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Apple Begins Selling Refurbished iPhone 7 and 7 Plus Models (macrumors.com)

Posted by BeauHD on from the fresh-coat-of-paint dept.

Apple today has added refurbished iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus models to its online store for the first time in the United States. MacRumors reports: iPhone 7 models are available in all three storage capacities, including 32GB for $499, 128GB for $589, and 256GB for $679, reflecting savings of 10 percent off Apple's current prices for brand new models. All five colors are currently in stock, including Black, Jet Black, Silver, Gold, and Rose Gold. iPhone 7 Plus models with 32GB or 128GB of storage are available for $599 and $689 respectively, which is also 10 percent off. There are no 256GB models in stock. Available colors include Black, Gold, and Rose Gold. Apple says all refurbished iPhone models are thoroughly inspected, tested, cleaned, and repackaged with a new white box and all manuals and accessories. Apple also installs a new battery and replaces the outer shell, making it nearly impossible to distinguish between a refurbished and brand new iPhone. Any refurbished iPhone model comes with Apple's standard one-year warranty effective on the date the device is delivered. The warranty can be extended to up to two years from the original purchase date with AppleCare+, at a cost of $129 for the iPhone 7 and $149 for the iPhone 7 Plus in the United States.

75 comments

  1. Worse than used car salesmen by Shogun37 · · Score: 0

    Used, older models. All at 10% Off! ...Wow. Just...Wow. #drunkontheirownkoolaide. Let loose the fanboi rage!

    1. Re:Worse than used car salesmen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, you're not kidding! Damn things aren't worth 30% of their initial value! "Refurbished"... pffft You'd be lucky to get a new battery in the damn thing.

    2. Re: Worse than used car salesmen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People will eat these up.

    3. Re:Worse than used car salesmen by msauve · · Score: 1

      " 32GB for $499, 128GB for $589, and 256GB for $679,"

      A million bucks for the Brooklyn bridge seems cheap.

      Really, what does it do that a 2 year old, $100 on Swappa (iThing or cybernetic something) doesn't?

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    4. Re:Worse than used car salesmen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But Apple surely temporarily disabled their slow-ware, which will make phones faster than they were when they came to a Chinese slave factory for refurbishment.

    5. Re: Worse than used car salesmen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those "people" are called faggets and n1ggers.

    6. Re: Worse than used car salesmen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Faggets? Sure. But I wouldn't be so categorical about n1ggers - for the exception of sand n1ggers they are smarter.

    7. Re: Worse than used car salesmen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm Tim Cock, and I command you to suck my refurbished balls... for 30% off.

    8. Re: Worse than used car salesmen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, and this isn't an Apple vs Android thing or anything vs anything else thing-

      Across the board, I think reburbished electronics tend to be overpriced.

      When I was growing up, it seemed fairly standard that the value of a used whatever in good condition was approximately 50% of a new whatever.

      Now, I can accept that with a factory reburbished whatever something may be tested to work, have a new battery (if applicable), etc.. However, I feel like that doesn't bring the value of the thing up to 90% of what it costs to buy a new one. One could argue 60% rather than 50% maybe.

      If you only give me 10% off to get a used or reburbished whatever, though, I'll take the new one everytime- and if I somehow have exactly 90% of the new one's value and can't get the last 10%, I'm more likely to get a new something cheaper than get a refurb.

      I'm not saying there's no value in refurbs, I'm just saying there's not in my opinion as much value in them as what they cost these days.

      And, really this does apply to almost everything. Used cars used to be a good bargain until everyone thought they were good enough, and then the prices got so close to new cars, but for old models with some old parts that had no or a very limited warranty, that to me the value is more in the lower-tier (cost wise) new cars with a tricked out warranty as long and as extensive as you can make if you can get fianancing. You may go through 5 used cars in the time you'd take to payoff a new car, and that used to make sense when yiu could buy $500 clunkers. Now that its more like $5,000 or $10,000 clunkers that you need to have work done on immediately to get registeted in some states and then have the transmission fail or the engine fall out, with repairs that cost thousands of dollars, because it turned out the previous owner never changed his oil and there's no warranty.

