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US Regulators To Back More Oversight of Virtual Currencies (reuters.com)

Digital currencies such as bitcoin demand increased oversight and may require a new federal regulatory framework, the top U.S. markets regulators will tell lawmakers at a congressional hearing on Tuesday. From a report: Christopher Giancarlo, chairman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC), and Jay Clayton, chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), will provide testimony to the Senate Banking Committee amid growing global concerns over the risks virtual currencies pose to investors and the financial system. Giancarlo and Clayton will say a patchwork of rules for cryptocurrency exchanges may need to be reviewed in favour of a rationalised federal framework, according to prepared testimony published on Monday. Congressional sources told Reuters the hearing will largely be a fact-finding exercise focusing on the powers of the SEC and CFTC to oversee cryptocurrency exchanges, how the watchdogs can protect investors from volatility and fraud, and the risks posed by cyber criminals intent on stealing digital tokens.

121 comments

  1. By the time regulation passes the fad will be over by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

    Regulating virtual currency makes about as much sense as regulating Flooz Dollars.

  2. Wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, that Bitcoin countdown is pretty impressive though...

  3. Thank God! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Because it's soooo easy to buy and deal with Bitcoin currently...

  4. I thought this administration was... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    I thought this administration was against regulation. Not for things that threaten traditional banking though I guess.

    1. Re: I thought this administration was... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are not debating adding regulation in this meeting. They are debating what agency gets to regulate it under current laws. Basically CFTC and SEC discussing how they see cypto and current securities law. Oh and crypto does not represent any risk to big banking LOL.

    2. Re: I thought this administration was... by DickBreath · · Score: 2

      Why have a debate about which agency? Why not let all interested agencies regulate? Limiting regulation to a single agency could lead to (1) less regulation, and (2) lack of conflicting regulations. Although, I suppose, that (2) is possible even with a single agency doing the regulation.

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    3. Re: I thought this administration was... by reanjr · · Score: 1

      Because if there are two agencies regulating crypto as two different things (say, securities vs currency), then any defendent will use that in court to undermine the authority of the regulator.

    4. Re: I thought this administration was... by mysidia · · Score: 2

      They are debating what agency gets to regulate it under current laws. Basically CFTC and SEC discussing how they see cypto and current securities law.

      Probably none of the above..... Bitcoins are not security exchanges, AND they are not commodities contract exchanges, that is unless you're talking about those futures --- they're "Spot" exchanges or places of "Barter"; that is entities where you deposit your X or Y, and you receive trading tokens denoted in what you deposited that you can trade and then withdraw your X or Y.
      And X or Y is either a Virtual currency value to/from a digital wallet or a Fiat currency value to/from a bank account.

      Spot exchanges are rare, but I guess one of the largest and well-known would be eBay, where sellers list a physical good and a buyer wins the auction, then agrees to money they put down and receive the good.

      Spot exchanges don't really require any 3rd party regulation, since buyers and sellers are directly swapping the end things of value, not contracts or securities --- virtual currencies are more standardized, so it's even easier for a virtual currency exchange to prevent fraud than it is for eBay to do.
      The additional concerns are mainly security in handling the systems; KYC/AML issues, and ensuring exchanges don't do deceptive things like fractional reserve -- or take assets from customer accounts and do their own trades, possibly resulting in losses, or the exchange having less fiat or crypto X than the aggregate of that in their customers' accounts.

    5. Re:I thought this administration was... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not that they threaten banking, it's because they haven't and won't pay their pizzo.

  5. To all the fanbois ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Honestly, did you think your little pet project was going to escape regulation?

    Were you that naive?

    Because the reality is, this stuff was always going to be regulated, despite the constant yowling of how it was going to be a currency free form government oversight and regulation.

    If you believed otherwise, you're a damned fool. Your cryptocurrency was never magic, no matter what you chose to believe.

    1. Re:To all the fanbois ... by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      Bu, bu, but . . . big ISPs are getting deregulation.

      Big banks that scammed consumers are getting deregulation and/or tax breaks.

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  6. Ignoring regulators is one reason Bitcoin created by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We'll get to see if it actually works in practice.

  7. Me so mad! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rage!!!

  8. Cryptocurrency correlates to crime/risk by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Two things that are being looked at are:

    1. the higher correlation between cryptocurrency fiat assets and "dirty" money (e.g. crime or terror related sources/uses); and

    2. the lack of traceability of cryptocurrency allowing extra-national actors (primarily rogue states like NK, or banned individuals not permitted to participate in fiat exchanges, like Russian/Iranian/etc top execs/politicos) to participate even when supposedly excluded.

    Both are risk factors.

    Both tie in to the Tulip bubbles that pump up cryptocurrencies to artificial levels.

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    1. Re:Cryptocurrency correlates to crime/risk by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 3, Informative

      ...the lack of traceability of cryptocurrency...

      You clearly don't know how a blockchain works. The only trace required is at the exchanges.

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    2. Re:Cryptocurrency correlates to crime/risk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm a komodo dev.

      Komodo has an atomic swap powered decentralised exchange and dICO for your fund raising needs.

      Komodo is a fork of zcash with privacy and anonymity optionally available for use on z-transactions.

      Komodo has a technology called JUMBLR to totally make the 'paper trail' disappear.

      Fiat pegged gov/central bank issued cryptos are being investigated by 12 countries. This will be the new entry into crypto as centralised exchanges suffer from regulation controls (KYC/AML), and are honeypots for hackers.

      JPMorgan has been exploring anonymising tech on the ethereum blockchain in their Quorem blockchain product. Fungibility of cash except for the ability to reveal it's history to the special people that would require it - gov/accountants etc.

    3. Re:Cryptocurrency correlates to crime/risk by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

      The problem is that if regulators step in, what are they going to do? Lets say they do an outright ban, with penalties of 20-life minimum sentences:

      1: People will have a lot of offshore VPNs and/or TOR circuits.
      2: Someone will have a cryptocurrency or cryptocurrencies that are anonymous, perhaps with good old fashioned Chaumian blinding factors, DC-nets, or other rock-solid security.
      3: It would be a waste of money to enforce, similar to how much money gets wasted on hunting down pot smokers.
      4: It might cause people to just rebel and ignore the law, creating secure, private social networks, just to be able to trade securely.

      Regulation makes sense, but if it is pushed too far, people will just give a middle finger and ignore it, finding means to get around it.

    4. Re:Cryptocurrency correlates to crime/risk by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      No, my point is to the subject, as to why they are regulating virtual currencies. The internal methodology of blockchain is a technical matter, and has nothing to do with the reason, true or overstated, that they are pushing to regulate the virtual currencies.

      It's like the Feds regulating how fast you can drive, or speed limits on highways. Neither depends on which fuel is used, although that is a technical performance matter. It may be easier to mask such "causes" using blockchain, but that's why they're regulating them.

