is different than the other ships."
      Thats due to not having the crew up to standard 24/7 while on duty. Just put more effort into finding people with the skills to learn who are not distracted.
      Technology has got better. Take time to educate and test the crew before letting them do "navigation".

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    3. Re:In other news... by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Re "I don't know if these limits exist in more current devices as people simply stopped talking about them."
      Fake mobile phone masts spy on your calls
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...
      Lots of digital news is around AC. Lots of data to collect from different consumer devices wondering around.

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    4. Re:In other news... by grim4593 · · Score: 1

      GPS does work in an airplane, I've used it on a commercial airliner. Speed, location, and direction were correct but I didn't check altitude.

    5. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US federal government has placed restrictions on GPS units requiring them to not give location data if it finds itself above a certain altitude, unless they got some kind of license from the government. Units capable of tracking past certain limits are considered restricted munitions. Perhaps this does not apply any more, the government is giving out these licenses more freely, or some other work around is common now. Aircraft GPS units are licensed, of course, and perhaps have other restrictions on them to avoid being considered a restricted munition.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System#Restrictions_on_civilian_use

    6. Re:In other news... by grim4593 · · Score: 1

      I used my cell phone with the CoPilot GPS app.

  4. Disappointment ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... is the lack of foresight on the part of American military.

    We used to be better than this.

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    1. Re: Disappointment ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah! Back in WW2 all pur boys knew to take off their smart watches before going into kraut territory.

    2. Re:Disappointment ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That or they're already aware that men with guns and big armed helicopters with US on the side kind of telegraph the presence of Americans.

      Just saying

    3. Re:Disappointment ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no we didn't. we just didn't have these devices before. search the internet, there are stories about other country's military doings similarly stupid shit. If you allow personal devices like this or even access to the internet while deployed, you will lose your advantage.

    4. Re:Disappointment ... by bobbied · · Score: 0

      I have a feeling that we ARE better than this when and where it really counts., but I do expect some additional "social media" direction to be given out that includes exercise tracking devices and cell phones.

      I'm pretty sure that if you are on active duty in a war zone, PT with your FitBit or Apple Watch isn't high on the list of desired activities. If you are on a recon team actually working, you won't be running the perimeter fence of the base three times a week and I doubt they will let you take your fitbit and cell phone.

      Then there is the whole, let's stuff the app's data angle here. I know of an application that spoofs your cell phone's GPS receiver and can place you anyplace you want in the world. Seems like a way to provide any data you want to the application... Makes me wonder if the military isn't capable of making it appear like their resources are vastly different than they actually are.

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    5. Re:Disappointment ... by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      like invading italy and picking landing zones outside of air support range?

    6. Re:Disappointment ... by Kjella · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure that if you are on active duty in a war zone, PT with your FitBit or Apple Watch isn't high on the list of desired activities.

      Unless you're actually deployed on a mission isn't it mostly habit? You go for a jog for the same reason you do your push-ups and sit-ups, it's just the daily routine to stay in shape. Or it's base personnel who despite not being on the extreme front line feel the need to stay in shape, I don't think I've ever seen an obese high ranking officer even though they're just commanding people around.

      I know of an application that spoofs your cell phone's GPS receiver and can place you anyplace you want in the world. Seems like a way to provide any data you want to the application... Makes me wonder if the military isn't capable of making it appear like their resources are vastly different than they actually are.

      Well they could, but it's unlikely they could hide an entire base anyway. That doesn't mean they want to give away the exact scope or layout, entry/exit points etc. for snipers, someone to stage an assault, plant an IED or whatever.

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    7. Re:Disappointment ... by bobbied · · Score: 1

      As you say, it's unlikely you would be able to hide any kind of military installation anyway, and entry and exit points or sniper vantage points are all externally visible. I'm just guessing here but I'm pretty sure that if the adversary is capable of knowing the value of the information you outline, they are likely capable of doing the surveillance necessary to obtain it. Pattern of life data around any reasonable sized military base is pretty easy to obtain.