      I think maybe in the old days we had one extreme where people didn't see enough value in used and generic goods and it was really a great value to get them, to the other extreme where they are priced so close to the cost of new or named brand products that in some cases in makes sense to just get the real thing that no one has touched. They just don't give you enough of a discount to make this stuff worth it anymore.

    9. Re:Worse than used car salesmen by tsa · · Score: 2

      Keep your data safe

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    10. Re: Worse than used car salesmen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, recent-ish electronics in particular are odd.

      I occasionally check ebay when I'm looking to replace PC parts. Used parts from private sellers usually go for close to the same price than buying new from some Internet retailer. The thing is, you don't get warranty or the ability to return the item from private sellers. There are also things like you have to trust the seller to not screw you over and you may have to wait up to an extra 10 days for the auction to run out.

      My guess is a lot of people compare prices to big brick and mortar stores which tend to be more expensive.

    11. Re: Worse than used car salesmen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is the trick. Roll out the slowdown patch on iPhones with weak battery. Customers trade in 'worthless' old phones for new phone. Apple replaces batteries in phones that were traded in. Sells them at a substantial price as 'refurbished' phones

    12. Re: Worse than used car salesmen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most peoples' data is safe because nobody cares about it enough relative to the expense of stealing it.

      Ego-bloated Apple customers, however, find solace in the idea that the expensive shiney phone will 'protect them better.'

      Great marketing opportunity. Separate money from the vain.

    13. Re: Worse than used car salesmen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most relevant eBay sales these days, particularly for components and replacement parts, are buy-it-now. Dickering is for 'collectable' enthusiasts.

    14. Re:Worse than used car salesmen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The supermarket where I work, the knowk down rules say that out of date stuff can only be reduced by 5% and then they wonder why no one is buying the out of date chicken. who would by chicken on day of expiry to save 5%. Fools

    15. Re: Worse than used car salesmen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have seen of ebay auctions sell at more than the new price. Also, you get this guys selling 1Gb usb sticks for $999 and just wait for the ebay dumbfuck to come along and buy it.

    16. Re: Worse than used car salesmen by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Be nice; he's gay.

    17. Re: Worse than used car salesmen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm Tim Cock, and I command you to suck my refurbished balls... for 30% off.

      Sounds like a South Park episode on Oprah

    18. Re:Worse than used car salesmen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My local mini-supermarket typically gives at least 33% and usually 50% reduction on expiry day.

      (Real) Parmesan cheese, which will last for *months* after its 'expiry' date at 50% off - what's not to like!

      I buy all they've got.

  2. Yeah but... by ewhenn · · Score: 1

    Yeah but how many write cycles on the flash memory?

    1. Re:Yeah but... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah but how many write cycles on the flash memory?

      Plenty. Even if the phone originally belonged to a teenager who filled the flash up everyday with photos, that wouldn't even be 10% of the flash lifecycle.

      If you get a new battery, a screen with no marks or scratches, and all the boogers are wiped off, your refurb will be as good as new. ICs don't "wear out".

    2. Re: Yeah but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ICs don't "wear out".

      ASICs absolutely do. Every ASIC is targeted to a specific EOL spec, the cost difference between 3 years, 5 years, or 8 years is enough that chip makers can and do make chips that last literally a few years.

      Shame on you for not knowing this.

    3. Re: Yeah but... by kamapuaa · · Score: 1

      i guess iPhone uses the highest spec then, because the iPhone 3GS in the back of my closet boots up no problem.

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    4. Re: Yeah but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i guess iPhone uses the highest spec then, because the iPhone 3GS in the back of my closet boots up no problem

      I would guess that since it's been sitting in the back of your closet it hasn't had years of electrons tunneling through the silicon substrate destroying its transistors. Am I right? I think I am.

    5. Re:Yeah but... by gnasher719 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Plenty. Even if the phone originally belonged to a teenager who filled the flash up everyday with photos, that wouldn't even be 10% of the flash lifecycle.