      Think of it as me being the producer of high octane rum runner vehicle technology, and the feds cracking down on the legal sale or ownership of people having trucks or cars that can outrun state troopers. They don't actually care about how fast they are, they care about the payload being carried (the rum). Whether that is innately legal or not has nothing to do with why they crack down on it.

      It's similar to the debates on why the feds concentrate on banks/finance for MJ. They do it because they can't legally shut down non-exporting MJ on a state level, but they can harass them on banking and loans.

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    5. Re:Cryptocurrency correlates to crime/risk by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 1

      The problem is that if regulators step in, what are they going to do? Lets say they do an outright ban, with penalties of 20-life minimum sentences:

      1: People will have a lot of offshore VPNs and/or TOR circuits. 2: Someone will have a cryptocurrency or cryptocurrencies that are anonymous, perhaps with good old fashioned Chaumian blinding factors, DC-nets, or other rock-solid security. 3: It would be a waste of money to enforce, similar to how much money gets wasted on hunting down pot smokers. 4: It might cause people to just rebel and ignore the law, creating secure, private social networks, just to be able to trade securely.

      Regulation makes sense, but if it is pushed too far, people will just give a middle finger and ignore it, finding means to get around it.

      We've already got the dark web and the vast majority of people don't want to go anywhere near it, regardless of what it actually is and what's actually there. That's enough to reduce the numbers of people using it so that it doesn't become available to general consumers.

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    6. Re:Cryptocurrency correlates to crime/risk by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

      Very true. People tend to avoid the deep web. However, if told by the government that cryptocurrencies are bad and they will go to prison for a long time if they look at cryptocurrencies cross-eyed, they will fire up a VPN, which has little to no relation to the dark web. Not going to jail is a good incentive for people to use technologies which they wouldn't have bothered looking at in the first place.

      In fact, a good currency app will handle all the TOR functionality, perhaps using a VPN for the entrance and exit, so all the user needs to do is just download it from the store, input their stuff, and it handles all communications for them, so they don't really need to worry about what is underneath.

      A ban will reduce numbers, but who would be left would be people harder to catch. It would also spawn social networks dedicated to it (similar to speakeasies in the Prohibition era) which would make police work even more difficult.

      I do think some regulation might be a good idea... but what is "reasonable" and what is "overreaching" is debatable.

    7. Re:Cryptocurrency correlates to crime/risk by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They'll have to wrestle the Mexican drug cartel's money laundering operations from HSBC's cold dead hands first: https://www.reuters.com/articl...

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  9. Meanwhile ... by PPH · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... unregulated or lightly regulated CDOs* are still a thing even after 2007. Why don't the regulators clean up the shit that has proven to be a disaster instead of pulling hypothetical risks out of their ass?

    *Now referred to as bespoke securities so as to skirt around market valuation requirements.

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  10. Re:By the time regulation passes the fad will be o by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If people really want to screw with regulators, then they should start investing in highly volatile real currencies. Turkish Lira, South African Real, Colombian Peso.

    You get the same volatility, the same amssive gains and losses.
    All the benefits of Cryptocurrencies, but with none of the legal-greyness.

  11. X Regulators To Back More Oversight of Y by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2

    >> X Regulators To Back More Oversight of Y

    C'mon editors, this is "dog bites man". "Man bites dog" would be a regulator who wants a smaller kingdom.

    1. Re:X Regulators To Back More Oversight of Y by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 0

      Not with Trump in the White House.

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  12. Uh huh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The meeting will take place tomorrow and can be watched in its entirety then. I'll just wait and see what they say then. No more of "we are gonna do this....maybe" crap.

  13. Re:By the time regulation passes the fad will be o by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Flooz lasted from Feb 1999 to Aug 2001, and was so obscure 99% of the population has never heard of it. I myself barely remember hearing about it.

    Crypto-currencies have existed for more than 9 years now, and see no sign of going away anytime soon. It's such a craze right now that I over hear completely non-technical people having conversations about it. People are mortgaging their homes to buy it, it's traded on the stock exchange, and Yahoo has a feed to display current prices.

    It's definitely time for regulation. Congress might STILL not want to do it for years, but that's largely because congress is incredibly dysfunctional. You're right that the craze is going to end within the next year or two and fade into a more normal financial background, but crypto-currencies aren't going to go anywhere anytime soon, nor is the problem of fraud with crypto-currencies.

  14. It's still a GOVERNMENT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Trump Administration is still a GOVERNMENT.

    And it will therefore be against anything that even comes close to enabling tax evasion.

    Remember - no matter where you live, if you don't pay your taxes your government will eventually send out the guys with guns to either toss your ass in jail or kill you.

    Because all governments need those taxes - to use against you.

  15. Ummmmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Sell?

    Where's your Trump now, hm?

  16. Re:Ignoring regulators is one reason Bitcoin creat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We'll get to see if it actually works in practice.

    No, it won't.

    Because the capability to ignore regulators also enables ignoring taxes.

    And there has never been a government that's OK with that.

  17. Re:All Markets Dropping - Trump Recession by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Trump Recession is beginning. Expect a 10% - 20% loss in stock market value.

    The clever money is pricing incompetence, impeachment, and treason into share prices.

    It looks inevitable we are about to hit a recession. It's not really Trump's fault, a global recession is coming regardless. His policies may or may not be making it worse (the tax cut timing was poor... pushing the bubble to burst- rather than if delayed a year could have helped pick the economy back up).

    Regardless, this global recession that's showing signs of starting now was going to happen anyway.

  18. Re:By the time regulation passes the fad will be o by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 1

    People are mortgaging their homes to buy it

    No they aren't

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  19. I bet they feel a need to regulate it! by TheZeitgeist · · Score: 1

    Congressional sources told Reuters the hearing will largely be a fact-finding exercise focusing on the powers of the SEC and CFTC to oversee cryptocurrency exchanges, how the watchdogs can protect investors from volatility and fraud, and the risks posed by cyber criminals intent on stealing digital tokens.

    Translation: "We need to figure out how cryptos can't be a real choice vis-a-vis fiat money, because our pals in the 'financial system' need to keep control of your money and skim constantly off your money and have taxpayers pick up their horrible bets with our money. And if you a choice with money that might be a problem so we'll 'fix' that real fast."

    Remember it will all be done for our 'safety' etc.

    1. Re:I bet they feel a need to regulate it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidize it."

      The level of government theft, currency manipulation, and general authoritarianism is why I closed my multiple healthy businesses, let all my employees go, and currently live a very modest life when I'm perfectly capable of making quite a bit of money. However, doing so would only feed the beast. I didn't quite go 100% "Galt", but nearly so.

      They can't steal from you that which does not exist.

  20. Re: Ignoring regulators is one reason Bitcoin crea by reanjr · · Score: 1

    Not necessarily. It might be illegal to - say - buy BTC on a foreign exchange. That doesn't stop me from skirting one regulation while following the important ones (like taxes).

