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Seattle Finds Facebook in Violation of City Campaign Finance Law (reuters.com)

Seattle's election authority said on Monday that Facebook is in violation of a city law that requires disclosure of who buys election ads, the first attempt of its kind to regulate U.S. political ads on the internet. From a report: Facebook must disclose details about spending in last year's Seattle city elections or face penalties, Wayne Barnett, executive director of the Seattle Ethics and Elections Commission, said in a statement. The penalties could be up to $5,000 per advertising buy, Barnett said, adding that he would discuss next steps this week with Seattle's city attorney.

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  1. Liked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I like this

  2. I love where I live by elcor · · Score: 5, Funny

    They're cutting the balls of Facebook, passing a law to cut the balls of Apple's inbuilt obsolescence, have native Indian tribes controlling most of the forests. Yep i like Washington state Too bad about those blue scanners tracking cars on the 405. Now they need to cut the balls off microsoft who installed those.

    1. Re:I love where I live by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1

      What scanners are you talking about? I don't venture down there too often.

    2. Re:I love where I live by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      He's talking about the HOV hot lanes where you can pay to drive in them if you are not carpooling. It has absolutely nothing to do with Microsoft.

      Indian tribes control very, very little of the forests too. The vast majority of forest land in WA is owned by the Department of Natural Resources, not the tribes. Reservation land owned by the tribes is very small:
      http://www.indian-ed.org/resources/tribal-directory-map/

    3. Re:I love where I live by Altrag · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The idea with safe injection sites -- aside from just being a decent human and recognizing that other people need help -- is that needles are easier and cheaper to deal with than bodies (or worse, long-term health problems like AIDS and other needle-transmitted diseases. Even if you decide the person in question isn't worth treating, they've got the possibility to spread those diseases around and multiply the costs.)

      But of course, helping people in need is UnAmerican.. at least in the opinion of many on the right (and even some on the left.) They'll happily eat whatever long-term costs if they get to punish people _right now_ who fell on hard times, made one bad choice they can't escape from, or were just plain unlucky in life.

    4. Re:I love where I live by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You know, it's funny: before Trump was elected, it was all about piling power upon power into the federal government. We can't have everyone consulting state and local governments every time they want to do something, too burdensome. Inefficient. Moreover the people at the federal level are smarter and better at their jobs. They have advanced degrees from better schools. Who has Seattle got? People with degrees from State U?

      Then overnight, it went to inefficient burdensome regulations written by the poorly educated for everyone. Suddenly it was good? You realize one of Trump's "things" is that we don't need a federal government to do everything and state & local governments can do for themselves? You're just falling for his con man act. I thought you were smarter than that. Resist!

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    5. Re:I love where I live by Obfuscant · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But of course, helping people in need is UnAmerican..

      That assumes that giving people the tools to kill themselves using illegal substances without picking up a fatal disease in the process is actually helping them, compared to providing services to help them break the habit. While you might argue that we aren't providing enough of the latter, that doesn't mean we should just take the easy way out and pretend that we are helping.

    6. Re:I love where I live by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Even if needle exchange programmes do nothing at all to help people get off drugs (and I can't think of a better way of offering help for those who need it than through such a service), the point is that it reduces both emergency medical care resulting from sharing needles (which taxpayers pay for) AND reducing the littering of used needles (a massive public health hazard and a costly mess to clean up).

      These programmes save far more of our tax money than they cost, but some people will oppose them because they also help people whom they don't like. If we were feeling extra generous, we can spend that saved money on programmes to help people get off drugs entirely, or at least we could if it wasn't for people like the OP frothing at the mouth at the thought of "his" tax money going to help people he's deemed morally corrupt for becoming addicts.

    7. Re: I love where I live by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      Freeway traffic neutrality sounds like a fine idea. Allowing the rich to pay for better streets than the masses are allowed to drive on is a deeply corrupt policy.

    8. Re:I love where I live by DavidMZ · · Score: 2

      You know, it's funny: before Trump was elected, it was all about piling power upon power into the federal government. We can't have everyone consulting state and local governments every time they want to do something, too burdensome. Inefficient. Moreover the people at the federal level are smarter and better at their jobs. They have advanced degrees from better schools. Who has Seattle got? People with degrees from State U?

      Then overnight, it went to inefficient burdensome regulations written by the poorly educated for everyone. Suddenly it was good? You realize one of Trump's "things" is that we don't need a federal government to do everything and state & local governments can do for themselves? You're just falling for his con man act. I thought you were smarter than that. Resist!