      Many refurbished phones will be phones that were purchased new and returned within 14 days. Can't be sold as new anymore if the phone was used, so they are sold as refurbished.

    6. Re: Yeah but... by naughtynaughty · · Score: 1

      Utter nonsense.

      You are confusing the term EOL, which refers to when a manufacturer will stop selling an IC, with how long it is expected to last.

      ASICS don't get designed to last 3 years

    7. Re: Yeah but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure they do. The ones that last 6 months are not good enough. So they put in the design effort to get them to last 3 years. The manager steps in and says 'good enough' at that point, because paying for further refinement isn't profitable.

    8. Re: Yeah but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All of the phones that get 'traded in' are tested, and every phone/component is dispositioned and used for something.

    9. Re: Yeah but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CPU life exectency is around 3 years in normal conditions. Ask Intel or AMD, neither will sell you any warranty for longer periods even if 90% of their chips will actually survive for years and years more. Smartphones which are subject to high IC temperatures, extreme temperature differences, moisture and physical forces have a reduced life expectency but still will _in average_ live longer than the average useful life of such a device.
      You just don't want to be the 1% unlucky bastard where it actually dies...

    10. Re: Yeah but... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      CPU life exectency is around 3 years in normal conditions. Ask Intel or AMD, neither will sell you any warranty for longer periods

      Warranty period != Life expectancy

  3. Imagine if cars could be sold this way. by Dzimas · · Score: 3

    "Hey, this 2 year old car has only 60,000 miles on the odometer. We replaced the tires, gave it an oil change and shampooed the interior so it's as good as new. Yours for only 90% of the price of a 2018 model."

    1. Re:Imagine if cars could be sold this way. by bug_hunter · · Score: 1

      Isn't that how second hand car sales work?
      (Though the re-sale price isn't as high because cars general have more wear and tear)

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    2. Re:Imagine if cars could be sold this way. by Kurrelgyre · · Score: 1

      Your analogy is flawed. This would be like taking an all electric car with 60k miles on its odometer, completely replacing its batteries, and then also replacing the seats, carpeting, and the exterior body. Sure, the dashboard and engine are the same, but for this example it's got an engine designed to run a million miles.

    3. Re: Imagine if cars could be sold this way. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your analogy is flawed. This would be like taking an all electric car with 60k miles on its odometer, completely replacing its batteries, and then also replacing the seats, carpeting, and the exterior body. Sure, the dashboard and engine are the same, but for this example it's got an engine designed to run a million miles.

      ALL they replace is the battery and the outer shell.

      Please map those two items to all the shit you mention...

      Analogy fail.

    4. Re:Imagine if cars could be sold this way. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got an iPhone 5 with subtle water damage on the screen before. Refurbished phones don't get new "seats, carpeting, and body," neither do most electronics.

    5. Re:Imagine if cars could be sold this way. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is, however, very close to the way that "Certified Pre-Owned" vehicles are sold.

    6. Re:Imagine if cars could be sold this way. by thePsychologist · · Score: 1

      They can be. At the very least, many official dealers like Toyota provide dealer-certified pre-owned cars. They cost more than the theoretically same model being sold by individuals, but the higher certainty you get is part of the cost.

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    7. Re: Imagine if cars could be sold this way. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The carpet, seats, and body make it look and feel nice. They aren't what makes a car go.

    8. Re:Imagine if cars could be sold this way. by naughtynaughty · · Score: 1

      Do you understand that the selling price of the refurbished iPhone 7 isn't 90% of what they originally sold for, much less Apple's 2018 models?

      Or that they replaced the entire exterior and the primary wear item, the battery?

    9. Re: Imagine if cars could be sold this way. by naughtynaughty · · Score: 1

      The outer shell and battery are the primary wear items in a phone. Replace those and you are pretty much as good as new.

      They also replace any defective modules, it is cleaned to a like new state and you get a full factory warranty identical to a new product.