  21. Re:By the time regulation passes the fad will be o by mysidia · · Score: 1

    Strongly disagree about crypto being a "fad". But regulation is an extremely BAD idea at this point, because
    (1) A major force behind the excitement for crypto is that "regulation" is flawwed and does more harm than good - that is the motivating force behind crypto AND the source of all the interest - Trust nobody, not even governments --- this is proven time and time again, despite peoples' best intentions ---- rules of the system are mathematical and determined by the consensus-based governance system, AND users knowing this voluntarily have the right to put their value or efforts into a system with particular regulations -- which is No regulations, except the cryptography.

    (2) Regulation kill potential innovation; because the filling of unforseeable needs will be hindered. There's a chance the way you understand crypto right now causes regulations to be written such a way that stops crypto from throwing away what it is today and evolving and adapting to a completely new paradigm.

    (3) This space is young and deserves a chance for technologists and researchers to learn through experiment --- regulators know next to zero about and future potential and technology ideas that have not been tried yet, and have zero business playing with regulations before they even understand that a persistent material problem exists AND they need to deal with it AND it's even THEIR job to deal with it.... the best ideas have likely not been expressed and experimented with yet, and may not come for decades. Don't assume that just because Bitcoin has issue X, that this issue is inherent to the exchange of cryptocurrency.

    (4) Regulation moves too slowly, and regulators have no way of adapting as fast as changes in technology ---- they should be having years of collaboration with technologists before they learn enough to even begin to see what is sensible regarding regulation.

  22. Re:By the time regulation passes the fad will be o by michelcolman · · Score: 1

    Yes they are.

    Here in Europe, too: I actually know someone who tried to mortgage his home to buy bitcoin, but was fortunately talked out of it by the bank employee.

    O, and then there's the famous bitcoin family who sold everything they own to buy bitcoin. They are living at a camp site.

    All of those were in december, of course, right before the peak...

  23. Re:By the time regulation passes the fad will be o by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Over the pas 3 years, the USD -> Lira rate has changed ~66%. Highly volatile? Yes. Anywhere near the craziness that is Bitcoin? No way...

  24. Defeats the purpose of blockchain "currency" by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

    While everyone is running around calling it crypto-currency It's all just varying uses of a blockchain to validate a transaction or ownership while remaining anonymous and not requiring a central agency/server. I still don't fully understand it but almost every big player in web services (IBM, Microsoft, Amazon) is now offering blockchain services to track and verify inventory. Yes banks and those shadow governments that control everything behind the scenes detest the idea that some of their control is being wrested away so you can bet they will fight to either extinguish (unlikely) or control through legislation the use of the technology. But ultimately the way the tech works means legislators will be playing whack-o-mole as new blockchains are created faster than legislation can be written let alone voted into law.

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  25. Re:By the time regulation passes the fad will be o by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    learn through experiment

    Fair enough, but meanwhile real people are losing real money in a market virtually nobody actually understands. That's precisely the time for regulators to at least try to understand the underlying mechanics of the trade. If hype is the only real commodity here, then regulation is appropriate.

  26. Re:By the time regulation passes the fad will be o by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

    If people really want to screw with regulators, then they should start investing in highly volatile real currencies. Turkish Lira, South African Real, Colombian Peso.

    You get the same volatility, the same amssive gains and losses. All the benefits of Cryptocurrencies, but with none of the legal-greyness.

    If you knew what you were talking about you wouldn't have goofed like that.

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  27. I don't think it's a fad by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    Crypto currencies have proven incredibly useful on the black market. They've been useful in facilitating the purchase of Drugs, Money Laundering, prostitution and all manner of illegal transactions. That stuff's not going away. Drugs and prostitution are likely to stay illegal and there's always room for money laundering. Ransomeware's still out there too. These things will continue to form a bedrock for the exchanges to run off of.

    Now, if you could get drugs & prostitution legalized that would be a huge blow. Crack down on Ransomeware & money laundering and they bottom would drop out. But there's widespread support for all those things (debatable about money laundering I suppose) and nothing seem to be happening. There are other forces at play.

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    1. Re:I don't think it's a fad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A fair point. The legalisation of drugs, prostitution, gambling, arms trade, and many other currently prohibited market activities would serve as a heavy blow indeed to cryptocurrencies. The restoration of a true gold standard and the abolition of banking license requirements and financial regulations would also severely cut the appeal of cryptocurrencies.

      However, I suspect that as a response to the long-term growth in the popularity of cryptocurrencies, I believe that governments will only try placing more restrictions on the people and this will only accelerate the process. General Tarkin comes to mind.

    2. Re:I don't think it's a fad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The restoration of a true gold standard

      The only 'true' gold standard is gold itself.

      Meaning: as long as we're not transitioning away from paper/digital transaction and going back to only using coins (which we won't), the amount of gold a unit of currency is worth can always be changed by the issuer as has happened numerous times throughout history, which is one of the primary reasons why those thinking of the gold standard as some sort of miraculous solution are misguided. All a gold standard really is is fiat by another name. Hell, even back before the advent of paper money it wasn't uncommon for mints to 'print' money by diluting the gold content of coins, thereby creating more coins out of the same amount of gold. Anyone who thinks the gold standard is a magical fix - or indeed a fix at all - hasn't done much reading on economic history prior to the 20th century.

  28. Bitcoin won't be regulated, fiat/btc exchange will by perpenso · · Score: 1

    Ignoring regulators is one reason Bitcoin created. We'll get to see if it actually works in practice.

    Bitcoin itself will not be regulated. Exchanges that convert between real currencies (USD, Euro, etc) and bitcoin will be regulated.

    The transfer of bitcoins from one bitcoin account/address to another bitcoin account/address remains, by design, beyond government control. As is the decision by the recipient to give the sender a pizza or something. This is essentially a barter transaction, which is taxable so there is government involvement but not government control up front.

    Now will people/merchants do their accounting in bitcoin, pay their suppliers in bitcoin, price things in bitcoin natively? Doubtful, these things will most certainly remain in real currencies for anything beyond publicity stunts. So the ability to easily convert between bitcoin and a real currency is essential to commerce involving bitcoin, so government can certainly interfere with bitcoin's use in commerce. However bitcoin is not really used in commerce, merchants who do accept bitcoins are generally doing all accounting and pricing in a real currency and provide a real-time conversion to bitcoin at the moment they provide a bitcoin payment address. Actually a 3rd party payment processor is likely to this, the merchant themselves will likely never see or touch a bitcoin. The payment process will convert from bitcoin to real currency and credit the merchant. Bitcoin is primarily used as a speculative investment vehicle, in past years mostly by nerdy true believers and in recent months by wall street speculators and general pubic speculators. Government regulations can impact this use case but probably to a lesser degree than commerce.

  29. US Constitutional Dictatorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gödel was right.

    Loophole:
    P: president
    C: congress (both houses)
    X: order, resolution or vote
    Vi: vote

    0. C passes X: C produces V0
    1. C sends V0 to P
    2. P returns V0 to C
    3. C reconsiders V0: C produces V1, V0 shall become a law because V1 exists (shall be of effect)
    4. C sends V1 to P
    5. P returns V1 to C
    6. C reconsiders V1: C produces V2, V1 shall become a law, etc.