      When the federal government is failing, the local government takes the necessary measures to protect the population. Still, that's a government failure and it is not something to rejoice about.

    9. Re: I love where I live by MattFlower · · Score: 1

      That doesnâ(TM)t sound like a valid analogy to me. âoePay for priorityâ sounds more like allowing some customers to pay $150/mo for gigabit internet largely built with taxpayer dollars while others just canâ(TM)t afford or justify the additional expense.

      Net neutrality is more like a making a rule that exclusively allows Honda cars in the âoepay for priorityâ lane because they paid the transportation department off. Few would buy a Kia even if they were amazing because everybody wants to be home earlier and Kias take too long to get there. Furthermore, Kia would never be able to buy there way into that lane because they can never earn quite enough money to afford it. Honda becomes the de facto car and is difficult to unseat from their position of power. To me, thatâ(TM)s net neutrality.

    10. Re:I love where I live by maggotbrain_777 · · Score: 1

      Keep whinging. Be thankful that most of these are 'sin' taxes and not an across the board state income tax.

    11. Re:I love where I live by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Even if needle exchange programmes do nothing at all to help people get off drugs (and I can't think of a better way of offering help for those who need it than through such a service),

      I try not to respond to AC because they usually say patently silly things, like this. You can't think of a better way of helping people to get off drugs than to give them needles so they can continue to shoot up with less worry about fatal illnesses?

      the point is that it reduces both emergency medical care resulting from sharing needles (which taxpayers pay for) AND reducing the littering of used needles (a massive public health hazard and a costly mess to clean up).

      And none of this is helping the drug addict in the long run. It's saving the taxpayer money. It may APPEAR to "help the addict" but it is really enabling a behavior that is dangerous and often fatal in itself. Virtue signaling, I think it is called.

      The typical insult as demonstrated by the GP is that conservatives don't want to help people if they don't want to give them clean needles. As I pointed out, this assumes that giving people clean needles so they can kill themselves with illegal drugs with less fear of getting a fatal disease in the process is "helping them".

      These programmes save far more of our tax money than they cost, but some people will oppose them because they also help people whom they don't like.

      Yep, and now you've repeated the same nonsense insult, using the same incorrect assumption. If you like someone you will help them get off drugs, not make it easier and less troublesome for them to keep doing them.

    12. Re:I love where I live by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      You do realize that a lot of people get upset at ebay sellers like with the nintendo classic and online people definitely called it extortion.

    13. Re:I love where I live by sdinfoserv · · Score: 1

      The toll is always $10 when there is heavy traffic - plus a $2 service fee if you have not purchased the automated charge GoodToGo pass that requires a credit card... 10+2 is 12.....

    14. Re:I love where I live by sdinfoserv · · Score: 1

      Your second question: who's being extorted?
      The DOT took away 1 regular traffic lane and built a toll lane, leaving 2 toll lanes. If you don't "pay to play", you end up sitting in traffic 3 hours on a 25mile drive. I live in Mukilteo and my wife worked in Redmond taking the 405 daily. Yes, I purchased a goodtogo pass, even after the savings of the fees, still cost $75 per week which is $3900 per year. Even in the toll lane, her commuter was 45min to an hour per way. Without the toll lane, in regular traffic lanes (for those who can't afford the $4K per year in tolls), it's 1-2 hours per way for 25 miles... That's obscene.
      Add on top of the $4000 traffic tools the DOUBLING of my vehicle registration for the Sound Transit $54BILLION expansion, and the increased property taxes, again for the Sound Transit Expansion, and yes, the State is extorting money.
      Is the 405 paying for itelf? It was passed into law under the conditions of the law states the two-year anniversary requirement that the toll lanes meet the 45 mph standard and collect at least enough money to meet operating costs or they “must be terminated as soon as practicable.” The estimated $18M in collection fees is actually $30M, but the speed is no where near 45 MPH average. Yet it's not terminated, like most legislators, ours are addicted to tax money.
      Additionally, there's a new tunnel into Seattle being dug that will be a toll. The Seattle area has become the worst traffic area in the Country
      https://www.seattletimes.com/s...
      and all the State wants to do is capitalize on traffic jams, create revenue and fund homeless and drug "safe sites" where addicts get free needles and doctor supervision. https://www.washingtonpost.com...

