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Finland Will Introduce a Mobile 'Driver's License' App (yle.fi)
The Finnish Broadcasting Corporation reports:
Simo Karppinen, Unit Head at the Finnish Transport and Safety Agency Trafi, says it plans to roll out an app that will function as a free digital driving license by the end of summer. The agency said it expects many Finns to take up the use of the digital driving license as soon as it is released. The digital license has been in use by a test group who report successfully using the app where proof of identity is required, such as picking up postal packages. Other uses for the digital license include informing the owner of license renewal dates... The digital driving license will not record the location of its user or serve as a tracking device.
Slashdot reader Kiuas writes that it's being used as a supplement for traditional card licenses rather than a replacement, because "Current Finnish law mandates that all driver's licenses are handed out in a physical form. So everyone will still get a physical driver's license, but those who wish to do so can now leave their card at home and use the app instead.
Slashdot reader Kiuas writes that it's being used as a supplement for traditional card licenses rather than a replacement, because "Current Finnish law mandates that all driver's licenses are handed out in a physical form. So everyone will still get a physical driver's license, but those who wish to do so can now leave their card at home and use the app instead.
How is this supposed to work on a rooted Smartphone?
Banking software usually has root detector software integrated, but as various demos and lectures at hacking conferences have shown, their success rate is probably somewhere below the average AV software against malware.
If banking malware can make appear anything on screen, so can a software to "emulate" this. Of course, if it goes through everywhere, then using fake ID for bars, driving when underage, etc. just got a lot easier.
Go on...tell me another one.
That's funny right there.
It has nothing to do with driving or any kind of expertise needing a license. It's a digital identity card.
This is an excellent idea. Apps cannot be written to spoof output. Nothing could possibly go wrong.
Wow, just what we need. A 'driver's license'app to track our speed and whereabouts via GPS in the phone. What happens to that data?
I can see insurance companies raising rates because "the phone was in a car that was driving fast"
or police asking for your phone and saying "the data on the phone says you were speeding. Pay the fine using your fingerprint the next time you log-in"
NO thank you.
I've done this for ages and it works for me. All my IDs are photographed and scanned into KeePass entries. If I ever don't have my wallet I pull it up on my phone. The one time I was stopped the cop puzzled on it for a few seconds, shrugged, and told me to be on my way. Since essentially every police force in the free world can look up your drivers license on their in-car computer, it's hard for them to argue that not physically holding it is so terrible anyway.
See? It says so right on the tin. No. Really. Big Brother isn't watching. No matter what kind of Terrist/AmberAlert stuff we later proclaim, we PROMISE we won't use this to indiscriminately do whatever the fuck we feel like. Really. You can trust us. Honest.
Brazil is introducing its own mobile driver's license (CNH).
I haven't been pulled over in at least ten years, but there is no way that I am every handing over my smartphone to an officer, or anyone else for that matter.
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" where proof of identity is required,"
That's an identity card, as we non-US-citizens call it.
Driving licenses are for, you guessed it, driving cars.
Lots of people don't have driving licenses but they still get packages, buy alcohol , open a bank-account, take a flight or other stuff needing identification.
In Brazil already has this in place:
https://servicos.serpro.gov.br/cnh-digital/
http://www.brasil.gov.br/infraestrutura/2017/07/carteira-de-habilitacao-eletronica-e-aprovada-pelo-contran
Not all states off it already, they have until july 2018 to comply (original date was february 2018...).
It is just a digitally signed version of the paper document, you have to register the cellphone in order for the digital document to be valid.
Will strengthen Apple and Google's hand when negotiating with the government. Oops, your app is violating our terms of service and will be removed from the app store and user devices. ;-)
... you have to turn your smartphone over to the officer and let him take it back to his vehicle to "call it in"?
If you are smart enough to root your phone then I would hope you are smart enough to not hand the Police your unlocked phone because obviously they are going to need to plug the phone in to verify information and obviously you don't have an expectation of privacy at that point so it doesn't matter if you've consented to a search of the phone and every account linked to it...
Why do you think NOBODY has gone on to implement this after considering it? Even politicians know that letting an algorithm go through the phone they use to look at gay bank porn and manage their offshore twink accounts is a bad idea.
When you hand them your phone, you give them permission to do more than just look at "your driver's license." They walk back to their car with your phone and you have no idea what they've done to it.
Several states in Australia are piloting this also. Itâ(TM)ll be the norm before long.
There's at least one private company [as a contractor for the state(s)] working on doing something like this in the United States. There's already a pilot program in at least one state.
You want the cop running off with your cell phone, right? I'll hand them the physical card instead, thanks.
I have a driving license since 33 years. ...)
I was asked twice to show it. Once when a fuse burned out and my rear lights went dead, and once when I actually was a bit to fast in France on a highway (and I actually did not have the license with me
Why would I need an app? (Actually I have photos of all my important documents on my phone anyway).
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I find it completely frustrating on how much faith people put in a little piece of laminated paper. That piece of paper proves nothing.
I tried to explain the worthlessness of a license to drive to someone, on how unless the document is verified in some way it means nothing. The guy told me of course it has value, when pulled over he feels great confidence in having the officer look at his ID card. I tried to explain to him that the officer is not checking his license, he's checking how compliant he is. Someone reluctant to hand over ID, claiming the ID was lost, or sweating profusely at handing it over will be looked at more closely. If the person hands over an ID card then the officer might actually look at some obvious errors or instance of fraud. If the photo looks even close to that of the person handing it over, and the expiration date is in the future, then the officer will often not check further.
Again, this is not "checking the ID", this is playing a psychological game.
If an officer was honestly checking the identity of the person then he'd have to check the government records. The ID card simply makes this a simpler process by giving the person a unique ID number, a number that correlates to the information on file.
But this is not an app for the government to use. It's for non-government people to check, and it said so in the article. This is for things like signing for a package delivery at a store. I fully expect this app to be spoofed at some point. If people rely on this app for things like picking up prescriptions then someone is going to falsify this to get some other person's pills. Then what are they going to have? They'll have to check security cameras, rely on witness accounts, maybe they can do some signature analysis (they did get a signature, right?) or whatever else might happen in a case of identity fraud.
Unless this app has some very complex authentication then it's a step backward. It's far easier to manipulate bits on a screen than come up with things like watermarks and other anti-fraud systems common in government issued documents.
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Please explain to me how this is in any way better than simply setting a reminder slightly shorter than the renewal date on your new driver's license and a PDF of your image on your phone.
This is such a big nothing burger.
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Dear editor, please check Brasil's gov website, they will we deploying the Digital Drivers License in February 2018.
The app can also be used instead of the physical document but the gov. will still be issuing them.
https://servicos.serpro.gov.br/cnh-digital/
Great -- now they have a new reason i have to unlock my phone and hand it to them. Boo.