      That doesn't mean advisories wouldn't exploit the web to obtain the data if they thought of it and had the means, but I seriously doubt this is a huge security issue in most cases...

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    8. Re:Disappointment ... by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Thats nice AC but with the fitness tracker you can start to build up a profile of US officers. Not just that a helicopter is been used.
      That officer, contractor can then be tracked around the world globally.
      People with no experience, new to the mil been used a lot? Decades of experience been sent out to a base/fort/camp?
      In the past someone would have to create a profile of the US command structure using local informants, spies, files and other methods.
      Now who does what exercise when can map out unexpected individuals.

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    9. Re:Disappointment ... by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Not everyone is doing active duty like the troops. A lot of contractors, experts and support staff are now used and they like their gym time.
      Re "military isn't capable of making"
      The NSA and GCHQ hope interesting people now start to scan each and every US base to try and build up a profile of fitness trackers?
      A digital trap to flush out interesting people trying to map out US forces digitally and globally?
      A cyber trap to see who responds in what way to the fitness tracker story? All US mil sites are awash with interesting consumer data, try and detect it...

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    10. Re:Disappointment ... by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Re "You go for a jog for the same reason you do your push-ups and sit-ups, it's just the daily routine to stay in shape."
      Look at what the average non special forces US mil person has to carry. All that water, food, weapons systems, batteries, communications. A lot of weight that needs a lot of strength and fitness in different climates and altitudes. To carry that amount of weight every mission, everyone has to keep fit and stay fit. A daily routine with some computer data per person would be supported by the need for people to be so fit and stay fit.

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    11. Re:Disappointment ... by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      The location of a base is kind of easy to find given the interesting locals would notice. Who is on base, for how long and what their past was, thats the question that global digital tracking of people can make more interesting. Who stays on base with the fitness. Why wonders off base? Who uses a local gym? Who can be befriend? Who then shows up in another part of the world?

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  5. ORDERS TO TROOPS: by kenwd0elq · · Score: 1

    All military personnel must enable the "Privacy" mode on all portable electronic devices when out of CONUS. Because those privacy modes are disabled by default.

    1. Re:ORDERS TO TROOPS: by sunderland56 · · Score: 1

      In this case, it is not the device itself - it is the web site.

      strava.com allows the user to mark every run/ride/swim/etc as public or private. You'd think that members of the military would be smart enough and tech savvy enough to mark their uploads as private; yet here we are. This isn't a technology problem, it's simple user error.

    2. Re:ORDERS TO TROOPS: by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Given the amount of data, it seems like it defaults to "public-to-the-world" and not just "private to me (and my friends)" or "private" really means "we still collect and share your data, we'll just make sure it's anonymized". Who in their right mind would want to let the world know where they are regularly jogging, especially if you're away overseas in the military.

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    3. Re:ORDERS TO TROOPS: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd think that members of the military would be smart enough

      This made me laugh out loud.

      Those privacy options aren't even on the device. They're on a an external web site that most people will never see.

      Plus, we're talking about the only military in the world that will turn away applicants for being too smart.

    4. Re:ORDERS TO TROOPS: by geekmux · · Score: 1

      All military personnel must enable the "Privacy" mode on all portable electronic devices when out of CONUS. Because those privacy modes are disabled by default.

      I'm gonna take a wild guess that you've never actually served in the Armed Forces. If you did, you would realize this would never work.

    5. Re:ORDERS TO TROOPS: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd think that members of the military would be smart enough and tech savvy enough to mark their uploads as private; yet here we are.

      I recall hearing that it is illegal for the US military to induct anyone with an IQ score below 85. I do believe this to be generally true but just not written in law like that. Everyone that enlists must take an "aptitude" test that highly correlates to intelligence. The minimum score on this test would seem to equate, at least fairly close, to an IQ score of 85. But that's just intelligence, there is still the aspect of knowing enough about technology. The high tech guys might know this kind of stuff. I recall that in the Air Force everyone must have some kind of information security training. That still leaves a lot of people in the military that scored below a 100 IQ on the entrance exam, and no information security training.

