The IT persons frustration should be factored in. It's not just their time that was wasted, but the fact they were likely pulled off other tasks
I'm can't quite understand the folks who are defending the perp. I mean, this wasn't a political statement, it wasn't done for any higher purpose, it was done because the guy had zero respect for the people who own and maintain the equipment.
Honestly, prison seems excessive for most any property crime
Does it though? I mean, you willingly destroyed property that has some value to it. Someone else now has to dedicate time and effort to restore what was broken and there are a bunch of people who couldn't do their work because of some idiots actions. Sure, you could get the perpetrators to "right the wrong" by spending their own time and money restoring the original state but that doesn't make up for lost productivity and whatever other consequences there were - you know, intangible things.
I think prison is entirely appropriate here and for other property crimes. If someone decides to destroy/ruin/steal someone else's property, they should be put behind bars for a while so they understand there are consequences to stupid and negative actions.
They say they are investing all these billions of dollars with no cars to sell
What does it mean when a major company has invested billions of dollars, yet the only the thing they have to show for it is a shiny marketing blurb? Someone, somewhere is getting very rich off VW's smoke and mirrors campaign
But you can't even buy the Rivian and they don't have a firm release date. I'm getting tired of manufacturers claiming they're going to release some awesome new EV only to share flimsy details and no release date. It's all just vaporware.
and yet, they can't make them fast enough. The fact that every single Tesla model vehicle is sold out in advance and they have a significant backlog means there's lot of of people will to buy $60K+ EV's. And judging by the all the Audi, Porsche, BMW, Mercedes, Ferrari etc. etc. cars being sold every day, I'd say there's a lot of people willing to pay $60K+ for a car, regardless of brand.
Canadian here. Well, British born but lived in Canada for the past ~20 years. I can attest that the difference between Americans and Canadians is paper thin. Despite popular opinion, Canadians aren't "nicer" than Americans, I've met plenty of Americans who are polite, gracious, and well educated. And I've met plenty of Canadians who are not any of those.
The problem is with statements like "Canadians are ". A Canadian might be nice, but I can assure you, in a group of 100 random Canadians, you're gonna find a high percentage of people who are most definitely not nice. Now replace 'Canadian' with some other nationality and the same'll be held true.
Canadians love to look down on Americans and portray them all to be racists or uneducated, or gun-toting maniacs but we have our fair share up here
I'm vaccinated, as are my kids, but let me tell you, every year, I struggle getting it done. I hate needles, it goes way beyond a dislike and I do everything I can to avoid them. Getting vaccinated is a 60 minute affair while I alternate between hyper ventilating, tensing to the point where I induce a cramp, and trying desperately not to fall unconscious (I have a 70% failure rate). Afterwards, I don't want to do anything involving my arm - driving, eating, lifting things, even typing. The entire day is a write off.
Of course I realize it's irrational but it's only when I get needles in my forearm/elbow/wrist or hand area that I have a hard time. Poke me in the shoulder or glute to your hearts content, but if I can see it, I'm gonna struggle to make it easier for myself or the nurse.
I don't know how many people are like me - if they could deliver vaccines in pill form or even by injecting into a shoulder, I'd be there bright eyed and busy tailed the 1st morning. There are folks who don't vaccinate because of their religious or conspiracy theory beliefs but I'm willing to bet there's a LOT more who don't because they can't handle needles.
Incidentally, why can't they just inject you in the shoulder? I mean, a blood vessel is a blood vessel right?....
Maybe but Modi didn't say that so I'm gonna lean towards it's political posturing since he's fully aware that 95%+ of India's population ain't gonna question the accuracy of his statement.
A person might be concerned about privacy. You, me, most people here wouldn't fit in the other category, but people generally don't care about privacy. Even if they get stung, they'll care about it only until they get their replacement cards and a refund from their credit card company, then it's back to the same lax behaviors.
Case in point: People who are concerned about their privacy wouldn't tell 20 million anonymous people that they're going on vacation and, by extension, leaving their house generally unsecured for a long period of time. But it happens all the time.