    Lemma:
    The president can postpone indefinitely anything resulting from the concurrence of both houses:

    0.
    X is an order, resolution or vote to which the concurrence of both houses is necessary. This concurrence is a vote, V0:

    **Every** Order, Resolution, or **Vote to which the Concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary** (except on a question of Adjournment*) shall be presented to the President of the United States; (U.S. const. I.7, 2)

    1.
    X’s vote, i.e., V0, should be sent to president, because if X is sent then V0 of effect:

    and before the Same shall take Effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the Rules and Limitations prescribed in the Case of a Bill. (I.7, 3)

    2.
    If he [the President of the United States] approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated

    P doesn’t approve, he returns V0 to that house in which V0 has originated.

    3.
    who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, **by which it shall likewise be reconsidered**

    Such reconsiderations result in a vote V1, the mere existence of which causes V0’s becoming of effect. But to become isn’t to be: if V1 exists then V0 of effect, if V0 of effect then V1 of effect and if V1 of effect then V1 sent to P because V1 is not excepted from:

    Every Order, Resolution, or Vote to which the Concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (**except on a question of Adjournment**) shall be presented to the President of the United States; (U.S. const. I.7, 2)

    4.
    Which is what happens in 5, Congress must send the reconsideration vote V1 to P.

    5.
    P returns V1 because he can for, after all, V1 is but a vote for which both houses of C are responsible.

    6.
    C must reconsider V1 for otherwise neither V1 nor V0 will take effect, in contradiction with 4. C thus makes a V2, the existence of which causes V1 to become of effect, which requires V2’s effect, which won’t happen before its having been sent to P. Etc.
    X won’t even be presented to P if P disagrees on the Vs. But even if X were presented to P, P can still return X & any further V that C may present.

    * Amusingly enough, what actually happens *is* adjournment, but not according to the meaning of the term as it is used in the constitution.

    No Amending of this Constitution will be done without the President’s allowing it. For the proposal of Amendments by the Congress supposes that two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary. But both Houses need also agree before they shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States (V). These are respectively, a Resolution and an Order to which the Concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary. What this implies is that the amending process won’t start while disapproved by the President. But neither ends if forbidden by the same. For the very mode of Ratification, since determined by Congress also needs the President’s approval to take Effect (all of this because of I.7, 3).

    No Judgment in Cases of Impeachment will be reached without the prior Consent of the President.

  30. Re:By the time regulation passes the fad will be o by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

    5) How do you enforce it? Worst case, people use VPNs. The government may be able to make examples of some low-hanging fruit, but the US doesn't have a Great Firewall, so all people do is just use TOR for their transactions, have the apps do a different function (for plausible deniability), and have some form of stego or PhonebookFS like storage of wallets, so if it is asked, one just gives up the partition showing the pr0n stash, and that's that.

    Ultimately, crypto is math, and it is tough to ban math...

  31. Re:By the time regulation passes the fad will be o by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm paying with Monopoly Money from now on.

  32. Cryptocurrencies and Marxism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The blockchain is a treelike structure i.e., an Hydra. Each node of which (except the root), called a block, points (has an edge) to its father through that father's hash. Said hash has a growing with time "collision" (zero prefix) in order to, officially, mitigate Moore's Law, which is, of course, a pretence.

    The idea of using a block's hash as its address is reasonable: if you want to send x to y, you encrypt (hash) x with y's public key, getting x', and broadcast this x' hash. No node except those holding y's private key will make any sense of x', because they will find themselves in the practical impossibility of deciphering x', so that their case is comparable to that of a man who won't notice, won't mettre en relief anything that he has no concept of, it's as if they didn't receive x.

    The blockchain nodes have, as labels, as associated data, what are called transactions. A block hashing function (SHA-256), then, is run on a sequence of transactions, a father node's hash & a "nonce". A nonce is an integer & what is played with until a hash of required collision is found. This, [i]officially[/i], can't be achieved save by exhaustive search. This search can be easily parallelized so that the more transistors are put to the task the faster one will get an acceptable hash. Once this is done, the block can be referenced by its children nodes.

    Now, majority consensus *can* result in a faster exhaustive search and thus *can* grow *a* longest branch of the blockchain tree.

    But by no means does growth of a longest branch imply consensus, for the simple reason that parallel exhaustive search is not the only solution to the hash search problem.

    The blockchain is one of the finest examples of the plebe's *self-destructive stupidity*'s being an unstoppable force to be reckoned with. For they, by sacrificing real goods on the altar of covetousness by running country sized mining farms, *ex materia nihil fit, for cryptocurrencies, even more than physical moneys, are nothing. Come the end of electricity (coal, uranium, oil, dams who won't hold acidic water resulting from the trillions of polluting GPUs used to mint coins) & gone are all your riches, and so palpably that even the crass plebeian will achieve firsthand experience of his hardly mined coins' essence...

    The masses, being subjected to social influences*, they, being waters tossed to and fro by any wind happening to be blowing at any given time, are to a considerable extent atheistic in practice (at all, since there is no theory to mention in regard to the vile populace), so they will *believe* that influence based* consensus (BTC's approach) grows the longest branch... how characteristically stupid, for there is a Godnode, a central monad, say a quantum computer, that can spit, can speak longest branches on a whim, they still haughtily *believing* (all the while *believing* that *no belief* i.e., trust, is involved here, the very purported raison d'être of blockchains) that *they* made them, a phallic Babel Tower as it were, for example branches claiming that all American nodes redeemed en nature, with their females, the bond I preemptively forced down their throats, although none of these actually occurred. That is how one can go about suiciding somebody else, namely by confounding languages.

    Communist expropriation or, rather "voluntary" redistribution of wealth by Mandela Effect. The fastest speaker of the Great Red Dragonchain, the longest necked head of which Hydra is the Ledger or Book of Life, the faithful witness, imposes his Law, his history, his truth.

    * https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21576485

    1. Re:Cryptocurrencies and Marxism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the longest necked head of which Hydra is the Ledger or Book of Life, the faithful witness, imposes his Law, his history, his truth.

      Someone please find this guy his meds.

    2. Re:Cryptocurrencies and Marxism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something is so incorrect in the description that you feel entitled to order prescriptions...?

  33. Re:By the time regulation passes the fad will be o by Joce640k · · Score: 1

    Strongly disagree about crypto being a "fad".

    Why? I mean once the dust settles and it's a nice steady currency then what will be the point? What will you be able to do that you couldn't do before?

    --
    No sig today...
  34. What they're really afraid of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... is that decentralized banking may prevent traditional banks from continuing to destroy the world's economy. Rich people made a whole lot of money during the last housing bubble, they don't want a bunch of geeks jeopardizing their free ride.