      Oh, and the military guys tend to like buying gadgets. They got all their food, clothing, and shelter provided by the government, and a not-too-shabby pay on top. What do they spend this on? Just about any electronic gadget they can find to minimize the boredom while out in the middle of nowhere. They'll buy miniature DVD players, iPods, and (as you might guess) fancy little wristwatches.

      In summary, I'm not surprised that there are plenty of military people that don't know any better.

    6. Re:ORDERS TO TROOPS: by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Given the amount of data, it seems like it defaults to "public-to-the-world" and not just "private to me (and my friends)"

      I can't say about Strava, but Polar defaults to everything being private, and you have to deliberately share data or make it public.

      Not that it should matter - if the options to make it private are there, we should expect anyone in secret locations to do so (or even better, don't log GPS coordinates at all). Why do we give them security clearance if they can't be bothered to take the simplest precautions?

    7. Re:ORDERS TO TROOPS: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... the only military in the world that will turn away applicants for being too smart.

      [citation needed]

    8. Re:ORDERS TO TROOPS: by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      AC if the mil bans the new digital devices on base then troops wonder around off base talking to spies about how bad the conditions are.

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    9. Re:ORDERS TO TROOPS: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The police did that, not the military.

      Go ahead and get a good score on the ASVAB. The recruiters will hound you for years. "So have you given any more thought to signing up?"

    10. Re:ORDERS TO TROOPS: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you fail the intelligence test,the recruiters will have you study for the test and retake it again and again until you pass. Or they will find a waiver for it. There are waivers for almost everything.

    11. Re:ORDERS TO TROOPS: by guruevi · · Score: 1

      The question is what does private really mean. Does it mean "we'll share it, it just doesn't have your personal details attached" or does it mean "it's completely shredded from our servers forever"

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  6. Easy policy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No personal devices, done. 20 years ago they wouldn't have had cell phones, now they all do. If they are deployed, depending on where and what the mission is, they either get no contact with home or the internet, or they only get access to home and the internet via a shared workstation setup centrally located on the base. Anyone caught deploying with any sort of electronic device besides possibly an approved MP3 or DVD player should be subject to "other than honorable discharge". There is no reason for them to have them when deployed. You want to keep a secret you don't let people talk. Allowing people access to the internet will leak information 100% of the time.

    1. Re:Easy policy by quantaman · · Score: 1

      No personal devices, done. 20 years ago they wouldn't have had cell phones, now they all do. If they are deployed, depending on where and what the mission is, they either get no contact with home or the internet, or they only get access to home and the internet via a shared workstation setup centrally located on the base. Anyone caught deploying with any sort of electronic device besides possibly an approved MP3 or DVD player should be subject to "other than honorable discharge". There is no reason for them to have them when deployed. You want to keep a secret you don't let people talk. Allowing people access to the internet will leak information 100% of the time.

      I think there's another side of this where keeping these people sane is a real issue. If you look at the Bowe Bergdahl case one thing that's clear is the kid made some extremely poor decisions, and a big reason seems to be he was socially isolated and more-or-less lost his mind. His reaction was clearly an outlier, but I have no doubt there's a lot of other bad decision making and discipline issues that come from a result of the psychological stress people are under.

      So take away their internet and Smartphones when absolutely necessary, but replace them with some other kind of distraction. Don't expect them to be perfect automatons who don't require recreation.

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    2. Re:Easy policy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think you know what that word means. This is the military, they should have 100% control over this stuff and yet, it appears they have very little control.

    3. Re:Easy policy by DogDude · · Score: 2

      I think there's another side of this where keeping these people sane is a real issue.

      People who aren't "sane" without cell phones are not mentally healthy and shouldn't be part of the active military.

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    4. Re:Easy policy by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      You want to keep a secret you don't let people talk.

      You're assuming that this is a secret, rather than large obvious forward outposts that were blown up figuratively by internet armchair doomsayers.

