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Insect Die-off: Even Common Species Are Becoming Rare (sciencedaily.com)

Scientists at Senckenberg Nature Research Society and Technical University of Munich (TUM) have been able to show that currently widespread insects are threatened with a serious decline in species diversity in the near future. From the report: The research team lists the fragmentation of habitats and the intensification of agriculture as reasons for the decline of these "generalists." According to the study, published today in the scientific journal Biological Conservation, the genetic diversity among the examined butterfly species is also expected to decline sharply in the future -- as a result, the insects will become more sensitive to environmental changes.

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  1. Sad news on a beautiful spring day... by Kenja · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... what do you mean it's winter?

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    1. Re:Sad news on a beautiful spring day... by Larryish · · Score: 0

      I'm all up in your base, eating all your bugs.

      Leroyyyyy Jenkiiiiinnnssss!

    2. Re:Sad news on a beautiful spring day... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The study uses data from several years, not the last two months. There is nothing insightful about this comment.

    3. Re:Sad news on a beautiful spring day... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      except that winter has been eliminated in our current climate, which may have a big impact on insects... of wait, it IS insightful, hmmm

    4. Re: Sad news on a beautiful spring day... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Itâ(TM)s probably because the bugs are getting ready for the mass die off when the magnetic polarity of our planet flips.
      And global warming, I mean change - no wait âoeclimate changeâ yeah, thatâ(TM)s it

    5. Re:Sad news on a beautiful spring day... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't know where you are mate, but the U.S. is experiencing a really bad winter on the East Coast. Record breaking cold and so many snow days the local school systems are canceling holidays and teacher planning days to make up.

  2. Sad it's happening to butterflies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's sad that it's happening to butterflies. However, I wouldn't be disappointed at all if it happened to the species of mosquitoes that bite humans. Too bad it seems to be happening to the wrong species.

    1. Re:Sad it's happening to butterflies by Z00L00K · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have a feeling that one factor is that contributes is the lack of small farms with mixed livestock grazing the land and dropping fresh manure at random.

      A number of butterflies are also thriving on plants that we consider weed (not the type you smoke) like nettles. And nettles thrive where the soil is highly fertilized - preferably by natural manure.

      But today cattle are often on large farms where the manure handling is strictly regulated.

      Overall the problem is that farming is getting highly specialized instead of diversified and that causes a monoculture of plant life with very little other vegetation permitted since it will contaminate the crop.

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    2. Re:Sad it's happening to butterflies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It could just be the Russians.

    3. Re:Sad it's happening to butterflies by hey! · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No danger there. The mosquito species that commonly bite humans are the ones that are adapted to living in proximity of humans. What is habitat destruction for other species is habitat creation for them.

      For example Culex pipiens is so well adapted to coexiting with humans its common name is "house mosquito". Clearly it didn't evolve to live around humans. In its natural habitat it laid its eggs in mucky forest puddles and fed on birds. Wipe out the forest and replace it with a suburban subdivision and you actually increase its egg laying habitat: ditches, poorly draining gutters, catch basins and so on. Populations have developed a taste for human blood too -- evolution in action -- and because it still bites birds is a perfect vector for many viral disease that cross from avian to human populations.

      Something like this always happens when there is widespread habitat disruption: most species populations are harmed but a small number of them hit the jackpot: what biologists call "weedy species". Mice, voles and pikas are all very similar small woodland creatures, but its ability to adapt to human activities transforms the mouse in some situation into a nightmarish plague.

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    4. Re:Sad it's happening to butterflies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The insects associated with agricultural ecosystems are a very small fraction of all insect species. Not all insects eat manure or depend on large animals at all. Plants, living off of sunlight, are the first tier of life, and insects are the second tier, eating the plant byproducts and mold and other insects. We don't really understand the full tapestry of interactions that involve bugs in a natural environment. But at the same time, the only places where insects are really threatened are the places where the earth has been paved over and the swamps have been drained to make roads and parking lots.

    5. Re:Sad it's happening to butterflies by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      But today cattle are often on large farms where the manure handling is strictly regulated.

      But that logically raises the question of how it was before agriculture in the first place.

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    6. Re:Sad it's happening to butterflies by Opyros · · Score: 1

      Presumably, before the area was cultivated, it was a wilderness or semi-wilderness region with wild animals which the mosquitoes preyed on.

  3. Then what will real programmers use? by jfdavis668 · · Score: 4, Funny

    If there are no more butterflies, what will real programmers use? :https://xkcd.com/378/

    1. Re:Then what will real programmers use? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Neutrino rays, of course.

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    2. Re:Then what will real programmers use? by _archangel · · Score: 1

      If there are no more butterflies, what will real programmers use? :https://xkcd.com/378/

      Well, obviously, if you had RTFA: EMACS. ;-) Great reference by the way. xkcd is ever relevant.