  35. This is welcome by FeelGood314 · · Score: 1

    I think most crypto currency creators would like some sort of regulation. The big question is what kind of regulation do you want and who are you going to regulate. It's not as if there is any central authority to most crypto currencies. So maybe the original creators of a currency might fill something out, or a currency like Tether might have a way of proving that they have assets backing their currency. But something like bitcoin? We don't even know who the creators were.

  36. Re:All Markets Dropping - Trump Recession by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Regardless, this global recession that's showing signs of starting now was going to happen anyway.

    Yep. A recession every decade plus or minus a couple years, and we are due.

  37. FUCK OFF AUTHORITARIANS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Burn the SEC to the ground and repeal all unconstitutional KYC laws.

  38. Re:All Markets Dropping - Trump Recession by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also seems to be the same frequency a Republican is "elected" President.

    Coincidence? I think not...

  39. Re:By the time regulation passes the fad will be o by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Flooz lasted from Feb 1999 to Aug 2001, and was so obscure 99% of the population has never heard of it. I myself barely remember hearing about it.

    I used Flooz to buy a CueCat scanner to scan my grocery list, and then groceries.com delivered my salad in a van!

  40. This is a buying opportunity by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    I'm bullish on cryptocurrency, and plan to sell some of my stock portfolio to buy more BitCoin.

    **looks at stock portfolio today**

    OK, never mind. Maybe I'll sell my collection of 10 Beanie Babies, which by now must be worth several million dollars.

    --
    You are welcome on my lawn.
    1. Re:This is a buying opportunity by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Not that I would recommend it, but if that was your plan today is a good day for it. Sure, the stock market is down 4.6%, but bitcoin is down 12.6%. So you get 9.4% more bitcoin per share (average share price) today compared to yesterday.

      --
      Your ad here. Ask me how!
    2. Re:This is a buying opportunity by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Not that I would recommend it, but if that was your plan today is a good day for it. Sure, the stock market is down 4.6%, but bitcoin is down 12.6%. So you get 9.4% more bitcoin per share (average share price) today compared to yesterday.

      I'm not sure, because I've been drinking since the markets closed, but I get the feeling there's a logical fallacy in that.

      But you could be pulling my leg. The first thing to go is the ability to discern sarcasm.

      --
      You are welcome on my lawn.
    3. Re:This is a buying opportunity by Jason1729 · · Score: 1

      But you could be pulling my leg. The first thing to go is the ability to discern sarcasm.

      Thank you so much for that. For years, I've been saying the mind is the second thing to go. I never could remember what was first, now thanks to you I remember.

    4. Re:This is a buying opportunity by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      I'm dead serious. (Pretending all your cash was in the DOW 30.) Your 100k just turned into 95.4k. That's a massive loss. But BTC are cheaper. So, yesterday (Friday??) you could have gotten ~14 BTC (~7k/BTC) for 100k. So your stock is worth ~14.3 BTC. But now BTC dropped (to ~6.1k/BTC). So that's ~15.6 BTC. So exchanging your portfolio now nets you about 1.3BTC more per 100k you had in the market Friday.

      There may be some tax implications, but I doubt that they apply. Most likely, moving a few percent of your gains into a future tax year. That's a good thing in general, cause if you keep pushing taxes into the future, eventually you pay them when retired.

      --
      Your ad here. Ask me how!
  41. Re:All Markets Dropping - Trump Recession by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why cut back? If someone has money for precious metals and stocks, they have money for entertainment, food and German beer.

  42. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 0, Informative

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  43. Re:All Markets Dropping - Trump Recession by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Creimertard. Please ignore.

  44. Re:Bitcoin won't be regulated, fiat/btc exchange w by iggymanz · · Score: 1

    wrong, and communication between your server and a foreign one can fall under law. Already laws for fraud and terrorism can be invoked to inspect or seize your server, and more can be created.

  45. Re:By the time regulation passes the fad will be o by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I sold Bitcoin to buy a home. No mortgage.

  46. Creimer is a miracle investor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    C.D. Reimer is an expert financial advisor and a renowned Slashdot collaborator, as he puts it himself; "Because of the quality of my posts and my article submissions, I'm a highly rated commentator and moderator."

    But does anybody ever wondered what "C.D." stands for? Well, it stands for Creimy Dumpty of course!

    Creimy Dumpty sat on the wall,
    Creimy Dumpty had a great fall.
    All the king's horses
    And all the king's men
    Couldn't put Creimy Dumpty
    Together again.

    Creimy's siblings video and theme song, very realistic, especially the pants, just like Creimy's:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    With "Vice President Pence Vowing US Astronauts Will Return To the Moon", we are sure they will need miracle workers up there, here is what it would look like. Note that Creimy takes care of bringing a lot of food to the moon as depicted below:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    Creimy's real pictures:
    Before the sex change:
    https://ibb.co/cc7Ddw
    After the sex change:
    https://ibb.co/gVad65

    Creimy's "enterprise-level" chair, he talks about it all the time on slashdot:
    http://www.keynamics.com/image...

    Creimy's head, while his supervisor was talking to him, not with him, since it is impossible to do with Creimy:
    http://ibb.co/mRVSaG

    Creimy acting in educational resource document, he actually confirmed himself on Slashdot that he was handled by Special Education for the Santa Clara County Office of Education! He is really a king Dumpty!:
    http://www.sccoe.org/depts/stu...

  47. Re:All Markets Dropping - Trump Recession by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You might be right, you might not, but I'm not going to take financial advice from a 48 year old bankruptee who lives in a studio apartment and hasn't started saving for retirement yet.

  48. creimer spam alert! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't click on his homepage link! creimer is trying to get you to subscribe automatically to his youtube channel and make money off you!

    CREIMER' SUBMISSIONS UPDATE:
    Note also that creimer is trying to regain karma by getting his submissions published as articles on /. so make sure to go to:
    https://slashdot.org/~cdreimer
    https://slashdot.org/~criss69
    https://slashdot.org/~Anonymou...
    https://slashdot.org/~FatCashe...
    https://slashdot.org/~ILoveFat...
    https://slashdot.org/~IHateFat...
    https://slashdot.org/~IAteFatC...
    https://slashdot.org/~ITapeFat...
    https://slashdot.org/~IApeFatC...
    https://slashdot.org/~IPrayFat...
    https://slashdot.org/~FatCashe...
    and mod down his submissions as well. The great thing is that you don't even need mod points to mod down a submission, just click on the "minus" icon!

    Yes, believe it or not, creimer owns all the above sock puppet accounts. It is a mystery why Slashdot management tolerates it!

    creimer wrote:

    I don't bother with mod points. I'm doing something much more sinister. It took ten story submissions ? I'll have to double check the number ? to move cdreimer's karma from neutral to excellent without ever being exposed to the capricious mods. Mmmmmwwwwahahahahahahaha!

    https://slashdot.org/comments....