It's easy to determine if a call was handsfree or not. First, you have device logs that will show whether or not the call was initiated through speech or was manually punched in. Secondly, you'll know if the handsfree connection was established via Bluetooth, or if it was routed through the speaker, or through a 3.5mm mic/earbud.
I have a hybrid (Ford Fusion Energy) with a 7.2kwh battery. My average journey to work is around 50km (one way) and I can get around 38-40km on battery power alone. Only twice have I ever made a one way trip on battery power alone.
If the Ford had, say, a 12khw battery (but same package size, not proportionally higher weight etc.), it would be perfect for me as I could quite easily get to work and back on battery power alone since I have the ability to charge at work.
My next car will be an all electric with at least a 80kwh battery which pretty much limits me to something from Tesla. However, it'd be great if someone could launch a 20kwh+ hybrid - I'd be all over that.
There are plenty of dangerous things that are outlawed or heavily restricted by government. It's not "punishing" anyone.
If you curtail the ability of someone to pursue something they're interested in, and that person is in no way harming anyone else, then of course you're punishing them. You're taking what is otherwise a lawful, legal right and taking it away because someone else did something.
Guns on the other hand don't have any other use aside from shooting a person
Back to this....More than 15 million guns in Canada and over 100 million rounds expended and not a single person shot. I think that would tell you that the vast majority of gun owners in Canada use their firearms for putting nice little holes in cardboard than people. It's not for you to decide whether or not that's a good use of their money or time. If 100 million of anything doesn't result in a "bad thing", only an irrational person would claim they can only be used for "bad things".
Look, I get it. You're anti-firearm. That's OK, it's entirely your prerogative but at least try to be objective when it comes to hard facts.
*Spelling corrections*
2. Person passes firearms test and gets a license. Person buys firearm. Firearm is stolen. Firearm is used in a crime. Firearms are not generally used to commit crimes (refer back to my statistics). Therefore firearms should not be banned but people using them for illegal purposes should be prosecuted.
My ENTIRE position has been that punishing legal, licensed firearm owners for the actions committed by illegal, unlicensed criminals is both unfair and ineffective as a policy. So you shouldn't really be surprised that my stats cover legal firearms owners..
You seem adamant to push your agenda so there's likely no rational explanation that would convince you to re-assess your position so I'll attempt to clarify one last time:
1. Person passes driving test and gets a license. Person buys car. Car is stolen. Car is used in a crime. Cars are not generally used to commit crimes (refer back to my statistics). Therefore cars should not be banned but people using them for illegal purposes should be prosecuted.
2. 1. Person passes firearms test and gets a license. Person buys fire. Firearm is stolen*. Firearm is used in a crime. Firearms are not generally used to commit crimes (refer back to my statistics). Therefore firearms should not be banned but people using them for illegal purposes should be prosecuted.
A gun's only purpose is to kill something and in most cases that something is people
Well, since the overwhelming majority of guns and bullets owned by Canadian civilians have not actually killed a person, it would seem that they are extremely poorly designed for that purpose, would you agree? I mean, there's 15 MILLION firearms in Canada with just over 2.2 million licensed firearm owners. That means each gun owner has around 7 guns on average.
The way you portray it, 15 million firearms in a country of only 37 million should mean an extraordinary number of deaths per yer. If a guns only purpose was to kill someone, 15 million guns should be killing MILLIONs of people in Canada.
Yet, since statistically the needle barely moves on the scale, one of the following is accurate:
1. You're scare mongering because it personally benefits you or the ideology you're pushing
2. You've made a terrible mistake because the facts don't support your theory
You're gonna argue there's a 3rd option. But I can assure you, there is not.
Guns have a single practical function and that is to kill something
Except, you know, for the fact that the overwhelming majority of legal, licensed civilian gun owners in Canada have never so much as harmed another person with a gun, despite having collectively shot more than 15 million rounds. That's 15 million projectiles that could have easily killed a person, yet didn't.