  4. What can you do to help? by JoshuaZ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since part of this is caused by an increase in agriculture, a big one is to eat less meat. This doesn't mean be a complete vegetarian, but just eat less meat and more non-meat options. The acreage used for meat as a food is much much higher than the same for most vegetarian options https://www.nrcs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb1097070.pdf and this also helps shrink one's carbon footprint http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/food-carbon-footprint-diet. Given that many meat substitutes are cheap, this can pay off nicely. Moreover, in the US now there are many more genuinely tasty vegetarian options than there used to be both in terms of store-bought items and in terms of available high quality recipes. I remember when I was a little kid and we went to my vegetarian aunt's for Thanksgiving, and it was awful. The situation now is very different.

    1. Re:What can you do to help? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Is acreage used for meat all that detrimental to insects? I would have thought that growing food crops is worse, what with all the pesticides.

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    2. Re:What can you do to help? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, hell...
      there goes my plans for living off of insect proteins, maybe cannibalism is the best way forward

    3. Re:What can you do to help? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, you should eat more meat. Insecticide goes on corn, not cows.

      If you stop eating meat, that ranchland will be converted to plant-ag farmland, and will be bathed in herbicides, insecticides, and fungicides before you know it. Then there's that many more tons of poison crap in the soil, water, and air. No, it's far better to let the land lie fallow and let the cows roam free, mooing and shitting and eating grass.

    4. Re:What can you do to help? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Is acreage used for meat all that detrimental to insects? I would have thought that growing food crops is worse, what with all the pesticides.

      Exactly, we're not spraying cows with chemicals that kill bees and such.

    5. Re:What can you do to help? by blackest_k · · Score: 1

      Hardly likely to be less agriculture, maybe some surplus to export or more likely a little less import.

      farmers like to plant one crop in a field and not have anything else grow cover it in weed killer and bug spray. Cows sheep pigs don't really care too much whats growing in a field they eat it.

      Which fields will be more bio diverse?

    6. Re:What can you do to help? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given that many meat substitutes are cheap,

      But they are expensive to buy as a consumer compared to many meat products. The food companies are trying to skim the cream of the environmentally conscious consumers, who typically are more wealthy. Maybe things develop in 20 years, when those generic meat substitutes can be introduced to market without patent protection.

    7. Re:What can you do to help? by Anonymice · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The overwhelming majority of livestock are raised on said crops themselves.

    8. Re:What can you do to help? by Anonymice · · Score: 1

      You're spraying their food with it though...

    9. Re:What can you do to help? by klingens · · Score: 1

      All those animals which are slaughtered for meat need food crops too, just food crops for animals: corn, soy, etc. They are getting the exact same pesticides as "your" food.

    10. Re:What can you do to help? by FFOMelchior · · Score: 1

      > Actually, you should eat more meat. Insecticide goes on corn, not cows.

      Errr... what do you think (farm) cows eat?

    11. Re:What can you do to help? by klingens · · Score: 1

      Neither cows, sheep or pigs are raised on land valuable enough for agriculture. However they are raised on crops from those fields, crops that have been sprayed with the exact same pesticides and the exact same amount of pesticides as food destined for humans.

    12. Re:What can you do to help? by aliquis · · Score: 1

      If they eat (basically just one kind of) grass in the Brazil or soy beans and corn in the US then it of course is.

    13. Re:What can you do to help? by aliquis · · Score: 2

      "As a result, a large percentage of grains grown in the US are used in animal feed, with 47% of soy and 60% of corn produced in the US being consumed by livestock."
      http://www.sustainabletable.or...

      The corn and soy would feed humans more if consumed directly by humans rather than put into a cow first to then eat the cow.

    14. Re:What can you do to help? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Insecticide goes on corn, not cows.

      The corn, soy, or hay is then trucked to feed lots where its fed to the cows.

      > Then there's that many more tons of poison crap in the soil, water, and air.

      20 pounds of "that poisond crap" is eaten by the cows to become a pound of body weight, of which a fraction become finished cuts of meat.
      The pesticides/heavy metals, and so on concentrate in the cows tissue - therefore, when you eat a pound of meat, you're eating the equivalent of 20 pounds of the concentrate-able chemicals that were in its food.

       

    15. Re:What can you do to help? by crunchygranola · · Score: 1

      Although nearly all American cattle finish their growth in the feedlot, eating mostly grain that is not the whole story. The cows are slaughtered at about 10.5 months, after having spent 7 months eating forage (alfalfa, hay) and the 3.5 months eating high energy feeds based on grain.

      OTOH some of that forage is stuff like "wheat hay" which is a byproduct of growing grain (in this case wheat).

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    16. Re:What can you do to help? by Archtech · · Score: 1

      Actually quite wrong. (See the instructive but revolting book "Farmageddon", passim).

      What is wrong is the attempt to apply industrial methods to farming, This results in vast monocultures and the feeding of artificial mixtures and even artificial "foods" to livestock kept indoors so they never see the sun.