    Danger, Will Robinson, Danger! Creimy is posting more than 2 posts a day. Hurry! mod down otherwise /. will go to hell again!

    Note: you can mod down even if already at -1 to lower karma and to prevent lost /. users to accidentally mod up.

    creimer wrote:

    All you need to do is find a website with a permissive TOS, say, Slashdot, create a Python script to scrape your own comments, sprinkle Amazon affiliate links in various posts, and then re-post past links whenever possible. Won't be long before you start making "coffee money" each month.

    https://slashdot.org/comments....

    1. Re:creimer spam alert! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Creimertard. Please ignore.

  49. Good for you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good for you!

    Here is some background to help you evaluate creimer's mental capacities.

    Read what Chris Reimer (cdreimer) wrote here:
    https://groups.google.com/foru...

    You are such a perfect miracle imbecile Chris!

    I can't believe that you are actually imbecile enough to post this thread here. It makes you look like an even more imbecile fucktard yet.

    As some have stated on that thread "dot is NOT an operator", you fucktard! Apparently, you did not read the thread yourself or more likely, your ameba brain reading comprehension doesn't allow you to understand its content.

    It's like asking: What is the dot operator precedence in Linux Slackware 1.2.3? You can't daisy chain dot operators in Windows versions (e.g. 3.1, 3.11, etc.)

    What is the precedence in the 2.5 IQ that you possess?

    And if you ever asked about real operators the word is "Precedence" you fucktard!

    Dots are not operators in ANY OOP language you silly fuck!

    See java:
    https://docs.oracle.com/javase...

    For python, you could have googled it but no, you needed to grab the attention on that google group and didn't care that it made you look like a total fool.
    http://reeborg.ca/docs/oop_py_...

    See example in above link:
    Fido.head.mouth.teeth.canine.hurts();
    Other example:
    Criemer.head.brain.isHurting(); This is always false because your head is empty you dumb fuck!

    But Criemer.head.isEmpty() always returns true...

    1. Re:Good for you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's true enough!

      Creimer came in my cubicle the other day around 1:30 PM to fix my Ethernet connectivity. He had to crawl under my desk to reach the cable and oh my god! While crawling under the desk, he released an unbelievable amount of gas and the whole floor had to be evacuated for the rest of the day.

      An HAZMAT team was requested to approve the condition before we could go in again the next day and entrance was delayed until 10:45 AM.

      3 workers with chronical respiratory problems had to go to the hospital and 1 is still in critical state.

      Update:
      This is NOT a fart joke!
      https://slashdot.org/comments....
      The gas seemed to come out of his ears. My guess is that gas accumulates in his large empty head:
      http://ibb.co/mRVSaG

  50. Re:By the time regulation passes the fad will be o by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No you didn't.

  51. Re:All Markets Dropping - Trump Recession by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not really a coincidence. Both Reagan and Obama took office during a recession, and lasted two terms before the next one hit (will hit) their successors.

    More like musical chairs.

  52. Team creimertard has only one member! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every Slashdotter knows that there is only one member in Team creimertard; creimer himself!

    1. Re:Team creimertard has only one member! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chris' case is getting worse, he spends all day replying to himself as AC on /.

      The tests we ran on Chris have shown that Chris has the intelligence of an ameba:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      So, technically, he is able to conceive some kind of agenda but it will be silly or impossible to follow on a human scale.

      For example, Chris had an agenda to post anything he felt like on Slashdot which did not work well because it was based on his false beliefs that he had an infinite number of karma points as he wrote here several times.

      Several people here explained to Chris that karma maxed out at some level like 50 or so but Chris kept on insisting that his python script had confirmed that he had millions of karma points!

      Oh well, as I wrote before: "It isn't Chris' fault if he is the way he is. We do the best we can do with him and he is partially integrated into society. We try to cure his abnormal need for attention but he is kind of stubborn and won't listen to anybody."

      For the valuable /. users that might already have read the following, please note that there is an important update.

      IMPORTANT UPDATE:
      Special Education for the Santa Clara County Office of Education has invested money to buy Chris a new chair:
      http://www.keynamics.com/image...

      Information about Christopher Dale Reimer and autistic people:

      Autistic people have obsessions about things normal people don't care. For example, one of our autistic patient went haywire when he realized that there was a penny missing in his pocket change.

      To calm him down, one of our educator pretended to have found it on the floor and gave a penny to him.

      The autistic patient condition went even worse because he realized it wasn't the same penny!

      Chris has an obsession with budgeting every penny. He doesn't understand that most people do not budget to the penny and have a flexible amount they allow for miscellaneous items.

      I am Nancy Guerrero and I am Director of Special Education for the Santa Clara County Office of Education. We use Chris' (a.k.a. creimer,cdreimer) picture in our document because he is the hardest case we have ever had to handle:
      http://www.sccoe.org/depts/stu...

      Our artists were inspired by the low carb diet that Christopher follows scrupulously for the small lunch box and by the picture linked below for the rest. I am sure that you will notice the similarities such as the bump on the side of his chest and more:
      https://ibb.co/gVad65

      Please be easy on Christopher although, I am aware that some of our staff handling Chris post joke comments here and obvoiusly, the Santa Clara County Office of Education disapprove that behavior vehemently:
      http://ibb.co/mRVSaG

      But it isn't Chris' fault if he is the way he is. We do the best we can do with him and he is partially integrated into society. We try to cure his abnormal need for attention but he is kind of stubborn and won't listen to anybody.

      Thank You dear users,
      ---
      Nancy Guerrero
      Director
      Special Education
      Santa Clara County Office of Education

  53. Re:By the time regulation passes the fad will be o by Archfeld · · Score: 1

    I still have my que cat and yes it still reads the barcodes on my printed media library where I have everything random filed. I also still have 2 bit coins, one I bought for about $5 and one my GF gave to me. I will probably keep the unless they top 2000 again. I did buy and sell several others over the course of the last 18 months.

    --
    errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
  54. I was at comic con last week-end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was at comic con last week-end! The most comic thing was to watch creimer come and go with his camera!

    At some point although, he was about 20 feet from me and I could already get that smell. That wasn't that comic ;-(

  55. Re:By the time regulation passes the fad will be o by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    If people really want to screw with regulators, then they should start investing in highly volatile real currencies. Turkish Lira, South African Real, Colombian Peso.

    You get the same volatility, the same amssive gains and losses.
    All the benefits of Cryptocurrencies, but with none of the legal-greyness.

    What makes national currencies flaky in some cases is rampant inflation caused by the central bank printing uncontrolled amounts of lira, pesos, etc. This does not happen with cryptocurrencies.

  56. Hahaha good one creimer! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hahaha good one creimer!

    Here is the story of creimy the mountain and his royalties!

    This story was inspired by cdreimer, the parent poster. The story was written by a visionary on cdreimer birth date.