I'm 42 years old and have noticed a real short to mid-term memory problem for the past 2 years or so. I literally have a tough time remembering things from 3 weeks ago and struggle to recall specific events more than 6 months ago. I've taken to making copious amounts of notes at work that I can refer to later because I know I won't remember. No-one in my family has it so I'm assuming that means the likelihood of me getting it is reduced (but not zero).
Friends and family put it down to absent mindedness or just overall busyness and say other things occupy my mind and it'll get better but secretly, I don't believe that's the case. Right now, I'm trying to remember what I did at work last Monday and other than recalling things that happened during recurrent meetings, I can't remember. E.g. I know I had a one-time meeting between 10:30am and 11:30am and for the life of me, I can't remember the discussion but can remember the people. Times and dates are especially hard, my wife has come to provide frequent reminders of dates and activities because I just cannot remember them anymore. E.g. if we have a appointment this Saturday, by tomorrow I will have completely forgotten.
For the past 4 years, I've been sleeping maybe 3-4 hours a night. I track this formally via my FitBit but informally, I make a note when I get into bed and then whatever time I get up. Of course, I know I'm worrying about it which is likely contributing to my stress and therefore lack of sleep but nonetheless, I'm def. not sleeping as much. No TV, no phone, just lying in the dark trying to think of nothing. Which is hard... I often imagine myself flying through the nothingness of space just to stop me from thinking about a thousand other things and the darkness of space helps kinda blank everything.
I will say - when I wake up, I'm full of energy. No problems swinging out of bed and getting on with the day so the 3-4 hours sleep isn't affecting my energy level.
I have spoken to my doctor and she was willing to prescribe sleeping pills but I got the impression she didn't really want to investigate the root cause. She's a crap doctor that way but with OHIP being the way it is, I haven't been able to find another doctor in a year. I declined her offer of sleeping pills - I tried prescribed Ambien once and it left me in a bad way - when I woke up in the morning, I was dizzy, dis-orientated, and it was a real effort to even sit up. I was tired until around noon so I gave that up after a few days.
What's the point of this long rant? I'm kinda terrified of getting Alzheimers so I have not researched it a lot. In everything else in my life, I am constantly researching things but the fear of Alzheimers has a strong mental block on me. I would love to hear from others who have experience with it, the folks here (for the most part!) are rational and intelligence so I value your feedback moreso than random forums
They come from the US or having been burgled from homes. Your rationale is the epitome of slippery slope reasoning - by your logic, cars should become illegal because despite being legal the vast majority of the time, they have been used in crimes and therefore the less cars being sold, the less will be used to commit crime.
Ontario is currently in the midst of a full-on war against firearms because of shootings in Toronto. The gov't wants to ban handguns and have stirred up the population right good.
Never mind the fact that NO legal, licensed firearm owner has been responsible for the shootings. They're all done by criminals gangs who got their hands on illegal firearms.
Could that happen? Sure. You could also get into a terrible car accident on the way to work. Or maybe your car battery dies unexpectedly. Or maybe even there's a freak storm and you get 2 feet of snow in an hour.
I'm my entire life, I've been stopped maybe 8 times by a cop and 100% of them have been polite and courteous. Maybe I'm an anomaly. Maybe it's Canadian cops. Or maybe I've just been extraordinarily lucky and only the nice, honest cops have stopped me.
I fear there's a lot of pearl clutching going on. No-one will deny there aren't real-life instances of cops abusing their authority but let's not get carried away with the "what ifs". Otherwise we'll end up calling ICE on every non-Caucasian we see.
Let's agree to disagree, I suppose. If a cop stops me and asks how my day is going and if I'm carrying a weapon and I say, "Going good, no, I'm not carrying a weapon" and then we talk about the cold weather for 30 seconds, I personally don't feel that's a violation of my human rights.
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The IT persons frustration should be factored in. It's not just their time that was wasted, but the fact they were likely pulled off other tasks
I'm can't quite understand the folks who are defending the perp. I mean, this wasn't a political statement, it wasn't done for any higher purpose, it was done because the guy had zero respect for the people who own and maintain the equipment.