      There is no reason to reduce production of meat. On the contrary, livestock for meat should be raised on land that is suitable for grass but not crops. That way the animals live in natural conditions, eating their natural food, and fertilize the land naturally. Their meat is far healthier to eat, and dairy products and eggs are also safer and more nourishing. Deer and buffalo are of course natural grazers. Cows and sheep should be grazed outdoors whenever possible, and when forced indoors by cold weather should be fed hay and other natural food. Ruminants did not evolve to digest seeds any more than humans did. Pigs and chickens should be raised free range, foraging naturally as they have done through all of history until the last few years.

      Instead, what do we see? Cows and other animals forced indoors, kept in the dark or under artificial light with insufficient space and no chance of exercise. Instead of grass underfoot and the sun above, they have filthy mud mixed with their own urine and manure underfoot, and electric lights above. And what are they fed? Disgusting and entirely unnatural mixtures of soya beans and fish meal, fetched from the ends of the earth at vast cost in energy and carbon dioxide emissions.

      Then the immense quantities of manure and urine produced by thousands or tens of thousands of animals cooped up in sheds become dangerous hazards, and in some places are virtually impossible to dispose of safely.

      Instead of all this, put animals back where they belong. Let pigs and chickens forage in orchards. Grow as many different fruits, vegetables, fungi and crops as possible intermingled - and to hell with "optimizing yield per acre". Because if you go on doing that for long enough, you won't have any soil left.

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    17. Re:What can you do to help? by Archtech · · Score: 2

      They shouldn't be eating any "crops" except what they can graze. If you feed animals corn, soy, etc. they will become just as unhealthy as people who eat that kind of food.

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    18. Re:What can you do to help? by Archtech · · Score: 1

      Errr... what do you think (farm) cows eat?

      Grass. That's what they *should* eat.

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    19. Re:What can you do to help? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Corn and soy are far, far less healthy to eat than meat. They're fed to animals to fatten them up faster than normal. You don't want to eat food which will do the same thing to you.

      Pigs eat a lot of wasted human crops and discards. Eat more bacon and ham.

    20. Re:What can you do to help? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So cows are killing all the flies? Doubt it.

    21. Re:What can you do to help? by crunchygranola · · Score: 1

      For reference the feed conversion ratios (amount feed energy going, over the amount coming out) for common animals are 6 for cattle, 4 for pigs, 2 for egg production, and 1.6 for poultry broilers. Eating vegetarian is obviously 1 - although the animals raised for meat and eggs also eat waste products like wheat hay, and alfalfa, that humans cannot eat in addition to grains that compete with humans for food.

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    22. Re:What can you do to help? by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's what they should eat, but if you want them to get fat a lot quicker you'd better stuff them full of corn and antibiotics. There's always going to be some grass-fed livestock though, simply because there's a lot of land that's useless for anything but grazing, but if you're interested in maximizing production capacity and minimizing cost, then it's more economical to keep livestock in barns or pens and feed them more energy dense foods.

    23. Re:What can you do to help? by meglon · · Score: 2

      Having been raised on a farm... grass.

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    24. Re:What can you do to help? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Eat more bacon and ham.

      With decent bacon at around $8 a pound retail, I think I'll stick with loin chops and sausages.

    25. Re:What can you do to help? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No. I live in cow country. Grass stocks are not sprayed. You're ignorant.

    26. Re:What can you do to help? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please share your favourite vegetarian recipes. With enough of a variety of good vegetarian food on the menu I'm willing to try it again.

    27. Re:What can you do to help? by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Informative

      They shouldn't be eating any "crops" except what they can graze. If you feed animals corn, soy, etc. they will become just as unhealthy as people who eat that kind of food.

      Most corn harvested in the US goes to feed for animals, actually. Free range animals graze and are often "grass fed", but the vast majority of meat is at factory farms where the cows don't graze but are fed troughs of corn to fatten them up quickly and slaughter.

      The demand for meat is high enough that free range beef will not satisfy demand and would case prices to spike (not that beef is cheap these days - it's still hitting all time high prices)

    28. Re:What can you do to help? by pak9rabid · · Score: 2

      Although nearly all American cattle finish their growth in the feedlot, eating mostly grain that is not the whole story [beefrunner.com]. The cows are slaughtered at about 10.5 months, after having spent 7 months eating forage (alfalfa, hay) and the 3.5 months eating high energy feeds based on grain.

      After which, they "graduate" from Bovine University!

    29. Re:What can you do to help? by Flozzin · · Score: 1

      No. I live in cow country. Grass stocks are not sprayed. You're ignorant.

      Cattle eat other things than grass. Alfalfa, corn, soybeans, ect...

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    30. Re:What can you do to help? by hankwang · · Score: 1

      I think those FCR values are for dry weight of food divided by gross (wet, including bones and intestine) weight of the animal. It's a bit apples-oranges between different animals with different diets and different body composition. I don't think it has a meaning for vegetarians, unless you count the weight gain of the vegetarian human. Alternatively, the equivalent FCR would be greater than one since you'dd add water to dry grains until it's nutritional value is comparable to that of meat.

    31. Re:What can you do to help? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are nuances to his point.
      It's not a zero sum game...

