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AI Tailors Can Wait (bloomberg.com)
Bloomberg Businessweek: Original Stitch has all the trappings of an e-commerce success story. The pitch is simple: Original Stitch uses computer-vision software to review photos of your most beloved dress shirts uploaded to the company website, then delivers perfectly tailored copies. We tried it -- the only problem was that it didn't work. When the first shirt arrived too tight around the chest and too long in the sleeves, we figured an editor's sloppy photography was to blame, but the problems persisted with a second attempt. A third shirt, ordered under a different name to make sure we wouldn't get special treatment, could barely be buttoned up. The sleeves felt like tourniquets. "We tried to push the envelope," Original Stitch founder Jin Koh acknowledged after we confronted him with the results. "Obviously, it's still in beta." In December, three months after launching the service, Koh quietly pulled it down. He's returned to asking users to fill out a questionnaire with their own measurements while he works out the bugs.
Why test your product at all if customers can just do it for you?
1. Release product under name #1
2. Get a lot of test data from thousands of soon to be disgruntled customers
3. Close up shop
4. Release product under name #2
5. Profit
-- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
I say we name this AI, Denise.
Sure the AI has some flaws now, but it will eventually get better. Also, a lot of the problems are going to come from the quality of the picture. The lens usually distorts the image. I remember doing an AI project one and we had to account for the fish-eye effect of the lens. Also, our adjustments only worked for our camera and would have been broken for another camera.
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
Even if it worked, it isn't AI. Vision and voice recognition are not AI.
as a nerd tech jockey who's unusually interested in tailoring (from mass market MTM to fine personal bespoke commissions) I can tell you this will not play out well. At best they are going to be able to do slightly better than RTW but there's no way it's going to get any of the nuance that even a basic, but capable, MTM program will.
Even at entry level today, the nuance just in getting a good collar is so subjective I have a hard time betting on their success. And, there are variables that aren't easily (if at all) discernible from photography - the world of intercollar fusings for example. At the end of the day, I suspect they might marginally reduce the human
effort in MTM but that's about it; and yhey'll be inferior to a well run MTM house with more human input.
Last point - 94%+ of the western male market doesn't really care about fit anyway (Small! Medium! Large!) so maybe if they can get within 50% tolerance this will be good enough for them. The buyer's shoulders didn't fit the original shirt anyway...
Nice and tight isn't a problem, that fat bastard deserves it and worse.
Seems like a solution without a problem. What better way to get a shirt fitted, than by measuring at the source. Using a photo to measure rather than just measuring the actual object seems like an invitation to erroneous results - then when you do get it right, it is a lot of extra work for no gain.
Normal tailors, not stupid AI tailors. Let's say you had a large lipoma growing from your shoulder and needed a tailored shirt, would the tailor create a pouch fitted for your growth, or would they try fitting your shirt around it?
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AI change everything.
It's deja vu all over again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV2N4KSh3x4
"We tried to push the envelope, ... Obviously, it's still in beta."
This needs to be printed on a t-shirt. I would wear it everywhere.
~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
It sounds like it's the data-gathering mechanism that is insufficient to the task, not that "AI tailors" are to blame.
It's pretty flipping hard for anyone to take a picture (much less something sloppily done) and make a wearable, nicely-fitted garment from it. There's some pretty complex 3d geometry going on.
-Styopa
The obvious thing here is that they are trying to copy an existing thing, not by taking a picture of the wearer, but by taking a picture of the item. Take a look at all the chinese counterfeit websites (here's one: gamiss.com ) generally any website that is 85% off and looks like a generic shop with a label applied and uses the same photos you see on eBay are selling counterfeits (anything "new without tags" is counterfeit.) Now take a look at the reviews for these sites, you will see the same thing
"Ill fitting"
"looks like it was made in a sweatshop"
"what the fuck is this trash"
Especially with sites that deal with wedding, bridesmaid and prom dresses.
This "AI" is no better than the counterfeiters. The reason is that they're working from a photo. I bought one of these dresses from one of these sites after seeing it in the advertisements for like a month just for the hell of it. When I got it, the material used was basically garbage, and it was too short. I'd have to be 4' 6" for it to go to my knees.
I'm not sure who this Al Tailors is, but I'm not sure why you're singling him out. Sounds like everyone will have to wait.
The AI book that everyone should get is available for pre-order. "Artificial Intelligence For Dummies" by John Paul Mueller and Luca Massaron.
and tiny little arms that go beep-beep-beep. They skinny like I was when I was a little boy.
Creimertard. Mod down.