    5. Re:Easy policy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you want The Draft? Because that's how you get the draft.

      One of the unpleasant things Americans need to accept about the military is that a variety of people go in there, and at least part of its purpose is to give disadvantaged people a way to be useful instead of ending up in prison due to insanity, desperate poverty, etc.

      If you don't want those people in the military anymore, then Americans are going to have to start voting to take care of those people. And noobdy votes for that; our current attitude is "if you're poor, go fuck yourself. If you have mental illness, then seriously go fuck yourself, but please try not to take too many people down with you." If you disagree that this isn't the best outlook, then it's time to stop voting for Democrats and Republicans, instead of continuing to let them set public policy.

      You don't want to have to vote against Ds&Rs, do you? Better to let nutty people risk their lives for whatever our president thinks is to his advantage, since about a quarter of the time, it should be to Our advantage too.

    6. Re:Easy policy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's somewhat important that soldiers have comparable lives and capabilities that we have. Their alienation will result in all sorts atrocities. Letting soldiers feel and sense how we at home are, is an important aspect of forming and shaping their morality.

      Surely we can allow them to have similar connected capabilities while still being secure in their (general) coms?

      If not, then we made stupid technology indeed.

    7. Re:Easy policy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First, what you stated doesn't seem to follow from the parent post. I'm not sure where talk of a draft came from.

      Second, the "disadvantaged" don't get into the military. At least not the US military of today. Roughly 1/3rd of the population are not intelligent enough to pass the entrance exams. Roughly 1/3rd of the population is too fat to join. Roughly 1/3rd have committed some crime in the past that would make them ineligible to join (with past drug use the highest of these). That does not mean that 100% of the population is ineligible to join the military because there is some overlap on these statistics. Some estimates put this somewhere between 50% and 75% of the population being ineligible to enlist for physical, educational, or criminal reasons.

      To enlist in the US armed forces one must have an IQ score above 105 and graduated high school (and these two are highly correlated). One must have a body mass index below 25 (and above some minimum but this does not tend to be a problem). Petty crimes can delay entry, such as a DUI or drunk and disorderly, and serious crimes will make one permanently ineligible. Sometimes the recruiters will turn a blind eye to things like drug possession but this is pretty rare. Then there are things like allergies, sickle trait (common among those of African ancestry), diabetes, flat feet, curvature of the spine, and other seemingly minor medical conditions outside the military will make someone ineligible. Don't think that silence on such a medical history will let you get in, they test for many of these conditions.

    8. Re:Easy policy by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      A high wage for a contractor won't cover not having their comforts. The people with the skills needed for missions just expect to keep their digital lifestyle with them in the US mil at any location.
      They want their digital files, images, music, internet, digital fitness data. If the contractor is stopped from having that lifestyle they have hours to ponder the mission and their role. Instead of just enjoying digital entertainment, looking over their fitness data that person with skills then has free time to find a human friend to talk with.
      All around every US mil base a lot of very friendly people are waiting to listen, chat, talk, befriend and get to know anyone who wants/needs to talk.
      A lot of anthropology and human studies went into why people start sharing secrets and talking to strangers when they have jobs that should not be talked about.
      Wages and conditions have to be good and then humans are happy to keep secrets.
      The US and UK mil totally relaxed their digital device policy so their troops and contractors could enjoy good conditions and not be tempted to wonder around looking for random people to talk to about poor working conditions.
      Better to have the smart person with skills on base enjoying a digital movie than in a town talking with a new friend about all the bad rules and regulations and other topics.

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    9. Re:Easy policy by gurps_npc · · Score: 1

      Change to "No personal devices" but give them military issue for civilian use.

      Specifically, a cellphone with a location chip built by an american company,programmed by a company, to stop tracking GPS when you are on duty.

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    10. Re:Easy policy by darkwing_bmf · · Score: 1

      No personal devices, done.

      Nice try AC, but many of those fitbits were government issued, in a move to encourage more exercise.

      https://www.military.com/daily...