      Overall, eating less meat, or none at all is better for the environment as a whole, including bugs.

      You need to remember that most cattle are fed in feed lots, not necessarily "grass fed, free range".
      What are those feed lot cattle fed?
      How much acreage and water does it take to grow what is fed to cattle?
      How much pesticides, etc are used on what is fed to cattle?

    32. Re: What can you do to help? by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      Food is not happiness

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    33. Re:What can you do to help? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cool.
      Go see how much grass fed beef is a pound compared to the "normal stuff" and get back to us.

    34. Re:What can you do to help? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They probably shouldn't though, grain fed meat is not healthy. Grass fed is the way to go. Grass fed uses vastly less resources to produce too. In Australia, most beef is grass fed, some is finished on grain, I mush prefer the grass-fed for flavour, health benefits and the very low water and resource footprint.

    35. Re:What can you do to help? by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      You do understand that a human goal is for people to die of old age and not in their youth at the abattoirs?

      Hey if it is good for the poor than it is good for the rich. One in, all in. I have no problem with compulsory vegetarianism via economic extortion but lets make the rich pay a price that impacts them as well.

      The idea that the rich can consume and waste resources like insane freaks and generate pollution at thousands of times of the average user has to stop. Want more vegetarianism, then make meat consumption illegal for everyone. If in the most psychopathic fashion imaginable you just want meat to be an exclusive for the rich along with thousand dollar bottles of shite wine to piss against the porcelain, than, eat the rich.

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    36. Re:What can you do to help? by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      No. I live in cow country. Grass stocks are not sprayed. You're ignorant.

      Cattle eat other things than grass. Alfalfa, corn, soybeans, ect...

      When they are factory farmed, cardboard and bits of other cows...

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    37. Re:What can you do to help? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A guy I work with grew up in Texas.

      He often says "vegetables are what food eats."

    38. Re: What can you do to help? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For every cow you dont eat Im going to eat two.

      Fuck your children and the planet's future. The boomers already decided the human race's epitaph: Fuck you, I got mine!

    39. Re:What can you do to help? by JoshuaZ · · Score: 1
      Sure, here are two that we really enjoy. (I'm copying them below and you'll probably notice a substantial difference in writing style- one is my write up and one is my wife's write up):

      Recipe 1: Cheese-Tomato Pasta (serves 2-4)

      8-10 ounces of pasta (I recommend rotini but other pastas will work well also). 2 ounces of mozzarella 2 medium tomatoes Granulated garlic Chopped dried onions Olive oil

      Instructions: While pasta water is boiling Chop tomatoes and mozzarella. The mozzarella should be chopped so that pieces are about 1-3 cubic centimeters. Mix tomatoes and mozzarella with garlic, onions and a dash of olive oul (the exact amount for each of these may depend on taste, I recomend small dashes of each. For most dried chopped onion containers, about 2-3 shakes seems to be a good amount. For garlic, a similar amount works. Olive oil is more important if one is planning on storing the pasta for later, or bringing to an event or the like since it will help prevent things from drying out. If not, about a half teaspoon of olive oil will do but again, individual taste may matter.

      By this time, water should probably be boiling, so put pasta in.

      When pasta is done, drain pasta as usual and put pasta into bowl with mixture, mix thoroughly, wait 5 minutes to serve.

      Note: If one wants more of the cheese to melt, one easy trick is to mix the mixture in a metal bowl, then refill the pot that had the pasta with a small amount of water (maybe .5 inches) which you bring to a soft boil (or use another pot if you don't mind doing an extra dish, although this actually helps slightly getting the pasta gunk off the pot). Then cover the the bowl with the pasta mixture with aluminum foil, and then place on top of the boiling pot. Then wait about 5-10 minutes, and the cheese should be nicely melted.

      One option if you want a spicier version is to add zatar, but this isn't always easy to come by, and it seems like what people call zatar varies a bit. I recommend the Pereg brand zatar which is tasty, can be ordered online, and can be added to lots of different things with good results.

      Recipe 2: Spinach Curry:

      Here's our curry recipe. I make it in a cast iron pan on medium-low so everything gets a chance to simmer and blend.

      Once pan is warmed up.

      1. Chunk of butter, like a 1" x 1" x 2" piece. When half melted, add cumin. Integrate well into melted butter. You can also use your favorite vegetable oil.

      2. Add one onion, chopped into small pieces and saute until golden/translucent (depending on the onion).

      3. Add several cloves of garlic, minced.

      4. Add a can of diced tomatoes. We have used both plain and the kind that comes with basil, onion and garlic added. Both are tasty. When the tomatoes start looking cooked/creamy, add tumeric.

      5. Add thawed spinach[1] and minced ginger. Cook through.

      6. Add garam masala (either the mix or dashes of cardamom, cloves, cinnamon, nutmeg, pepper, coriander- go ahead, dump half of your spice cabinet in there. Experiment.). Stir in.