But that's because 'AI' (a misnomer if ever there was one), doesn't work. It never will, not as it's being touted, anyway. It's just software. Engineers have pretty much just devised a way to do the same things with a different algorithm, there's no magic trick, and certainly no magic. You will see this happen again and again. It isn't anymore or less useful than any other software, but that's all it is. It isn't 'intelligence'. It is a tool. Just like a hammer, it's not going to be useful for much just sitting there.
I will buy from an online tailor named Garek. That is all.
Just imagine if, instead of an AI tailor, you had to do with an AI surgeon...
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What could this mean? Besides the fact that you're fat, unwanted, obnoxious, unwelcome, unlikable, and no one misses you or your nauseating posts?
Is "most beloved dress shirts" something normal people actually have? Sounds absolutely ridiculous. Using computer vision to determine measurements would be great, but you don't need to clone an existing shirt. That's just silly. Are these even going to be cheaper if they're custom manufactured for each user?
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Put a Kiosk somewhere, with a standardized grid background so the AI has a frame of reference. I'd be willing to go do that once every couple months to keep my sizes up to date.
I use an online website that creates custom dress shirts for me. It's great. I entered my measurements, and make my order. They have someone (in New York) who cuts and sews the shirt to my dimensions. I don't get a L or XL shirt that sort of fits me, I get a shirt that actually fits me. Usually takes 3-4 weeks.
This is important when you are like me and have a thick neck and shorter-than-average arms. If I go to a men's store, I can get an "off the rack" dress shirt that either fits me in the neck but has really long sleeves, or fits me in the sleeves but I can't button the top button.
I used to get the shirt that fit me in the neck and had long sleeves, and had them tailor it. Not too expensive.
Guess what? It costs about the same to have the website custom-make a shirt for me, as it does to buy "off the rack" and have it tailored. And the custom shirt fits me perfectly.
(Not mentioning the online website I used, because I am posting AC and don't want to look like a shill.)
Just putting the extra horizontal buttonhole at the bottom brings most shirts up a notch. Bonus points for the buttonholes being stitched properly and the buttons not falling off after a couple of months. After that, there's fabric composition/weight/weave that make a big difference. Get all of that right in a shirt with a decent cut in the right size and it could easily become someone's most beloved dress shirt, unless it's in a garish color or hideous pattern like the majority of shirts sold in stores. I have one I picked up on clearance that checks off all the boxes but I doubt I'll be able to find another of them. Finding a decent shirt is next to impossible in the age of mass-produced crap, but I don't see this system fixing that.
Though it's more of a guideline it seems to work.
"Me, I, My"
If you start talking about yourself in the first or second sentence of a post. Stop and consider if other people are going to actually give a shit and be interested in what you're about to share.
For most people it improves their post quality greatly and as a side benefit it provides natural protection against doxxers. Of course that train passed ages ago for our dear Creimer.
Is "most beloved dress shirts" something normal people actually have? Sounds absolutely ridiculous. Using computer vision to determine measurements would be great, but you don't need to clone an existing shirt. That's just silly. Are these even going to be cheaper if they're custom manufactured for each user?
You'd be surprised (evidently), but there is a reason why fashion is both a huge industry and near-universal cultural obsession.
What is ridiculous is assuming that what is important about a dress shirt to the kind of person who has a "beloved" dress shirt could be replicated by "computer vision". Shirts are way too complicated to evaluate visually or even by some kind of 3D scan of the wearer. You really do need to clone shirt to replicate it effectively.
Of course, for most people you can get close enough with a few measurements. Mass market dress shirts are typically measured only by the collar and sleeve length, and this is considered a step up from a simple S-M-L-etc. sizing system. Some people are particular about the chest dimensions, shoulder dimensions, sleeve length, etc. Then there are people who are far enough outside of normal proportions that they can't be accommodated by any of these systems.
FWIW, I make my own shirts.
It looks too small on you, although yeah 5XL would be too much.
"I put in my height, weight and body shape."
Yeah, we're just supposed to trust you that you didn't lie? Was there "pumpkin full of shit on two chopsticks" as body shape?
So instead of taking actual measurements, that require only maybe 5 minutes of effort, your try to do a shirt off of a photograph only? How is that a good idea, or even reasonably chanced at success? People come in all different shapes and sizes, and I fully expect to have 100% high quality custom tailored clothing within the next 10 years courtesy of robotics and AI, why make it harder and less likely to succeed than it has to be? Nail down quick and efficient custom shirt AI fabrication and have kiosks at the local mall take either automated (or even hand done) measurements like every other tailor since the dawn of civilization... Get a good fit, save their measurements in a database so you can make them more shirts later if they want and then profit...
Some people's lack of basic common sense is astounding.
If you disagree, please post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like
AIs will just have to buy off-the-rack like everyone else
No "think football player" option.