    The story of creimy the mountain explained:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Creimy is a typical mountain who poses for postcards, living with his wife Ethel, a tree, between the cities of Rosamund and Gorman, California. The main features on his mountainous face are two large caves, resembling eyes, and a cliff for a jaw, which moves up and down when he talks, puffing up dust and boulders.
    click above link to read more, he even destroyed Edwards Air Force Base just by passing by...

    Listen to the audio version here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    "Creimy The Mountain"

    includes quotes from Pomp and Circumstance March No. 1 in D major (Edward Elgar), Johnny's Theme (Paul Anka), Off We Go Into The Wild Blue Yonder (Crawford), O Mein Papa (Paul Burkhard), Over The Rainbow (Harburg/Arlen), Star-Spangled Banner (Smith/Key), Suite: Judy Blue Eyes (Stephen Stills)

    One, two, three

    CREIMY the Mountain
    CREIMY the Mountain
    A regular picturesque
    Postcardy mountain
    Residing between lovely
    Rosamond and Gorman
    With his stunning wife ETHELL, A tree! A tree!

    CREIMY was a mountain ETHELL was a tree Growing off of his shoulder

    CREIMY was a mountain
    (CREIMY was a mountain!)
    ETHELL was a tree Growing off of his shoulder
    (ETHELL was a tree growing off of his shoulder)
    (hey, hey hey!)

    Creimy had two big
    Caves for eyes,
    With a cliff for a jaw
    That would go up 'n down,
    And whenever it did,
    He'd puff out some dust,
    And hack up a boulder (HACK!) Hack up a boulder (HACK! HACK!)
    Hack up a boulder (HACK! HACK! HACK!) Up a boulder

    Now, one day, now I believe it was on a Tuesday, a man in a checkered double-knit suit drove up in a large El Dorado Cadillac, leased from BOB SPREEN

    ("Where the freeways meet in Downey!")

    And he laid a HUGE, BULGING ENVELOPE right at the corner of CREIMY THE MOUNTAIN, that was right where his 'foot' was supposed to be.

    Now, CREIMY THE MOUNTAIN, he couldn't believe it! All those postcards he'd posed for, for ALL OF THOSE YEARS, and finally, now, AT LAST, his Royalties!

    Royalties! Royalties Royalties! Royalty check is in, honey!

    Yes, CREIMY THE MOUNTAIN was RICH! Yes, and his eyeball-caves, they widened in amazement, and his jaw (which was a cliff), well it dropped thirty feet!

    A bunch of dust puffed out! Rocks and boulders hacked up, (hack! hack!) crushing 'The LINCOLN'!

    I gave him the money He acted real funny He hocked up a rock and It TOTALLED my car!

    Oh, do you Know any trucks Might be bound for THE VALLEY?
    I don't wanna stand here All night in this bar (Dear Lord)

    I don't wanna stand here All night in this bar (No shit!)

    I don't wanna stand here All night in this bar!

    By two o'clock, when the bars are already closed down, CREIMY had broken 'THE BIG NEWS' to ETHELL. And with dust and boulders everywhere, CREIMY, choked with excitement, announced

    "ETHELL, we're going on a VACATION!"

    Yes, and they WERE going on a vacation! (Oh, and ETHELL, ETHELL, ETHELL, like every little woman, she of course was very excited! She creaked a little bit, and some old birds flew off of her.) CREIMY told ETHELL they were going to Yes! They were going to NEW YORK!

    "ETHELL, we're going to New York!"

    But first they were gonna stop in LAS VEGAS

    It's off to LAS VEGAS to check out the lounges Pull a few handles,
    And drink a few beers, (Oh, ETHELL!)

    ETHELL, my darling, you know that I love you!
    I'm glad we could have a Vacation this year! (Oh, NEET-O!)

    Glad we could have a Vacation this year!

    They left that night, crunc

  57. Re: By the time regulation passes the fad will be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's the soccer moms who get talked into investing a 401k in bitcoin, not the basement dwelling tor users

  58. Re:All Markets Dropping - Trump Recession by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also seems to be the same frequency ... Coincidence? I think not

    Well make up your damn mind! Do the two things coincide, or do they not?!!

  59. Re: Ignoring regulators is one reason Bitcoin crea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It might be illegal to - say - buy BTC on a foreign exchange.

    Bad example: BTC is already traded on FX markets as the XBT/USD derivative. Moreover FX markets are already subject to global regulation, if anything the direct regulation of BTC is required to safeguard derivative markets.

    To address your actual point though, just because you could pay tax while skirting other regulations does not mean additional regulation will make tax avoidance more difficult, quite to the contrary.

  60. creimer went to comic con Germany! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    creimer went to comic con Germany!

    here is proof:
    http://assets.nydailynews.com/...

    He said he missed his office chair a bit:
    http://www.keynamics.com/image...

  61. Re:By the time regulation passes the fad will be o by mysidia · · Score: 2

    5) How do you enforce it? Worst case, people use VPNs.

    You go after businesses providing services pertinent to adoption --- mainly you create burdensome rules that make it even harder to have an exchange, or take or process vcurrency-based payments

  62. Re:All Markets Dropping - Trump Recession by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Team creimer doesn't listen to naysayers.

  63. Team creimer enjoys slashdot free publicity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Team creimer enjoys slashdot free publicity!

    95% of team creimer last video big total of 7 views comes from Slashdot!

    Keep on the good work!

    1. Re:Team creimer enjoys slashdot free publicity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Team creimer is a delusional retard!

    2. Re:Team creimer enjoys slashdot free publicity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      95% of team creimer last video big total of 7 views comes from Slashdot!

      Team creimer has never been too good at math huh?

    3. Re:Team creimer enjoys slashdot free publicity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Team Creimer promoted all the comic con videos via a tweet every four hours over the weekend when Wizard World St. Louis was in session. An additional 50 views and over one hour of watch time. Slashdot views and watch time dipped from 40% to %30 during the same time period.

    4. Re:Team creimer enjoys slashdot free publicity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only free publicity team creimer provides is to Slashdot itself by boosting the number of replies to an article.

      Thanks Team creimer!

      --
      BeauHD

    5. Re:Team creimer enjoys slashdot free publicity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank You!

      Also, don't forget to participate in Team Creimer YouTube poll about being in favor of a 2 to 3 weeks government shutdown so help desk can install patches and vote yes.

      --
      Team Creimer for a 3 weeks government shutdown.

    6. Re:Team creimer enjoys slashdot free publicity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...so help desk can install patches...

      So, all team creimer has access to is the HELP_DESK_USER.

      Sysadmins don't care about team creimer and his stupid help desk application patches so, obviously team creimer needs users to be logged off to apply his stupid help desk patches.

      As a sysadmin, I never had any problems applying patches similar to what team creimer mentions.

      --
      Balena!

    7. Re:Team creimer enjoys slashdot free publicity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh? What do you mean sweet tits?

      95% of 7 is 6.65 views and team creimer sophisticated python script came up with that number.

      Thanks for the 6.65 views!