      7. Cook for about 10 more minutes. When it smells really good, it's time to eat!

      [1]The smoother the spinach, the better. You can accomplish this by taking the bag, while still frozen, and throwing it on the table/whacking it with a blunt object. Since the leaves are frozen, they break, rather than squish so you get lots of tiny pieces. Let it thaw and voila, chopped spinach without a food processor!

    40. Re:What can you do to help? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meat is NOT the only problem. Monoculture crops planted across huge tracts of land that have decimated the ecosystem. Everyone that eats from the basket of industrial agricultural is contributing to the problem.

      You will never get me to stop eating meat. I would rather see you starve.

    41. Re:What can you do to help? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very nice - thank you so much! I've saved a copy and will take these recipes for a spin!

    42. Re:What can you do to help? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pasta is significantly more fattening and unhealthy than most meats.

      numbnuts

  5. Let's cut more trees! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cut the trees down to make more space for these animals and then impose some CO2 tax. That'll work!

  6. Republicans and Monsanto by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    The top two organizational threats to life on the only planet known to inhabit it : Republicans and Monsanto. Does anyone else come close?

    1. Re:Republicans and Monsanto by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      Pat Robertson.

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      Obsess much you fucking sperg?

      numbnuts

  7. Thank $deity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been smashing bugs my whole life.
    Glad to see it's finally having an effect.

  8. Your comment is going to do nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody is listening. Nobody cares.

    1. Re:Your comment is going to do nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn... you are one tough mutha. I'll remember not to mess with you!!

  9. A study ? Made by scientists ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But aren't all scientists untrusworthy bastards part of a global conspiracy of evil to suck always more grant money from not-at-all-evil governements ?

    If you don't trust scientists when they tell you that global warming is caused by human activity, or that diversity of life on earth is the product of evolution through natural selection, or that the universe is 15 billion years old and not six thousand, or that vaccines don't cause autism, or that neonicotinoids are the root cause of bee population decline, then why would you trust them when they tell you that even common insect species are becoming rare ?

  10. False. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More bullshit from the LIEberal left. Just today I saw half a dozen bugs.

  11. Where do they live? by amiga3D · · Score: 3, Funny

    Not in Middle Georgia at least. I'm inundated by bugs of all types. My car is covered in them from driving at night, they fly all around my yard, they eat the fruit on my trees, my vegetables. They need to come here and collect all they want, free of charge. For a fee I'll box a swarm up and ship it to them.

    1. Re:Where do they live? by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      The bugs may be why homeless tend to move to California. There was a political debate about why there are so many homeless in CA. The typical conservative answer is that CA is "too socialistic". But other left-leaning states don't have as many homeless.

      Some argued that if it were mostly the weather, then many homeless would cluster around the South East also, such as Georgia and Florida. But that place has a big down-side for homeless: bugs galore. If you don't have health-insurance, that's a big worry, in additional to the sheer discomfort of being Bugs' Lunch.

    2. Re:Where do they live? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      San Francisco's weather is far milder all year round than much of Georgia. Cooler summers and warmer winters (avg low in SF in coldest winter month is low 40s, avg low in ATL in coldest winter month is low 30s, and variation is larger making sub-freezing temps common).

    3. Re:Where do they live? by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      If I was homeless I'd want to live in Hawaii. I spent 4 months there on a job once and I hated to leave. The weather was perfect.

    4. Re:Where do they live? by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

      Reasons homeless move to and stay in California:

      1. Nice climate, it's a sunny 78F outside right now. The odds of getting frostbite outside or freezing to death year round are almost zero in most of coastal California.
      2. Great benefits, free clinics, all manner of social welfare freebies given out by the state on top of federal aid.
      3. Legal pot
      4. The beaches
      5. Mild weather year round. No hurricanes, tornadoes etc. Earthquakes are essential not a threat at all if you are standing/living outside.
      6. Generous people that make cardboard sign begging lucrative. There was a report a few years back where journalists were surveying and following street corner pan handlers and they were making $200 plus a day on the busy street corners.
      .
      .
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      15. Fewer bugs

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    5. Re:Where do they live? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The weather is really nice bug, on the topic of the post you replied to, Hawaii has bugs and some of them are quite big. I saw some of the biggest roaches I've ever seen there and I live in Texas where there are large roaches. :(

    6. Re:Where do they live? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      If you are homeless, it's probably hard to buy a plane or boat ticket to HI. Being on the continent, you can also more easily move to different states as jobs become available. More options.

    7. Re:Where do they live? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The southeast US is humid and miserable. You need a lot of A/C to be comfortable there, not such an issue on the west coast

  12. No more bugs? Oh well by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    I guess dinner is gonna be a little late.