    15. Re:I love where I live by Ichijo · · Score: 1

      Yes, I purchased a goodtogo pass, even after the savings of the fees, still cost $75 per week which is $3900 per year. Even in the toll lane, her commuter was 45min to an hour per way.

      With so many people eager to pay the toll that the freeway was still congested, it sounds like the price was too low!

      Without the toll lane, in regular traffic lanes...it's 1-2 hours per way for 25 miles... That's obscene.

      Or in the words of Yogi Berra, "nobody takes the 405 anymore. It's too crowded."

      Is the 405 paying for itelf? It was passed into law under the conditions...that the toll lanes...collect at least enough money to meet operating costs

      Ok but what about maintenance costs, construction costs (including land acquisition costs) and opportunity costs (including the lost property and sales taxes the city would earn if they used the land for something else)? Will tolls cover all of the cost of building the new tunnel or will it also require a tax subsidy?

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    16. Re:I love where I live by Dutchmaan · · Score: 1

      I want highway neutrality!!!!! The great irony is that 405 is a complete physical example of not having net neutrality.

    17. Re:I love where I live by Altrag · · Score: 1

      People already have those "tools to kill themselves." The safe injection site gives them a way to use the drugs that's safer for them, safer for the public and if they do OD, they've got trained staff on hand who can deal with the situation instead of in a dirty apartment or an alley or something where they're almost certain to die, with a body left for just anybody to find.

      And of course you're also ignoring that safe injection sites also highly promote and often even offer services to help addicts get off the drugs, so its helping in that aspect as well.

      So it:
      a) Is cheaper in the long term by ensuring immediate care is available should an OD occur rather than having to deal with the much more expensive consequences after the fact.

      b) Helps the public by reducing used needle litter, reducing the spread of infections diseases and so on.

      c) Helps the drugs users themselves, as much as they can be helped.

      The _only_ downside to safe injection sites is the NIMBY argument. Most people (rightfully, imo) don't want a bunch of drug users passing through their neighborhood, regardless of whether they're on their way to a safe injection site or for some other purpose. But that's a matter for city planners and its not _that_ hard to deal with in most cases. For starters, putting the site in an area that's already got a large drug usage problem both reduces the NIMBY complaints as well as managing the users to some degree, again helping out the non-using neighbors.

      Also a bit off topic but, by the way you talk about drugs as "tools to kill themselves," I'm curious as to your views on the second amendment? I have a suspicion from your phrasing that you're a supporter..

    18. Re:I love where I live by sdinfoserv · · Score: 1

      They're going to toll every single upgrade. The Alaska Viaduct upgrade will be tolled once complete:
      http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/Projec...

  3. 5000$? by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    Wow, the petty-cash will not even get a dent.

  4. Re:Consequence? by darkain · · Score: 1

    Facebook has physical offices within the city of Seattle. I'm sure they can think of several ways to enforce this upon those offices.

  5. So many violations. by Narcocide · · Score: 1

    Facebook is guilty of so much... if they were even fairly prosecuted for half of it they'd have to shut down the company.

  6. Two powerhouses of liberal influence.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ... cannibalizing each other.

    No surprise - it's how things always end when pretense of care for people is used as a route to power.

    Why? Because power is the real end game, not people.

  7. And if Hillary had won, nobody would've cared by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The law went unenforced against tech companies until a local newspaper, The Stranger, published a story in December in the wake of the Russia allegations asking why.

    It's ironic because, in both of Obama's campaigns he claimed to get the majority of his fundraising from individual credit card donations and many people pointed out that nobody could track the source of the money wondering if that was in violation of campaign finance laws.

    Nobody bothered investigating that.

    OTOH, California and Washington refused to provide information to Trump's election investigation too because they felt they had a right to ignore laws they detest. Perhaps Facebook and Google should do the same and cite to the courts this same rationale.

    1. Re: And if Hillary had won, nobody would've cared by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      There's no such thing as all of you before the law. Never has been, probably never will be. The law is but a tool of the powerful for the oppression of the masses.

  8. I hope the city is ready for the legal bills by wfrazee2004 · · Score: 1

    For the big Giants of the internet the last thing they want is established precedent where a metro municipal code drives the practice of national or global content.

    Expect Facebook to fight back with amicus briefs from every major content provider weighing in on thier side.

    This would be a quixotic foray for Seattle, and a phyrric victory the best possible outcome.

