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Lauri Love Ruling 'Sets Precedent' For Trying Hacking Suspects in UK (theguardian.com)
A high court ruling blocking extradition to the US of Lauri Love, a student accused of breaking into US government websites, has been welcomed by lawyers and human rights groups as a precedent for trying hacking suspects in the UK in future. From a report: The decision delivered by the lord chief justice, Lord Burnett of Maldon, is highly critical of the conditions Love would have endured in US jails, warning of the risk of suicide. Lawyers for the 33-year-old, who lives in Suffolk, had argued that Love should be tried in Britain for allegedly hacking into US government websites and that he would be at risk of killing himself if sent to the US. There was cheering and applause in court on Monday when Burnett announced his decision. He asked supporters to be quiet, saying: "This is a court, not a theatre." In his judgment, Burnett said: "It would not be oppressive to prosecute Mr Love in England for the offences alleged against him. Far from it. Much of Mr Love's argument was based on the contention that this is indeed where he should be prosecuted
The computers that were attacked were on US Soil. So the crime was committed in the US.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
As a citizen I am scared to be in America at the moment.
Of course you are. Just like many conservatives were terrified to be in the US under Obama. That's what happens when you have a carroonish view of politics and react emotionally whenever you're not getting your way.
Sooo, if I gamble online and the server is in Elbonia, I'm not breaking any US laws? 'Cuz the U.S. government does not agree.
Only point being, international jurisdiction is about as grey as gray can be, no matter how you spell it.
That's what happens when you have a carroonish view of politics and react emotionally whenever you're not getting your way.
To be fair, Trump is a caricature of a politician, his administration follows his lead and he has congress backing him. He's also appointed many less than qualified federal judges, is attempting to discredit the FBI and undermine faith in the free press. His extreme behavior is very similar to dictators (which he admires). This is not normal.
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
Europe has thrived while the US defended them from internal and external strife. Now, Europe just is going to have to face the fact that they are going to have to have armies and navies again and have to spend a chunk of their GDP so they don't get overrun. Of course, they can easily continue the Merkel Doctrine and be overrun with Syrians, and the whole European identity be wiped off the face of the globe, just like how the Taliban and Daesh have destroyed all Buddhist and other cultures in Iraq and Afghanistan, wiping that from the pages of history.
Let Europe find its own way. They have nothing but contempt for the hand that feeds them.
If you think America is "defending Europe" in any way other than just protecting its own interests, I've got a bridge to sell you. No-one takes that seriously in any way. We've had to pay the dane-geld in terms of military bases, occupied land etc.
America is interested in one thing only: America. "World's Policeman" is about as realistic as the Easter Bunny. It's a menacing bully with a massive armed force. The moment that the bases aren't profitable in terms of the US economy they'll disappear. Just about everyone in Europe would love to see them pack up and leave. The rest of the world has been dealing with your mess, from Syria to Afghanistan to Iraq for years and years now, and there's one pattern alone: An intervention is NOT for humanitarian reasons, or to bring democracy, or anything other than "It is in America's business interest to do this".
Well, i'm one of those.
What was I afraid of? The to-the-hilt PR support the left and our media gave him, and the things he got away clean on. because of it.
things like extra-judicially executing american citizens. negotiating with terrorists, paying terrorists, paying ransoms? those _Absolutely Horrify_ me. Because we CANNOT do that, there's no long term positive and the long term negatives Are Awful.
Then you look at his using our intelligence apparatus politically, from the IRS targeting his political opponents, to unmasking US intelligence collections against the trump admin. to letting the hillary clinton off the hook on DNCgate.
Top that with his fiscal policy (we'll pay the banks for bad banking decisions! we'll pay the auto industry for their bad decisions! we'll pump Trillions of dollars out of the fed into the Top of the economy instead of the bottom!) And his political policies (Giving up US sovereignty, attempting to give foreign courts and governments power inside our borders) And his social policies (undermining faith in our police and military, working to weaken them. landing on the wrong side of every last media frenzy where the headline contained the words 'black' and 'white' )
Yeah. Scared Shitless.
The cheeto isn't the second coming of jesus christ, but just look at how hard the media is fighting to make him the antichrist. That should terrify you, if nothing else does.
So, you were worried that Barack Obama was going to extra-judicially execute you? You lived for eight years "scared to death" of being extra-judicially executed?
God man, being afraid all the time is no way to live.
You are welcome on my lawn.
The court of appeals seems to disagree with you.
The only reason the USA wanted this guy extradited is because they wanted to hurt him. They knew that in a trial in the UK ran the risk of handing out a punishment proportionate to his crime, and wanted to abuse the extradition process to exact revenge for making them look stupid. Seriously: if this one dude could hack their systems, they must have already got turned inside out by literally every foreign intelligence agency.
Forcing someone (especially someone with an autistic spectrum disorder) to stand trial in on the other side of the world from their support network purely to cause them suffering is cruel and unusual punishment of an innocent-till-proven-guilty suspect. There are no good reasons for him to face trial abroad rather than at home, and lots of reasons to believe that he would be treated unjustly by the US "justice" system.
I remember growing up in Europe when the USA was seen as a beacon of justice, truth and liberty for the world. Maybe that was just good PR, but these days they just don't seem to care at all.
In the past, physical presence was needed to commit a crime (e.g. robbery). This had the natural result of criminals being caught in the jurisdiction in which they committed the crime. Extradition was only needed for criminals who fled the country after the crime.
The Internet changes all that. Now it's possible to reside in one jurisdiction (country), while committing a crime in another. The legal system is just coming to grips with this. c.f. the U.S. trying to get Microsoft's server data that's stored outside the country, France trying to apply its laws to the rest of the world, Kim Dotcom arrested in New Zealand at the behest of the U.S., etc.
Extradition agreements weren't really set up for suspects who fled to another country, not for this type of remote crime. So from this point on we'll be making up new stuff as we go along. It'll probably be a few more decades before it all gets settled down. If multiple judges rule as this judge has (and the same happens when some American kid hacks UK computers), I expect the U.S. and UK will negotiate new extradition treaties which specifically cover this type of case, thereby limiting the leeway the judge had in this particular case.
That and the fact that Assange has offered to be interviewed by investigators at the embassy, or to return to Sweden if given a no-extradition promise to the United States. Even if you think Assange is merely posturing, such a promise would mean Ecuador would no longer have a reason to grant him asylum.
If this really was about an alleged rape case, Sweden has had years to make it clear it's only about an alleged rape case, and not a pretext to hand him over to the US.
The US Court system is the fairest one one the world.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
LOL - wait, you WERE *joking*, right? RIGHT?
You realize that the US incarcerates more people PER CAPITA, than ANY *OTHER* country - on the whole planet.
The only way you can reconcile that fact with your statement is if you accept that USians are at least - at *LEAST* - twice as criminal as any other population/culture in the world.