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  13. population growth parity and sustainability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The fact is the USA produces far more food as it is than it needs to feed its own population. Almost all increases in agicultural intensity are to feed unsustainable population growth in third world countries which already cannot feed themselves yet have fertility rates 5 or 6. The only way out of this mess is that continued importation of food to these countries has to be contingent on them adopting family planning measures including widespread use of contraception and birth control pills to reduce population growth in third world countries, a one or two child policy in them. First world countries and third world countries should have a fertility rate parity. Birth rates in first world countries are ironically actually too low and to increase them each family would need to have 3 to 4 children (considering some people dont have children). First would country birth rates (where birth rates are actually too low) should be brought up to 2.3 with incentives, tax policy, larger families, etc, and third world down to 2.3. This will create balance rather than the imbalances we have now, it would raise living standards in third world countries by keeping them from going deeper into the malthusian trap and would also protect first world countries from being overrun and losing their distinct identities. People should watch the NumbersUSA gumball video for information on why we have to stop all immigration and why need to help third world populations where they are now and first is they have to stop their runaway population growth or we can never get ahead of helping third world countries out of poverty.

    The naked corruption of the Left in the USA who claimed to be so concerned about the environment can also be seen where they claim to be for the environment but then they want to import third world populations that will cause more destruction of the natural environment in the US and place more load on our already finite resources.

    1. Re: population growth parity and sustainability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You my population-concerned friend have a voting conundrum:
      Vote republican- who limit immigration BUT stop all international family planning aid And often threaten US family planning
      Vote democrat - who do the exact opposite

    2. Re:population growth parity and sustainability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow! Thanks fo rclearing that up!

      I was seriously misinformed up until now.

      "The naked corruption of the Left in the USA who claimed to be so concerned about the environment can also be seen where they claim to be for the environment but then they want to import third world populations that will cause more destruction of the natural environment in the US and place more load on our already finite resources."

      Quality comedy, cheers!

  14. Do the evolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > as a result, the insects will become more sensitive to environmental changes.
    And they will evolve to survive. Or not.
    https://youtu.be/aDaOgu2CQtI?t=2m15s
    Can't stop evolution baby.

    1. Re:Do the evolution by aliquis · · Score: 1

      That doesn't mean that everything living now is useless and that the world will be a better place once it's all gone. .. also eventually humans may be one of those gone things too. Some insects will likely out-survive us.

    2. Re:Do the evolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >That doesn't mean that everything living now is useless and that the world will be a better place once it's all gone

      "Better" is a subjective evaluation. So called "super-bacteria" that has evolved to become extremely resistant or even immune to antibiotics is "better" in terms of its own survival, but not the hosts (us) that it infects.

      However, a more powerful bacteria might keep an environment wrecking species population in check.

      Would the world be a better place if the dominant species population were reduced to have less impact on other species and the environment?

      >also eventually humans may be one of those gone things too.
      That's usually what happens when a species becomes too successful and dominant in its environment.

    3. Re:Do the evolution by aliquis · · Score: 2

      It definitely is.

      That doesn't change the fact that I think a world which get to keep all the amazing animals and plants it have had is much more interesting than one with much less variation of them.

      I'd much rather than 20 different types of cat animals than 1.

      I'd much rather than 5000 different butterflies than 2.

      Maybe the later would be the case of man induced changes and evolution but that doesn't mean I think it's better. Also I think the diversity pool is a strength for evolution by itself.
      The more difference the better the change of being able to handle some other change.

      We shouldn't destroy it on purpose / by ignorance just because "well it is what it is." Because the situation is better now than what it would be afterwards. Both in genetic and just "look at the pretty" diversity.

  15. Fireflies by Nidi62 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've noticed that during the summers growing up even just 2 decades ago fireflies were all over the place. Now they are a rare sight. Sadly though, whatever has done in the fireflies hasn't done much to the mosquitoes around here.

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    1. Re:Fireflies by freak0fnature · · Score: 1

      Do you still stay up as late in the summer as you did 20 years ago? I only see them when I have to piss in the middle of the night and look out the window.

    2. Re:Fireflies by Tempest_2084 · · Score: 1

      There are tons of fireflies here in SE Michigan. They're more plentiful in wetter years, but there are always some in the beginning and middle of summer. They seem to like the damp so if you're in a drier area or an area that has had some drought that might explain things.

    3. Re:Fireflies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neonicotinoid pesticides probably. They've been linked to the decimation of bee populations and other species. Pesticides are much more likely than climate change to be the reason for insect decline. Chemical companies just love it when they can deflect the harm their products cause the environment to some nebulous cause like climate change.

    4. Re: Fireflies by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      There is no such thing as "dry" in a Georgia summer

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    5. Re:Fireflies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    6. Re:Fireflies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Or yeah.http://science.sciencemag.org/content/356/6345/1393
      Country-specific effects of neonicotinoid pesticides on honey bees and wild bees
      Science 30 Jun 2017:
      Vol. 356, Issue 6345, pp. 1393-1395
      DOI: 10.1126/science.aaa1190

      Damage confirmed
      Early studies of the impacts of neonicotinoid insecticides on insect pollinators indicated considerable harm. However, lingering criticism was that the studies did not represent field-realistic levels of the chemicals or prevailing environmental conditions. Two studies, conducted on different crops and on two continents, now substantiate that neonicotinoids diminish bee health (see the Perspective by Kerr). Tsvetkov et al. find that bees near corn crops are exposed to neonicotinoids for 3 to 4 months via nontarget pollen, resulting in decreased survival and immune responses, especially when coexposed to a commonly used agrochemical fungicide. Woodcock et al., in a multicounty experiment on rapeseed in Europe, find that neonicotinoid exposure from several nontarget sources reduces overwintering success and colony reproduction in both honeybees and wild bees. These field results confirm that neonicotinoids negatively affect pollinator health under realistic agricultural conditions.