    11. Re:Easy policy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, the moderators at slashdot yet again prove their idiots by modding this drivel as insightful.

      To those who think this is a good idea, have you ever thought about moral? Yes, lets make sure our troops are as miserable as possible. Because people who are miserable never make poor decisions.

  7. Backfire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All that technology will eventually backfire. It's just a matter of time.

  8. Blame democrat party. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    I am American and know that policy was put in under Democrat Obama leader. This is all part of Uranium GPS plot to undermine Trump and hand control of country over to cultural marxists. To stop this, agree with me in donating to NRA and Trump 2020 campagnes now.

    1. Re:Blame democrat party. by somekind · · Score: 2

      You forgot: Claim of liberal media of the Russian hackers in many social media is spread of total lies.

    2. Re:Blame democrat party. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No collusion!

  9. Why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does this map show that the US military is patrolling from my neighbors house to my house and then conducting a physical assessment in my bedroom when I'm at work? My wife is home then so I'll ask her.

    1. Re:Why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well Donald... the White House is a busy place!

    2. Re:Why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd figure Jody would be cagey enough to not wear a fitbit.

  10. It's just metadata... by paulhar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Governments are keen to tell us that metadata doesn't need protecting etc.
    Cake and eat it?

    1. Re:It's just metadata... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Governments are keen to tell us that metadata doesn't need protecting etc.
      Cake and eat it?

      The government will want to protect the privacy of the metadata while providing easy access to the data by the government. ... but that won't be a back door, no sirree bob, since back doors are BAD. They don't want a back door - they just want a way to get at the data whenever they want.

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    2. Re:It's just metadata... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, this ought to turn up the next time there is a 4th amendment argument about Metadata.

    3. Re:It's just metadata... by KingMotley · · Score: 1

      Backdoors are bad for everyone. I recommend building a front door instead. Faster to get in and out too since you don't have to walk around the building.

  11. Re:AC Reviews Shorts After Hot Grits Are Dumped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because of all the onsite nuclear waste storage right

  12. Even if the data were kept "private" by Strava by QuietLagoon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...Strava -- which includes an option for keeping users' workout data private...

    The data are still on Strava's servers. Do those servers pass the military security requirements for protecting troop locations? What else does Strava do with the data?

    1. Re:Even if the data were kept "private" by Strava by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure as shit that Google's servers don't pass mil-spec for security, and they must have MILLIONS of histories of US military, French military, etc etc. that can now be revealed through Google Timeline.
      You should always think twice when accumulating data. Just like watching someone type their password, once you have the information, you ARE responsible for it, even if it was freely or openly provided.
      And you need to PURGE your databases too, and reverse flush your backups, otherwise all that "deleted" data is just waiting to be restored any time someone pushes the button.
      There are a lot of business models headed for the trash once GDPR gets more publicity...
      Fun and games ....

    2. Re:Even if the data were kept "private" by Strava by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Is it at all relevant? So far I have seen little uproar over the incident which as done little more than light up bases that no one was putting any effort into hiding in the first place.

  13. Funny, GPS was created by the Pentagon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All those orbiting satellites pumping out GPS signals? The Pentagon put 'em there.

  14. Don't send them the data!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    strava.com allows the user to mark every run/ride/swim/etc as public or private. You'd think that members of the military would be smart enough and tech savvy enough to mark their uploads as private; yet here we are. This isn't a technology problem, it's simple user error.

    Yes, it's user error, but .. WHAT. THE. FUCK. The diagnosis is so wrong that .. that .. I can't think of a stupid metaphor, and I'm usually pretty good at stupid metaphors.

    Uploading sensitive information to a completely untrusted third party and then remembering to "mark it private" is like [oh good, I've still "got it" as long as a simile will suffice] sending plaintext email and being surprised that someone intercepted the plaintext because they weren't supposed to do that, shame on those naughty spies.

    Strava owes jack shit to the military, and therefore, the military has no reason to trust Strava (either their intent, nor the security of their database even if Strava's intent is good.)