Honestly, prison seems excessive for most any property crime
Does it though? I mean, you willingly destroyed property that has some value to it. Someone else now has to dedicate time and effort to restore what was broken and there are a bunch of people who couldn't do their work because of some idiots actions. Sure, you could get the perpetrators to "right the wrong" by spending their own time and money restoring the original state but that doesn't make up for lost productivity and whatever other consequences there were - you know, intangible things.
I think prison is entirely appropriate here and for other property crimes. If someone decides to destroy/ruin/steal someone else's property, they should be put behind bars for a while so they understand there are consequences to stupid and negative actions.
They say they are investing all these billions of dollars with no cars to sell
What does it mean when a major company has invested billions of dollars, yet the only the thing they have to show for it is a shiny marketing blurb? Someone, somewhere is getting very rich off VW's smoke and mirrors campaign
But you can't even buy the Rivian and they don't have a firm release date. I'm getting tired of manufacturers claiming they're going to release some awesome new EV only to share flimsy details and no release date. It's all just vaporware.
Very few people can afford $60,000+ EVs
and yet, they can't make them fast enough. The fact that every single Tesla model vehicle is sold out in advance and they have a significant backlog means there's lot of of people will to buy $60K+ EV's. And judging by the all the Audi, Porsche, BMW, Mercedes, Ferrari etc. etc. cars being sold every day, I'd say there's a lot of people willing to pay $60K+ for a car, regardless of brand.
Canadian here. Well, British born but lived in Canada for the past ~20 years. I can attest that the difference between Americans and Canadians is paper thin. Despite popular opinion, Canadians aren't "nicer" than Americans, I've met plenty of Americans who are polite, gracious, and well educated. And I've met plenty of Canadians who are not any of those.
The problem is with statements like "Canadians are ". A Canadian might be nice, but I can assure you, in a group of 100 random Canadians, you're gonna find a high percentage of people who are most definitely not nice. Now replace 'Canadian' with some other nationality and the same'll be held true.
Canadians love to look down on Americans and portray them all to be racists or uneducated, or gun-toting maniacs but we have our fair share up here
I'm vaccinated, as are my kids, but let me tell you, every year, I struggle getting it done. I hate needles, it goes way beyond a dislike and I do everything I can to avoid them. Getting vaccinated is a 60 minute affair while I alternate between hyper ventilating, tensing to the point where I induce a cramp, and trying desperately not to fall unconscious (I have a 70% failure rate). Afterwards, I don't want to do anything involving my arm - driving, eating, lifting things, even typing. The entire day is a write off.
Of course I realize it's irrational but it's only when I get needles in my forearm/elbow/wrist or hand area that I have a hard time. Poke me in the shoulder or glute to your hearts content, but if I can see it, I'm gonna struggle to make it easier for myself or the nurse.
I don't know how many people are like me - if they could deliver vaccines in pill form or even by injecting into a shoulder, I'd be there bright eyed and busy tailed the 1st morning. There are folks who don't vaccinate because of their religious or conspiracy theory beliefs but I'm willing to bet there's a LOT more who don't because they can't handle needles.
Incidentally, why can't they just inject you in the shoulder? I mean, a blood vessel is a blood vessel right?....
Maybe but Modi didn't say that so I'm gonna lean towards it's political posturing since he's fully aware that 95%+ of India's population ain't gonna question the accuracy of his statement.
A person might be concerned about privacy. You, me, most people here wouldn't fit in the other category, but people generally don't care about privacy. Even if they get stung, they'll care about it only until they get their replacement cards and a refund from their credit card company, then it's back to the same lax behaviors.
Case in point: People who are concerned about their privacy wouldn't tell 20 million anonymous people that they're going on vacation and, by extension, leaving their house generally unsecured for a long period of time. But it happens all the time.
It's easy to determine if a call was handsfree or not. First, you have device logs that will show whether or not the call was initiated through speech or was manually punched in. Secondly, you'll know if the handsfree connection was established via Bluetooth, or if it was routed through the speaker, or through a 3.5mm mic/earbud.