    7. Re:Fireflies by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Something weird happened with them... they seemed to really be a lot less of them but this past year they seemed to rebound.

    8. Re:Fireflies by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      Which is exactly contrary to my experience. Perhaps it is WHERE you live now vs where you grew up.
      When I was growing up fireflies were common in the summer, but not in swarms. When we captured fireflies it was one at a time as we moved around the yard. Then I moved into less rural areas and did not notice them much. A couple years ago I visited a friend of mine who lived on a property similar to the one I grew up on. There were so many fireflies that I could have filled up a jar without moving much at all.

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    9. Re:Fireflies by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      I grew up about 20 minutes from where I live now, and I actually live in a more rural area now than when I grew up. But I've noticed the same trend at my grandparent's house in another state, and they have lived in the same house for 25 years and the overall area has stayed the same in terms of development level.

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  16. More insects in tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We need to create safe spaces for the insects and empower them to enter the stem fields.
    A diverse workforce must include insects of all types. Well, maybe not Aphids or other white bugs.
    Black bugs matter!

  17. You got the wrong insects! by froggyjojodaddy · · Score: 1

    Mosquitoes. They're real common and I doubt many would shed a tear if they were to die off.

    1. Re:You got the wrong insects! by riverat1 · · Score: 1

      But what would all the trout eat if you killed off the skeeters? I love me some tasty pan fried brook trout.

    2. Re:You got the wrong insects! by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      You only really need to drive the ones that bite humans extinct, many of which are technically invasive species for much of the world.

  18. hoorray! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Finally some good news!.

  19. Not just increase, intensification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Current farming methods differ from traditional methods. Traditionally, there was a swath of wild growing weeds on roadsides next to fields. Now, these swaths are gone. There is maybe a bit of mown grass or likely nothing at all. This removes direct insect corridors from one oasis of natural area to another. So if insects crash in one oasis, there is no longer a ready pressure of new insects to repopulate. Because there are population fluctuations, these crashes in small areas will occur. This leads to a downward stairway of insect populations decreasing one step at a time. See entomologist Doug Tallamy on internet videos to find a description of this and other factors that are leading to population loss in insects and wildlife that depends on insects.

  20. Junk Science by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 0

    It is amazing to me the level of speculative trash that passes as "science" these days. The article is full of such speculation and rank fantasy... Species are always in flux depending on a myriad of conditions, to say otherwise is irrational and betrays a basic lack of historical knowledge.

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    1. Re:Junk Science by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Out of interest is it your left coast thinking that leads to such mind blowing arrogance?

      It appears that any field outside of your expertise su summarized entirely by the couple of random facts you happen ot know about it. Are you a physicist by any chance?

      https://xkcd.com/793/

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    2. Re:Junk Science by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

      When a "scientist" starts using words like "expected to" red alarms should go off in the logic centers of your brain. If they used the phrase "projected to" and their paper backs it up with actual population projections based on historical hard data, then they are probably actual scientists (or they have met someone like me who called BS on their environmental sensationalism/alarmist attempts to generate research funding...)

      It is high time that the public in general realize that nearly all of the college professors who do research are smart enough to realize that the federal funding dollars goes to issues of public concern. This is how we have the AGW mess. The climate researchers figured out how to turn their tiny departments whom no one gave a shit about into massive funding powerhouses by creating the false narrative of AGW, and later CO2 greenhouse warming. At this point AGW has taken on a life of it's own, replete with ignorant politicians and aggressive zealots alike, and I bet when they lie in bed at night many of those original researchers wish they had not been a part of starting that big shitshow.

      That is essentially what this article is. It is attempting to create public concern for something that the public is perceived to like (butterflies) and making dire predictions (they are going to die out). The next stage will be to try to get a $20M grant to "further research the issue" just watch. This is nothing more than an attempt to generate research dollars for the entomology departments.

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    3. Re:Junk Science by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      When a "scientist" starts using words like "expected to" red alarms should go off in the logic centers of your brain.

      Shitting yourself over colloquial use of english (expected to [according to the predictions]) in a summary when that doesn't appear in the actual research paper isn't "logical" it's trying to use mindless pedantry as a substitute for actual skills.

      Thanks for playig though.

      It is high time that the public in general realize that nearly all of the college professors who do research are smart enough to realize that the federal funding dollars goes to issues of public concern.

      Well, this proves that you don't know anything about (a) college professors and (b) science funding.