    The correct thing to do is not send the data to third parties. It doesn't matter how you mark it, because even if you mark it private, you have still disclosed the sensitive information.

    This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, anyway. The most common sense way for these devices to work is to transmit the data to the user's own computer. But so much of today's IoT is made to lock people in services for recurring revenue, that they're made to send data to company servers (a.k.a. "the cloud") instead. Users are supposed to Just Say No with their wallets but discouragingly, people are still buying this type of obvious garbage that they know is garbage before the sale.

    So yeah, I'd say user error. They shouldn't have bought the device, but they did. Then they allowed it to transmit their locations to third parties, which was a major major fuckup. Then ok, cherry on top, they didn't mark it private. But it was already a shocking display of stupidity long before that point.

    I really dislike this idea that the user is supposed to use some privacy setting to tell Strava "this is military data, so I humbly request that you please not share it with the enemy." So fucking wrong. Don't give the data to Strava in the first place.

    1. Re:Don't send them the data!! by sunderland56 · · Score: 1

      Uploading sensitive information to a completely untrusted third party and then remembering to "mark it private"

      Strava has a global preference setting to mark all future uploads as private by default. Set it once, all future activity is private. No need to remember each time.

    2. Re: Don't send them the data!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That still stores the data with an untrusted third party that could be hacked.

  15. Just wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... until they realize how much Alexa has recorded.

  16. Surveillance of the Fittest by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 1

    Oh and by the way -- don't Russians run?

    1. Re:Surveillance of the Fittest by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      Maybe they are smarter and don't bring their devices on deployment to missions requiring secret clearance.

    2. Re:Surveillance of the Fittest by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Russians know what happen the last time they let random Western consumer devices on their bases.
      Russian spies deep in the US/UK gov/mil saw much more new and different data was been gather about all kinds of sites all over Russia.
      No more consumer spies on base, in the sub.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  17. Re:AC Reviews Shorts After Hot Grits Are Dumped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No. It's because while many people may have heard fanciful stories about what might be there, no one can truthfully claim to have seen what's inside. Those that have seen inside have sworn to never speak of it.

  18. Strava or it didn't happen. by ByTor-2112 · · Score: 1

    n/t

  19. Easy fix by OppMan29 · · Score: 1

    Create a law were companies can not share data --- fixed

  20. Much of the data is wifi and cell tower, not GPS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GPS takes some powerful circuitry, and can take up to 15 minutes to first get a usable location. But the MAC addresses, and power, of local wifi access points, and id and location of local cell phone towers, is much more likely to be available on power up, and to be enabled as someone travels with a portable device of almost any kind. Even FitBits can cooperate with the "location gateway" some location services provide, and receive or publish their location to a central service. And they can't *get* that location without publishing their request to the upstream server, which makes them traceable unless the server goes through a great deal of revenue burning work to anonymize the data.

    Good luck turning that kind of service off. The Internet of Things genie has been out of the lamp granting wishes to intelligence agencies for *years*.

  21. you have to buy your afn satellite receiver to get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you have to buy your afn satellite receiver to get afn.

  22. Mind= blown. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And here I GENUINELY thought when soldiers were sent to "off the map" places they had to leave all that stuff at the main base in the US where they left from. I thought it was something like prison. It makes no logical sense to use a mobile device at these bases that are supposed to be hidden. If I check my phones location history it will tell me exactly where I was, how long I was there and what other places I might visit next time in the area once it gets a data connection. Hell even logging on to something like facebook or google will geo-track you.

    I thought they were only allowed to use the computers on base because they encrypted the internet data or something to prevent geo-tracking. It is the military, they are capable of at least that aren't they?

    My understanding was you sign up for a free ride with the military (paid school, salary, housing, etc.) in exchange for giving your dedication AKA you are going to an "open prison" its just run by the military because they aren't giving free handouts.

  23. GPS isn't the problem. by DeVilla · · Score: 1

    If I understand correctly, there's nothing wrong. It's IOT devices that send everything to a remote that isn't under the user's control.