    8. Re:Team creimer enjoys slashdot free publicity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There you are again spamming comic con, amazon and youtube affiliate links with yet another fake account, you revenue stream hogging disgusting fat sexist tube of lard, Christopher Dale Reimer!

      You can be sure I will be watching this fake account too. I know this is you because you told me you were working on your freepass 11 file server and you are so dumb that you can't even masquerade yourself properly.

      Now, I told you I was out of meds last week and you didn't even care to contact me you lazy fucker.

      How many times do I have to express the emergency of the situation??????

      The python click script you wrote for my pheromone revenue stream web site suddenly stopped to work!!!!!!

      You fucking incompetent python script writer!!!

      When it works, I get 4000+ clicks a day on my pheromone revenue stream web site but only 5 or 6 without it!!!!

      Now, it seems like you dont care and that you have abandoned me you heartless fucking pig!

      Bonus:
      Here is a story that creimer told me when convincing me what a hard life he had:

      The tree was him and the tree knot was his butt hole!

      So, his uncle packed his fat ass with lard and with his cock! Not that it makes much of a difference but anyway, there it is!

      Signed:
      Ethell, The girl that used to love you and now hates you, burn in hell where you belong you sexist pig!

    9. Re:Team creimer enjoys slashdot free publicity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you must have made a lot of money from that!

  64. Real threat? by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    With a US$243.4 billion (as of 29 December 2017) market capitalization, Bitcoin weights 0.13% of US GDP. Is that a threat to the economy? We could talk about US student debt instead...

  65. Re:All Markets Dropping - Trump Recession by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a genius investor! Right after the stock market drops 7% in two days, you tell people that the stock market is down!

  66. Re:All Markets Dropping - Trump Recession by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks You!

    Here is another plug: Team creimer also recommends betting on Philadelphia for the SuperBowl.

  67. Re:All Markets Dropping - Trump Recession by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Team creimer also doesn't listen to valid criticism. Team creimer is stuck in a loop.

  68. Re: Ignoring regulators is one reason Bitcoin crea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Err. "...does not mean [that] additional regulation will NOT make tax avoidance more difficult"

  69. Re:All Markets Dropping - Trump Recession by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Team creimer wants to believe. Never underestimate the power of believing. We will see who gets the last laugh you creimertard.

  70. Thanks Team Creimer! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks Team Creimer for your generous advice!

    I have just closed my eyes again
    Climbed aboard the Team Creimer train
    Driver take away my worries of today
    And leave tomorrow behind

    Team Creimer, I believe you can get me through the night
    Team Creimer, I believe we can reach the morning light

    Fly me high through the starry skies
    Or maybe to an astral plane
    Cross the highways of fantasy
    Help me to forget today's pain

    Team Creimer, I believe you can get me through the night
    Team Creimer, I believe we can reach the morning light

    Though the dawn may be coming soon
    There still may be some time
    Fly me away to the bright side of the moon
    And meet me on the other side

    Team Creimer, I believe you can get me through the night
    Team Creimer, I believe we can reach the morning light

    1. Re:Thanks Team Creimer! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Team Creimer, I believe you can get me through the night

      Exactly, Team Creimer wants to believe and says no to naysayers.

  71. Re:By the time regulation passes the fad will be o by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I sold bitcoin and bought a car.
    Yes I did.

  72. Re:By the time regulation passes the fad will be o by MrL0G1C · · Score: 2

    1) " Trust nobody"
    Except the people who run the crypto currency, like bitcoin which is being run very badly and lightning which doesn't really exist yet.
    Do you know who all the players in any given crypto-currency are? Do you really trust them more than the government .

    So far as I'm concerned cyrpto currencies deserve to die, the people that created them have shown nothing but greed and complete disdain for the environment. They could of tried to come up with solutions to lessen the amount of electricity needed to create crypto-currencies but they haven't, so fuck them, their currencies should die.

    --
    Waterfox - a Firefox fork with legacy extension support, security updates and better privacy by default.
  73. Re:By the time regulation passes the fad will be o by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is that '78 Pinto running?

  74. Re:All Markets Dropping - Trump Recession by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LOL! ROFL! Team Creimer sees post at -1 and think +1 then does a double-take. This is funny ROFL!

  75. Really Virtual Currency? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are so-called "cryptocurrencies" really currency? If so why Bitcoin no longer used for shopping anymore, but now it is said to be "cryptoinvestment"? If it was a different cyptocurrency, instead of Bitcoin, could it really stay stable in the long term? Aren't all cryptocurrencies work the same way? Do we really need any completely unstable currency?!

    And if they are not really currency but investment, do we really need virtual investments when we have real investments? What would happen to world economy if people invested in virtual investments instead of real ones?

    And why all cryptocurrencies work like decentralized variable interest Ponzi Schemes, by the way?

  76. Re:By the time regulation passes the fad will be o by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was the plan all along. The Central bankers want to control everything, and we absolutely can not allow it.

    I and others predicted this, and here is a Interview with Greg Hunter and Lynette Zang

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo1AJSHBFuo

  77. This is why we cant have nice things... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People: We made something

    Govt: Quick, lets regulate it so we get our cut

  78. Re:By the time regulation passes the fad will be o by mysidia · · Score: 1

    Except the people who run the crypto currency, like bitcoin which is being run very badly and lightning which doesn't really exist yet.

    That is just your personal opinion -- the network does not agree with you that Bitcoin is being "run badly".
    Lightning is currently a TestNet technology that already has all the necessary capabilities in the Bitcoin network itself to be developed on top of BTC.

    Do you know who all the players in any given crypto-currency are? Do you really trust them more than the government .

    No, and Yes. Remember the players have to come to consensus on each change --- they will only implement revisions to the rules that the network can agree upon, with all actors protecting their own interests.

    the people that created them have shown nothing but greed and complete disdain for the environment. They could of tried to come up with solutions to lessen the amount of electricity needed

    Now you're just bullshitting...... in most cases the creators haven't even profited significantly or don't expect to.

    The technology doesn't require, nor does it consume unreasonable amounts of electricity.
    The early developers look upon centralized mining with great disdain ----- that was never meant to happen; Litecoin was the first major AltCoin and was created with a major focus of ending ASIC mining, although that goal was not achieved - Monero and the CryptoNight algorithm have achieved thus.

    Some blockchains have come up with "Proof of Stake" and "Proof of Stack Velocity (POsV)", But those have a bigger problem in that they encourage coin hoarding even moreso than mining does, which is undesirable economically.

    I expect in the future we'll later see crypto that distributes the initial coins more "fairly" and evenly among ALL its early users -- instead of concentrating them in a small number of Miners with GPUs or ASICs and Stackers with large stashes, and has functions such as "burning % of coins" network-wide on a regular basis to induce churn, discourage hoarding, and control the circulating supplies to reduce volatility.

    These are all functions that can be automated with no government involvement (Eventually, with enough testing, hard work and further development) --- and agreed upon by consensus By whichever users decide to join that community.