    1. Re:I hope the city is ready for the legal bills by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      It's one of the things that companies tend to forget when it comes to the internet laws aren't the same everywhere. As an advertising company that targets local ads they should be aware of the laws in places that they target. When it comes to Seattle and the disclosure of advertising in their local elections this isn't global or national content we are talking about it's advertising that is targeting the Seattle residents of voting age in a local matter. Other businesses whether local or multinational still manage to follow local laws in the places they do business the internet shouldn't be any different.

      This makes doing business over the internet more difficult but I still see products on sites where they don't ship to certain states like california.

    2. Re:I hope the city is ready for the legal bills by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      For the big Giants of the internet the last thing they want is established precedent where a metro municipal code drives the practice of national or global content.

      Do YOU want national or global content controlled by a metro municipal code? Remember, lots of things are illegal someplace.

    3. Re:I hope the city is ready for the legal bills by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      This was for a MUNICIPAL election. One would assume that the groups buying ads would understand local laws.

      I understand my local laws. I also don't live in Seattle. Suppose I buy an ad in USA Today that makes a non-glaringly obvious reference to a Seattle election. I followed the laws of the municipalities I live in. What crime have I committed? USA Today doesn't know the ad refers to Seattle, are they liable?

      Many things are illegal someplace. Do you want national content controlled by municipal laws?

    4. Re: I hope the city is ready for the legal bills by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      FB sells geographically targeted advertising. It would not be unreasonable to bar them from selling ads that target Seattle. Essentially saying, do whatever you want in other cities, but you are not free to do business in our city.

      Now whether that is desirable public policy is a whole different question.

    5. Re: I hope the city is ready for the legal bills by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      FB sells geographically targeted advertising.

      Wouldn't it be nice if "the Internet" provided instantly available absolutely correct location information about every person who visits your website, at the granularity necessary to know which town they are in? (That's "street address level", in case you were wondering.) Would that be nice? You get content controlled by local municipalities AND location tracking in one package.

      I just love going to websites that want to access "your location data", which none of the browsers I use actually has to begin with. And then those websites guess where I am, with often comical results. (One recent example: a website I was accessing through an ISP in MA sent me to their HAWAII web pages. How droll.) You may be using an ISP that isn't even on the same side of the country that you are, so the user could be in the heart of Seattle but look like they're in New Jersey as far as Facebook can tell. I've seen satellite internet services show that users standing in downtown Seattle are someplace in Mexico, because that's where the downlink is.

      Even more likely, you're in Seattle but the cell tower your phone is connected to is just outside the city limits. Are you "in" or "out" of Seattle, and should FB show you the ad or not? How far away from Seattle should Seattle law extend?

      You can "geographically target" all you want, but if your data isn't good, then you're going to prison. The only safe option for web operators is to limit their content based on all municipal laws. Do YOU want that to be how the internet works?

    6. Re: I hope the city is ready for the legal bills by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      You're making this *way* harder than it needs to be. FB is an advertising company. They sell advertising products that are targeted to specific cities. A customer says to FB something along the lines of, "doodz, I wanna like sell shoes to people in like Seattle, hook me up!" And Facebook can reply, "Sorry sir, local laws in the city of Seattle prohibit us from selling advertisements targeted to that city. Maybe you would like to buy an ad for Portland instead?"

      No need for absolute certainty about a user's location. The issue is the product they are offering for sale, not the precision of IP-based geolocation.

    7. Re: I hope the city is ready for the legal bills by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      A customer says to FB something along the lines of, "doodz, I wanna like sell shoes to people in like Seattle, hook me up!" And Facebook can reply, "Sorry sir, local laws in the city of Seattle prohibit us from selling advertisements targeted to that city.

      And what does FB say when someone says they want to advertise their shoes nationwide? "Sorry, we can't accept your ad because Seattle doesn't allow shoe ads." Ok, can I advertise suspenders? "Nope, Kansas City has laws against suspender ads."

      You're looking at this like someone is always going to target their ads at a specific city. They aren't. In fact, if someone knows their ad is banned in that city and they want to get the message through anyway, they'll just not say it is targeted at that city. (I gave an example in another post already.) And FB isn't going to know that the user is in any specific city, so they can't stop users from seeing ads based on their location.

      It is harder than you think it is. That's why you think I'm making it harder than it has to be.

      No need for absolute certainty about a user's location.