I have a hybrid (Ford Fusion Energy) with a 7.2kwh battery. My average journey to work is around 50km (one way) and I can get around 38-40km on battery power alone. Only twice have I ever made a one way trip on battery power alone.
If the Ford had, say, a 12khw battery (but same package size, not proportionally higher weight etc.), it would be perfect for me as I could quite easily get to work and back on battery power alone since I have the ability to charge at work.
My next car will be an all electric with at least a 80kwh battery which pretty much limits me to something from Tesla. However, it'd be great if someone could launch a 20kwh+ hybrid - I'd be all over that.
There are plenty of dangerous things that are outlawed or heavily restricted by government. It's not "punishing" anyone.
If you curtail the ability of someone to pursue something they're interested in, and that person is in no way harming anyone else, then of course you're punishing them. You're taking what is otherwise a lawful, legal right and taking it away because someone else did something.
Guns on the other hand don't have any other use aside from shooting a person
Back to this....More than 15 million guns in Canada and over 100 million rounds expended and not a single person shot. I think that would tell you that the vast majority of gun owners in Canada use their firearms for putting nice little holes in cardboard than people. It's not for you to decide whether or not that's a good use of their money or time. If 100 million of anything doesn't result in a "bad thing", only an irrational person would claim they can only be used for "bad things".
Look, I get it. You're anti-firearm. That's OK, it's entirely your prerogative but at least try to be objective when it comes to hard facts.
*Spelling corrections* 2. Person passes firearms test and gets a license. Person buys firearm. Firearm is stolen. Firearm is used in a crime. Firearms are not generally used to commit crimes (refer back to my statistics). Therefore firearms should not be banned but people using them for illegal purposes should be prosecuted.
by only talking about legally owned guns
My ENTIRE position has been that punishing legal, licensed firearm owners for the actions committed by illegal, unlicensed criminals is both unfair and ineffective as a policy. So you shouldn't really be surprised that my stats cover legal firearms owners..
You seem adamant to push your agenda so there's likely no rational explanation that would convince you to re-assess your position so I'll attempt to clarify one last time:
1. Person passes driving test and gets a license. Person buys car. Car is stolen. Car is used in a crime. Cars are not generally used to commit crimes (refer back to my statistics). Therefore cars should not be banned but people using them for illegal purposes should be prosecuted.
2. 1. Person passes firearms test and gets a license. Person buys fire. Firearm is stolen*. Firearm is used in a crime. Firearms are not generally used to commit crimes (refer back to my statistics). Therefore firearms should not be banned but people using them for illegal purposes should be prosecuted.
Ah, anonymous coward is upset. What an unexpected turn of events.
That's never happened before, weird.
A gun's only purpose is to kill something and in most cases that something is people
Well, since the overwhelming majority of guns and bullets owned by Canadian civilians have not actually killed a person, it would seem that they are extremely poorly designed for that purpose, would you agree? I mean, there's 15 MILLION firearms in Canada with just over 2.2 million licensed firearm owners. That means each gun owner has around 7 guns on average.
The way you portray it, 15 million firearms in a country of only 37 million should mean an extraordinary number of deaths per yer. If a guns only purpose was to kill someone, 15 million guns should be killing MILLIONs of people in Canada.
Yet, since statistically the needle barely moves on the scale, one of the following is accurate:
1. You're scare mongering because it personally benefits you or the ideology you're pushing 2. You've made a terrible mistake because the facts don't support your theory
You're gonna argue there's a 3rd option. But I can assure you, there is not.
Tailgaters (the motoring kind, not the cooking kind) should be round up and shot. There, I said it.
There would be no money to grab if drivers obeyed the speed limit.
Every single car used in a crime started out not being used in the commission of a crime.
Guns have a single practical function and that is to kill something
Except, you know, for the fact that the overwhelming majority of legal, licensed civilian gun owners in Canada have never so much as harmed another person with a gun, despite having collectively shot more than 15 million rounds. That's 15 million projectiles that could have easily killed a person, yet didn't.