      I think his analogy is pretty accurate

    10. Re:Imagine if cars could be sold this way. by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      I think that's kind of the point. Taking a car out of the showroom instantly knocks 30% off it's value. Someone is being royally screwed for a $50 discount.

    11. Re:Imagine if cars could be sold this way. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like "this car was returned to the dealership after a week, so we replaced the interior, body panels, and glass"

  4. Not so quick by arth1 · · Score: 1

    Any refurbished iPhone model comes with Apple's standard one-year warranty effective on the date the device is delivered.

    Except that the minimum warranty is two years many places, also for refurbished goods, with up to five years redress rights for phones. Depending on your location, the one year warranty is only valid if it offers something above and beyond that.

    1. Re: Not so quick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that the minimum warranty is two years many places, also for refurbished goods, with up to five years redress rights for phones.

      In the US? This story is about Apple starting sale of refurbished iPhones in the US.

      Please elaborate...

    2. Re: Not so quick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the EU it's 2 years for new items and 1 year for used. No idea what category "refurbished" falls into though.

    3. Re: Not so quick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But this story is about the US, does the EU offer 3rd party warranty extensions to US consumers or something?

  5. 10% off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    10% off? Hahahaha.
    Apple is one of the best idiot taxes around...

    1. Re:10% off? by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      10% off? Hahahaha. Apple is one of the best idiot taxes around...

      We rightfully make fun of Apple, but they've taken the Veblen good and ran with it like they stole it.

      Hear, heaR! (infinitesimal cap lock fail)

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    2. Re:10% off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We rightfully make fun of Apple, but they've taken the Veblen good and ran with it like they stole it.)

      The sluggish sales of the overpriced iPhone X show that Apple's Veblen good may have finally hit the wall.

  6. 2nd hand market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Here is a marketplace that Apple Inc control 'wholeheartedly'. Not just Off-The-Shelf, but Off-Someone-Elses.
    In doing so they have greatly helped create and maintain the 2nd hand depreciation market that almost all other markets and things suffer directly by.
    Car markets, for example, are ingrained with 50% drive off the lot problem, sprouted by the car dealerships themselves (This I was told exactly last week when looking for a car) for literally moving the car 1meter from the dealership. This makes the economy greatly disposable and highly lossy.

    Take pride (read as "courage") and back your product in ways that defy market "practice" and create ones own modus operandi for OTHERS to follow as Apple have done. Who knows, it may also reduce waste in the long term in other markets.

  7. So I imagine reality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Somebody hasn't heard of "Genuine Certified" programs for cars.

  8. America is a great place Apple knows by oldgraybeard · · Score: 2

    there is a sucker born every minute ;) and they will make a bundle ;)

    Just my 2 cents ;)

  9. The invisible hand (Re:10% off?) by blindseer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Market forces determine prices. This applies even to Apple. If Apple thinks that they can move refurbished products with only a 10% discount then they'd be idiots for going any lower on price.

    If you believe buying Apple products is just paying an "idiot tax" then you need to brush up on some basic economics. Apple is one of the most valuable companies in the world right now. Maybe all their customers are idiots. If so, then that just means catering to idiots is a genius business plan.

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    1. Re:The invisible hand (Re:10% off?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple is one of the most valuable companies in the world right now. Maybe all their customers are idiots. If so, then that just means catering to idiots is a genius business plan.

      They do have a brilliant business plan. They found something that everyone wants (cell phone) and made a status symbol of it.
      As to consumers being idiots, that is a proven fact. Proven by beanie babies, pet rock and other countless scams that were pulled on consumers over the years. Bitcoin being the next "hot investment" is another big scam.
      In US by the way, a lot of apple iphones are paid for by companies giving phone to their employees. Somehow in my company when new iphone comes out, suddenly people drop theirs and "accidentally" crack screens and wash it in the laundry. I wonder if subsidies of phones stopped, how many people would shell out $800 for a phone?

    2. Re:The invisible hand (Re:10% off?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They do have a brilliant business plan. They found something that everyone wants (cell phone) and made a status symbol of it.

