Apple Still Aims To Allow iPad Apps To Run on Macs This Year (axios.com)

Only 5 years after Windows... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-31 05:27 · Score: -1

This revolutionary innovative feature is only 5 years after Microsoft pulled off the same trick with Windows, and 2 years after Google pulled off the same trick with Chrome.

Apple doesn't even have a touch friendly computer operating system... Kinda getting a bit ahead of themselves with talk of iPad apps on a Mac.

Re:Only 5 years after Windows... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-31 05:45 · Score: -1

Yeah, bunch of gay iFruit flamers!
Re:Only 5 years after Windows... by dbialac · 2018-01-31 05:56 · Score: 1

Well, you see, it's quite simple: Apple has completely run out of ideas.
Re:Only 5 years after Windows... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-31 06:35 · Score: 0

rofl windoze.
Anyway my question is can I buy ipad apps on my mac. And do I have to rebuy my phone games for ipad.
Re:Only 5 years after Windows... by TheFakeTimCook · 2018-01-31 07:00 · Score: 1

This revolutionary innovative feature is only 5 years after Microsoft pulled off the same trick with Windows, and 2 years after Google pulled off the same trick with Chrome.
Apple doesn't even have a touch friendly computer operating system... Kinda getting a bit ahead of themselves with talk of iPad apps on a Mac.
Hate to reply to an Anonymous COWARD; but it is not at ALL the same with iOS Apps running under macOS.
Although they have the same kernel (Darwin), iOS and macOS diverge quite a bit above that level. Windows tablets run Windows; so, duh. Don't know as much about Chrome; but thought it was designed from the ground-up to be the same across "Desktop" and "Mobile" incarnations; so again, duh.
But iOS was never originally intended to be a subset of macOS; so it is a lot less "duh" for Apple to pull that trick off.
Re:Only 5 years after Windows... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-31 07:28 · Score: 0

If apple poor vision for the future paints them into a corner whos fault is that?

My Mac already does this.... by Kenja · 2018-01-31 05:29 · Score: 2

There's an iOS device emulator included with XCode.

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Re:My Mac already does this.... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-31 05:37 · Score: 0

To be fair, that is running CocoaTouch compiled natively for x86_64. I would assume this would have an ARM emulator (until everyone had recompiled and shipped their iPad apps to contain an x86 target)
Re:My Mac already does this.... by Hal_Porter · 2018-01-31 05:55 · Score: 0

Intel did an ARM on x86 emulator called libhoudini for Atom based Android phones, And Intel treat Apple like a spoiled favourite child, so I'm sure Intel would be willing to share code.
https://commonsware.com/blog/2...
Libhoudini run 32 bit ARM code on x86 of course, not 64 bit ARM code on x64.

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Re:My Mac already does this.... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-31 06:14 · Score: 0

Buuut the last I knew, you could only run the apps you are developing? There was a time you could run any as long as you have the ipa file, but that was removed.
Re:My Mac already does this.... by XxtraLarGe · 2018-01-31 07:22 · Score: 1

There's an iOS device emulator included with XCode.
I'm curious though how well they will translate though? Last time I used the emulator (haven't done iOS development in a while), and while you could do quite a bit of testing, there was a lot you can't do. How do you handle some unique inputs such as screen tilt or multi-touch gestures? I imagine that they'd want them to run full screen too, which you can't do with the emulator either last time I checked.

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Re:My Mac already does this.... by dgatwood · 2018-01-31 07:24 · Score: 2
To be fair, that is running CocoaTouch compiled natively for x86_64. I would assume this would have an ARM emulator (until everyone had recompiled and shipped their iPad apps to contain an x86 target)
Well, they could do that, but why would Apple spend months of effort building a sufficiently fast emulator, just so users can run ancient iOS apps that nobody cares enough about to maintain? If they cared about keeping old apps running without recompiling, we would still be able to run 32-bit iOS apps on iOS itself. Besides, they've already culled most of those old apps, which means that almost everything that you can download from the iOS App Store today is properly maintained.
No, if they do this, I would imagine it will consist of:
- Tweaking Xcode so that universal builds include a simulator slice.
- Removing all device-only restrictions that prevent using certain features in the simulator (and adding macOS support for the features, where necessary).
- Adding code to the Mac App Store to make it talk to the iOS App Store, showing only apps that have a simulator slice.
- Modifying the iOS App Store to not reject binaries that contain a simulator slice.
- Modifying the simulator and underlying iOS bits so that you can have multiple apps running in multiple windows, sharing underlying storage, ideally with each app having its own menu bar and showing up independently in Command-Tab/Dock/*.
- Optionally adding menu bar classes to iOS so that iOS apps can modify their menu bar when running on Macs, and optionally making that available on actual iOS devices as well.
- Telling developers to rebuild and resubmit their apps.
And the problem of not having x86_64 simulator slices will take care of itself within three months without having to develop an arm64 emulator. The only way I could see Apple building any sort of emulator would be if they decided to do the reverse—allowing Mac apps to run on iPad Pro.
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Re:My Mac already does this.... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-31 08:43 · Score: 0