      If you don't know where the user is, you don't know what ads you can and cannot show him based on local laws. If you have to refuse to accept ads because some city someplace has banned them, then indeed, national content is being controlled by municipal laws. Do YOU want that? I don't. Many things are illegal somewhere.

      Nazi. Oops, not only did I Godwin this discussion, I broke the laws of the German republic. Go figure.

    8. Re: I hope the city is ready for the legal bills by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      And what does FB say when someone says they want to advertise their shoes nationwide? "Sorry, we can't accept your ad because Seattle doesn't allow shoe ads." Ok, can I advertise suspenders? "Nope, Kansas City has laws against suspender ads."

      You're looking at this like someone is always going to target their ads at a specific city. They aren't. In fact, if someone knows their ad is banned in that city and they want to get the message through anyway, they'll just not say it is targeted at that city. (I gave an example in another post already.) And FB isn't going to know that the user is in any specific city, so they can't stop users from seeing ads based on their location.

      It is harder than you think it is. That's why you think I'm making it harder than it has to be.

      Let's roll back for a minute. The actual issue in Seattle now is disclosure about campaign advertisement spending. So we're both kind of barking up the wrong tree talking about banning ads.

      Anyways, this is a pretty narrow class of advertisements. I think from television there is quite a bit of existing law about how to tell what is and is not a campaign ad subject to the disclosure laws.

      Just because FB is a nationwide company headquartered out of state, should it be exempt from campaign finance disclosure laws? If someone buys a bunch of "Elect Ike Eisenhower for Major!" billboard ads from Clear Channel, should Clear Channel also be exempt from the local law because it is headquartered out of state?

      Extending already established campaign finance disclosure laws to online advertising is a narrower issue than allowing local laws to block what products may be sold or what content may be published. Its maximal failure mode is not that bad - tons and tons of campaign finance disclosure with potentially burdensome administrative overhead.

      One might argue a Federal-level uniform set of campaign finance disclosure laws for online advertising would be a better way to go. Certainly it would ease the administrative burden on big national companies. However on the issue of campaign transparency I suspect many local laws are going to be better and more in the public interest than any Federal law we might realistically expect.

    9. Re: I hope the city is ready for the legal bills by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      Just because FB is a nationwide company headquartered out of state, should it be exempt from campaign finance disclosure laws?

      Yes, absolutely! Anyone with no physical presence in a given jurisdiction ought to have zero obligation to follow that jurisdiction's rules. The location of the user of the service should be irrelevant. The local government can try regulating the users and intermediaries within their jurisdiction directly if they have a problem with people accessing an outside service. Of course, there will probably be a certain amount of political fallout should the Seattle government attempt to ban access to Facebook within the city's borders...

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  9. Re:The city is short on money... by greenwow · · Score: 1

    Just paid without tax $13.75 for a 32 pack at Costco. That's 42.97 cents per can which is much less than your 47 cent challenge.

  10. 1st amendment, cunts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Block all internet in Seattle.

    1. Re:1st amendment, cunts by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      If you force most people to choose between Amazon & MS or Facebook, I'm not sure Seattle's the one that gets cut off.

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    2. Re:1st amendment, cunts by Grunschev · · Score: 1

      Well, we have laws about political campaign finance. They vary widely from state to state. I can't speak to Washington, but when I ran for office a couple years ago I had to take a half day class from the Secretary of State's office here in Colorado.

      For example, it's illegal for a foreigner to contribute to the political campaign of somebody running for office in Colorado. That contribution doesn't need to be in cash. It could be "in kind", which would include pretty much anything other than money. Like advertising. There are also limits on individual donations. Here in CO, a person can't contribute more than $400, and corporations aren't allowed to contribute.

      You invoking the First Amendment doesn't apply. What we want to find out is who is paying and how much they're paying. It's not about the content of the speech. So, we require reporting. Which means we want to know who spent the money and how much they spent.

      Of course, you might be somebody who doesn't care how our elections are funded. In which case you can drink some Chlorox. Have a nice day!

    3. Re:1st amendment, cunts by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      Of course it is about content. More precisely it is about protecting the incumbents from outside challengers. For example, that half day you spent in that class in order to run for office provides just the first barrier to entry. In order to understand that the point of campaign finance laws is to protect incumbents all you have to do is look at the rate at which incumbents win re-election...every time a new campaign finance law is passed, the chance that the incumbent will lose the election goes down. The "best" part about campaign finance laws is that those who do defeat an incumbent are now almost always deeply indebted to the political machine which supplied the money for them to even campaign.