      You mean like most any brand name in existence? Have you heard of "Ford tough"? Or, "runs like a Deere"? Or, "Dude, you got a Dell!" Okay, maybe not my last example. Every brand will want to make some kind of status statement with their brand. That only comes though if they can deliver on it, at least on some level. That perception of value can only hold for so long since it will get tested with time.

      In US by the way, a lot of apple iphones are paid for by companies giving phone to their employees. Somehow in my company when new iphone comes out, suddenly people drop theirs and "accidentally" crack screens and wash it in the laundry. I wonder if subsidies of phones stopped, how many people would shell out $800 for a phone?

      How is a company making a decision to buy Apple a "subsidy"? They make the same value decisions as any individual. Perhaps even more than an individual since a bad decision on choices of phones means higher support costs, pissed off employees and customers, and likely even more phones being "accidentally" cracked and run through the laundry.

      In my experience those "accidents" even out in time. I'll see people using frustratingly outdated computers and obviously damaged phones because they don't want to report it and get stuck with an "old" new device to replace it. They'll hold off on reporting damage so that they can get the "new shiny" to replace it. You think that the people that issue the equipment don't know who has a habit of breaking things? One sure way to end up with a hand-me-down instead of the latest company issued device is to keep showing up with busted company equipment.

      Another example. I had an Army buddy tell me about the sunglasses that the Army issued while he was overseas. At first the Army issued these ugly and uncomfortable sunglasses and they'd get "accidentally" broken or lost all the time. The Army then replaced them with Ray-Ban (IIRC) sunglasses. The soldiers loved them and "accidents" went down. Soldiers took care of those sunglasses because having them lost or broken meant going without sunglasses until they got back to base. It seems poorly made tools are sometimes worse than no tool at all.

  10. "Refurbished" iPhones are exceptionally good by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

    They are effectively a new phone, there's even plastic back on the front to tear off.

    That being said,... 10% saving? Just 10? Good lord that's stingy. Cmon 15/20% for goodness sakes, plus it's an older model now.

    Yeah, no, no thanks.

    1. Re:"Refurbished" iPhones are exceptionally good by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Apple is stingy. But that's a commercial strategy.

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    2. Re:"Refurbished" iPhones are exceptionally good by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      That being said,... 10% saving? Just 10? Good lord that's stingy. Cmon 15/20% for goodness sakes

      I'm glad they don't, as that directly affects both resale value and the general perception of the overall quality.

    3. Re:"Refurbished" iPhones are exceptionally good by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      That being said,... 10% saving? Just 10? Good lord that's stingy.

      The cheapest iPhone 7 is $649, the cheapest refurbished one is said to be $499, so the savings don't seem to be just 10%, but in this case more like 23%. And all the phones seem to be phones that are still on sale.

    4. Re:"Refurbished" iPhones are exceptionally good by naughtynaughty · · Score: 3, Informative

      They've already reduced the price of the iPhone 7 to reflect that it is an older model. The 10% discount is on top of the price reduction.

    5. Re:"Refurbished" iPhones are exceptionally good by guacamole · · Score: 1

      If they sell refurbished iPhone 7 for significantly lower price than 8, then what's the point of buying an iPhone 8? I mean seriously, for almost all intents and purposes, the iPhone 6 through 8 are the same phone. If I had an iPhone 6s I don't know why I'd want to upgrade to either 7 or 8 if it wasn't for recently discovered battery issues (I admit, the plain 6 is kind long in the tooth because it has only one 1GB of RAM).

  11. Not to be off topic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  12. iP6&6S refurbs are good but the iP7/7+ is trou by inflex · · Score: 1

    iP7/7+ are crippled with the same mechanical/physical issues that the iP6+ touch disease is caused by. In the 7/7+ it manifests in a different location (audio chip typically) and makes the phone become exceedingly laggy.