I'm 42 years old and have noticed a real short to mid-term memory problem for the past 2 years or so. I literally have a tough time remembering things from 3 weeks ago and struggle to recall specific events more than 6 months ago. I've taken to making copious amounts of notes at work that I can refer to later because I know I won't remember. No-one in my family has it so I'm assuming that means the likelihood of me getting it is reduced (but not zero).
Friends and family put it down to absent mindedness or just overall busyness and say other things occupy my mind and it'll get better but secretly, I don't believe that's the case. Right now, I'm trying to remember what I did at work last Monday and other than recalling things that happened during recurrent meetings, I can't remember. E.g. I know I had a one-time meeting between 10:30am and 11:30am and for the life of me, I can't remember the discussion but can remember the people. Times and dates are especially hard, my wife has come to provide frequent reminders of dates and activities because I just cannot remember them anymore. E.g. if we have a appointment this Saturday, by tomorrow I will have completely forgotten.
For the past 4 years, I've been sleeping maybe 3-4 hours a night. I track this formally via my FitBit but informally, I make a note when I get into bed and then whatever time I get up. Of course, I know I'm worrying about it which is likely contributing to my stress and therefore lack of sleep but nonetheless, I'm def. not sleeping as much. No TV, no phone, just lying in the dark trying to think of nothing. Which is hard... I often imagine myself flying through the nothingness of space just to stop me from thinking about a thousand other things and the darkness of space helps kinda blank everything.
I will say - when I wake up, I'm full of energy. No problems swinging out of bed and getting on with the day so the 3-4 hours sleep isn't affecting my energy level.
I have spoken to my doctor and she was willing to prescribe sleeping pills but I got the impression she didn't really want to investigate the root cause. She's a crap doctor that way but with OHIP being the way it is, I haven't been able to find another doctor in a year. I declined her offer of sleeping pills - I tried prescribed Ambien once and it left me in a bad way - when I woke up in the morning, I was dizzy, dis-orientated, and it was a real effort to even sit up. I was tired until around noon so I gave that up after a few days.
What's the point of this long rant? I'm kinda terrified of getting Alzheimers so I have not researched it a lot. In everything else in my life, I am constantly researching things but the fear of Alzheimers has a strong mental block on me. I would love to hear from others who have experience with it, the folks here (for the most part!) are rational and intelligence so I value your feedback moreso than random forums
They come from the US or having been burgled from homes. Your rationale is the epitome of slippery slope reasoning - by your logic, cars should become illegal because despite being legal the vast majority of the time, they have been used in crimes and therefore the less cars being sold, the less will be used to commit crime.
^ This guy/girl.
Ontario is currently in the midst of a full-on war against firearms because of shootings in Toronto. The gov't wants to ban handguns and have stirred up the population right good.
Never mind the fact that NO legal, licensed firearm owner has been responsible for the shootings. They're all done by criminals gangs who got their hands on illegal firearms.
Could that happen? Sure. You could also get into a terrible car accident on the way to work. Or maybe your car battery dies unexpectedly. Or maybe even there's a freak storm and you get 2 feet of snow in an hour.
I'm my entire life, I've been stopped maybe 8 times by a cop and 100% of them have been polite and courteous. Maybe I'm an anomaly. Maybe it's Canadian cops. Or maybe I've just been extraordinarily lucky and only the nice, honest cops have stopped me.
I fear there's a lot of pearl clutching going on. No-one will deny there aren't real-life instances of cops abusing their authority but let's not get carried away with the "what ifs". Otherwise we'll end up calling ICE on every non-Caucasian we see.
Let's agree to disagree, I suppose. If a cop stops me and asks how my day is going and if I'm carrying a weapon and I say, "Going good, no, I'm not carrying a weapon" and then we talk about the cold weather for 30 seconds, I personally don't feel that's a violation of my human rights.
That may not be true for you, and that's OK.