      College professors work on areas that interest them. No one in their right mind would work as a professor on a subject they're not interested in since you could get a much easier ride in industry doing that. Tenure track is a very hard road indeed.

      Secondly, your "fact" is made up.

      This is how we have the AGW mess.

      There is no AGM mess in science. The only mess is in politics and moronic denialists with zero qualifications who thing being mindlesly contrarian somehow makes them "logical".

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    4. Re:Junk Science by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

      I love your post. Zero facts, zero logic, but somehow I'm the "moronic denier". Since you clearly failed debate (or never had to take it), here's a tip: when a side reverts to name calling and logical fallacies (Ad hominem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... and appeal to majority https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...), that in it'self is a flat out lie ( https://www.skepticalscience.c... ) they typically have a very weak position.

      And no, the AGW scientists have been caught a number of times falsely manipulating the numbers (FACT)
      https://science.house.gov/news...
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sci...
      http://www.foxnews.com/science...

      The AGW "scientists" mathematical models have been wildly inaccurate: http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp... (how you can look at that graph and not doubt the quality of their predictions is beyond me) but still you want to treat them like a hard science... Good luck with that.

      I have facts and evidence, you have blind faith in "scientists" who are out to make a buck vis a vi federal grant money. Get back to me when you have more facts and less name calling...

      As you said, thanks for playing.

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  21. The end of the world will not be accompanied by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    by a bang, but by the sound of people posting idiotic comments on facebook. Let's all continue to laugh and post shit on the road to extinction.

  22. Come to Brasil and meet Aedes aegypti by jtoj · · Score: 1

    Meanwhile in Brazil, Aedes aegypti reproduces exponentially,
    spreading Dengue (hemorragic fever), Yellow Fever (Killing 9 out of 10 infected) and Zika Virus (Inducing Birth Defect).
    Only the fittest survives. The insects will outlive brazilians at least.

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  23. Carbon Dioxide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look up the influence of carbon dioxide on plant growth and (more importantly) the nutrient changes that occur in plants as carbon dioxide increases.

    As carbon dioxide levels increase insect herbivores need to eat more plant material to get the same energy.

    I'd guess that the insects are living on thin energy margins and increased carbon dioxide are shrinking those margins to a point where they may become unsustainable.

    Even someone with a "Great Brain" should be able to figure out how carbon contributes to the population decline and predict the result.

  24. The planet is dying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We are the cause, mankind. The planet is now on a irreversible death dive. There is nothing that can be done. So kiss your ass goodbye!
    Maybe what ever species that comes after us that can survive in the toxins we have left will have better luck.

    1. Re:The planet is dying by riverat1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The planet is not in a death dive. It may be that human civilization is and we may take a lot of species with us but after we're gone give the planet a couple million years of evolution and it will be just as alive as it was before humans arrived on the scene.

  25. Had a Good Run, Will Evolve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They had a good 300 million year run ... plus they'll evolve in 15 days so why worry?

  26. Cockroaches are fine by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    Cockroaches seems to adapt the new world. Mosquitoes and lice too.

  27. Debunked? by valentyn · · Score: 1

    As this links to a paid publication by Elsevier, I can't say anything about it. I can, however, link to another article, only months ago, and it's debunking (latter in Dutch, sorry) https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/oct/18/warning-of-ecological-armageddon-after-dramatic-plunge-in-insect-numbers and https://www.nemokennislink.nl/publicaties/ernstige-zwakheden-in-alarmerend-onderzoek-naar-vliegende-insecten/

    As said, I can't say anything about the Elsevier article and frankly, I don't think it serves a purpose to link to articles we can't read. Thinking of it, this would make a great business model: perform research with alarming outcome; get paywalled article linked on Slashdot... Profit!

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  28. News at eleven by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rare species are no longer common.

  29. One can not simply... by PortHaven · · Score: 2

    Spray insecticides and herbicides with abandon, and not simply turn the land into Mordor.

    It is not global warming, it is partly habitat destruction and mainly the fact that we dump a crap ton of toxins designed to kill these creatures into the environment EVERY DAY!!!

  30. Minnesota by david999 · · Score: 0

    Even Common Species Are Becoming Rare:
    Try saying this in Minnesota when a swarm of mosquitoes, flies, no see ems descend on you as you step outside in the summer evening.
    You will get a mouthful of mosquitoes, flies, no see ems.

  31. Chemtrails - Killing Insects, Birds, Everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Chemtrails, those thick plumes behind jets are not contrails, the only true part of contrails is the "con". Insects cannot breath with their spiracles are clogged with aluminum nano particulate. Meanwhile the UV radiation fro the sun is allowed through from the damaged ozone layer from decades chemtrail spraying.

    Chemtrails - Dane Wigington did not make this site for fun, and mark against it as psy-ops
    http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/

    That flu you caught, that is also from the chemtrails, and is the reason why it is so wide-spread:
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/684587/CHEMTRAIL-FLU-Doctor-s-shock-claim-planes-make-us-sick-so-medical-firms-can-cash-in