    Overall the 7/7+ has not been a good phone for durability, the new alloy used for the chassis does a very good job at resisting damage to itself compared to the original 6/6+ but the consequence of that is that the shock is now being transferred to the PCB and we're seeing a lot of board failures from impacts; previously the 6/6+ chassis would be the crumple-zone and the boards would survive surprisingly well.

    The iP6S/6S+ at this stage still represents the ideal balance of durability, repairability, cost, performance.

  13. boycott 'ending in nine' !!! by swell · · Score: 0

    33 years ago I was an Apple User Group Evangelist. I drank the Kool Aid. Eh, still do mostly. But I'm sorry to see these prices. No, it's not that they are too high or low; I'm not qualified to evaluate that. No, the problem with the prices is that they all end in nine (9).

    Retailers end prices with 9 so you will think you are paying less. $599 is less than $600, right? So when the average shopper spends $599, she goes home thinking she paid $500. A real bargain! Forgetting that there was tax, shipping and possibly other costs involved. She paid well over 600.

    Historically there have been a few retailers with honest pricing that may be related to the cost of the goods. No tricks, and usually honest advertising too. Those were typically high end retailers, catering to educated people. The Walmarts of the world have long used the 'ending in nine' gimmick for their stupid customers.

    But here is a high end retailer treating its customers like Walmart customers. Apple customers aren't usually stupid- so why would Apple treat them that way? I encourage all intelligent buyers of products and services to boycott retailers that insult them with 'ending in nine' prices.

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    1. Re:boycott 'ending in nine' !!! by naughtynaughty · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Boycott everyone that ends a price in 9 and where do you plan on buying anything?

      Talk about a petty grievance. Why not stop buying gasoline that ends in .9 while you are at it.

      Walmart didn't invent pricing that ended in a 9, go look at an old Sears ad from 60+ years ago.

    2. Re: boycott 'ending in nine' !!! by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Talk about a petty grievance. Why not stop buying gasoline that ends in .9 while you are at it.

      Hear, hear; that disingenous tenth-of-a-cent shit needs to stop. (Sorry if I grabbed your poor analogy and ran the other direction with it). ;)

    3. Re:boycott 'ending in nine' !!! by swell · · Score: 1

      Sorry, can you point to where I said this was a new thing? I guess you must be one of the stupid shoppers. Keep going to Walmart, you are very welcome there.

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    4. Re:boycott 'ending in nine' !!! by Shogun37 · · Score: 1

      Not to doubt you, but "Apple customers aren't usually stupid." Buys new phone because of "OOOHHH! Shiney!" Defends Apple with the same devotion of a radical Muslim. Allows Apple to absolutely treat them like a redheaded stepchild. ...What color is the sky in your world?

    5. Re:boycott 'ending in nine' !!! by swell · · Score: 1

      Lots of illiterates at this site. Can't read a short comment and retain any sense of its content. Please point out the part where: "Defends Apple with the same devotion of a radical Muslim" appears in my words.

      OK, you are an Apple hater. In your mind nobody has ever benefited by buying or using an Apple product. You probably think of Apple as a criminal organization. Many like you exist on Slashdot. Haters of all sorts. It's not unlike FB, Twitter, Reddit and other places. Better to hate at Slashdot than at home and at work where you have to look people in the eye, huh?

      Difficult to find intelligent discourse here.

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    6. Re:boycott 'ending in nine' !!! by Shogun37 · · Score: 1

      None of that was directed at you. As you think it was,. I failed to make myself clear. My apologies. You don't have to be concerned with it happening again.

    7. Re:boycott 'ending in nine' !!! by swell · · Score: 1

      Well I went over the top too. Sorry about the angry tone.

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  14. Refurbished by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that fancy apple speak for getting my headphone jack back and the fingerprint stealing home button removed? No? Then why would I want one?

    1. Re:Refurbished by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, do you want my tinfoil hat?

  15. 10% off for used old model = flush by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, it's insulting. I didn't even buy a 7 when it was new because it offered nothing and didn't have a headphone jack. Now it's even older and nothing but landfill.

  16. Hopefully by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    They have at least given them brand new batteries!