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  11. Excellent by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Too bad it doesn't include jail time for senior execs

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    1. Re:Excellent by Altrag · · Score: 1

      Why would it? Major companies like FB run into issues like this all the time. Not even they have the resources it takes to ensure they're in compliance with every bylaw in every jurisdiction they service around the entire world. This is a big nothingburger that wouldn't even make the 17th page news if it was anyone other than Facebook involved. I mean its not like Russia gives a shit who the mayor of Seattle is in the same way they're interested in who POTUS is. Never mind the fact that there isn't (as far as I know) any allegations of anybody meddling in the Seattle city elections. Basically someone just found an old law that happens to have an extremely vague relation (little more than buzzword matching) to major national events and decided to make a name for themselves.

  12. Re: The city is short on money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Funny thing there was an episode of Sliders codemning Republicans for taxing sodas etc. Funny it turned out to be Democrats to do it instead.

  13. Natural Evolution of Applying laws to Internet by IcyWolfy · · Score: 2

    Because the Internet exists no-where, one can easily argue that it exists everywhere.

    And this is how countries start applying national laws to international companies who have an Internet Presence in their country.
    And that presence is the consumer viewing or interacting with the website primarily, a company office secondarily.

    So, with all the countries (rightfully) applying basic national laws to anyone providing a service to their residences leads to the next step:
    These companies have a presence in, and should be following all the laws for sub-national political entities.

    The US has started this by having internet companies follow broad laws at the state level. Which is usually fairly homogeneous.
    However, even smaller localities have a legitimate claim to apply their laws to services being offered to their residents, since the point of interaction is physically at the consumers terminal.

    The rhetoric from a decade ago "How can you follow all the laws for all the countries who can view your content?", turned out to be: You simply provide a different experience to each geographic region. And follow the laws required.

    This will get exponentially more difficult once all the localities start to realise that they need to apply their laws to all entities, or start doing the TV thing and black-out regions.

  14. Who is responsible? by PPH · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For disclosing the financing behind a political ad? If I buy TV time or space on a billboard for a political ad, it's up to me to place some identifying information within the ad. The media owners may have no idea who is behind the advertisement. Because more often than not, the space in the media is purchased through an ad agency or other intermediary.

    Now, if Seattle determines that some ad isn't within compliance of an election law, they can serve Facebook with a warrant to find out who pays for that account. But Facebook has no way of determining in advance to what use I am putting my pages. I might be using it to promote my favorite pizza place or microbrewery. It's not up to Facebook to track that in advance. They may not even have the expertise to evaluate ads for political content.

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    1. Re:Who is responsible? by tomhath · · Score: 2

      They don't need to know in advance. But if it's a political ad they need to reveal who paid for it.

      How to identify something as a political ad is an entirely different problem.

    2. Re:Who is responsible? by Grunschev · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you probably need to bone up on campaign finance law.

  15. Re:Consequence? by sabri · · Score: 2

    Facebook has physical offices within the city of Seattle

    Which can be closed in a day, if needed. City laws apply only within the city.

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  16. Re:FaceBook is worth BILLIONS, so.... by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1

    Facebook should just ban any advertising or news on their platform mentioning members of the city council positively.

    I mean, after all, as long as they are going to have to go through the trouble and expense of setting something up to figure out which advertising might be considered political and may affect city elections, they could just tack that policy on to make good use of it. Alternately, they could just move all offices and employees out of the State and then point to the Interstate Commerce Clause.

    Back in the non-seattle-normal-world, advertisers are sometimes required to include who paid for an ad in their ad, but they people they pay to show the advertisement aren't setup to become the arbiters of what is a political ad and what isn't and trace who paid for what. How are they supposed to know if someone's post in support of a politician on their Facebook page is paid advertising or free publicity, for example?

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  17. Re: Consequence? by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

    So you're saying the city should send out the pigs and toss some FB execs in the clink until the company pays up?

    C'mon, if we're going to have a police state - and we already do - we might as well put it to good use.

  18. Re:The city is short on money... by tbq · · Score: 1

    you'd be paying $3.15 per 12-pack, which isn't too hard to find if you're shopping sales on Coke/Pepsi products, or buying store brands

    It's not hard to find 12-packs on sale 3 for $10, or occasionally 4 for $11, but you'll never see those princes within the Seattle city limits with the sugar tax.