Actually there is an iOS Simulator. It runs the specs of the machine not emulating and iOS device. This is an important distinction for developers, but to your point you have always theoretically been able to run apps.
Re:My Mac already does this.... by ChunderDownunder · 2018-01-31 09:55 · Score: 1

Now you see the reason for the Touch Bar. There's an ARM chip built into the keyboard.
No emulating anything.
Re:My Mac already does this.... by xfade551 · 2018-01-31 10:03 · Score: 1

The touchpad on the MacBook line is multi-touch capable, as is the BlueTooth touchpad that comes with the iMac line. I'm not sure if the MacPro line comes with the BlueTooth touchpad.

finder / non store apps / root to be removed next by Joe_Dragon · 2018-01-31 05:37 · Score: -1, Troll

finder / non store apps / root to be removed next and in 2019 LTE in each mac

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Re:finder / non store apps / root to be removed ne by tepples · 2018-01-31 05:40 · Score: 1

Without those, on what device would people be expected to run Xcode?

Touchscreen laptops by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-31 05:43 · Score: 0

Next up: Apple invents "brave" new technology: touch-screen laptops!! Also probably some proprietary/dmca/lock-in touch support for desktops, too.

Re:Touchscreen laptops by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-31 07:41 · Score: 0

Hell No.. What money is in that? Everybody has fingers to use for free. apple devices will require a special apple stylus for only 99$ each; or a dongle of some sort.

I would bet not an ARM emulator by jtara · 2018-01-31 05:45 · Score: 4, Insightful

I would bet it will not be an ARM emulator.

Apple already has iOS ported to X86 and has forever. It's used by developers when testing on the iOS simulator running on MacOS. The simulator doesn't run ARM code. It runs X86 code.

Apple would likely give developers the option of including X86 platform support in their build. Developers could OPT IN to releasing on macOS. You already build for two different ARM platforms.

There is nothing revolutionary here. Just a new build option and some new App Store/ITunesConnect functionality.

I'm a cross-platform developer. I write apps that run on iOS and Android. On Android, it uses the NDK (native development kit) and I build for both ARM and X86. (Because some Android tablets are X86). What Apple is proposing is likely not much different.

Apple wouldn't likely provide an ARM emulator, because the performance would suck.

Every time Apple comes out with a new XCode version, they say "jump", and developers respond with "how high?". Or... not agaaaaainnnnn!

Re:I would bet not an ARM emulator by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-31 06:35 · Score: 0

I would bet they're going to throw an ARM chip into upcoming laptops.
Re:I would bet not an ARM emulator by stabiesoft · 2018-01-31 07:25 · Score: 1

Question if you know... I had built some apps that used libs in the AndroWish app. I would install both the AndroWish app (which had the ndk libs in it) and my app which was stripped down TclTk + a little secret sauce to load the AndroWish stuff. This worked on my old Android Version 4 nexus 4 phone. I got a new phone which runs Oreo and while the AndroWish app worked, the apps which used AndroWish libs did not. In the end I rebuilt the AndroWish app myself, and bolted on the Tcl/Tk from my apps so that it was just one giant app.
After all that background, my question is did a version after 4 of android stop allowing one app to use another app's libraries? That is my theory and makes sense as it was probably a security hole.
Re:I would bet not an ARM emulator by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-31 08:23 · Score: 0

Given one can utilize ARM specific intrinsics, inline assembly, etc. an ARM simulator would be the only transparent option without an X86 iOS submission requirement. One can not simply recompile around those cases without additional development work. Admittedly those cases are not common but those were used extensively on several games I've worked on for animation, physics simulation, and geometry deformation.
Re:I would bet not an ARM emulator by ChunderDownunder · 2018-01-31 10:02 · Score: 1

They already did - the Touch Bar.
(Like I said in another comment,,,)
Re:I would bet not an ARM emulator by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-31 11:49 · Score: 0

Isn't this the whole point of Apple's Bitcode from 2015? It's an intermediate form that can be recompiled on Apple's end for new architectures. As long as developers have submitted their apps with Bitcode, shouldn't Apple be able to provide x86_64 binaries directly from that, with no developer intervention at all?

Why not buy a JEWgleFone? by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-31 05:47 · Score: -1